Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 > I was thinking she probably needs about 70-80 grams of protein a day. In a > typical day I'm eating over a 100g. > Renee YOU EAT 100 G OF PROTEIN A DAY??? You think her requirement is 70-80??? Wow. That's a whole lotta protein. How on earth do you get that much? I don't eat enough food to get 100g of protein out of it. Most vegetarian sources will say that we really only need about 25-35 g for adults, maybe a bit higher for an active teen. Doh --------- " There is *never* a good reason not to be as loving as you can possibly be. " ~Rob Brezny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Yeah, I seem to recall that you only need about 1-1.5 grams of protein per KG of body weight. - " Doh! " <dohdriver Friday, May 28, 2004 7:52 AM 100 g of protein?!?! > > I was thinking she probably needs about 70-80 grams of protein a day. In a > > typical day I'm eating over a 100g. > > Renee > > YOU EAT 100 G OF PROTEIN A DAY??? You think her requirement is 70-80??? > Wow. That's a whole lotta protein. How on earth do you get that much? I > don't eat enough food to get 100g of protein out of it. > Most vegetarian sources will say that we really only need about 25-35 g for > adults, maybe a bit higher for an active teen. > Doh > --------- > " There is *never* a good reason not to be as loving as you can possibly be. " > ~Rob Brezny > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Actually I took 115 pounds (which is how much I weighed at 14 and I was extremely thin) and mulitiplied by .6 (for a fairly active person) which gave me 69. I said 70-80 as a high guess. Now for how much protein I need I take 145 pounds and multiply times .7 which gives me 101g. Because I'm not only active (running 15-30 miles a week) I'm also doing extensive weight lifting 3 days a week plus yoga. I don't know how much exercise this little girl is doing but its probably not on the level that I do. And like I said I swam competitively in High School and College.. and I think my diet was mostly carbs then for energy. I eat a lot of protein now because I am trying to get my body fat % down and build muscle. I'll post a typical day's diet (and its breakdown) in another post. Renee Doh! <dohdriver wrote: > I was thinking she probably needs about 70-80 grams of protein a day. In a > typical day I'm eating over a 100g. > Renee YOU EAT 100 G OF PROTEIN A DAY??? You think her requirement is 70-80??? Wow. That's a whole lotta protein. How on earth do you get that much? I don't eat enough food to get 100g of protein out of it. Most vegetarian sources will say that we really only need about 25-35 g for adults, maybe a bit higher for an active teen. Doh --------- " There is *never* a good reason not to be as loving as you can possibly be. " ~Rob Brezny For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 disclaimer my diet is not vegan.. some things I eat may contain small amounts of egg whites, dairy, or honey. I don't think eggs and dairy are healthy and try to avoid them but if they are down the list in ingredients I may still eat the food. Like casein in soy cheese for example. Breakfast Extra large Cinnamon Raisin Bagel with Better than Cream Cheese 364 calories, 10g Protein. Soy Latte 8 oz glass 170 calories, 5 g Protein Midmorning snack O’soy yoghurt 110 calories, 5g Protein Lunch Two Smart Deli Sandwiches with Soy Cheese on Light Wheat Bread 360 calories, 48g Protein Also with lunch 2 rolls of grape leaves stuffed with rice... I’m a sucker for these things and usually eat at least 2 a day. 181 calories, 3g of Protein. Post-workout Snack usually in car on the way home from gym 4 pieces of Tofurkey Jurky 100 calories, 12g Protein Dinner Herb Crusted Cutlet and 2 cups broccoli 257 calories, 19g Protein GRAND TOTAL: 1542 calories, 45g Fat, 205g of carbs, 102g of Protein Approximately 50% calories from carbohydrates, 25% from protein and 25% from fat. This is a core of my diet… I can and usually do eat more than this. I’m highly likely to eat a whole bag of tofurkey Jurky on my way home from the gym. If I get hungry before the gym I might eat a Luna bar, which is 180 calories, 10g of Protein. And I might eat 3 or 4 grape leaf rolls. Soy Latte is pretty much the only thing I drink with calories. I usually drink fruit 2O or something with little or no calories otherwise. So anyway you can see I get well over 100g of protein a day. Renee Doh! <dohdriver wrote: YOU EAT 100 G OF PROTEIN A DAY??? You think her requirement is 70-80??? Wow. That's a whole lotta protein. How on earth do you get that much? I don't eat enough food to get 100g of protein out of it. Most vegetarian sources will say that we really only need about 25-35 g for adults, maybe a bit higher for an active teen. Doh --------- " There is *never* a good reason not to be as loving as you can possibly be. " ~Rob Brezny For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 that is tons of protein.... the only time i have heard of needing 100 grams is during pregnancy. how do you get that much? i am struggling to get close to that each day. tara - " Doh! " <dohdriver Friday, May 28, 2004 7:52 AM 100 g of protein?!?! > > I was thinking she probably needs about 70-80 grams of protein a day. In a > > typical day I'm eating over a 100g. > > Renee > > YOU EAT 100 G OF PROTEIN A DAY??? You think her requirement is 70-80??? > Wow. That's a whole lotta protein. How on earth do you get that much? I > don't eat enough food to get 100g of protein out of it. > Most vegetarian sources will say that we really only need about 25-35 g for > adults, maybe a bit higher for an active teen. > Doh > --------- > " There is *never* a good reason not to be as loving as you can possibly be. " > ~Rob Brezny > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 I came across some formula to figure out how much protein we need. This was a couple years ago and for her weight then and being athletic came to 55 grams. This year I was going to aim for 60, but she probably does need the 70 to 80 grams. My daughter has put on weight since then so probably needs more. Right now I figure we're lucky to get 30 to 35 in her, but I should do better. I know I don't get much over that. It is overwhelming to think I really need to double the amount of protein for her to be healthy and really compete with some of the more muscular girls. I'm really going to try this year though. I can't imagine how we'd get to 100 though without meat. I'm sure it can be done, especially if you use lots of soy. Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 There is a pretty good article on protein requirements for different phases of life (i.e. non-athletes, pregnant and breastfeeding women, recuperating patients, and athletes) at: http://www.vegparadise.com/protein.html The article also gives info about vegan sources of protein, and problems caused by too much protein. It gives several charts listing the protein content of many differing types of foods, excluding living being sources. God's Peace, Gayle - <jjalrs Friday, May 28, 2004 7:54 PM Re: 100 g of protein?!?! > I came across some formula to figure out how much protein we need. This was a > couple years ago and for her weight then and being athletic came to 55 grams. > This year I was going to aim for 60, but she probably does need the 70 to 80 > grams. My daughter has put on weight since then so probably needs more. > > Right now I figure we're lucky to get 30 to 35 in her, but I should do > better. I know I don't get much over that. It is overwhelming to think I really > need to double the amount of protein for her to be healthy and really compete > with some of the more muscular girls. I'm really going to try this year though. I > can't imagine how we'd get to 100 though without meat. I'm sure it can be > done, especially if you use lots of soy. > > Julie > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 Wow! My diet isn't perfect either, so I don't mean to criticize. But that list didn't exactly leave much room for fresh fruits and veggies! - Renee Carroll Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:26 AM Re: 100 g of protein?!?! GRAND TOTAL: 1542 calories, 45g Fat, 205g of carbs, 102g of Protein Approximately 50% calories from carbohydrates, 25% from protein and 25% from fat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 Renee, Wow, I'm impressed. Now if only I exercised and ate that well! My daughter is about 95 lbs. at 5'2. I was guessing about 60 grams of protein during the summer, so you were pretty close. Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Not necessarily......the info I have suggests that 60-65g per day is adequate protein intake during pregnancy. This seems about right for me, since my non-pregnancy protein needs (based on my ideal body weight) are around 40g a day. I don't think I could take in enough food on a daily basis to get anywhere near 100g a day, unless I based my entire diet on soy, which I wouldn't consider healthy. Maria tara <tara wrote: that is tons of protein.... the only time i have heard of needing 100 grams is during pregnancy. how do you get that much? i am struggling to get close to that each day. tara > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 depends... there is a school of thought (mainly bradley teachers and midwives) that support a dr. brewer http://www.blueribbonbaby.org/ and his diet during pregnancy that advocates 100 grams of protein to decrease the chances of getting pre eclampsia. i have heard nothing but success stories following this diet and since i had very severe pre eclampsia my first pregnancy i am following this as much as possible. it has ment re-adding cheese and eggs(on the very few days i can stomach them) to my diet. i do rely on soy to get the extra protein but i do consume a lot of beans and nuts which is helping as well, though most days i am still coming up short tara - " Maria Rasmussen " <amigosaqui Wednesday, June 02, 2004 12:52 AM Re: 100 g of protein?!?! > Not necessarily......the info I have suggests that 60-65g per day is adequate protein intake during pregnancy. This seems about right for me, since my non-pregnancy protein needs (based on my ideal body weight) are around 40g a day. I don't think I could take in enough food on a daily basis to get anywhere near 100g a day, unless I based my entire diet on soy, which I wouldn't consider healthy. > > Maria > > > tara <tara wrote: > that is tons of protein.... the only time i have heard of needing 100 grams > is during pregnancy. > how do you get that much? i am struggling to get close to that each day. > > tara > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 really?? I have never heard this. I have no idea how much protein I was taking in while I was pregnant because I only started tracking what I am eating a couple of years ago. My doctors refused to diagnose me with preeclampsia. I guess they thought by pretending like I didn't have it it would make it go away. I had high bloodpressure, swelling in my hands and feet and legs, protein in my urine, all signs having preeclampsia. It would've been nice if someone had suggested something to treat it instead of pretending like i was fine. Anyway I will keep this in mind if I am ever pregnant again. Since I'm currently eating 100grams a day I can't imagine it would be hard to keep up with all the hunger I felt when I was pregnant the first time around. Renee tara <tara wrote: depends... there is a school of thought (mainly bradley teachers and midwives) that support a dr. brewer http://www.blueribbonbaby.org/ and his diet during pregnancy that advocates 100 grams of protein to decrease the chances of getting pre eclampsia. i have heard nothing but success stories following this diet and since i had very severe pre eclampsia my first pregnancy i am following this as much as possible. it has ment re-adding cheese and eggs(on the very few days i can stomach them) to my diet. i do rely on soy to get the extra protein but i do consume a lot of beans and nuts which is helping as well, though most days i am still coming up short tara Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Regarding the discussion of protein needs, I thought the following excerpt from Jennifer Raymond's great vegan cookbook " The Peaceful Palate " might be useful. I can say that, hands down, the most common response I get from meat eaters when I say I'm a vegetarian is " but how do you get enough protein? " and most people are surprised to hear how little protein the average human body actually needs. They are also surprised to hear about the serious negative consequences of getting too much protein. ---------------- I suspect that a " person-on-the-street " interviewer posing the question " What is the most important nutrient? " would get an almost unanimous response: PROTEIN! And if he or she followed that question with one about where we get our protein, the answer again would be fairly unanimous: meat, eggs, and dairy products. To put it mildly, Americans have a protein obsession, and probably not by accident. The meat and dairy industries spend billions each year, on radio, television, and in our schools, " educating " us about the importance of protein, and where to get this most valuable of nutrients. While protein is indeed necessary for the growth, repair and maintenance of the body, we actually need rather small amounts to meet our requirements. An adult woman needs 44 grams of protein each day (less than two ounces); an adult man needs 56 grams (about two ounces). To put this in perspective, the average meat-eating American consumes between 100 and 150 grams of protein each day! A lacto-ovo vegetarian eats about 90 grams of protein each day, and the average vegan ..daily consumes about 76 grams of protein..... Health experts now recognize that most Americans eat too much protein, resulting in negative consequences including kidney disease and osteoporosis. When more protein is consumed than is necessary, the excess is burned for energy or converted to fat and stored. For this to happen, the nitrogen which is part of the protein molecule must be removed in the liver and excreted by the kidneys. As a result, both the liver and kidneys are overworked when excess protein is consumed. In addition, consumption of excess protein, particularly animal protein, causes calcium to be excreted in the urine. The source of this urinary calcium is the bones. Unfortunately, we cannot compensate for this calcium loss by eating calcium-rich foods or taking supplements, because our bodies simply will not absorb calcium fast enough to equal the losses. As a result, a person on a high protein diet is constantly losing more calcium from the bones than is being replaced, eventually leading to weakening of the bones and osteoporosis. The way to prevent this problem is to decrease protein intake, and the easiest way to do this is to eliminate meat, dairy products, and eggs. The foods which are left - grains, beans, nuts, vegetables, and fruits - provide plenty of protein to meet all the body's requirements without overloading it with protein as animal foods do. It should be noted that vegetable proteins do not cause as much calcium to be lost in the urine as do animal proteins. Thus, even though vegetarians and vegans exceed the protein requirement, their risk of osteoporosis is less than that of meat eaters. ------------ Jennifer also goes on to address what she calls a myth that athletes need extra protein to meet increased demands on their bodies. She says " While athletes may require slightly more protein than sedentary individuals, that amount is easily met by consumption of a normal diet. The protein requirement set by the U.S. government is purposely high to cover the requirements of athletes and those performing strenuous activities. Athletes need more calories, to cover their increased energy output, and these calories should come from carbohydrate, the body's perfect energy food. " Hope this helps. Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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