Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 I have a couple of new friends that I like very much who are not vegetarian. (btw, I'm vegan) anyway they are both married to men who are philopeno (sp?) Well, they were discussing the philopeno foods and restrurants (every thing meat) and how nothing is vegetarian Overall, they had consensus about the tastiness of the food except one dish. The would not try, It totally repulses them ) From what I understand, Its a cooked egg with a chick embroyo that is pretty well developed in it. (their husbands love this dish) Anyway, it seemed that this dish was really freaky to them and I had the feeling that it upset their sensibilities to be eating a baby bird. I kept my mouth shut but I am needing to express something, I'm not sure what .....except, I'm perplexed as to why chicken is okay to eat and eggs okay and all the traditional farm animals and hunted animals okay to eat but not these baby birds? Dont get me wrong, I am glad for the inconsistent thinking because perhaps they will see the irony on their own one day and not want to eat any animals. But at the same time I am frustrated with this inonsistency in thinking. I dont know what I need to say but I am strongly needing to connect with what othes might have to say and perhaps they can help me have some clarity as to what is alive in me as a response to their reaction. (I don't plan to bring this topic up with them, I just wanted to connect with another veggi and get some words as to what I might be experiencing at this moment and then) kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 I've never heard of that, how horrible! A non-veg friend I asked had this to say... Eggs are okay because they are not fertilized, and would not have become a chicken anyway. Chickens are okay because they have already lived their life (alright, *we* all know better!). And the baby birds would not be okay because they haven't 'lived' yet, and also because it isn't customary in our culture. - <bkwildcray Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:13 AM non-vegetarian friends <I'm perplexed as to why chicken is okay to eat and eggs okay and all the traditional farm animals and hunted animals okay to eat but not these baby birds?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 My first thought is that, in this particular instance, they *can't* deny where the food is coming from. They can see the potential and existence of life in this dish. It is right there in front of them. With other foods, your mind will let you think of the dish as beginning on your plate and not in another being's body. Lucy bkwildcray wrote: I have a couple of new friends that I like very much who are not vegetarian. (btw, I'm vegan) anyway they are both married to men who are philopeno (sp?) Well, they were discussing the philopeno foods and restrurants (every thing meat) and how nothing is vegetarian Overall, they had consensus about the tastiness of the food except one dish. The would not try, It totally repulses them ) From what I understand, Its a cooked egg with a chick embroyo that is pretty well developed in it. (their husbands love this dish) Anyway, it seemed that this dish was really freaky to them and I had the feeling that it upset their sensibilities to be eating a baby bird. I kept my mouth shut but I am needing to express something, I'm not sure what .....except, I'm perplexed as to why chicken is okay to eat and eggs okay and all the traditional farm animals and hunted animals okay to eat but not these baby birds? Dont get me wrong, I am glad for the inconsistent thinking because perhaps they will see the irony on their own one day and not want to eat any animals. But at the same time I am frustrated with this inonsistency in thinking. I dont know what I need to say but I am strongly needing to connect with what othes might have to say and perhaps they can help me have some clarity as to what is alive in me as a response to their reaction. (I don't plan to bring this topic up with them, I just wanted to connect with another veggi and get some words as to what I might be experiencing at this moment and then) kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2003 Report Share Posted June 13, 2003 " it isn't customary in our culture " I think that is the biggest part of the reason. I never understand why people get so upset when they hear about other cultures eating dog or some other animal that we consider pets. I've heard people comment on how barbaric and uncivilized that is. Well, it all depends on how one defines civilization, I guess. There's nothing inherently wrong about eating dog, if you are going to eat meat, it's just a cultural thing. I suspect that it also has something to do with the fact that these are babies, and our society has a soft spot for them (I don't mean to imply that we shouldn't, of course). Most people would be horrified if you killed a cute little fluffy chick and offered it to them to eat, but wait a few weeks when it's bigger and not so cute and they won't even think about it. Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2003 Report Share Posted June 13, 2003 Your friend is mistaken. Many of the eggs are fertilized. That's why there is a little fetus attached to the yolk in so many cases!! The hens at my daughter's school only have unfertilized eggs because there is no rooster around to fertilize them. These little gals run around the yard freely until the evening when they go into a coup for protection from the coyotes. Lucy bebarker96 wrote: I've never heard of that, how horrible! A non-veg friend I asked had this to say... Eggs are okay because they are not fertilized, and would not have become a chicken anyway. Chickens are okay because they have already lived their life (alright, *we* all know better!). And the baby birds would not be okay because they haven't 'lived' yet, and also because it isn't customary in our culture. - <bkwildcray Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:13 AM non-vegetarian friends <I'm perplexed as to why chicken is okay to eat and eggs okay and all the traditional farm animals and hunted animals okay to eat but not these baby birds?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2003 Report Share Posted June 13, 2003 I dunno... it sounds EXTRA gross to me to be eating brain, eyes, bones, beak & feathers... even if they're not fully developed yet. Sandra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2003 Report Share Posted June 24, 2003 Wouldn't the hens have to be in a truly free range environment to have fertile eggs? Since the vast majority of eggs are produced in unthinkably inhumane factory farm conditions the hens have no contact with a rooster. I have this handy biology degree and so I know all kinds of interesting trivia. The white blobs that attach to the yolk are actually where the yolk separated from the shell. It is attatched to 2 sides so it will be suspended in the albumin(white) and not rest on the bottom of the shell. If the yolk rests on the bottom any developing chick would be malformed if it even lived. Blood spots are also not embryonic chicks, they are just that spots of blood that occured when a particularly large egg was formed etc. Blood spots are also hereditary and can occur in most or all eggs of some hens. Okay, enough bio babble. Stephanie BTW:I had a very good friend in HS who was Filipino and his family also ate embryonic ducks. , Lucy Watkins <lucywatkins@s...> wrote: > Your friend is mistaken. Many of the eggs are fertilized. That's why there is a little fetus attached to the yolk in so many cases!! The hens at my daughter's school only have unfertilized eggs because there is no rooster around to fertilize them. These little gals run around the yard freely until the evening when they go into a coup for protection from the coyotes. > > Lucy > > bebarker96@m... wrote: > I've never heard of that, how horrible! A non-veg friend I asked had this to > say... Eggs are okay because they are not fertilized, and would not have > become a chicken anyway. Chickens are okay because they have already lived > their life (alright, *we* all know better!). And the baby birds would not be > okay because they haven't 'lived' yet, and also because it isn't customary > in our culture. > - > <bkwildcray@a...> > > Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:13 AM > non-vegetarian friends > > > <I'm perplexed as to why chicken is okay to eat and eggs okay and > all the traditional farm animals and hunted animals okay to eat but not > these > baby birds?> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2003 Report Share Posted June 25, 2003 Not all of them are fertilized....I've seen many that *did* have a fetal chicken in it. You could see the creature forming into a recognizable shape. In fact, when my sister once confronted me with my feelings about eggs, she too said what you just said (she has a science degree as well). I challenged her. Of the 12 eggs she cracked that day, 3 of them had obvious fetuses in them. What seemed like a waste of 12 eggs to make a point turned into one less person buying eggs. I don't have any explanation for this, but I know an immature chicken fetus when I see the formation of a head, body, and legs. When I've contacted egg producers, I've never gotten a response. Lucy Stephanie <sjoynsen wrote: Wouldn't the hens have to be in a truly free range environment to have fertile eggs? Since the vast majority of eggs are produced in unthinkably inhumane factory farm conditions the hens have no contact with a rooster. I have this handy biology degree and so I know all kinds of interesting trivia. The white blobs that attach to the yolk are actually where the yolk separated from the shell. It is attatched to 2 sides so it will be suspended in the albumin(white) and not rest on the bottom of the shell. If the yolk rests on the bottom any developing chick would be malformed if it even lived. Blood spots are also not embryonic chicks, they are just that spots of blood that occured when a particularly large egg was formed etc. Blood spots are also hereditary and can occur in most or all eggs of some hens. Okay, enough bio babble. Stephanie BTW:I had a very good friend in HS who was Filipino and his family also ate embryonic ducks. , Lucy Watkins <lucywatkins@s...> wrote: > Your friend is mistaken. Many of the eggs are fertilized. That's why there is a little fetus attached to the yolk in so many cases!! The hens at my daughter's school only have unfertilized eggs because there is no rooster around to fertilize them. These little gals run around the yard freely until the evening when they go into a coup for protection from the coyotes. > > Lucy > > bebarker96@m... wrote: > I've never heard of that, how horrible! A non-veg friend I asked had this to > say... Eggs are okay because they are not fertilized, and would not have > become a chicken anyway. Chickens are okay because they have already lived > their life (alright, *we* all know better!). And the baby birds would not be > okay because they haven't 'lived' yet, and also because it isn't customary > in our culture. > - > <bkwildcray@a...> > > Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:13 AM > non-vegetarian friends > > > <I'm perplexed as to why chicken is okay to eat and eggs okay and > all the traditional farm animals and hunted animals okay to eat but not > these > baby birds?> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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