Guest guest Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 Talking about soy milk, I read somewhere - I don't remember where because i did a LOT of reading lately- that carrageenan, also cointained in soy milk, is dangerous because can cause ulcerations and cancers of the gastrointestinal tract (as a result from animal studies and a review of the scientific literature). Do you know anything about it? Is there any soy milk available without carrageen? Ciao. Anna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 There are some brands out there without carrageenan. You just have to read ingredients. Good luck, Tracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 As vegetarians should we really be looking at these studies that use animals as tests? I would first like to have more info on doses of carragenan that these animals were forced to ingest - secondly there are plenty of soy milks without carragean - Vita Soy in the Asceptic containers is one (the refrigerated version does have it in it) --- AnnaRosaUsa wrote: > > Talking about soy milk, I read somewhere - I > don't remember where > because i did a LOT of reading lately- that > carrageenan, also cointained in soy > milk, is dangerous because can cause ulcerations and > cancers of the > gastrointestinal tract (as a result from animal > studies and a review of the scientific > literature). > > Do you know anything about it? > > Is there any soy milk available without carrageen? > > Ciao. > Anna > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please > visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for > materials especially useful for families go to > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list > and is not intended to provide personal medical > advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a > qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained > from a qualified health professional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 This is very concerning because where I live, we can only get two brands of soy milk, Sun Soy and Silk. Both containing the carrageenan. The non-refrigerated brands still have it in them, so far as I have seen, and taste really bad to boot. Melanie tracyinfo wrote: There are some brands out there without carrageenan. You just have to read ingredients. Good luck, Tracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2004 Report Share Posted February 25, 2004 I agree. Could someone post some resources to check out about the carrageenan matter. It seems that everything given in large doses causes cancer these days. I don't know what to be concerned with and what to dismiss. My children have drank Silk, which contains carrageenan, since weening. It is also in our soy yogurt, soy ice cream, vegetarian gelatin, etc. etc....and the list goes on. Lauren Niedel <lniedel wrote: As vegetarians should we really be looking at these studies that use animals as tests? I would first like to have more info on doses of carragenan that these animals were forced to ingest - secondly there are plenty of soy milks without carragean - Vita Soy in the Asceptic containers is one (the refrigerated version does have it in it) --- AnnaRosaUsa wrote: > > Talking about soy milk, I read somewhere - I > don't remember where > because i did a LOT of reading lately- that > carrageenan, also cointained in soy > milk, is dangerous because can cause ulcerations and > cancers of the > gastrointestinal tract (as a result from animal > studies and a review of the scientific > literature). > > Do you know anything about it? > > Is there any soy milk available without carrageen? > > Ciao. > Anna > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please > visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for > materials especially useful for families go to > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list > and is not intended to provide personal medical > advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a > qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained > from a qualified health professional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 , Heather <bellsofireland78> wrote: > I agree. Could someone post some resources to check out about the carrageenan matter. Sure thing! Recently Reed Mangels, PhD, RD, one of VRG's nutrition advisors looked in to this matter. Here's what she had to say: The only studies of carrageenan are in animals. There is no evidence of an association with cancer in humans. The type of carrageenan associated with cancer in animals is degraded carrageenan which is not used in food products. I know this has been getting a lot of publicity on the web but I haven't seen anything that convinces me that it causes cancer in humans. Here's the website of a fact sheet from the British Nutrition Foundation which is pretty good (http://www.nutrition.org.uk/medianews/pressinformation/carrageenen.htm). I'll let you know if I find out anything else. Reed I hope this helps. John Moderator, VRGParents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 I think I must have missed the original post, but could some please explain what carrageenana is? I sometimes buy SunSoy products. Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2004 Report Share Posted February 27, 2004 >>Heather <bellsofireland78 >>Could someone post some resources to check out about the carrageenan matter. " Carrageenan may cause stomach lesions, cancer " (http://www.enn.com/news/enn-stories/2001/10/10172001/s_45265.asp) BUT: " A cancer health scare concerning degraded carrageenan has recently been examined by the European Commission Scientific Committee on Food which found no evidence in support and states that carrageenan is safe to use in foods. " (http://www.cybercolloids.net/news/EU-carrageenan-opinion.pdf) AND From Toms of Maine website (http://www.tomsofmaine.com/faq/#carrageenan): Q: I have heard that carrageenan can have harmful effects on your health - why do you use it in your toothpaste? A; There are two forms of carrageenan - food-grade and degraded carrageenan. The carrageenan we use is food-grade. Food-grade carrageenan and degraded carrageenan are different ingredients. The former is a natural substance used as a binder in foods like ice cream, puddings, etc., and as the gelling agent in Tom’s Natural Toothpaste. The latter is a chemically treated form (hydrolyzed by acid) of the lower molecular weight and is used in France as a treatment for peptic ulcers. The food-grade carrageenan is not absorbed by the human stomach. It has been used in natural food products for more than 30 years with no adverse effects, and its safety has been assured by the FDA. We do a great deal of research to assure that the ingredients we use in our products are safe. The University of Iowa researchers* released a study in October, 2001, entitled " Carrageenan May Cause Lesions in GI Tract, or Cancer, " which caused some consumers concern about the use of this product. The safety of carrageenan for use in foods was confirmed at the fifty-seventh meeting of the Joint FAO/WHO (United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization and the World Health Organization) Expert Committee on Food Additives (the JECFA) in Rome in June of 2001. The JECFA recommended an Acceptable Daily Intake of " not specified " , the most favorable ADI a food additive can get. This is significant since the JECFA review was based on extensive safety studies, some of which were not addressed in the above referenced article that questioned the safety of carrageenan. *Tobacman: Env. Health Per., Vol. 109, No. 10, Oct. '01. Karen Get better spam protection with Mail. http://antispam./tools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2004 Report Share Posted February 28, 2004 Thank you very much! johncvrg <johnc wrote: , Heather <bellsofireland78> wrote: > I agree. Could someone post some resources to check out about the carrageenan matter. Sure thing! Recently Reed Mangels, PhD, RD, one of VRG's nutrition advisors looked in to this matter. Here's what she had to say: The only studies of carrageenan are in animals. There is no evidence of an association with cancer in humans. The type of carrageenan associated with cancer in animals is degraded carrageenan which is not used in food products. I know this has been getting a lot of publicity on the web but I haven't seen anything that convinces me that it causes cancer in humans. Here's the website of a fact sheet from the British Nutrition Foundation which is pretty good (http://www.nutrition.org.uk/medianews/pressinformation/carrageenen.htm). I'll let you know if I find out anything else. Reed I hope this helps. John Moderator, VRGParents For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2004 Report Share Posted February 28, 2004 Thanks John, that was a lot of help. Carageenen was something I never gave much thought to, due to it being on a lot of labels(haven't been to big on reading past the nutritional info in the past), and then to hear " How bad it is, " made me a little nervous, since there are a lot of things we buy that has it in there, especially soy milk. Haven't found one brand around here that didn't have it listed as an ingredient. Melanie johncvrg <johnc wrote: , Heather <bellsofireland78> wrote: > I agree. Could someone post some resources to check out about the carrageenan matter. Sure thing! Recently Reed Mangels, PhD, RD, one of VRG's nutrition advisors looked in to this matter. Here's what she had to say: The only studies of carrageenan are in animals. There is no evidence of an association with cancer in humans. The type of carrageenan associated with cancer in animals is degraded carrageenan which is not used in food products. I know this has been getting a lot of publicity on the web but I haven't seen anything that convinces me that it causes cancer in humans. Here's the website of a fact sheet from the British Nutrition Foundation which is pretty good (http://www.nutrition.org.uk/medianews/pressinformation/carrageenen.htm). I'll let you know if I find out anything else. Reed I hope this helps. John Moderator, VRGParents For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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