*sigh* Advice?

[Guest guest]

Are you vegatarian for ethical reasons or for health reasons? Health reasons

don't seem to have a lot of impact on children since they aren't too worried

about their long term health yet. If it is for ethical reasons, you could

have a talk with him about the reason that you are vegetarian & ask how he feels

about this. If he doesn't agree with your ethics, I guess that you are going

to just let him eat how he wants outside of the home. You can tell him that,

in your house, he needs to respect your moral values, but that when he is

elsewhere, he can decide for himself what he feels is right re this issue.

 

My kids haven't reached the age yet where they are questioning vegetarianism,

but I'm sure that they will. I know that I would have a hard time with it if

my kids were eating meat, but hope that I would be able to let them make

their own decisions as much as it would kill me. You're right that insisting

that

he not ever eat meat could push him away.

 

Good luck - hard topic!

 

Christa

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Mia,

How old is your son?

~~~Mitzi,

Domestic Goddess

[Guest guest]

Mia,

 

My husband and I have decided that David will be allowed to make that

decision when he's around the age of 5. By then he'll be able to fully

understand what comes from animals and so forth. Also, he will not have

had meat up to that point. If he wants to eat meat at restaurants or at

school, that's going to be his choice.

 

I feel that all I can do is start him off on the right track by helping

him develop healthy eating habits. Right now, he's a 13 month old that

eats brussel sprouts and all other kinds of veggies. He loves them! He

isn't given sweets or other foods that lack nutritional value.

 

When he's older, I still won't cook meat at the house, but he'll be free

to decide for himself when he has the opportunity to eat meat.

 

Here's where I'm coming from...

 

My family was a " meat and potatoes " kind of family when I was a child.

I WAS forced to be a meat-eater! I didn't want beef and chicken all

the time, but they felt I HAD to eat meat with dinner each night. I

wasn't allowed to make that choice. I don't want to do that to my son.

As long as he continues to eat lots of fruits and vegetables, he can

eat meat if he chooses. He may end up sticking with vegetarianism. Who

knows?

 

Jan

 

Chris & Mia wrote:

 

> My son has started eating meat at school and I'm not sure how to

> handle this. It started with turkey, which I didn't really LOVE the

> idea of ... but I didn't want to make a huge deal out of it until I

> had thought the situation through.

>

> And then he started eating hot dogs. He loves them. He knows not to

> ask for them at home, but he talks about eating them at school and

> how yummy they taste.

>

> I don't want to forbid him from eating anything, because ultimately I

> feel it is his choice. But I don't want to encourage him to eat meat

> by NOT saying anything either KWIM? How do you handle this?? I

> prefer he doesn't eat meat, and I want him to know WHY I prefer

> that ... but I don't want to scare him or coerce him into eating MY

> way. If that makes any sense.

>

> I bought some veggie dogs but he hated them. I'm going to try

> another brand and hope they taste better. But short of that, do you

> have any advice or experiences I can draw upon? Is the best course

> of action to let him eat as he pleases at school, but maintain a meat-

> free home?? Or ... do I insist on making him a lunch from home every

> day??

>

> I guess I'm most worried that anything I do will push him farther

> into meat-eating ... whether I ignore he is doing it and that

> encourages him to venture into eating MORE meat, or I make a huge

> stink out of it and he becomes a closet meat-eater. This was never

> an issue in my house growing up, I'm completely lost here.

>

> Mia

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> " Chris & Mia " <thepenichs

> *sigh* Advice?

>

> My son has started eating meat at school and I'm not sure how to

> handle this. It started with turkey, which I didn't really LOVE the

> idea of ... but I didn't want to make a huge deal out of it until I

> had thought the situation through.

>

> And then he started eating hot dogs. He loves them. He knows not to

> ask for them at home, but he talks about eating them at school and

> how yummy they taste.

>

> I don't want to forbid him from eating anything, because ultimately I

> feel it is his choice. But I don't want to encourage him to eat meat

> by NOT saying anything either KWIM? How do you handle this?? I

> prefer he doesn't eat meat, and I want him to know WHY I prefer

> that ... but I don't want to scare him or coerce him into eating MY

> way. If that makes any sense.

 

Mia, how old is your son? Have you ever told him why you don't eat meat?

That is, is he making an informed choice?

You can certainly tell him that it upsets you that he chooses to eat meat,

but reinforce that it is his choice, as long as he understands what happens

when he chooses meat. You can tell him very specifically why *you* don't

eat meat. You don't have to necessarily go into more detail than he needs

or is old enough to handle, but you can still tell him what the costs are.

He won't be scared, unless you make it scary.

Maybe it'd be easier for him if he knew other vegetarians, or he had some

books to support a veg*n diet. It sounds like he's just trying to fit in

with the crowd. That's another topic you can address, how none of us look

alike, or dress alike, or think alike, and we don't have to eat alike to be

friends.

You can start by asking him why he decided to try the meat, and ask him if

it would be easier for him if you made his lunch, or work together to come

up with a solution that will hopefully be vegetarian!

Good luck,

Doh

[Guest guest]

Wow, that's a difficult situation. You never said how old your son

is but I feel that if he's going to make a decision like that it

should be as informed as it can be. So I recommend giving him the

facts about why meat is unhealthy and why you're giving him the

information.

Best of luck to you.

Stephanie

 

 

, " Chris & Mia " <thepenichs>

wrote:

> My son has started eating meat at school and I'm not sure how to

> handle this. It started with turkey, which I didn't really LOVE

the

> idea of ... but I didn't want to make a huge deal out of it until

I

> had thought the situation through.

>

> And then he started eating hot dogs. He loves them. He knows not

to

> ask for them at home, but he talks about eating them at school and

> how yummy they taste.

>

> I don't want to forbid him from eating anything, because

ultimately I

> feel it is his choice. But I don't want to encourage him to eat

meat

> by NOT saying anything either KWIM? How do you handle this?? I

> prefer he doesn't eat meat, and I want him to know WHY I prefer

> that ... but I don't want to scare him or coerce him into eating

MY

> way. If that makes any sense.

>

> I bought some veggie dogs but he hated them. I'm going to try

> another brand and hope they taste better. But short of that, do

you

> have any advice or experiences I can draw upon? Is the best

course

> of action to let him eat as he pleases at school, but maintain a

meat-

> free home?? Or ... do I insist on making him a lunch from home

every

> day??

>

> I guess I'm most worried that anything I do will push him farther

> into meat-eating ... whether I ignore he is doing it and that

> encourages him to venture into eating MORE meat, or I make a huge

> stink out of it and he becomes a closet meat-eater. This was

never

> an issue in my house growing up, I'm completely lost here.

>

> Mia

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/24/03 1:01:55 PM, thepenichs writes:

 

<< But I don't want to encourage him to eat meat

 

by NOT saying anything either KWIM? How do you handle this?? >>

 

Would you stand idly by and just *sigh* if you saw your son beating a cat or

a baby. You seem to be a higher conscience being, so take action. You should

forbid him from abusing animals (and his body). You know better.

 

At the start of my daughter's school year until 4th grade (she is in 8th

grade now), each year, I give all her teachers a list of foods she can and

CANNOT

eat. I clearly state the implications of her eating animal food, including

sickness and cramps.

[Guest guest]

My family was a " meat and potatoes " kind of family when I was a child.

I WAS forced to be a meat-eater! ****

 

I had the same experience where my family growing up was not vegi & forced me

to eat meat. They would make me sit at the table for hours crying b/c I

wouldn't eat what was put in front of me (meat). They finally gave up when I

was

13 & told me to just cook for myself. I went o/l vegetarian at 13 & vegan at

16. I, too, don't want to reenact that battle with my girls. The oldest one

is 4 1/2 now & we have told her that she can eat meat if she wants, but I have

explained to her why mommy is vegan & , if anything, she is leaning more

toward veganism than o/l vegi at the moment. When we are out of the house, she

eats a lot more cheese & cookies with eggs, etc. b/c it is harder for a child

who

is a bit picky to be vegan at restaurants & school, but she has never chosen

to eat meat...yet!

 

Christa

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I'm Asian and we never really ate meat growing up ... maybe a few

times a month ... so I prefer we keep meat out of our diet largely

for cultural and health reasons. My family eats fish, I don't.

 

I want to explain the ethical aspect of it to him at some point, but

I wasn't sure he could handle that yet? We've covered the 'that is

dead ___ " but not much beyond that. What age do you start

introducing that?

 

Thanks for your kind email, Christa! I know I'm just going to have

to let him do his own thing and hope it is just a phase <sigh>.

 

Mia

 

, ChristaNovelli@a... wrote:

> Are you vegatarian for ethical reasons or for health reasons?

Health reasons

> don't seem to have a lot of impact on children since they aren't

too worried

> about their long term health yet. If it is for ethical reasons,

you could

> have a talk with him about the reason that you are vegetarian & ask

how he feels

> about this. If he doesn't agree with your ethics, I guess that you

are going

> to just let him eat how he wants outside of the home. You can tell

him that,

> in your house, he needs to respect your moral values, but that when

he is

> elsewhere, he can decide for himself what he feels is right re this

issue.

>

> My kids haven't reached the age yet where they are questioning

vegetarianism,

> but I'm sure that they will. I know that I would have a hard time

with it if

> my kids were eating meat, but hope that I would be able to let them

make

> their own decisions as much as it would kill me. You're right that

insisting that

> he not ever eat meat could push him away.

>

> Good luck - hard topic!

>

> Christa

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mitzi .. he is three. His 'school' is a Montessori program that

runs three hours a day, three days a week. I originally had him in

there because my husband was deployed and I needed him somewhere a

few days each week ... but my husband is coming home this fall. I'm

not sure if I should take him out of the school because of this ...

he loves it, but I won't need it when my husband is back. I don't

know if taking him out will just postpone this inevitable situation,

or if it will buy me more time to get him accustomed to MY preferred

eating habits before he is confronted with foods I don't like.

 

Mia

 

, " Dan & Mits " <vegibrgr@e...> wrote:

> Hi Mia,

> How old is your son?

> ~~~Mitzi,

> Domestic Goddess

[Guest guest]

Jan that sounds like a great and well-thought plan. So around five

you'll have covered the 'ethical' reasons and leave the choice to

him? How do you plan to introduce those? LOL, you probably haven't

any idea since it is a ways off .. but if you DO have an idea, I

would love to hear it!

 

So you'll let him eat meat anytime he chooses, but you won't prepare

it for him at home, right?

 

Sounds like your little guy is on his way LOL, not many young kids

are even OFFERED brussel sprouts to know if they love them or not!

 

Mia

 

 

, Jan <mommy76@b...> wrote:

> Mia,

>

> My husband and I have decided that David will be allowed to make

that

> decision when he's around the age of 5. By then he'll be able to

fully

> understand what comes from animals and so forth. Also, he will not

have

> had meat up to that point. If he wants to eat meat at restaurants

or at

> school, that's going to be his choice.

>

> I feel that all I can do is start him off on the right track by

helping

> him develop healthy eating habits. Right now, he's a 13 month old

that

> eats brussel sprouts and all other kinds of veggies. He loves

them! He

> isn't given sweets or other foods that lack nutritional value.

>

> When he's older, I still won't cook meat at the house, but he'll be

free

> to decide for himself when he has the opportunity to eat meat.

>

> Here's where I'm coming from...

>

> My family was a " meat and potatoes " kind of family when I was a

child.

> I WAS forced to be a meat-eater! I didn't want beef and chicken

all

> the time, but they felt I HAD to eat meat with dinner each night.

I

> wasn't allowed to make that choice. I don't want to do that to my

son.

> As long as he continues to eat lots of fruits and vegetables, he

can

> eat meat if he chooses. He may end up sticking with

vegetarianism. Who

> knows?

>

> Jan

[Guest guest]

YOu know, it never crossed my mind to sit down and explain it to

him. I've touched up on what it is, but not why I don't eat it.

<banging head on desk> sounds so simple LOL.

 

I like your idea about fitting in ... there are other things that

distinguish him from people and he is just started to identify those

things (I'm Asian, he is white for example). I need to address that

also ... because I *do* think a lot of it is just going along with

the crowd. I've since spoken with his teachers about it -- I'm going

to pack him a lunch from home on meat days and let them give him the

choice of which meal he eats. I've stressed that I prefer he eats

mine LOL, but .. you know how it goes, the whole " He needs his

protein " thing.

 

I think I will definitely use your suggestions. I did ask him why

one time and he answered, " Because it was on my plate " . Which is

another struggle LOL since that is how we eat at home (no short order

cooking, we eat what we are served).

 

mia

 

, Doh! <dohdriver> wrote:

> Mia, how old is your son? Have you ever told him why you don't eat

meat?

> That is, is he making an informed choice?

> You can certainly tell him that it upsets you that he chooses to

eat meat,

> but reinforce that it is his choice, as long as he understands what

happens

> when he chooses meat. You can tell him very specifically why *you*

don't

> eat meat. You don't have to necessarily go into more detail than

he needs

> or is old enough to handle, but you can still tell him what the

costs are.

> He won't be scared, unless you make it scary.

> Maybe it'd be easier for him if he knew other vegetarians, or he

had some

> books to support a veg*n diet. It sounds like he's just trying to

fit in

> with the crowd. That's another topic you can address, how none of

us look

> alike, or dress alike, or think alike, and we don't have to eat

alike to be

> friends.

> You can start by asking him why he decided to try the meat, and ask

him if

> it would be easier for him if you made his lunch, or work together

to come

> up with a solution that will hopefully be vegetarian!

> Good luck,

> Doh

[Guest guest]

As a practicing Buddhist I am very aware of animals and the role they

play in our world and beyond, so I see your point. I do realize that

there are certainly ethical implications to eating the meat they

serve at his school ... but more I'm looking at the larger picture?

 

I don't want to forbid anything -- do I want him using drugs? No.

But what good would it do to forbid drugs (or meat)? It would make

him more likely to sneak it behind my back anyway. All I can do is

say that I won't allow that in my home, and be prepared to stand

behind that. I'm not sure how to forbid him from eating something

short of spending every waking minute with him KWIM? How do you

forbid a child w/o doing that?

 

I won't parent by force, no matter how much I may disagree with his

choice. But I really like your idea of giving the school a list of

acceptable/unacceptable foods. Because my son only eats meat at

school, the physical affects are obvious. Did your daughter ever

express an interest in animal foods in school?

 

Mia

 

, AtlantaGaia@a... wrote:

 

> Would you stand idly by and just *sigh* if you saw your son beating

a cat or

> a baby. You seem to be a higher conscience being, so take action.

You should

> forbid him from abusing animals (and his body). You know better.

>

> At the start of my daughter's school year until 4th grade (she is

in 8th

> grade now), each year, I give all her teachers a list of foods she

can and CANNOT

> eat. I clearly state the implications of her eating animal food,

including

> sickness and cramps.

[Guest guest]

Our children are ages 3 and 1, so we haven't had to

face the situation yet. Is there an animal sanctuary

in your area where your son could meet animals (meet

your meat, like the PETA video says) as individuals

with lives and unique personalities? We have a couple

of them around here, and we plan to visit them often

so our kids understand exactly where meat comes from.

[Guest guest]

This sounds like good advise. My daughter is almost 15 months and for now we

can control what she eats. Although my husband is not vegetarian, he is ok

with the choice for now, but when she can verbalize and understand and ask

for what she wants, she too will be allowed to choose, although that will be

hard for me, it is what we feel is right for her. Not fair for her not to

be allowed meat when Daddy eats it. Hopefully she will choose veggy, but

only the stars above know what will occur!

Karyn

Previous Post:

 

My husband and I have decided that David will be allowed to make that

decision when he's around the age of 5. By then he'll be able to fully

understand what comes from animals and so forth.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

*********I want to explain the ethical aspect of it to him at some point, but

 

I wasn't sure he could handle that yet?  We've covered the 'that is

dead ___ " but not much beyond that.  What age do you start

introducing that? 

 

I guess that I had it easy to an extent b/c my husband was working out of

state for the first 2 1/2 yrs of my kids' lives & they were only exposed to my

vegan diet. Angelina, my older one, saw a picture of a steak at about age 2 &

asked me what it was. I told her that it was a steak & it was made from the

body of a dead cow. That sounded pretty disgusting to her apparently b/c she

has had no interest in eating meat yet - she will be 5 in August.

 

Since my husband has been living with us for the past 2+ yrs, & is not

vegetarian, the kids are getting exposed to more meat & I guess that I have been

explaining more why I don't eat meat. They are still pretty young, so I have

mostly just told them that mommy doesn't think that it is right to kill animals

so that we can eat their bodies. I have also stressed that animals have

feelings, too, just like we do. We have lots of pets that the kids love, so

that

seems to work well. I do think that I have said something to me older one, just

to get her thinking, about ' why would it be okay to kill a cow to eat it and

not okay to kill Rudy (one of our dogs) to eat him?'

 

We also have a farm animal sanctuary near us & I have taken the girls there

to see farm animals so that they are not so removed from the concept of cow

being the same as hamburger. You said that your son was 3ish, right? Angelina

has a really cute book called " Victor the Vegetarian: saving the baby lambs " .

It doesn't hit you over the head with animal rights, but tells the story of a

little boy who lives on a farm & bonds with some baby lambs, then his dad

wants to make lamb chops out of them. The little boy rethinks eating meat b/c

of

his love for the lambs & talks his parents into not killing them & , at least

Victor becomes a vegetarian. It is available at Amazon.com

 

Good luck!

 

Christa

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi, I have to jump in on this again... my 5 year old is going to a private

kindergarten, and they have been *fantastic* being careful of what she eats

and doesn't eat... so I thought! They understood that she didn't eat " dairy "

or " sugar " , but when those *exact words* were not on the ingredient list, a

new teacher thought that it was ok for her to eat! Oh, yeah, " milk solids "

and " high fructose corn syrup " -- that's so confusing... yikes, I thought

everyone knew that!! So, I updated the list that I had given them. I also

noticed that they have other dietary restrictions, for kids with allergies,

posted on the kitchen wall, and while I had made mine a nice letter, these

were written in big, bold colors, to get attention... so I made mine a

little bigger and bolder. I had to ask them specifically to look at

ingredients; one of the other teachers handed out crackers at snack time,

and told me later, " who would have thought that crackers would have those

ingredients in them! I didn't even think to look! " He also said that he

thought it wasn't strictly necessary since he's seen her eating pizza -- I

had to explain that it was home-made, with soy cheese (yes, I talked to the

director about him!). This is the list I gave them.

 

We follow a vegetarian, whole-foods diet:

 

 

 

No meat (no chicken and fish either!)

 

No broth made from meats (this includes chicken, beef or fish broth)

 

No gelatin

 

No sugar (includes white sugar, brown sugar, corn syrup -- basically any

ingredient ending with –ose, e.g., sucrose)

 

No sugar substitutes except evaporated cane juice or maple syrup

 

No soda

 

We also limit egg and dairy intake, and Devon has soy or rice milk instead

of milk, soy cheese instead of dairy cheese, soy mayonnaise instead of

mayonnaise, etc. Dairy includes: yogurt, cheese, and milk.

 

Karen L. Thurston

www.ThePrismSolutions.com

Voice/FAX: 603 465-2867

Cell Phone: 603 571-2863

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Mia,

knowing that your son is 3 throws things into a different light for

me. His eating meat sounded like an act of teenage rebellion. Now

the blanks are getting filled in and I know that he initially ate

the meat because it was served to him which is undersatandable since

he's still a young child. I have a 4 yo daughter and she has a

strong grasp of what meat is and why we don't eat it. However, she

still needs clarity and will occasionally ask whether a certain food

is meat or not.

 

More than ever I believe your needs all the facts. Another member

suggested taking him to a petting farm which is a super jumping off

point. Certainly I wouldn't want him to feel guilt or remorse for

eating meat but it really sounds like he doesn't realize that meat

is muscle etc. Children his age are very matter-of-fact and can

handle the facts better than a lot of adults I know.

Good luck,

Stephanie

 

, " Chris & Mia " <thepenichs>

wrote:

> Hi Mitzi .. he is three. His 'school' is a Montessori program

that

> runs three hours a day, three days a week. I originally had him

in

> there because my husband was deployed and I needed him somewhere a

> few days each week ... but my husband is coming home this fall.

I'm

> not sure if I should take him out of the school because of

this ...

> he loves it, but I won't need it when my husband is back. I don't

> know if taking him out will just postpone this inevitable

situation,

> or if it will buy me more time to get him accustomed to MY

preferred

> eating habits before he is confronted with foods I don't like.

>

> Mia

>

[Guest guest]

Good luck! This sounds like a horrible problem. My child is still young and

for the most part he hasn't even looked at meat. As for school we plan to

homeschool so that will hopefully cut out a lot of peer based pressure. At

the very least, for God's sake maintain your meat free home. I can't offer

much advice except on the point of veggie dogs. I must agree that most of

the brands out there do taste like doggie poop. The only brand that I found

absolutely delicious were the Boca brand sausages. They do contain red 40

so I eat them very sparingly but they are the best. The other veggie brands

would make anyone want to run out and grill a cow.

 

p.s.-You mentioned that you didn't have this problem growing up. CAn I

assume that your entire fam was vegetarian?

-

Chris & Mia

Saturday, May 24, 2003 2:02 AM

*sigh* Advice?

 

 

My son has started eating meat at school and I'm not sure how to

handle this. It started with turkey, which I didn't really LOVE the

idea of ... but I didn't want to make a huge deal out of it until I

had thought the situation through.

 

And then he started eating hot dogs. He loves them. He knows not to

ask for them at home, but he talks about eating them at school and

how yummy they taste.

 

I don't want to forbid him from eating anything, because ultimately I

feel it is his choice. But I don't want to encourage him to eat meat

by NOT saying anything either KWIM? How do you handle this?? I

prefer he doesn't eat meat, and I want him to know WHY I prefer

that ... but I don't want to scare him or coerce him into eating MY

way. If that makes any sense.

 

I bought some veggie dogs but he hated them. I'm going to try

another brand and hope they taste better. But short of that, do you

have any advice or experiences I can draw upon? Is the best course

of action to let him eat as he pleases at school, but maintain a meat-

free home?? Or ... do I insist on making him a lunch from home every

day??

 

I guess I'm most worried that anything I do will push him farther

into meat-eating ... whether I ignore he is doing it and that

encourages him to venture into eating MORE meat, or I make a huge

stink out of it and he becomes a closet meat-eater. This was never

an issue in my house growing up, I'm completely lost here.

 

Mia

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi. I had the same problem but mine was way more stupid on the part of the

teacher. Which I should add that she has been very good with Adrian being

vegetarian since I'm sure he's the ONLY vegetarian she's EVER seen. They are

having a pool party and she said " I'll be making hotdogs for the pool

party " then she looks at me and says " Adrian can have the chicken hotdogs

right? " DOH!!!!!!! Not to mention that I have been in charge of

bringing 'VEGETARIAN chicken nuggets' the last 4 parties we have had!!!

 

 

Diana

 

> " Karen L. Thurston " <karen

>

>

>RE: Re: *sigh* Advice?

>Thu, 29 May 2003 13:13:15 -0400

>

>Hi, I have to jump in on this again... my 5 year old is going to a private

>kindergarten, and they have been *fantastic* being careful of what she eats

>and doesn't eat... so I thought! They understood that she didn't eat

> " dairy "

>or " sugar " , but when those *exact words* were not on the ingredient list, a

>new teacher thought that it was ok for her to eat! Oh, yeah, " milk solids "

>and " high fructose corn syrup " -- that's so confusing... yikes, I thought

>everyone knew that!! So, I updated the list that I had given them. I also

>noticed that they have other dietary restrictions, for kids with allergies,

>posted on the kitchen wall, and while I had made mine a nice letter, these

>were written in big, bold colors, to get attention... so I made mine a

>little bigger and bolder. I had to ask them specifically to look at

>ingredients; one of the other teachers handed out crackers at snack time,

>and told me later, " who would have thought that crackers would have those

>ingredients in them! I didn't even think to look! " He also said that he

>thought it wasn't strictly necessary since he's seen her eating pizza -- I

>had to explain that it was home-made, with soy cheese (yes, I talked to the

>director about him!). This is the list I gave them.

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>We follow a vegetarian, whole-foods diet:

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>No meat (no chicken and fish either!)

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>No broth made from meats (this includes chicken, beef or fish broth)

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>No gelatin

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>No sugar (includes white sugar, brown sugar, corn syrup -- basically any

>ingredient ending with –ose, e.g., sucrose)

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>No sugar substitutes except evaporated cane juice or maple syrup

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>No soda

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>We also limit egg and dairy intake, and Devon has soy or rice milk instead

>of milk, soy cheese instead of dairy cheese, soy mayonnaise instead of

>mayonnaise, etc. Dairy includes: yogurt, cheese, and milk.

>

>Karen L. Thurston

>www.ThePrismSolutions.com

>Voice/FAX: 603 465-2867

>Cell Phone: 603 571-2863

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