Guest guest Posted January 2, 2000 Report Share Posted January 2, 2000 Contacting OU.ORG to ask who is correct. I'll let you know what they say. Sandra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Hey Everyone, I found a pretty interesting online booklet today at www.thevegetariansite.com . It's entitled, Animal Ingredients A to Z. I have not read it entirely, but what I have read is interesting; for example they found that postage stamps and envelopes are not made with animal products, but more than likely Lipton Tea and Heinz Ketchup are. Many chewing gums contain glycerin/ glycerine derived from animals, however Wrigley's uses a vegetable glycerin/glycerine (however it still has white sugar in it). Anyway, it looks to be well researched and probably is worth looking into. If anyone has a hard time reading the Word attachment I've sent, go to www.thevegetariansite.com, click on recipes in the menu on the left side of the page (check out the recipes too. They look yummy!), then scroll to the bottom where you can click on Animal Ingredients A to Z. One more thing - I have to comment on the DHA discussion one more time. My children have been vegan from conception. I took vegan prenatal vitamins when I was pregnant and maintained my vegan diet throughout. My perinatologist (high risk pregnancy OB)never once suggested I take a DHA supplement or eat fish. My children's pediatrician has never suggested this either. When the question was raised here on the list, I was concerned at first because really, I never gave DHA a second thought while pregnant, breastfeeding, or when my children went to solid foods. None of the books on raising vegan children expressed it as a concern. I read material from Dr. Klapper quite a bit while I was pregant and after my kids were born and pretty much followed what he had to say. My children are all on target, if not advanced for their age. Keep in mind, my children were born at 27 weeks and 1 day (3 months and 1 week early), so it was imperative for me to make sure they had appropriate and more than adequate nutrition in order to get them to be at least on par with their peers. Three of my children are gifted, two are above average. Maybe we're lucky as one of my friends said the other day. I think rather than being lucky, we just eat the right things, like the flax seeds and the flax seed oils, etc... as everyone has been saying on this list. God's Peace, Gayle " Coincidence is God's way of being anonymous. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 swang writes: > After I clicked on > Animal Ingredients A to Z, I neither activated the Technical information > regarding the original " Animal Ingredients A to Z " booklet, nor the Icon of > Book Animal Ingredients A to Z. > I had the same result Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 Hi, Gayle Thank you for introducing the www.thevegetariansite.com. After I clicked on Animal Ingredients A to Z, I neither activated the Technical information regarding the original " Animal Ingredients A to Z " booklet, nor the Icon of Book Animal Ingredients A to Z. Could you sent the attachment of Animal Ingredients A to Z to me,please? Thanks again for the you good suggestion! Sherrie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 For those of you interested in a minor bit of trivia. The remoistenable glue used on US postage stamps up until the mid 1960's was made with animal ingredients, but after lobbying from the Jewish community a glue without animal ingredients was substituted. Licking a stamp with the animal ingredient glue would have violated Kosher laws. The current glue is Kosher certified. Phil " It's easy to say, 'It's not my child, not my community, not my world, not my problem'. Then there are those who see the need and respond. I consider those people my heroes. " - Fred Rogers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 I sent a copy to the list in the body of the e-mail. When I sent the message before, I actually attached a copy, butt he attachment did not make it to the group. So, here it is. This is downloadable so ther are no copyright laws keeping me from sending this in its entirety. If is free for any and eveyone to download. God's Peace, Gayle - mom to Naomi, Ethan, Rebekah, Seth, and Arielle - 3/31/97 " But let justice roll down like waters, and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream. " Amos 5:24 - VAP79 Wednesday, June 04, 2003 11:32 AM Re: Re: Animal Ingredients A to Z swang writes: > After I clicked on > Animal Ingredients A to Z, I neither activated the Technical information > regarding the original " Animal Ingredients A to Z " booklet, nor the Icon of > Book Animal Ingredients A to Z. > I had the same result Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 Hmm. Kosher certified doesn't necessarily mean vegan, though. You can find pareve fish based gelatine allll over the place, for example, but vegetarian pareve is hard to find! Sandra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 a couple years ago, I spoke with a Rabbi from the Orthodox Union. My understanding is they are the most diligent of those organizations giving Kosher labels to products. At the time, he said there is no regulated standard for " kosher " . Gelatin is considered kosher because it is so far removed from the original flesh product (hoofs and stuff...ick). My understanding (I am not Jewish or Kosher though.....) is that Kosher has to do with combination of ingredients, sources of ingredients and handling of ingredients....not whether an item is vegan or not. For instance a cheeseburger is not kosher but a burger might be. Also, utensils can be kosherized by cleaning them properly. Lucy Sandra Mort <sandra.mort wrote: Hmm. Kosher certified doesn't necessarily mean vegan, though. You can find pareve fish based gelatine allll over the place, for example, but vegetarian pareve is hard to find! Sandra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2003 Report Share Posted June 10, 2003 Correct, though I must add that gelatine is considered kosher only if it comes from a kosher animal. Meaningless wrt vegetarianism, of course. Sandra a couple years ago, I spoke with a Rabbi from the Orthodox Union. My understanding is they are the most diligent of those organizations giving Kosher labels to products. At the time, he said there is no regulated standard for " kosher " . Gelatin is considered kosher because it is so far removed from the original flesh product (hoofs and stuff...ick). My understanding (I am not Jewish or Kosher though.....) is that Kosher has to do with combination of ingredients, sources of ingredients and handling of ingredients....not whether an item is vegan or not. For instance a cheeseburger is not kosher but a burger might be. Also, utensils can be kosherized by cleaning them properly. Lucy Sandra Mort <sandra.mort wrote: Hmm. Kosher certified doesn't necessarily mean vegan, though. You can find pareve fish based gelatine allll over the place, for example, but vegetarian pareve is hard to find! Sandra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2003 Report Share Posted June 11, 2003 Sandra, Sorry to disagree with you, but there are certifying organizations that will Hecksher (grant kosher certification) to gelatin that comes from non-kosher animals. The rationale being that the gelatin is so far removed from the animal that it can be pareve, thereby not considered an animal product and not held to the requirements of being an animal that is either kosher slaughtered or meeting the cloven hoof/chewing cud stuff. For everyone else, if you're interested: The kosher laws involve more than mixing, source or handling of ingredients. To be considered kosher an animal is supposed to be treated " humanely " . The animal must be healthy and the slaughter is supposed to be painless. The meat is salted to remove the blood, blood is not kosher. The animal, of course, also need to be on the list of kosher animals. Phil " It's easy to say, 'It's not my child, not my community, not my world, not my problem'. Then there are those who see the need and respond. I consider those people my heroes. " - Fred Rogers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2003 Report Share Posted June 13, 2003 Rabbi Katzenstein is a good contact. He's funny and open to clearly explaining things. He took a lot of time with me and we laughed a lot! Lucy Sandra Mort <sandra.mort wrote: Contacting OU.ORG to ask who is correct. I'll let you know what they say. Sandra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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