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From what I have managed to browse through, I like! I am reading vegan

posts, vegetarian posts and posts of those who still consume fish. Some

wear leather..some do not..some are debating..

what I find refreshing is the attitude of " we are all ok " and moving

at different speeds to where " we " want to be and none have come across

as " holier than thou " so to speak.

This I like!!

At this point in my husband's and my journey, we have managed to give

up the dairy. Today I have made some more Soymilk using the blender and

pot method. Not too difficult at all. Eggs will be next. I think the

most difficult in the purest vegan since is giving up honey. Have to

think about that one.

Thanks for all the interesting posts and now I think I will relax and

browse some more.

Ps..Love the pics.

D'vorah

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On 1/12/06, Dvorah L. Dollar <dollar_queenbee wrote:

> From what I have managed to browse through, I like! I am reading vegan

> posts, vegetarian posts and posts of those who still consume fish.

 

Yes, and I want to thank those who sent me lots of good recipes and

" food for thought " , so to speak--no pun intended. ;-)

 

 

> At this point in my husband's and my journey, we have managed to give

> up the dairy.

 

I had no choice in my case, sadly--but it is still hard. I go out,

and see delicious chocolate desserts that I can no longer eat. :(

But my body is happier, and I've discovered Nana's double chocolate

chip cookies, no egg, no dairy.

 

>Eggs will be next.

 

Any tips on avoiding them and dairy are appreciated. I eat out with

my coworkers every Fri, and most are carnivores, and the vegetarians

all eat eggs and dairy.

 

I think the

> most difficult in the purest vegan since is giving up honey.

 

I most likely never will, and will stick to eating organic like I do

with everything else. But the rest I can see doing.

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I guess eating kosher, not mixing meat and dairy, and being the only

veggies in the family has given us practice, but yes, I agree. It is

difficult outside of the home to find places to eat. Here in

Arkansas, I think we are a wee bit behind. I do enjoy and appreciate

Wild oats! We also avoid yeast and fermented grain ingredients. We

have seen an improvement with my BH epilepsy and his diabetes II is

now none existant.

 

Offered to anyone who wonders some times...Just a note....This is a

testimony for veganism..didn't think it matter that much at

times..while doing chemo, I was given steroids for nausea which made

me gain 3-7 lbs a week!! Nothing I did helped. Exercise, no exercise,

no fat, fat, no sugar, sugar. Then I begin to delete animal products.

Guess what? I lost instead of gained. Apparently the animal product

ingredients and the steroids combo caused the problem. My doc has

said it will take about 6 months to get back to normal, but each day

brings me to a better feeling.

 

 

 

D'vorah

 

 

, Kyrene Ariadne <kyrene@g...>

wrote:

>

> I had no choice in my case, sadly--but it is still hard. I go out,

> and see delicious chocolate desserts that I can no longer eat. :(

> But my body is happier, and I've discovered Nana's double chocolate

> chip cookies, no egg, no dairy.

>

> >Eggs will be next.

>

> Any tips on avoiding them and dairy are appreciated. I eat out with

> my coworkers every Fri, and most are carnivores, and the vegetarians

> all eat eggs and dairy.

>

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On 1/12/06, Dvorah L. Dollar <dollar_queenbee wrote:

> We

> have seen an improvement with my BH epilepsy and his diabetes II is

> now none existant.

 

How I'd love to convince my friend of this. He keeps wondering why

his diebetes is still hard to control and why he can't lose any

weight--he does the low carb thing and eats WAY too much animal

protein, IMHO. But I doubt he'll listen to me.

 

> Offered to anyone who wonders some times...Just a note....This is a

> testimony for veganism..didn't think it matter that much at

> times..while doing chemo, I was given steroids for nausea which made

> me gain 3-7 lbs a week!! Nothing I did helped. Exercise, no exercise,

> no fat, fat, no sugar, sugar. Then I begin to delete animal products.

> Guess what? I lost instead of gained. Apparently the animal product

> ingredients and the steroids combo caused the problem. My doc has

> said it will take about 6 months to get back to normal, but each day

> brings me to a better feeling.

 

I am not in the least bit shocked. Animal protein is fattening, and I

think that IMHO, too large portions and fast food are what contribute

to America's waistline.

 

I've been on this diet for not even a month, and I've lost about 3

pounds or so. I can't lose more than 7 additional pounds or I'll be

coming to everyone here and asking " So, how do I gain weight? " lol

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We began to exclude red/white meats and just include fish, dairy and

eggs. There was some improvement. Next he and I moved toward yeast

free. That is when we found out that the IBS was not caused by his

meds, but the fact he is allergic to yeast! With vegan ( some raw) I

do not see any thing heading our way but VERY GOOD.

Our move toward this direction wasn't even for health reasons. We

never expected to see the amazing results. At least not to this

extent.

 

Everyone has to be convinced in their own hearts with the knowledge

they have.

 

D'vorah

 

 

, Kyrene Ariadne <kyrene@g...> wrote:

>

> On 1/12/06, Dvorah L. Dollar <dollar_queenbee@s...> wrote:

> > We

> > have seen an improvement with my BH epilepsy and his diabetes II

is

> > now none existant.

>

> How I'd love to convince my friend of this. He keeps wondering why

> his diebetes is still hard to control and why he can't lose any

> weight--he does the low carb thing and eats WAY too much animal

> protein, IMHO. But I doubt he'll listen to me.

>

> > Offered to anyone who wonders some times...Just a note....This

is a

> > testimony for veganism..didn't think it matter that much at

> > times..while doing chemo, I was given steroids for nausea which

made

> > me gain 3-7 lbs a week!! Nothing I did helped. Exercise, no

exercise,

> > no fat, fat, no sugar, sugar. Then I begin to delete animal

products.

> > Guess what? I lost instead of gained. Apparently the animal

product

> > ingredients and the steroids combo caused the problem. My doc has

> > said it will take about 6 months to get back to normal, but each

day

> > brings me to a better feeling.

>

> I am not in the least bit shocked. Animal protein is fattening,

and I

> think that IMHO, too large portions and fast food are what

contribute

> to America's waistline.

>

> I've been on this diet for not even a month, and I've lost about 3

> pounds or so. I can't lose more than 7 additional pounds or I'll be

> coming to everyone here and asking " So, how do I gain weight? " lol

>

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I also have IBS, and it was *GREATLY* improved when I removed dairy,

which turned out to be the main culprit. Sadly, meat products affect

me similarly and poultry is iffy.

 

I had a reaction yesterday, and am attempting to pinpoint it. I

suspect that Starbucks didn't change the containers or something when

they made my soy mocha. I'll have to be more careful next time.

 

On 1/12/06, dollar_queenbee <dollar_queenbee wrote:

> We began to exclude red/white meats and just include fish, dairy and

> eggs. There was some improvement. Next he and I moved toward yeast

> free. That is when we found out that the IBS was not caused by his

> meds, but the fact he is allergic to yeast! With vegan ( some raw) I

> do not see any thing heading our way but VERY GOOD.

> Our move toward this direction wasn't even for health reasons. We

> never expected to see the amazing results. At least not to this

> extent.

>

> Everyone has to be convinced in their own hearts with the knowledge

> they have.

 

 

 

 

 

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I think some of these eating/drinking places are going to have to be

more careful. Containers can be marked and separated. It is not that

difficult once you get into the habit of doing. It becomes second

nature.

Awareness....look how long it took for certain ingredients and grams

of whatever to be added to packages.

D'vorah

 

 

, Kyrene Ariadne

<kyrene@g...> wrote:

>

> I also have IBS, and it was *GREATLY* improved when I removed dairy,

> which turned out to be the main culprit. Sadly, meat products

affect

> me similarly and poultry is iffy.

>

> I had a reaction yesterday, and am attempting to pinpoint it. I

> suspect that Starbucks didn't change the containers or something

when

> they made my soy mocha. I'll have to be more careful next time.

>

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D'vorah,

 

I too have Type II diabetes. I have been on insulin and another oral med

since nearly two years ago, and insulin almost from the beginning. As a

result of going vegetarian and then vegan (and now going back and forth

between the two), I have lost two sizes...am still losing...<VBG>...and my

blood sugars are for the first time EVER, going to normal levels. AND I have

to take less and less insulin (rejoicing over THAT, because I HATE injecting

myself...it hurts...and the less insulin that's in that syringe, the quicker

the injection is over!). My husband does not get insurance on his new job

until March, but we are really seeing a difference in my health (as well as

his; apparently veg of both types greatly helps stabilize ADHD, which he

has) and hope to present extremely improved results to the new doctor when

that time arrives.

 

I also have always had problems with respiratory infections and wheezing

breathing. These have virtually disappeared.

 

I just love helping myself, helping animals, helping the planet all in one

fell swoop. <G>

 

Glad to hear about your health success stories!

 

Bron

 

 

On 1/12/06, dollar_queenbee <dollar_queenbee

wrote:

>

> We began to exclude red/white meats and just include fish, dairy and

> eggs. There was some improvement. Next he and I moved toward yeast

> free. That is when we found out that the IBS was not caused by his

> meds, but the fact he is allergic to yeast! With vegan ( some raw) I

> do not see any thing heading our way but VERY GOOD.

> Our move toward this direction wasn't even for health reasons. We

> never expected to see the amazing results. At least not to this

> extent.

>

> Everyone has to be convinced in their own hearts with the knowledge

> they have.

>

> D'vorah

>

>

> , Kyrene Ariadne <kyrene@g...> wrote:

> >

> > On 1/12/06, Dvorah L. Dollar <dollar_queenbee@s...> wrote:

> > > We

> > > have seen an improvement with my BH epilepsy and his diabetes II

> is

> > > now none existant.

> >

> > How I'd love to convince my friend of this. He keeps wondering why

> > his diebetes is still hard to control and why he can't lose any

> > weight--he does the low carb thing and eats WAY too much animal

> > protein, IMHO. But I doubt he'll listen to me.

> >

> > > Offered to anyone who wonders some times...Just a note....This

> is a

> > > testimony for veganism..didn't think it matter that much at

> > > times..while doing chemo, I was given steroids for nausea which

> made

> > > me gain 3-7 lbs a week!! Nothing I did helped. Exercise, no

> exercise,

> > > no fat, fat, no sugar, sugar. Then I begin to delete animal

> products.

> > > Guess what? I lost instead of gained. Apparently the animal

> product

> > > ingredients and the steroids combo caused the problem. My doc has

> > > said it will take about 6 months to get back to normal, but each

> day

> > > brings me to a better feeling.

> >

> > I am not in the least bit shocked. Animal protein is fattening,

> and I

> > think that IMHO, too large portions and fast food are what

> contribute

> > to America's waistline.

> >

> > I've been on this diet for not even a month, and I've lost about 3

> > pounds or so. I can't lose more than 7 additional pounds or I'll be

> > coming to everyone here and asking " So, how do I gain weight? " lol

> >

 

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Hi D'vorah:

 

That is wonderful that eating vegetarian and vegan has helped.

 

Also great to hear that each day you feel better.

 

Gayle

 

 

Dvorah L. Dollar <dollar_queenbee

 

Fri, 13 Jan 2006 02:00:31 -0000

Re: Refreshing....for a newby to the group...

 

 

I guess eating kosher, not mixing meat and dairy, and being the only

veggies in the family has given us practice, but yes, I agree. It is

difficult outside of the home to find places to eat. Here in

Arkansas, I think we are a wee bit behind. I do enjoy and appreciate

Wild oats! We also avoid yeast and fermented grain ingredients. We

have seen an improvement with my BH epilepsy and his diabetes II is

now none existant.

 

Offered to anyone who wonders some times...Just a note....This is a

testimony for veganism..didn't think it matter that much at

times..while doing chemo, I was given steroids for nausea which made

me gain 3-7 lbs a week!! Nothing I did helped. Exercise, no exercise,

no fat, fat, no sugar, sugar. Then I begin to delete animal products.

Guess what? I lost instead of gained. Apparently the animal product

ingredients and the steroids combo caused the problem. My doc has

said it will take about 6 months to get back to normal, but each day

brings me to a better feeling.

 

 

 

D'vorah

 

 

, Kyrene Ariadne <kyrene@g...>

wrote:

>

> I had no choice in my case, sadly--but it is still hard. I go out,

> and see delicious chocolate desserts that I can no longer eat. :(

> But my body is happier, and I've discovered Nana's double chocolate

> chip cookies, no egg, no dairy.

>

> >Eggs will be next.

>

> Any tips on avoiding them and dairy are appreciated. I eat out with

> my coworkers every Fri, and most are carnivores, and the vegetarians

> all eat eggs and dairy.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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