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Talking about soy milk, I read somewhere - I don't remember where

because i did a LOT of reading lately- that carrageenan, also cointained in

soy

milk, is dangerous because can cause ulcerations and cancers of the

gastrointestinal tract (as a result from animal studies and a review of the

scientific

literature).

 

Do you know anything about it?

 

Is there any soy milk available without carrageen?

 

Ciao.

Anna

 

 

 

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As vegetarians should we really be looking at these

studies that use animals as tests? I would first like

to have more info on doses of carragenan that these

animals were forced to ingest - secondly there are

plenty of soy milks without carragean - Vita Soy in

the Asceptic containers is one (the refrigerated

version does have it in it)

--- AnnaRosaUsa wrote:

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> Talking about soy milk, I read somewhere - I

> don't remember where

> because i did a LOT of reading lately- that

> carrageenan, also cointained in soy

> milk, is dangerous because can cause ulcerations and

> cancers of the

> gastrointestinal tract (as a result from animal

> studies and a review of the scientific

> literature).

>

> Do you know anything about it?

>

> Is there any soy milk available without carrageen?

>

> Ciao.

> Anna

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> For more information about vegetarianism, please

> visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for

> materials especially useful for families go to

> http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list

> and is not intended to provide personal medical

> advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

> qualified health professional.

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> edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained

> from a qualified health professional.

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This is very concerning because where I live, we can only get two brands of soy

milk, Sun Soy and Silk. Both containing the carrageenan. The non-refrigerated

brands still have it in them, so far as I have seen, and taste really bad to

boot.

 

Melanie

 

 

 

tracyinfo wrote: There are some brands out there without carrageenan.

You just have to read

ingredients. Good luck, Tracy

 

 

 

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I agree. Could someone post some resources to check out about the carrageenan

matter. It seems that everything given in large doses causes cancer these days.

I don't know what to be concerned with and what to dismiss. My children have

drank Silk, which contains carrageenan, since weening. It is also in our soy

yogurt, soy ice cream, vegetarian gelatin, etc. etc....and the list goes on.

 

Lauren Niedel <lniedel wrote:

As vegetarians should we really be looking at these

studies that use animals as tests? I would first like

to have more info on doses of carragenan that these

animals were forced to ingest - secondly there are

plenty of soy milks without carragean - Vita Soy in

the Asceptic containers is one (the refrigerated

version does have it in it)

--- AnnaRosaUsa wrote:

>

> Talking about soy milk, I read somewhere - I

> don't remember where

> because i did a LOT of reading lately- that

> carrageenan, also cointained in soy

> milk, is dangerous because can cause ulcerations and

> cancers of the

> gastrointestinal tract (as a result from animal

> studies and a review of the scientific

> literature).

>

> Do you know anything about it?

>

> Is there any soy milk available without carrageen?

>

> Ciao.

> Anna

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

>

> For more information about vegetarianism, please

> visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for

> materials especially useful for families go to

> http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list

> and is not intended to provide personal medical

> advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

> qualified health professional.

>

> edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained

> from a qualified health professional.

>

>

>

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, Heather <bellsofireland78> wrote:

> I agree. Could someone post some resources to check out about the

carrageenan matter.

 

Sure thing! Recently Reed Mangels, PhD, RD, one of VRG's nutrition

advisors looked in to this matter. Here's what she had to say:

 

 

The only studies of carrageenan are in animals. There is no evidence

of an association with cancer in humans. The type of carrageenan

associated with cancer in animals is degraded carrageenan which is not

used in food products. I know this has been getting a lot of

publicity on the web but I haven't seen anything that convinces me

that it causes cancer in humans. Here's the website of a fact sheet

from the British Nutrition Foundation which is pretty good

(http://www.nutrition.org.uk/medianews/pressinformation/carrageenen.htm).

I'll let you know if I find out anything else.

Reed

 

I hope this helps.

 

John

Moderator, VRGParents

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>>Heather <bellsofireland78

>>Could someone post some resources to check out about

the

carrageenan matter.

 

" Carrageenan may cause stomach lesions, cancer "

(http://www.enn.com/news/enn-stories/2001/10/10172001/s_45265.asp)

 

BUT:

 

" A cancer health scare concerning degraded carrageenan

has recently been examined by the European Commission

Scientific Committee on Food which found no evidence

in support and states that carrageenan is safe to use

in foods. "

(http://www.cybercolloids.net/news/EU-carrageenan-opinion.pdf)

 

AND

 

From Toms of Maine website

(http://www.tomsofmaine.com/faq/#carrageenan):

 

Q: I have heard that carrageenan can have harmful

effects on your health - why do you use it in your

toothpaste?

 

A; There are two forms of carrageenan - food-grade and

degraded carrageenan. The carrageenan we use is

food-grade. Food-grade carrageenan and degraded

carrageenan are different ingredients. The former is a

natural substance used as a binder in foods like ice

cream, puddings, etc., and as the gelling agent in

Tom’s Natural Toothpaste. The latter is a chemically

treated form (hydrolyzed by acid) of the lower

molecular weight and is used in France as a treatment

for peptic ulcers.

 

The food-grade carrageenan is not absorbed by the

human stomach. It has been used in natural food

products for more than 30 years with no adverse

effects, and its safety has been assured by the FDA.

We do a great deal of research to assure that the

ingredients we use in our products are safe.

 

The University of Iowa researchers* released a study

in October, 2001, entitled " Carrageenan May Cause

Lesions in GI Tract, or Cancer, " which caused some

consumers concern about the use of this product. The

safety of carrageenan for use in foods was confirmed

at the fifty-seventh meeting of the Joint FAO/WHO

(United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization and

the World Health Organization) Expert Committee on

Food Additives (the JECFA) in Rome in June of 2001.

The JECFA recommended an Acceptable Daily Intake of

" not specified " , the most favorable ADI a food

additive can get. This is significant since the JECFA

review was based on extensive safety studies, some of

which were not addressed in the above referenced

article that questioned the safety of carrageenan.

 

*Tobacman: Env. Health Per., Vol. 109, No. 10, Oct.

'01.

 

 

Karen

 

 

 

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Thank you very much!

 

johncvrg <johnc wrote: , Heather

<bellsofireland78> wrote:

> I agree. Could someone post some resources to check out about the

carrageenan matter.

 

Sure thing! Recently Reed Mangels, PhD, RD, one of VRG's nutrition

advisors looked in to this matter. Here's what she had to say:

 

 

The only studies of carrageenan are in animals. There is no evidence

of an association with cancer in humans. The type of carrageenan

associated with cancer in animals is degraded carrageenan which is not

used in food products. I know this has been getting a lot of

publicity on the web but I haven't seen anything that convinces me

that it causes cancer in humans. Here's the website of a fact sheet

from the British Nutrition Foundation which is pretty good

(http://www.nutrition.org.uk/medianews/pressinformation/carrageenen.htm).

I'll let you know if I find out anything else.

Reed

 

I hope this helps.

 

John

Moderator, VRGParents

 

 

 

 

For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to

provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

qualified health professional.

 

edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health

professional.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks John, that was a lot of help. Carageenen was something I never gave much

thought to, due to it being on a lot of labels(haven't been to big on reading

past the nutritional info in the past), and then to hear " How bad it is, " made

me a little nervous, since there are a lot of things we buy that has it in

there, especially soy milk. Haven't found one brand around here that didn't

have it listed as an ingredient.

 

Melanie

 

 

 

johncvrg <johnc wrote: , Heather

<bellsofireland78> wrote:

> I agree. Could someone post some resources to check out about the

carrageenan matter.

 

Sure thing! Recently Reed Mangels, PhD, RD, one of VRG's nutrition

advisors looked in to this matter. Here's what she had to say:

 

 

The only studies of carrageenan are in animals. There is no evidence

of an association with cancer in humans. The type of carrageenan

associated with cancer in animals is degraded carrageenan which is not

used in food products. I know this has been getting a lot of

publicity on the web but I haven't seen anything that convinces me

that it causes cancer in humans. Here's the website of a fact sheet

from the British Nutrition Foundation which is pretty good

(http://www.nutrition.org.uk/medianews/pressinformation/carrageenen.htm).

I'll let you know if I find out anything else.

Reed

 

I hope this helps.

 

John

Moderator, VRGParents

 

 

 

 

For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to

provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

qualified health professional.

 

edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health

professional.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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