Guest guest Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 Hello, I am new here, and new to beign a vegetarian. I have a daughter that is 1.5 years old, and she does well with veggies, better, infact than with meat. One of the reasons I decided to stop eating meat is because my husband's cholestrol is through the roof, at age 30. There, of course are many other reasons, but that was mainly the deciding factor, after throwing the ideal around for a couple of years. My mum lectures me about Protien for my daughter, and Iron for her, and myself, since I have been known to be a little on the anemic side. I asked my daughter's dr. about feeding her vegetarian, and he was very happy to hear that I had made that choice. Reguardless, I get the same old lecture from my mum. She is startling with her lectures. So, to make a long story short, I would like to be a part of a group, that doesn't lecture me about not feeding my child meat. Melanie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 Welcome, we definitely will not lecture about being meatless! --Tracy > So, to make a long story short, I > would like to be a part of a group, that doesn't lecture me about > not feeding my child meat. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 Hi, Melanie!!! My son is 21 months old and has never tasted meat! I think you're making the right choice for your daughter...OOPS..let me clarify...we still eat seafood. So he has indeed had fish...nothing else though, no pork, beef, or chicken. Have you read Vegetarian Baby by Ytema (sp?). I really enjoyed it and found it helpful. We have no problem getting protein around here. At first I was a little nervous, but now I know he's getting what he needs. Welcome to the group!!!!!! Jan in Florida > > " Melanie " <melaniekcasto > 2004/01/11 Sun PM 11:59:12 EST > > Hello, New here > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 My husband has pretty high cholesterol and he's been lacto-ovo-vegetarian for many years. He's like that comercial where it says the woman has been vegetarian since 1982 and her cholesterol is thru the roof. I always think well if she were vegan she wouldn't have that problem. Its those people like my husband who think they need lots of good animal protein (like milk and eggs) to make up for what they are missing by being vegetarian. I'm not missing anything by being vegetarian except a ton of hormones and chemicals.. forgive the rant. I try so hard to eat foods that are good for me.. healthy variety of vegetables.. I don't want to mess that up by consuming animal products. But my husband thinks since he doesn't eat meat he needs to eat a lot of eggs and dairy. Not sure if you are vegan or lacto-ovo? Suggestions for feeding baby if she has low iron grits are good.. you might mix in some rice cheese to give it a little flavour. Or a little bit of jam. If you live in an area where you can buy grits. If not.. she's still young enough that you could feed her infant cereal fortified with iron. I'm sure you probably already eat plenty enough protein.. most americans eat way more than they need. Renee Melanie <melaniekcasto wrote: Hello, I am new here, and new to beign a vegetarian. I have a daughter that is 1.5 years old, and she does well with veggies, better, infact than with meat. One of the reasons I decided to stop eating meat is because my husband's cholestrol is through the roof, at age 30. There, of course are many other reasons, but that was mainly the deciding factor, after throwing the ideal around for a couple of years. My mum lectures me about Protien for my daughter, and Iron for her, and myself, since I have been known to be a little on the anemic side. I asked my daughter's dr. about feeding her vegetarian, and he was very happy to hear that I had made that choice. Reguardless, I get the same old lecture from my mum. She is startling with her lectures. So, to make a long story short, I would like to be a part of a group, that doesn't lecture me about not feeding my child meat. Melanie For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 Thank you Jan. No I have never read Vegetarian Baby, but I will look for it. My daughter still eats fish, although I can't, I buy it for her and my husband. Thank you for the welcome, and the reassurance!! Melanie , APmommy76 <mommy76@b...> wrote: > Hi, Melanie!!! My son is 21 months old and has never tasted meat! I think you're making the right choice for your daughter...OOPS..let me clarify...we still eat seafood. So he has indeed had fish...nothing else though, no pork, beef, or chicken. > > Have you read Vegetarian Baby by Ytema (sp?). I really enjoyed it and found it helpful. We have no problem getting protein around here. At first I was a little nervous, but now I know he's getting what he needs. > > Welcome to the group!!!!!! > > Jan in Florida > > > > " Melanie " <melaniekcasto> > > 2004/01/11 Sun PM 11:59:12 EST > > > > Hello, New here > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Welcome! I'm sorry to hear that your mother is pressuring you without being fully informed. On the bright side it's great that your pediatricain is so supportive. Many Doctors are not (they too are uninformed). I think you will find your husband's cholesterol levels will drop quite a bit in the weeks to come. Reducing dairy intake will help him as well. It's not difficult to get all the protein you need on a vegetarian diet if you know what to look for. I suggest that you read all you can right now so that you don't miss out on any important nutrients as you make this transition. A book I enjoyed was " The Vegetarian Child " by Lucy Moll. VRG has quite a few resources so does Vegetarian Times and many other websites like them. Good Luck and Good Health, Stephanie (in Maryland) PS where are you? , " Melanie " <melaniekcasto> wrote: > Hello, I am new here, and new to beign a vegetarian. I have a > daughter that is 1.5 years old, and she does well with veggies, > better, infact than with meat. One of the reasons I decided to stop > eating meat is because my husband's cholestrol is through the roof, > at age 30. There, of course are many other reasons, but that was > mainly the deciding factor, after throwing the ideal around for a > couple of years. My mum lectures me about Protien for my daughter, > and Iron for her, and myself, since I have been known to be a little > on the anemic side. I asked my daughter's dr. about feeding her > vegetarian, and he was very happy to hear that I had made that > choice. Reguardless, I get the same old lecture from my mum. She > is startling with her lectures. So, to make a long story short, I > would like to be a part of a group, that doesn't lecture me about > not feeding my child meat. > > Melanie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 I've read that breastmilk only has 5% protein. This is the perfect, exclusive food for a person who is growing more quickly and vitaly than they will any other time in their life. Wouldn't it stand to reason that fully grown humans would not need more than 5% either, if the rest of their diet was in proper balance? That was a real eye opener for me. ~Marvelyn > I'm sure > you probably already eat plenty enough protein.. most americans > eat way more than they need. > Renee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 , Renee Carroll <renecarol25> wrote: > My husband has pretty high cholesterol and he's been lacto-ovo-vegetarian for many years. He's like that comercial where it says the woman has been vegetarian since 1982 and her cholesterol is thru the roof. I always think well if she were vegan she wouldn't have that problem. Not to be argumentative, but vegans can have high cholesterol, too - it's largely genetically determined. It's what is produced by your own liver that is the real killer. You don't necessarily have to go on drugs, exercise is very important and diet does matter, but the above is unnecessarily harsh on LO vegetarians, IMHO. Be well, Hadass in Winnipeg (not an MD). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Thank you for the welcome. And thank you for the resources. I have much of what is there on the web, and am just now starting to get my hands on books. At first I didn't really know that there were special concerns for children, so I read many books on vegetarian eating, for adults. We are in Idaho. A pretty remote town, about 50 miles SE of Boise. Melanie , " Stephanie in MD " <sjoynsen@a...> wrote: > Welcome! > I'm sorry to hear that your mother is pressuring you without being > fully informed. On the bright side it's great that your > pediatricain is so supportive. Many Doctors are not (they too are > uninformed). > I think you will find your husband's cholesterol levels will drop > quite a bit in the weeks to come. Reducing dairy intake will help > him as well. > > It's not difficult to get all the protein you need on a vegetarian > diet if you know what to look for. I suggest that you read all you > can right now so that you don't miss out on any important nutrients > as you make this transition. A book I enjoyed was " The Vegetarian > Child " by Lucy Moll. VRG has quite a few resources so does > Vegetarian Times and many other websites like them. > > Good Luck and Good Health, > Stephanie (in Maryland) > PS where are you? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 My husband is the same, so maybe his cholesterol won't go down, although I hope it does. I really, don't eat much cheese or eggs, but I wouldn't say I am vegan, although, that is my goal, but I still use eggs in recipes that call for eggs. But I have started to substitute soy cheese where cheese is called for. My husband doesn't know the difference. Which is good. I feel the same way you do about the animal products. Infact, this change has been easy on me, since I never really cared much for meat, milk and cheese were hard to give up, for me, and like I said, I haven't given it up 100%, but it is getting there. Thanks for the welcome. Melanie , Renee Carroll <renecarol25> wrote: > My husband has pretty high cholesterol and he's been lacto-ovo- vegetarian for many years. He's like that comercial where it says the woman has been vegetarian since 1982 and her cholesterol is thru the roof. I always think well if she were vegan she wouldn't have that problem. Its those people like my husband who think they need lots of good animal protein (like milk and eggs) to make up for what they are missing by being vegetarian. I'm not missing anything by being vegetarian except a ton of hormones and chemicals.. forgive the rant. I try so hard to eat foods that are good for me.. healthy variety of vegetables.. I don't want to mess that up by consuming animal products. But my husband thinks since he doesn't eat meat he needs to eat a lot of eggs and dairy. Not sure if you are vegan or lacto-ovo? Suggestions for feeding baby if she has low iron grits are good.. you might mix in some rice cheese to give it a little flavour. Or a little bit of jam. If you live in an area > where you can buy grits. If not.. she's still young enough that you could feed her infant cereal fortified with iron. I'm sure you probably already eat plenty enough protein.. most americans eat way more than they need. > Renee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 Hurray!!! That is great news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 I think less than 10% protein is considered a deficiency for adults. Marvelyn and Trey Granger <cgranger wrote: I've read that breastmilk only has 5% protein. This is the perfect, exclusive food for a person who is growing more quickly and vitaly than they will any other time in their life. Wouldn't it stand to reason that fully grown humans would not need more than 5% either, if the rest of their diet was in proper balance? That was a real eye opener for me. ~Marvelyn > I'm sure > you probably already eat plenty enough protein.. most americans > eat way more than they need. > Renee For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 renecarol25 writes: Suggestions for feeding baby if she has low iron grits are good.. you might mix in some rice cheese to give it a little flavour. Or a little bit of jam. If you live in an area where you can buy grits. If not.. she's still young enough that you could feed her infant cereal fortified with iron I lost the original posting, so I'm adding on to this thread. From a natural medicine perspective, Not a good idea to feed iron fortified fooods to infants. She might not be absorbing the iron and other vitamins and minerals from what she eats. My suggestion is to try giving digestive enzymes( liquid form if you can find them where you live). Also a good acidophilus for a while. Good luck, Peace, Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 sorry about that.. I didn't mean to be harsh on vegetarians.. I've been lacto-ovo most of my life and only recently started to phase out eggs and milk. So I guess I'm just up on my soapbox right now. My husband eats six hard-boiled eggs a day. Plus doucing every vegetable he eats in cheese isn't helping his cholesterol problem. It'd be better to give up the eggs and cheese than have to go on drugs for it. Renee Lion's Ima <heviatar wrote: Not to be argumentative, but vegans can have high cholesterol, too - it's largely genetically determined. It's what is produced by your own liver that is the real killer. You don't necessarily have to go on drugs, exercise is very important and diet does matter, but the above is unnecessarily harsh on LO vegetarians, IMHO. Be well, Hadass in Winnipeg (not an MD). Hotjobs: Enter the " Signing Bonus " Sweepstakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 Just wanted to share my cholesterol story. I was lacto ovo for many years when my MD noted that my cholesterol was slightly high (206). He's quite conservative about letting things like that go so he suggested I watch my diet (grrrr, I felt like I already was) and get my butt off the couch. I was to return in 6 months. The heart health in my family history is stinky at best so I was motivated plus the thought of him prescribing meds was upsetting. What I discovered when I really looked at my diet was, we ate a lot of cheese (mostly soy but occassionally dairy). I cut way down on cheese but I also looked at other parts of my diet like fast food and meals out. Anyway, 6 months later my cholesterol dropped to 180. My MD did the happy dance. And I'd lost a few pounds in the process. Now I'm close to vegan, I'd never have thought that back then. My point is, your hubby should look at his whole diet because we sometimes miss the obvious. And now this dietetic technician is stepping off her soapbox. Katie PS For some cholesterol is definitely a genetic predisposition that requires meds to control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 , Renee Carroll <renecarol25> wrote: > sorry about that.. I didn't mean to be harsh on vegetarians.. I've been lacto-ovo most of my life and only recently started to phase out eggs and milk. So I guess I'm just up on my soapbox right now. My husband eats six hard-boiled eggs a day. Plus doucing every vegetable he eats in cheese isn't helping his cholesterol problem. It'd be better to give up the eggs and cheese than have to go on drugs for it. I hear you! My DH also had to phase out a lot of eggs and cheese when his triglycerides went through the roof. He also started to exercise a LOT more and I think that has made the major difference ... but he may still need drugs eventually 8-(. Be well, Hadass in Winnipeg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2004 Report Share Posted January 16, 2004 That is a lot less than I would have thought. Melanie , Renee Carroll <renecarol25> wrote: > I think less than 10% protein is considered a deficiency for adults. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2004 Report Share Posted January 16, 2004 That is interesting. All infant foods are fortified in some way, formula, cereals, and some of the juices. So who would have thought, that fortified foods would not be doing their job with infants? Thanks. Melanie , VAP79@a... wrote: > renecarol25 writes: > Suggestions for feeding baby if she has low iron grits are good.. you might > mix in some rice cheese to give it a little flavour. Or a little bit of jam. > If you live in an area > where you can buy grits. If not.. she's still young enough that you could > feed her infant cereal fortified with iron > I lost the original posting, so I'm adding on to this thread. > From a natural medicine perspective, Not a good idea to feed iron fortified > fooods to infants. > She might not be absorbing the iron and other vitamins and minerals from what > she eats. > My suggestion is to try giving digestive enzymes( liquid form if you can find > them where you live). Also a good acidophilus for a while. > Good luck, > Peace, > Laura > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2004 Report Share Posted January 16, 2004 That is a great outcome for you. My husband definitely eats badly. He would eat an entire block of cheese if I let him. He will eat meat, and nothing else. That is why at home, I started to phase out the meat, and he seems to enjoy eating the vegetables. Now, we are completely meatless, with the exception of my daughter, who still eats fish sticks and baked fish, and sometimes chicken. But my husband still goes to work, and forgets his lunch, and eats at Burger King, and gets a triple death burger and fries. So, I know it is his diet, but I can only do what I can do, and that is cook w/o the meat, and as often as I can, w/o dairy products, eggs, etc. and prepare him a healthy lunch. It is up to him to remember to take it though. But good thing to say, his blood pressure and cholesterol has gone down. It is slightly high, but just borderline. So we must be doing something right. Now, if he would start exercising again, we'd be in business. Melanie , " Katie Mangan " <kmangan@e...> wrote: > Just wanted to share my cholesterol story. I was lacto ovo for many > years when my MD noted that my cholesterol was slightly high (206). > He's quite conservative about letting things like that go so he suggested > I watch my diet (grrrr, I felt like I already was) and get my butt off > the couch. I was to return in 6 months. The heart health in my family history is stinky at best so > I was motivated plus the thought of him prescribing meds was upsetting. > > What I discovered when I really looked at my diet was, we ate a lot of cheese (mostly soy but occassionally > dairy). I cut way down on cheese but I also looked at other parts of my diet like fast food and meals out. > Anyway, 6 months later my cholesterol dropped to 180. My MD did the happy dance. > And I'd lost a few pounds in the process. Now I'm close to vegan, I'd never have thought that back then. > > My point is, your hubby should look at his whole diet because we sometimes miss the obvious. > > And now this dietetic technician is stepping off her soapbox. > > Katie > > PS For some cholesterol is definitely a genetic predisposition that requires meds to control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 melaniekcasto writes: .. Now, if he would start exercising again, we'd be in business. Melaine, My husband stopped eating most animal products when we got married. He does have a sweet tooth and loves white flour products. So, junk food, mostly candy and chips are his downfall I also have the husband who used to exercise thing going on. We do have the family gym membership! That even includes child care. Go figure. Peace, Laura So, despite the lack of animal protein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 I hear ya!! We are military, so we can go to the gym any time. That doesn't include child care, but I have always found time to exercise. My husband stopped in NM, because he liked to moutain bike, and well, there were no mountains. Now we live in Idaho, and mountains are all around us, nearby, and he hasn't started riding again. Perhaps when the weather warms up again. Fortunately, my husband doesn't have a horrible sweet tooth, but when he gets one, he pigs out!!! LOL! Melanie , VAP79@a... wrote: > melaniekcasto writes: > . Now, if he would > start exercising again, we'd be in business. > Melaine, > My husband stopped eating most animal products when we got married. He does > have a sweet tooth and loves white flour products. So, junk food, mostly candy > and chips are his downfall > I also have the husband who used to exercise thing going on. > We do have the family gym membership! > That even includes child care. > Go figure. > Peace, > Laura > So, despite the lack of animal protein > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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