whine

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I have gotten so tired of eating the same ol things, over and over again.

My son is down to just a handful of items (being picky these days, but it's

not entirely his fault his palate has shrunk), which I have to rotate

between 3 meals and 3 snacks per day. I am too busy to find new recipes,

too tired to cook. I am putting his measly lunch/snacks together at 6:45 in

the morning, and when I'm not working, I'm trying to get something for us to

eat *fast* because we're both starving. We don't like the same foods.

 

I want a personal chef (waaahh)! I am so close to giving up the vegan

effort. I'm too tired, too bored and too busy for this.

 

[Words of encouragement or sympathy or get-your-ass-moving are welcome here.

However, do not even begin to suggest going thru cookbooks/websites for " new

ideas. " ]

 

Doh

(It's PMS.)

[Guest guest]

Doh

 

I was feeling this way awhile ago. It will pass. :)Madeline

 

 

>Doh! <dohdriver

>

>,Seattle Veg

><seattleveggiefamilies >,vegan parenting

><VeganParenting >,Erin Pavlina

><editor,Rebecca Hess

><chelseamorning15,<dohdriver

> whine

>Mon, 13 Sep 2004 23:36:32 -0700

>

>I have gotten so tired of eating the same ol things, over and over again.

>My son is down to just a handful of items (being picky these days, but it's

>not entirely his fault his palate has shrunk), which I have to rotate

>between 3 meals and 3 snacks per day. I am too busy to find new recipes,

>too tired to cook. I am putting his measly lunch/snacks together at 6:45

>in

>the morning, and when I'm not working, I'm trying to get something for us

>to

>eat *fast* because we're both starving. We don't like the same foods.

>

>I want a personal chef (waaahh)! I am so close to giving up the vegan

>effort. I'm too tired, too bored and too busy for this.

>

>[Words of encouragement or sympathy or get-your-ass-moving are welcome

>here.

>However, do not even begin to suggest going thru cookbooks/websites for

> " new

>ideas. " ]

>

>Doh

>(It's PMS.)

>

>

 

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Don't give up. Have you thought purchasing already prepared vegan

meals. Just pop in the microwave or oven and walk away until you

hear the beep. That's how I do it on the days when I get off of work

and can't bring myself to look at the stove. For breakfast I give my

daughter cereal and milk with a glass of orange juice. You'll be

just fine. I'm a new vegan with a 5 year old daughter who's still

trying to figure out why we don't eat chicken any more (smile).

 

, Doh! <dohdriver> wrote:

> I have gotten so tired of eating the same ol things, over and over

again.

> My son is down to just a handful of items (being picky these days,

but it's

> not entirely his fault his palate has shrunk), which I have to

rotate

> between 3 meals and 3 snacks per day. I am too busy to find new

recipes,

> too tired to cook. I am putting his measly lunch/snacks together

at 6:45 in

> the morning, and when I'm not working, I'm trying to get something

for us to

> eat *fast* because we're both starving. We don't like the same

foods.

>

> I want a personal chef (waaahh)! I am so close to giving up the

vegan

> effort. I'm too tired, too bored and too busy for this.

>

> [Words of encouragement or sympathy or get-your-ass-moving are

welcome here.

> However, do not even begin to suggest going thru cookbooks/websites

for " new

> ideas. " ]

>

> Doh

> (It's PMS.)

[Guest guest]

You have probobly tried this but one way that my family helps to stay

out of a food rut is by the ever changeable stir fry. We could make

stir fry two or three times a week and it is always different, but

always easy to make.

 

1. we alter the grain each time between rice, quinoa, amaranth,

couscous, or pasta.

2. we alter the protein (or leave it out all together) between black

beans, chick peas, tofu, seitan, " chicken " strips, or " steak " strips.

3. we alter the veggies based on what we have on hand at the time

but always include at least one of the following - corn, brocolli, or

peas. which are pretty much the only veggies our daughter will

eat. then we just add in more veggies for my husband and I.

4. we alter what kind of stir fry sauce we use, how much we use, or

if we add any spices.

 

With this - you get something different every time and its easy to

keep stocked up on a variety of grains, pastas, and dried or canned

beans.

 

Another good way to add variety is soup. throw whatever veggies you

have on hand in a pot with veggie broth, beans, and pre-cooked rice

(left over from night before). add in some avocado for an additional

kick.

 

hope this helps inspire you out of your rut!

 

, Doh! <dohdriver> wrote:

> I have gotten so tired of eating the same ol things, over and over

again.

[Guest guest]

> " shellydc7 " <shellydc7

> Re: whine

>

> Don't give up. Have you thought purchasing already prepared vegan

> meals. Just pop in the microwave or oven and walk away until you

> hear the beep. That's how I do it on the days when I get off of work

> and can't bring myself to look at the stove. For breakfast I give my

> daughter cereal and milk with a glass of orange juice. You'll be

> just fine. I'm a new vegan with a 5 year old daughter who's still

> trying to figure out why we don't eat chicken any more (smile).

 

Well, prepared foods are just too expensive to do very much, and I don't own

a microwave. Ovens take so long that it's no longer a convenience food!

My ds doesn't like cereal (although he wants me to buy it every time we're

at the store!) and is also tired of being vegan, which doesn't help my

humor. But I think I'll get over this phase, because I can't even imagine

eating dairy and eggs again. Ewwwww!

Doh

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[Guest guest]

I have recently rediscovered my crockpot. Chili, mac n cheese, rice

dishes. Easy to throw together (some are even cheap!) The house smells great

and no one realizes you didn't even " cook " Add a salad, a side of fruit and

your done!

 

 

, Doh! <dohdriver> wrote:

> I have gotten so tired of eating the same ol things, over and over

again.

> My son is down to just a handful of items (being picky these days,

but it's

> not entirely his fault his palate has shrunk), which I have to

rotate

> between 3 meals and 3 snacks per day. I am too busy to find new

recipes,

> too tired to cook. I am putting his measly lunch/snacks together

at 6:45 in

> the morning, and when I'm not working, I'm trying to get something

for us to

> eat *fast* because we're both starving. We don't like the same

foods.

>

> I want a personal chef (waaahh)! I am so close to giving up the

vegan

> effort. I'm too tired, too bored and too busy for this.

>

> [Words of encouragement or sympathy or get-your-ass-moving are

welcome here.

> However, do not even begin to suggest going thru cookbooks/websites

for " new

> ideas. " ]

>

> Doh

> (It's PMS.)

 

 

 

 

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Doh

 

Last night we had pancakes from dinner. From an organic mix-though not ww as

I could only find the white (unbleached) stuff. I have used ww in the past.

Oh, I just use rice milk and no egg regardless of what the recipe calls for.

I don't even bother with egg replacer. I used to add olive oil and

applesauce for consistency but find I don't need to. We had them with

berries. Now that it is apple season, we'll go and pick them together this

weekend and I'll make applecrisp. Some might think this is not a healthy

dinner but I have no problem with it as it is only apples, cinnamon, oats,

honey and butter or marg. My son might have veggies and dip or cup-a-miso

with seaweed as well if he is hungry. I'll make a large pan on Sunday and we

will eat probably 2 or 3 nights. We sometimes add yougurt, almonds, raisins,

other friut, depending on what we feel like-especially on night 2 or 3.

Also, as corn is in season, we boil up a couple and my son will eat

them-though only if they are on the cob. Also, noodles with a variety of

things such as nut. yeast,

HTH, Madeline

 

 

>Doh! <dohdriver

>

>

> Re: whine

>Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:22:29 -0700

>

> > " shellydc7 " <shellydc7

> > Re: whine

> >

> > Don't give up. Have you thought purchasing already prepared vegan

> > meals. Just pop in the microwave or oven and walk away until you

> > hear the beep. That's how I do it on the days when I get off of work

> > and can't bring myself to look at the stove. For breakfast I give my

> > daughter cereal and milk with a glass of orange juice. You'll be

> > just fine. I'm a new vegan with a 5 year old daughter who's still

> > trying to figure out why we don't eat chicken any more (smile).

>

>Well, prepared foods are just too expensive to do very much, and I don't

>own

>a microwave. Ovens take so long that it's no longer a convenience food!

>My ds doesn't like cereal (although he wants me to buy it every time we're

>at the store!) and is also tired of being vegan, which doesn't help my

>humor. But I think I'll get over this phase, because I can't even imagine

>eating dairy and eggs again. Ewwwww!

>Doh

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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Jodi wrote:

 

> I have recently rediscovered my crockpot. Chili, mac n cheese, rice

> dishes. Easy to throw together (some are even cheap!) The house smells great

> and no one realizes you didn't even " cook " Add a salad, a side of fruit and

> your done!

 

Where do you find your crockpot recipes? I've got a crockpot I've never

used and I'd love to change that, but I don't know where to find appealing

vegan recipes.

 

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The brilliant Cerebron, attacking the problem analytically, discovered

three distinct kinds of dragon: the mythical, the chimerical, and the

purely hypothetical. They were all, one might say, nonexistent, but each

nonexisted in an entirely different way ...

-- Stanislaw Lem, " Cyberiad "

[Guest guest]

Oh Doh,

 

Don't give up! I can totally relate and you'll get through it. (In fact little

do you know that throughout the last couple of years your posts have often been

the words of wisdom I have needed to get me going again) Maybe some of my ideas

can finally help you this time.

 

I'm not sure how old your ds is but I have recently realized that life is so

much easier when I let go and let the kids do some of the work for me. My kids

are dd-7yrs and ds-4 3/4yrs, and they both love to cook. If I really don't feel

like cooking I try to use those days to let them make dinner. It's simple

things like salad, sandwiches, or pizza ( tortilla, bagel, pita bread , or

whatever we have around the house at the moment) pasta is a pretty reliable

stand by.

 

Another thing that I do is that when I do feel like cooking I try to make

extras and keep it in the fridge or freezer and maximize my cooking time by

making things that can be used for several meals. For example, a big pot of

chili can be a bowl of chili, chili mac, chili dogs, chili over potatoes (

baked, boiled, fried, hashbrowns, or even mashed), covered with cornbread batter

and baked for tamale caserole, rolled in a tortilla , or even used as the

" sauce " for pizza, (especially good with a mix of veggie cheeses).

 

Other things I usually make extra of are soups, beans, chickpeas, pasta, rice,

or couscous ( by the way if you like couscous the Fantastic brand takes just

five minutes from boiling water, which can be substitued with broth, or a

variety of other heated liquids ( your choice of hot milk, soup, hot veggie or

fruit juice, coconut milk) . Add to that cooked beans, chopped cooked or raw

veggies, chopped tofu, veggie dogs, etc. whatever you like. Very fast, easy, and

as nutritious as what you choose to put in it.

 

Mac and Chreese by Roads End Organics is also an easy stand by for us, it can be

bought online in individual boxes or in bulk. We like this as we can have it

with or without the sauce mix and the sauce mix is an easy topping for veggies

as well. The kids love to mix chunks of tofo pieces of chopped veggies,

croutons, chopped veggiedogs and more to theirs.

 

Another thing that is good to keep around is pizza/ bread/ roll/ bisquit/

cressent/ dough. These are easily topped or stuffed with almost anything and

don't take too long to bake.

 

I don't know whether your not having a microwave is because of cost or that you

just choose not to have one... but I find mine to be extremely useful!!!

Especially if the model has some of the one touch features. So simple, my kids

could use it ( if they used a stool and I removed the food for them (burn

control) because ours is built in and out of their normal reach) I especially

like to steam veggies in it.

 

Those sandwich grills ( or even the foreman type I've heard but haven tried) are

great for grilled veggies and or stuffed sandwiches..very quick and easy. If you

haven't gotten one of those it is also easy to slice veggies and grill quickly

on broil in the oven. My hubbies fav is grilled veggie sandwiches done this way.

I usually add a secret sauce usually similar to thousand island dressing but my

confession is that it can be whatever I just happen to have around ( seasoning

wise) mixed with veganaise, a little ketchup or or salsa or whatever condiments

feel good that day. I'm a bit of a reckless/adventurous cook but it usually

turns out ok as I have a fairly good sense of my familie's tastes.

 

I never did get a crockpot, but my ricecooker is used often. and not just for

rice.... I sometimes add veggies and/or seasonings to it before it cooks. Mine

also has a steamer basket on top which I use often, but before my old cooker

died I used to place veggies right on top of the rice and they stemed well that

way to. I get a whole meal in one pot... I must admit that it is not that fast

but if I set it up and start it before homework than it is done by the time we

are ready to eat and keeps it warm if we are not ready when it is. it can also

cook beans and soups and other types of caseroles as well. That was a good

investment in our house.

 

I've heard that pressure cookers make great timesavers also but I have yet to

invest in one of those so far either.

 

I hope that I haven't over whelmed you but overall, my best advice is to try buy

a variety of quicker staples around and mix and match the toppings you'll be

amazed at what your creativity and certainly what your ds will be able to come

up with. Being that your ds and you may/do have different tastes these add your

own toppings ideas may meet your needs better than the casarole type things.

 

Good luck and keep going!

 

Debbie

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Here's some site that have vegan or vegetarian crock pot recipes:

http://www.stretcher.com/stories/980702d.cfm chili and beans, only a few

http://www.cdkitchen.com/recipes/recs/67/Vegan_Layered_Dinner57435.shtml

they give good directions

www.vegsource.com also has some good ones.

 

 

Chili is the favorite in my house. I add 4 cans of beans (kidney, white,

black, garbonzo) 2 large cans of diceed tomatoes (hunt's with roasted garlic

is my favorite) I add sauted onions and minced garlic, cumin, and sometimes

even rice or corn. I used to put in celery, but my 9 yr old doesn't like

them anymore. I throw it together in the morning, cook it on medium (about

300 according to mine) and it's done at dinner time. And the smell....yum.

I've found that Chili is hard to mess up

 

 

 

 

Patricia Bullington-McGuire [patricia]

Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:25 AM

 

RE: Re: whine

 

 

On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Jodi wrote:

 

> I have recently rediscovered my crockpot. Chili, mac n cheese, rice

> dishes. Easy to throw together (some are even cheap!) The house smells

great

> and no one realizes you didn't even " cook " Add a salad, a side of fruit

and

> your done!

 

Where do you find your crockpot recipes? I've got a crockpot I've never

used and I'd love to change that, but I don't know where to find appealing

vegan recipes.

 

----

Patricia Bullington-McGuire <patricia

 

The brilliant Cerebron, attacking the problem analytically, discovered

three distinct kinds of dragon: the mythical, the chimerical, and the

purely hypothetical. They were all, one might say, nonexistent, but each

nonexisted in an entirely different way ...

-- Stanislaw Lem, " Cyberiad "

 

 

 

For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

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provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

qualified health professional.

 

edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health

professional.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, Doh! <dohdriver> wrote:

> I have gotten so tired of eating the same ol things, over and over

again.

 

Lots of encouragement and sympathy coming ... but also a suggestion.

Not a cookbook website, but you might want to visit the FlyLady

website, and by extension, the Saving Dinner website. You can get a

menu mailer type thing, which will send you weekly recipes that always

have a vegetarian alternative (and from what I've seen, either vegan

or easily made so). You might want to have a look, anyway. It's as

close to a personal chef as most of us can afford <grin>.

 

Flylady is at www.flylady.net, I don't remember the other one, but

it's linked from there. Good luck!

 

Shanah tovah to all those celebrating!

 

Be well, Hadass.

[Guest guest]

I have ben d to menu mailer for some time now and love it Theres

always new and interesting things and always a vegetarian option for every

recipe.

 

Lion's Ima <heviatar wrote: , Doh!

<dohdriver> wrote:

> I have gotten so tired of eating the same ol things, over and over

again.

 

Lots of encouragement and sympathy coming ... but also a suggestion.

Not a cookbook website, but you might want to visit the FlyLady

website, and by extension, the Saving Dinner website. You can get a

menu mailer type thing, which will send you weekly recipes that always

have a vegetarian alternative (and from what I've seen, either vegan

or easily made so). You might want to have a look, anyway. It's as

close to a personal chef as most of us can afford <grin>.

 

Flylady is at www.flylady.net, I don't remember the other one, but

it's linked from there. Good luck!

 

Shanah tovah to all those celebrating!

 

Be well, Hadass.

 

 

 

 

For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to

provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

qualified health professional.

 

edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health

professional.

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> Abitof Mystique <a_bit_of_mystique

> Re: whine

>

> Oh Doh,

> Don't give up! I can totally relate and you'll get through it. (In fact

> little do you know that throughout the last couple of years your posts have

> often been the words of wisdom I have needed to get me going again)

Awww, that's nice to hear!

> Maybe some of my ideas can finally help you this time.

They are good ideas. Now, whether I'll remember them when I'm exhausted and

ds is whining about food is another matter....

 

> I'm not sure how old your ds is but I have recently realized that life is so

> much easier when I let go and let the kids do some of the work for me.

I like this idea but I'm not sure how to implement. It would probably help

if I could cook, or enjoyed it. And when we get home, neither of us want to

do *anything.* but he'd be more willing to perk up and join me if I knew

how to get him into it. He's 5, so he can't really chop the broccoli, or

add pasta to boiling water.... And since that's the limit of my skills, I

don't know how else to have him help.

Then there's the time issue. From the time we get home (already hungry) til

the time he goes to bed, we have less than 2 hours, 1.5 if he takes a bath.

 

> It's simple things like salad, sandwiches, or pizza ... pasta is a pretty

> reliable stand by.

He tells me my pizzas aren't very good, or my burritos, and we *do* eat a

lot of pasta! He's even starting to reject pasta! He doesn't like

couscous, and the rice has to be white (which i hate). He doesn't care for

sandwiches often.

 

> Another thing that I do is that when I do feel like cooking I try to make

> extras and keep it in the fridge or freezer and maximize my cooking time by

> making things that can be used for several meals. For example, a big pot of

> chili can be a bowl of chili, chili mac, chili dogs, chili over potatoes (

> baked, boiled, fried, hashbrowns, or even mashed), covered with cornbread

> batter and baked for tamale caserole, rolled in a tortilla , or even used as

> the " sauce " for pizza, (especially good with a mix of veggie cheeses).

Hmmm. I swear I'm not trying to be stubborn.... I'll never make chili. I

like it okay, Griff does not. And if he did like it, and if I actually

learned how to make chili, using it in many ways is a lovely idea, but I

really never use leftovers. I don't know why, but even foods I *really*

like often languish and mold in the fridge.

 

> Mac and Chreese by Roads End Organics is also an easy stand by for us,

He lives on this stuff, so much so that I'm afraid he'll get sick of it

soon, and then what'll I do? But he no longer lets me add peas, which made

it a little but healthier.... I also worry that I'm setting him up for a

systemic yeast infection. I know it doesn't contain candida albicans, but

yeast can mutate, and if I eat a whole serving of it, I get yeast symptoms.

But for now, yes, he gets this quite often.

 

> Another thing that is good to keep around is pizza/ bread/ roll/ bisquit/

> cressent/ dough. These are easily topped or stuffed with almost anything and

> don't take too long to bake.

I never knew there were vegan versions. What brands? Are they at all

healthy? I try to limit white processed foods. But I'm sure Griff would

*love* them.

 

> I don't know whether your not having a microwave is because of cost or that

> you just choose not to have one...

Mostly, wanting to limit radiation exposure. Yes, they're certainly fast

and would make my life easier. I'd also end up spending waaaay too much

money on processed frozen meals, so knowing that about me, I think it's best

I stay away from microwaves. I don't mind steaming in a pan, that's

quick. And I have a toaster oven for small " ovenable " things.

 

> If you haven't gotten one of those it is also easy to slice veggies and grill

> quickly on broil in the oven.

That's a nice idea for me. Griff won't eat grilled veggies.

 

> I'm a bit of a reckless/adventurous cook but it usually turns out ok

See, and this is where it may be hard for you to relate - I am NOT reckless

or adventurous, or even creative. If I try, it does NOT usually turn out

ok. I positively hate Hate HATE cooking, the kitchen is like a dungeon to

me, and cooking produces dishes, which I also Hate!!

 

> I never did get a crockpot, but my ricecooker is used often.

I have one, it's in storage half way across the US from me. It makes me

reluctant to buy one when I know someday I'll get my stuff out of storage.

Of course, that's really pretty dumb because they're not that expensive

(although I'm broke right now), and by the time I get the storage unit

cleared out, I'll have had time to buy, use, and wear out a steamer! LOL

But the time it takes is an issue - I'd have to serve a snack just to tide

us over til dinner.

> I hope that I haven't over whelmed you but overall, my best advice is to try

> buy a variety of quicker staples around

All I have are quick staples.

> and mix and match the toppings you'll

> be amazed at what your creativity and certainly what your ds will be able to

> come up with.

There you go with that " creativity " thing.... I exhaust my creativity

at work, or at least, I'm too exhausted from work to be creative. And while

I suspect that learning to cook and having some basic techniques mastered

would help my creative juices flow, I hate the whole idea of it all so much

that I resist efforts to really do anything about it.

> Good luck and keep going!

Thank you, really. And although I sound obstinant, I will eventually put

some of your ideas to work. I feel so totally helpless in the kitchen that

it's really a source of angst for me.

But the thing is, I cannot imagine eatings eggs or dairy now! Ewwww! So

I'm sort of " stuck " here as a vegan.

Doh

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