Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 Disgusting Diet of Toddlers & Infants The January, 2004 issue of the Journal of the American Dietetic Association contains a study that traces food consumption patterns of American infants and toddlers, ages 7 months through 24 months. What foods are American infants and toddlers eating? Parents of over 3,000 infants reported shocking results. Depending upon the age group, between 18% to 33% of infants and toddlers consumed no vegetables, and 23% to 33% consumed no fruits. The most commonly consumed vegetable for those who did eat veggies was French fried potatoes. What happened to dark-green leafy vegetables? What happend to an apple a day? What happened to America's health? Many years ago, Ellen Gould White recognized that educating children to cook healthy meals was a primary responsibility of adult teachers and parents. In 1913, White wrote: " The science of cooking is not a small matter. The skilful preparation of food is one of the most essential arts. It should be regarded as among the most valuable of all the arts, because it is so closely connected with the life. Both physical and mental strength depend to a great degree upon the food we eat; therefore the one who prepares the food occupies an important and elevated position. " Robert Cohen http://www.notmilk.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 What happened to green leafy vegetables? Babies can't adequately chew and digest them, that's what! That's why babies need their breastmilk for calcium! And that's why children should be nursed until AT LEAST age two, as recomended by the WHO. Milk (human milk) is essential until the child is old enough to eat and absorb sufficient quantitiy of the right foods. After that, milk from any animal has no place in the human diet. I don't see lack of certain vegetables as a problem in a baby's diet, the problem is being weaned way too early. Jen Maynard S. Clark wrote: >Disgusting Diet of Toddlers & Infants > >The January, 2004 issue of the Journal of the American Dietetic Association contains a study that traces food consumption patterns of American infants and toddlers, ages 7 months through 24 months. > > > >What happened to dark-green leafy vegetables? What happend to an apple a day? What happened to America's health? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 But...not all of women can breastfeed, nor do they all choose to breastfeed for the WHO-recommended period of time. Babies weaned earlier than 2 years, or even those not breastfeed at all, can be healthy veg*ans. There's room for many choices and approaches.... Cheers, Karen *** What happened to green leafy vegetables? Babies can't adequately chew and digest them, that's what! That's why babies need their breastmilk for calcium! And that's why children should be nursed until AT LEAST age two, as recomended by the WHO. Milk (human milk) is essential until the child is old enough to eat and absorb sufficient quantitiy of the right foods. After that, milk from any animal has no place in the human diet. I don't see lack of certain vegetables as a problem in a baby's diet, the problem is being weaned way too early. Jen Maynard S. Clark wrote: >Disgusting Diet of Toddlers & Infants > >The January, 2004 issue of the Journal of the American Dietetic Association contains a study that traces food consumption patterns of American infants and toddlers, ages 7 months through 24 months. > > > >What happened to dark-green leafy vegetables? What happend to an apple a day? What happened to America's health? > Hotjobs: Enter the " Signing Bonus " Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./signingbonus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Ahh, yes, I should have mentioned they should have breastmilk, or if they have to, formula for that time. The point was supposed to be, they aren't ready to get all that stuff from solid food until they are old enough to assimilate it all, not to say that they should not have formula. Formula can be an adequate source of nutrients, too, but like breastfeeding it should be continued for some time, until, say, the child can eat a big serving of kale and actually chew and digest it. One shouldn't worry if a child under 2 is not eating a ton of fruits and vegetables as they should still be getting nutrients from breastmilk or if needed articficial baby milk (not cow milk!) Jen Karen Hirsch wrote: >But...not all of women can breastfeed, nor do they all >choose to breastfeed for the WHO-recommended period of >time. Babies weaned earlier than 2 years, or even >those not breastfeed at all, can be healthy veg*ans. >There's room for many choices and approaches.... > >Cheers, >Karen > > >*** > >What happened to green leafy vegetables? Babies can't >adequately chew >and digest them, that's what! That's why babies need >their breastmilk >for calcium! And that's why children should be nursed >until AT LEAST >age >two, as recomended by the WHO. Milk (human milk) is >essential until the >child is old enough to eat and absorb sufficient >quantitiy of the right >foods. After that, milk from any animal has no place >in the human diet. >I don't see lack of certain vegetables as a problem in >a baby's diet, >the problem is being weaned way too early. > >Jen > >Maynard S. Clark wrote: > > > >>Disgusting Diet of Toddlers & Infants >> >>The January, 2004 issue of the Journal of the >> >> >American Dietetic >Association contains a study that traces food >consumption patterns of >American infants and toddlers, ages 7 months through >24 months. > > >> >>What happened to dark-green leafy vegetables? What >> >> >happend to an apple >a day? What happened to America's health? Hotjobs: Enter the " Signing Bonus " Sweepstakes >http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./signingbonus > > >For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. > >edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Bravo Jen. I second that! Stephanie (lactation consultant in training) , Jennifer Petrus <jen.petrus@e...> wrote: > > What happened to green leafy vegetables? Babies can't adequately chew > and digest them, that's what! That's why babies need their breastmilk > for calcium! And that's why children should be nursed until AT LEAST age > two, as recomended by the WHO. Milk (human milk) is essential until the > child is old enough to eat and absorb sufficient quantitiy of the right > foods. After that, milk from any animal has no place in the human diet. > I don't see lack of certain vegetables as a problem in a baby's diet, > the problem is being weaned way too early. > > Jen > > Maynard S. Clark wrote: > > >Disgusting Diet of Toddlers & Infants > > > >The January, 2004 issue of the Journal of the American Dietetic Association contains a study that traces food consumption patterns of American infants and toddlers, ages 7 months through 24 months. > > > > > > > >What happened to dark-green leafy vegetables? What happend to an apple a day? What happened to America's health? > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 -I have been lurking for some time but have my dh holding my teething baby so I can respond to the breasfeeding issue. Yes, unfortunately, many women choose not to breastfeed or to discontinue before the recommended 1 year (by the AAP) the problem here lies in the fact that women see breastfeeding as a choice that they are entitled to make in this " free country " of choices. This is all due to the information that is put out there. In reality, and the research shows this, if you " choose " not to breastfeed your baby your are putting them at risk for health problems (increased risk of asthma and others) I do not feel this is any indivudual mothers fault or that mothers should be attacked, rather it is a result of the lack of information that women are given due to the major influence of the formula companies. Yes, some women " can't " breastfeed but this is like saying someone " can't " learn to swim-the reality is that it is less than 5% (again rsearch shows). My 3 year old is a strong healthy, vegetarian and has the benefit for his future health of having been nursed for 2 1/2 years. In the interest of health, and vegetarian health, we should all educate ourselves on breastfeeding and see it as not just a choice but as the BEST choice to give our children the start they deserve. Thanks ! (Hi Stephanie!)-- Susan In , Karen Hirsch <karen_hirsch> wrote: > But...not all of women can breastfeed, nor do they all > choose to breastfeed for the WHO-recommended period of > time. Babies weaned earlier than 2 years, or even > those not breastfeed at all, can be healthy veg*ans. > There's room for many choices and approaches.... > > Cheers, > Karen > > > *** > > What happened to green leafy vegetables? Babies can't > adequately chew > and digest them, that's what! That's why babies need > their breastmilk > for calcium! And that's why children should be nursed > until AT LEAST > age > two, as recomended by the WHO. Milk (human milk) is > essential until the > child is old enough to eat and absorb sufficient > quantitiy of the right > foods. After that, milk from any animal has no place > in the human diet. > I don't see lack of certain vegetables as a problem in > a baby's diet, > the problem is being weaned way too early. > > Jen > > Maynard S. Clark wrote: > > >Disgusting Diet of Toddlers & Infants > > > >The January, 2004 issue of the Journal of the > American Dietetic > Association contains a study that traces food > consumption patterns of > American infants and toddlers, ages 7 months through > 24 months. > > > > > > > >What happened to dark-green leafy vegetables? What > happend to an apple > a day? What happened to America's health? > > > > > > > Hotjobs: Enter the " Signing Bonus " Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./signingbonus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2004 Report Share Posted January 16, 2004 Yes, my daughter, just started to not take formula anymore. I didn't breastfeed, but kept her on formula until the last month. She is 1.5 y/o, so I figured she can finally go off of it, since it was becoming a HUGE ordeal to try to give it to her. At any rate, I wanted to ask. When she was born, the drs. we very blunt about stating soy formula is not as adequate a substitute for children, if they can drink the cow's milk formula, they should. So it is surprising to see people talking about feeding infants soy formula instead of breastfeeding, if they don't have a reaction to it. Melanie , Jennifer Petrus <jen.petrus@e...> wrote: > Ahh, yes, I should have mentioned they should have breastmilk, or if > they have to, formula for that time. The point was supposed to be, they > aren't ready to get all that stuff from solid food until they are old > enough to assimilate it all, not to say that they should not have > formula. Formula can be an adequate source of nutrients, too, but like > breastfeeding it should be continued for some time, until, say, the > child can eat a big serving of kale and actually chew and digest it. > One shouldn't worry if a child under 2 is not eating a ton of fruits > and vegetables as they should still be getting nutrients from breastmilk > or if needed articficial baby milk (not cow milk!) > > Jen > > Karen Hirsch wrote: > > >But...not all of women can breastfeed, nor do they all > >choose to breastfeed for the WHO-recommended period of > >time. Babies weaned earlier than 2 years, or even > >those not breastfeed at all, can be healthy veg*ans. > >There's room for many choices and approaches.... > > > >Cheers, > >Karen > > > > > >*** > > > >What happened to green leafy vegetables? Babies can't > >adequately chew > >and digest them, that's what! That's why babies need > >their breastmilk > >for calcium! And that's why children should be nursed > >until AT LEAST > >age > >two, as recomended by the WHO. Milk (human milk) is > >essential until the > >child is old enough to eat and absorb sufficient > >quantitiy of the right > >foods. After that, milk from any animal has no place > >in the human diet. > >I don't see lack of certain vegetables as a problem in > >a baby's diet, > >the problem is being weaned way too early. > > > >Jen > > > >Maynard S. Clark wrote: > > > > > > > >>Disgusting Diet of Toddlers & Infants > >> > >>The January, 2004 issue of the Journal of the > >> > >> > >American Dietetic > >Association contains a study that traces food > >consumption patterns of > >American infants and toddlers, ages 7 months through > >24 months. > > > > > >> > >>What happened to dark-green leafy vegetables? What > >> > >> > >happend to an apple > >a day? What happened to America's health? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hotjobs: Enter the " Signing Bonus " Sweepstakes > >http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./signingbonus > > > > > >For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. > > > >edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2004 Report Share Posted January 17, 2004 That percentage only takes into account factors that would prohibit the mother breastfeeding when she is in a healthy state (inverted nipples, etc). But there are more and more of us who *would* have been able to breastfeed, but are simply too weak to produce breastmilk after a particularly violent birth experience (due to more doc interference these days with inductions, cesarians, drugs, etc). This happened to me and sadly, I was told by docs that my birth experience was " normal " . I do not fit into that 5% that was quoted, but I COULDN'T breastfeed. It was not a choice. - susancmt Friday, January 16, 2004 9:05 AM Re: Disgusting Diet of Toddlers & Infants Yes, some women " can't " breastfeed but this is like saying someone " can't " learn to swim-the reality is that it is less than 5% (again rsearch shows). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 most women do not produce milk right after birth anyway, it usually comes on the third day. I was extremely weak after having my second son, I was in labor for 22 hours, trying to push out a ten pound baby with his hand up over his head, talk about exhausting! Anyway, it had not impact on milk supply at all. Sara - " EARL BARKER " <bebarker96 Saturday, January 17, 2004 1:29 PM Re: Re: Disgusting Diet of Toddlers & Infants > That percentage only takes into account factors that would prohibit the mother breastfeeding when she is in a healthy state (inverted nipples, etc). But there are more and more of us who *would* have been able to breastfeed, but are simply too weak to produce breastmilk after a particularly violent birth experience (due to more doc interference these days with inductions, cesarians, drugs, etc). This happened to me and sadly, I was told by docs that my birth experience was " normal " . I do not fit into that 5% that was quoted, but I COULDN'T breastfeed. It was not a choice. > - > susancmt > Friday, January 16, 2004 9:05 AM > > Re: Disgusting Diet of Toddlers & Infants > > Yes, some women " can't " breastfeed but this is like > saying someone " can't " learn to swim-the reality is that it is less > than 5% (again rsearch shows). > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 I think it's great you were able to breastfeed. But just to clarify, I was talking about weakness from blood loss from being ripped in two, front to back, inside and out, ruptured cervix, etc. They did not do a blood transfusion and it was about two months before I could move without pain. This, the docs called normal. I otherwise should have been able to nurse, was in fact leaking constantly throughout pregnancy, but could not do anything but sleep for the weeks following the birth. - Sara Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:18 AM most women do not produce milk right after birth anyway, it usually comes on the third day. I was extremely weak after having my second son, I was in labor for 22 hours, trying to push out a ten pound baby with his hand up over his head, talk about exhausting! Anyway, it had not impact on milk supply at all. - " EARL BARKER " <bebarker96 Saturday, January 17, 2004 1:29 PM That percentage only takes into account factors that would prohibit the mother breastfeeding when she is in a healthy state (inverted nipples, etc). But there are more and more of us who *would* have been able to breastfeed, but are simply too weak to produce breastmilk after a particularly violent birth experience (due to more doc interference these days with inductions, cesarians, drugs, etc). This happened to me and sadly, I was told by docs that my birth experience was " normal " . I do not fit into that 5% that was quoted, but I COULDN'T breastfeed. It was not a choice. > - > susancmt > Friday, January 16, 2004 9:05 AM > > Yes, some women " can't " breastfeed but this is like > saying someone " can't " learn to swim-the reality is that it is less > than 5% (again rsearch shows). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 Melanie -- My son had reflux so his dr. suggested trying soy formula at about 1 month. No change, but I kept him on it after reading Dr. Spock. His dr's did NOT think soy formula was inadequate. When he was 1, he refused cow's milk. I did 1/2 and 1/2 until about 1.5 with soy formula and soy milk. He was thin so staying on formula was not an issue. He's been on soy milk ever since (he's now 3.5). Lori >> At any rate, I wanted to ask. When she was born, the drs. we very blunt about stating soy formula is not as adequate a substitute for children, if they can drink the cow's milk formula, they should. So it is surprising to see people talking about feeding infants soy formula instead of breastfeeding, if they don't have a reaction to it. Melanie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 Did you try nursing? Or did the doctors tell you to not even bother? I am curious because I have a friend who lost a ton of blood during childbirth, she had a homebirth and had to be transferred to the hospital, it turns out that she has some kind of clotting disorder. She did need a transfusion, couldn't even stand on her own for a few weeks and bled for three months, she still nursed. Sara - " EARL BARKER " <bebarker96 Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:46 PM Re: Re: Disgusting Diet of Toddlers & Infants > I think it's great you were able to breastfeed. But just to clarify, I was talking about weakness from blood loss from being ripped in two, front to back, inside and out, ruptured cervix, etc. They did not do a blood transfusion and it was about two months before I could move without pain. This, the docs called normal. I otherwise should have been able to nurse, was in fact leaking constantly throughout pregnancy, but could not do anything but sleep for the weeks following the birth. > > - > Sara > Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:18 AM > most women do not produce milk right after birth anyway, it usually comes on > the third day. I was extremely weak after having my second son, I was in > labor for 22 hours, trying to push out a ten pound baby with his hand up > over his head, talk about exhausting! Anyway, it had not impact on milk > supply at all. > > - > " EARL BARKER " <bebarker96 > Saturday, January 17, 2004 1:29 PM > > That percentage only takes into account factors that would prohibit the > mother breastfeeding when she is in a healthy state (inverted nipples, etc). > But there are more and more of us who *would* have been able to breastfeed, > but are simply too weak to produce breastmilk after a particularly violent > birth experience (due to more doc interference these days with inductions, > cesarians, drugs, etc). This happened to me and sadly, I was told by docs > that my birth experience was " normal " . I do not fit into that 5% that was > quoted, but I COULDN'T breastfeed. It was not a choice. > > - > > susancmt > > Friday, January 16, 2004 9:05 AM > > > > Yes, some women " can't " breastfeed but this is like > > saying someone " can't " learn to swim-the reality is that it is less > > than 5% (again rsearch shows). > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 I started supplementing my daughter on soy formula when she was about 3 months old. Just a little because I didn't feel that I was adequately producing enough milk for her once I had started back to work. I started with just one bottle of formula (Allsoy) a day. Once I weaned her completely off breastmilk I started using Nestle Follow up soy especially for infants four months and older. I think introducing the formula only made my breastmilk supply decrease further and it was only a matter of time before she was consuming way more than I was producing. My dd doctor never expressed concern against soy formula. Only concern ever expressed was that my diet wasn't producing enough fat for milk production. And that I should eat more fatty foods to fix that so that I could continue to breastfeed as long as possible. Well I gained 65 pounds during my pregnancy and the idea of consuming large amounts of fatty foods was not appealing to me at that point in my life. So I continued my eating habits.. my milk supply continued to decrease and eventually the transition to soy seemed the right option for me. Oh and my daughter was tiny before.. once she went on soy formula she has been in the 90+ percentile in weight ever since. Renee Lori Lugar <llugar wrote: Melanie -- My son had reflux so his dr. suggested trying soy formula at about 1 month. No change, but I kept him on it after reading Dr. Spock. His dr's did NOT think soy formula was inadequate. When he was 1, he refused cow's milk. I did 1/2 and 1/2 until about 1.5 with soy formula and soy milk. He was thin so staying on formula was not an issue. He's been on soy milk ever since (he's now 3.5). Lori >> At any rate, I wanted to ask. When she was born, the drs. we very blunt about stating soy formula is not as adequate a substitute for children, if they can drink the cow's milk formula, they should. So it is surprising to see people talking about feeding infants soy formula instead of breastfeeding, if they don't have a reaction to it. Melanie For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 That is interesting. Thank you. It just really goes to show that some medical advise is no better than mum's advice because it is based on old research and opinions. Melanie , Lori Lugar <llugar@n...> wrote: > Melanie -- My son had reflux so his dr. suggested trying soy formula at > about 1 month. No change, but I kept him on it after reading Dr. Spock. > His dr's did NOT think soy formula was inadequate. When he was 1, he > refused cow's milk. I did 1/2 and 1/2 until about 1.5 with soy formula and > soy milk. He was thin so staying on formula was not an issue. He's been on > soy milk ever since (he's now 3.5). > > Lori > > >> At any rate, I wanted to ask. When she was born, the drs. we very blunt > about stating soy formula is not as adequate a substitute for children, if > they can drink the cow's milk formula, they should. So it is surprising to > see people talking about feeding infants soy formula instead of > breastfeeding, if they don't have a reaction to > it. > > Melanie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 Don't post here often, but just wanted to say that our ped's standard recommendation was for soy formula. To be honest I never asked why, as I was just happy there were going to be no issues about it. When our son got old enough for milk we asked about soy milk (I wanted to but my husband thought he should drink cow's milk so not to stand out from the crowd). He had no problem with soy milk either. Karen (mom to Rebecca and Jamie) - Lori Lugar ' ' Wednesday, January 21, 2004 9:10 AM Re: Disgusting Diet of Toddlers & Infants Melanie -- My son had reflux so his dr. suggested trying soy formula at about 1 month. No change, but I kept him on it after reading Dr. Spock. His dr's did NOT think soy formula was inadequate. When he was 1, he refused cow's milk. I did 1/2 and 1/2 until about 1.5 with soy formula and soy milk. He was thin so staying on formula was not an issue. He's been on soy milk ever since (he's now 3.5). Lori >> At any rate, I wanted to ask. When she was born, the drs. we very blunt about stating soy formula is not as adequate a substitute for children, if they can drink the cow's milk formula, they should. So it is surprising to see people talking about feeding infants soy formula instead of breastfeeding, if they don't have a reaction to it. Melanie For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 I am reading more and more about the benefits of soy formula/milk over cow's milk and formulas. It is amazing how with all the science and literature readily available, there are still drs. that look down on vegetarian diets and soy products. But they are still around. Melanie , " Karen Detling " <kdetling@c...> wrote: > Don't post here often, but just wanted to say that our ped's standard recommendation was for soy formula. To be honest I never asked why, as I was just happy there were going to be no issues about it. When our son got old enough for milk we asked about soy milk (I wanted to but my husband thought he should drink cow's milk so not to stand out from the crowd). He had no problem with soy milk either. > > Karen (mom to Rebecca and Jamie) > - > Lori Lugar > ' ' > Wednesday, January 21, 2004 9:10 AM > Re: Disgusting Diet of Toddlers & Infants > > > Melanie -- My son had reflux so his dr. suggested trying soy formula at > about 1 month. No change, but I kept him on it after reading Dr. Spock. > His dr's did NOT think soy formula was inadequate. When he was 1, he > refused cow's milk. I did 1/2 and 1/2 until about 1.5 with soy formula and > soy milk. He was thin so staying on formula was not an issue. He's been on > soy milk ever since (he's now 3.5). > > Lori > > >> At any rate, I wanted to ask. When she was born, the drs. we very blunt > about stating soy formula is not as adequate a substitute for children, if > they can drink the cow's milk formula, they should. So it is surprising to > see people talking about feeding infants soy formula instead of > breastfeeding, if they don't have a reaction to > it. > > Melanie > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 , " EARL BARKER " <bebarker96@m...> wrote: > This happened to me and sadly, I was told by docs that my birth experience was " normal " . I do not fit into that 5% that was quoted, but I COULDN'T breastfeed. It was not a choice. I'm sorry you had such a bad experience - I can sense your grief. I, too, had horrible, medicated births, and I grieve for the wonderful, natural experience that never happened and never will happen. That having been said, I had wonderful support and was able to breastfeed my children fully (including the one who was born with a severe birth defect and was in NICU for 27 days). It *can* be done, but you need to have good support - good lactation consultants, maybe a La Leche League leader, possibly a post-partum doula. I hope that if there is a next time for you, you will have those supports in place and will be able to have the birth of your dreams, and to breastfeed your child. There is nothing quite like it. Be well, Hadass in Winnipeg, Ima to Rafi, 7.75 y/o, Ari, 4.5 y/o, and Shira, 14 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 Melanie, What have you been reading about soy formula that's been positive? ~Doh --------- " You have to live every day as if it's your last, because one of these days, you're bound to be right. " ~Breaker Morant. > > " Melanie " <melaniekcasto > Re: Disgusting Diet of Toddlers & Infants > > I am reading more and more about the benefits of soy formula/milk > over cow's milk and formulas. It is amazing how with all the > science and literature readily available, there are still drs. that > look down on vegetarian diets and soy products. But they are still > around. > > Melanie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 Well, I have been reading that soy is better for children than milk and dairy. It was of great interest to me to read that dairy allergies can cause asthma, sore throats, ear infections, etc. due to its mucus causing effects. Taking a child, or adult, off dairy and onto soy can stop these problems. Considering that more than half the children in the US are allergic to dairy, and the signs are not neccessarily clear, that really makes soy a positive factor in our diets. Infact, since reading all of those symptoms, I have gone to the dr, and found out that I probably have a dairy allergy, and just but stopping my intake of dairy(we eat a lot of cheese) it has help me tremendously. Also reading that the intake of dairy may cause blockages on absorbing minerals and vitamins. When the forgien animal's protien is put into your body from milk and dairy, your body may fight it off as a forgien offender. Our bodies do not do that with plant based protiens. So we not only are getting what we need from soy, and fortified soy products, but we are getting more of what we need from them. You see, I grew up being taught that we need complete protiens from animal products, etc. So to find out that the animal protiecs can actually have an adverse effect on us, I was surprised. Plant protiens do not do the same. I really wish I could remember the web sites I was reading, but there have been so many of them lately. Those are just a few of the things I have read, and find positive about soy, over dairy. Melanie , Doh! <dohdriver> wrote: > Melanie, > What have you been reading about soy formula that's been positive? > ~Doh > --------- > " You have to live every day as if it's your last, because one of these days, > you're bound to be right. " ~Breaker Morant. > > > > > " Melanie " <melaniekcasto> > > Re: Disgusting Diet of Toddlers & Infants > > > > I am reading more and more about the benefits of soy formula/milk > > over cow's milk and formulas. It is amazing how with all the > > science and literature readily available, there are still drs. that > > look down on vegetarian diets and soy products. But they are still > > around. > > > > Melanie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Just catching up on some old posts here.... Hadass you are so right about the need for support!! I would add that in addition to lac. consults, LLL, and doulas, the most important support is the husband (or partner.) What a difference it makes if your husband is cheering you on, calling a LC for help, keeping you fed and hydrated, undrestanding that breastfeeding is hard but so worth it. In contrast to the husband who stands there saying, " oh, he's crying, you're tired, why not just give him a bottle? Here, I'll go buy some formula. " Talk about sabotage! Jen Lion's Ima wrote: > , " EARL BARKER " <bebarker96@m...> wrote: > > >>This happened to me and sadly, I was told by docs that my birth >> >> >experience was " normal " . I do not fit into that 5% that was quoted, >but I COULDN'T breastfeed. It was not a choice. > >I'm sorry you had such a bad experience - I can sense your grief. I, >too, had horrible, medicated births, and I grieve for the wonderful, >natural experience that never happened and never will happen. That >having been said, I had wonderful support and was able to breastfeed >my children fully (including the one who was born with a severe birth >defect and was in NICU for 27 days). It *can* be done, but you need to >have good support - good lactation consultants, maybe a La Leche >League leader, possibly a post-partum doula. I hope that if there is a >next time for you, you will have those supports in place and will be >able to have the birth of your dreams, and to breastfeed your child. >There is nothing quite like it. > >Be well, Hadass in Winnipeg, Ima to Rafi, 7.75 y/o, Ari, 4.5 y/o, and >Shira, 14 months. > > > >For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. > >edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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