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I know this may sound like a really silly question, but if any of you

had idea about this it would be great.

 

We have friends who are moving and offered us their 1yo cat. My 5yo is

really excited, but is also really almost preachy about being veg and

how it's not good to eat animals because then he can't watch them run

and play. My concern: Has anyone had issues with the kids having moral

trouble feeding meat to the pets? Am I just being paranoid?

 

Overall, ds loves animals and has been wanting a pet for quite some

time. I think he would do a great job (especially with this cat who

fetches and loves to play and snuggle), but I'm just concerned he's

going to be upset about what the cat has to eat.

 

I would love to hear that I'm just being paranoid and it's a non-issue,

but want to know what i'm getting into, too.

Thanks

Cindy

 

 

 

 

 

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This is a big issue among vegetarians, about whether companion animals can or

should be fed vegetarian diets because of the choices their guardians make

for themselves.

 

Personally, my dogs have done beautifully on a vegetarian diet (my oldest is

now 15 and in great health), but I think cats are a different issue. Dogs are

natural omnivores, so giving them vegetarian sources of protein isn't too much

trouble (especially since Nature's Recipe and other commercial brands have

vegetarian formulas). But cats are natural carnivores, and it's tricky (and,

some would say, dangerous) to try to give them nonmeat food. Taurine is one

such element of a meat-based diet that cats can become ill or die without. And

yes, there are now taurine supplements, and if you want to try that, great.

 

But perhaps all you need to do is explain that different animals have

different needs for their bodies, and that not all animals can be vegetarian

(think

lions, tigers and other big cats). Nature, after all, has a balance of

predators and prey species, and it's not a moral issue with them the way it is

with

humans, who can make choices about their diets and actually do much better

without meat.

 

I think it's great that you're thinking of adopting this cat and providing a

loving home for an animal whose fate might hang in the balance without your

help. Saving that life is important, too!

 

Jill

 

 

 

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We have two cats & two dogs & my girls haven't had too much of a problem with

their diet. They seem to be able to understand that dogs & cats are natural

carnivores & we are not. I would suggest getting the book, Victor's Picnic

with the Vegetarian Animals by Radha Vignola. It does a good job of explaining

the physiological differences btwn carnivores & herbivores & then explains how

humans are really not carnivores. My kids haven't had a problem respecting

the differences in different species of animals, although they do have a hard

time with understanding why other people would eat meat.

 

Christa

 

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I know this may sound like a really silly question, but if any of you

had idea about this it would be great.

 

We have friends who are moving and offered us their 1yo cat. My 5yo is

really excited, but is also really almost preachy about being veg and

how it's not good to eat animals because then he can't watch them run

and play. My concern: Has anyone had issues with the kids having moral

trouble feeding meat to the pets? Am I just being paranoid?

 

Overall, ds loves animals and has been wanting a pet for quite some

time. I think he would do a great job (especially with this cat who

fetches and loves to play and snuggle), but I'm just concerned he's

going to be upset about what the cat has to eat.

 

I would love to hear that I'm just being paranoid and it's a non-issue,

but want to know what i'm getting into, too.

Thanks

Cindy

 

 

 

 

 

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you can buy vegan catfood for your cat. I teach my

daugther that some animals eat other animals and they

hunt in the wild. They don't have a choice. But

people do. We choose not to eat animals because we

don't have to. We have plenty of " real " food to eat.

Renee

 

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> I know this may sound like a really silly question,

> but if any of you

> had idea about this it would be great.

>

> We have friends who are moving and offered us their

> 1yo cat. My 5yo is

> really excited, but is also really almost preachy

> about being veg and

> how it's not good to eat animals because then he

> can't watch them run

> and play. My concern: Has anyone had issues with the

> kids having moral

> trouble feeding meat to the pets? Am I just being

> paranoid?

>

> Overall, ds loves animals and has been wanting a pet

> for quite some

> time. I think he would do a great job (especially

> with this cat who

> fetches and loves to play and snuggle), but I'm just

> concerned he's

> going to be upset about what the cat has to eat.

>

> I would love to hear that I'm just being paranoid

> and it's a non-issue,

> but want to know what i'm getting into, too.

> Thanks

> Cindy

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> My concern: Has anyone had issues with the kids having moral

> trouble feeding meat to the pets? Am I just being paranoid?

>

 

We have two cats. When we got them from the Humane Society last year,

they told us that they are obligate carnivores, so we feed them meat,

either canned or as kibble. I certainly don't cook it for them or

anything like that. My kids understand that that is what cats eat,

that's what they would eat if they were in the wild, and they are OK

with it. They also understand that humans are NOT obligate carnivores 8-).

 

I know some people do have vegetarian cats. I don't want to argue

about it, though!

 

Be well, Hadass.

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Hi Cindy Im very interested in this as well. I would love to find vegetarian

food for our dog but I havent had any luck. I have looked at whole foods but

not wild oats. I'd be interested in making her homemade food but i dont know

enough about it to keep her diet balanced.

 

c l m <whovilleabc wrote:

I know this may sound like a really silly question, but if any of you

had idea about this it would be great.

 

We have friends who are moving and offered us their 1yo cat. My 5yo is

really excited, but is also really almost preachy about being veg and

how it's not good to eat animals because then he can't watch them run

and play. My concern: Has anyone had issues with the kids having moral

trouble feeding meat to the pets? Am I just being paranoid?

 

Overall, ds loves animals and has been wanting a pet for quite some

time. I think he would do a great job (especially with this cat who

fetches and loves to play and snuggle), but I'm just concerned he's

going to be upset about what the cat has to eat.

 

I would love to hear that I'm just being paranoid and it's a non-issue,

but want to know what i'm getting into, too.

Thanks

Cindy

 

 

 

 

 

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I have been having this issue lately. Not with my kids but with

myself. We got our three cats before we became veg*n and when we

made the switch it was difficult trying to decide what to do as far

as our cats. I know that some people feed cats special vegetarian

food but my husband's view point is that while it is natural for

humans to not eat meat, it is not natural for cats to not eat meat

and that we should not force them into a diet that is unhealthy and

unnatural for them. But since a major part of our reason for being

veg*n is ethical reasons, I am concerned that the meat they are

getting in a can/bag is from factory farmed animals that were

cruelly treated. Our 3 1/2 year old daughter on the other hand is

so far okay with them eating meat because we have stressed the

difference between a cat's diet and a human's diet and she is too

young to understand about factory farming. We'll see what happens

when that day occurs.

 

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My concern: Has anyone had issues with the kids having moral

> trouble feeding meat to the pets? Am I just being paranoid?

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FWIW, I've found that it can be a tool for helping a child understand

the difference between *needing* and *wanting* to eat something. This

then helps them understand and explain our diet when confronted by meat

eaters. My kids know that some animals must eat certain types of food

(koalas only eat eucalyptus leaves, for example) and others, like

humans, have the ability to choose.

 

Liz

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Cat food doesn't look much like meat. More like cereal. I avoid the wet

stuff because it really stinks. My cat doesn't seem to mind. Our cat is

quite obviously a carnivore because she catches mice and such. My kids

understand that it is natural for cats to catch mice and that sort of thing

but that we don't eat meat.

 

Jacqueline

 

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carnivore cat

 

 

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> I know this may sound like a really silly question, but if any of you

> had idea about this it would be great.

>

> We have friends who are moving and offered us their 1yo cat. My 5yo is

> really excited, but is also really almost preachy about being veg and

> how it's not good to eat animals because then he can't watch them run

> and play. My concern: Has anyone had issues with the kids having moral

> trouble feeding meat to the pets? Am I just being paranoid?

>

> Overall, ds loves animals and has been wanting a pet for quite some

> time. I think he would do a great job (especially with this cat who

> fetches and loves to play and snuggle), but I'm just concerned he's

> going to be upset about what the cat has to eat.

>

> I would love to hear that I'm just being paranoid and it's a non-issue,

> but want to know what i'm getting into, too.

> Thanks

> Cindy

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Wysong and Evolution make vegetarian dog foods. Wysong is sold at all

different pet stores, you just need to ask them to order the vegan formula for

you.

My dog has been eating and thriving on the vegan wysong for years. There are

more brands out there, just do a search on line. --Tracy

 

> Hi Cindy Im very interested in this as well. I would love to find

> vegetarian food for our dog but I havent had any luck. I have looked at whole

foods

> but not wild oats. I'd be interested in making her homemade food but i dont

> know enough about it to keep her diet balanced.

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We have 2 dogs and 2 cats, my 6 year old had a little

problem with it but we explained that it is just in a

cats nature to eat meat, which she understands

because our cats go outside on occasion and will often

times catch a mouse so that helps in the understanding

that they do eat animals...We do however put all the

pet food in big rubbermaid containers so they dont see

the bag and are not constantly reminded of the fact

the cats are eating meat(my 6yo reads everything).

Also there are some vegetarian pet foods out there but

I think they are pretty expensive....I hope I helped a

little bit.

 

take care

Laurie,Emma(6),Peter(5)

--- c l m <whovilleabc wrote:

 

>

> I know this may sound like a really silly question,

> but if any of you

> had idea about this it would be great.

>

> We have friends who are moving and offered us their

> 1yo cat. My 5yo is

> really excited, but is also really almost preachy

> about being veg and

> how it's not good to eat animals because then he

> can't watch them run

> and play. My concern: Has anyone had issues with the

> kids having moral

> trouble feeding meat to the pets? Am I just being

> paranoid?

>

> Overall, ds loves animals and has been wanting a pet

> for quite some

> time. I think he would do a great job (especially

> with this cat who

> fetches and loves to play and snuggle), but I'm just

> concerned he's

> going to be upset about what the cat has to eat.

>

> I would love to hear that I'm just being paranoid

> and it's a non-issue,

> but want to know what i'm getting into, too.

> Thanks

> Cindy

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Here's an excellent resource for vegan cat and dogs:

 

http://www.vegancats.com/

 

Jodi

 

Action for Animals Seattle

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TRACIE castleman wrote:

 

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> Hi Cindy Im very interested in this as well. I would love to find

> vegetarian food for our dog but I havent had any luck. I have looked

> at whole foods but not wild oats. I'd be interested in making her

> homemade food but i dont know enough about it to keep her diet

> balanced.

>

> c l m <whovilleabc wrote:

> I know this may sound like a really silly question, but if any of you

> had idea about this it would be great.

>

> We have friends who are moving and offered us their 1yo cat. My 5yo is

> really excited, but is also really almost preachy about being veg and

> how it's not good to eat animals because then he can't watch them run

> and play. My concern: Has anyone had issues with the kids having moral

> trouble feeding meat to the pets? Am I just being paranoid?

>

> Overall, ds loves animals and has been wanting a pet for quite some

> time. I think he would do a great job (especially with this cat who

> fetches and loves to play and snuggle), but I'm just concerned he's

> going to be upset about what the cat has to eat.

>

> I would love to hear that I'm just being paranoid and it's a non-issue,

> but want to know what i'm getting into, too.

> Thanks

> Cindy

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cats are TRUE CARNIVORES!!! they have to have meat- they get taurine from it and

can not break down and use plant based materials. I had a very bad time with

feeding my animals other animals but renee is right on- we have a choice and are

not built to eat animals- I think that explaining that is a good idea. really- I

think a dog could do it only if you put the time into it but a cat??? no......

it is not the healthy choice for them. but- if you just won't budge- evolution

is a vegan food. I have a lot of links I could send you about veggie pets. plz

let me know if you want them. best of luck!!! cristene

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Monday, November 01, 2004 9:05 AM

Re: carnivore cat

 

 

 

you can buy vegan catfood for your cat. I teach my

daugther that some animals eat other animals and they

hunt in the wild. They don't have a choice. But

people do. We choose not to eat animals because we

don't have to. We have plenty of " real " food to eat.

Renee

 

--- c l m <whovilleabc<whovilleabc> wrote:

 

>

> I know this may sound like a really silly question,

> but if any of you

> had idea about this it would be great.

>

> We have friends who are moving and offered us their

> 1yo cat. My 5yo is

> really excited, but is also really almost preachy

> about being veg and

> how it's not good to eat animals because then he

> can't watch them run

> and play. My concern: Has anyone had issues with the

> kids having moral

> trouble feeding meat to the pets? Am I just being

> paranoid?

>

> Overall, ds loves animals and has been wanting a pet

> for quite some

> time. I think he would do a great job (especially

> with this cat who

> fetches and loves to play and snuggle), but I'm just

> concerned he's

> going to be upset about what the cat has to eat.

>

> I would love to hear that I'm just being paranoid

> and it's a non-issue,

> but want to know what i'm getting into, too.

> Thanks

> Cindy

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there are synthetic versions of taurine. That is how

vegan catfood is made. I don't currently have a cat.

When I did I fed it dry catfood.. looked less like a

dead animal to me. But I still have a hard time with

factory farming and what is in that catfood. If got

another cat in future I would probably try to feed it

vegan so as not to support the factory farming / meat

industry. But I think it is acceptable to teach

children that some animals need to eat other animals

(snakes for instance) but people are different.

Renee

 

--- cristene bailey <maibee23 wrote:

 

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> cats are TRUE CARNIVORES!!! they have to have meat-

> they get taurine from it and can not break down and

> use plant based materials. I had a very bad time

> with feeding my animals other animals but renee is

> right on- we have a choice and are not built to eat

> animals- I think that explaining that is a good

> idea. really- I think a dog could do it only if you

> put the time into it but a cat??? no...... it is not

> the healthy choice for them. but- if you just won't

> budge- evolution is a vegan food. I have a lot of

> links I could send you about veggie pets. plz let me

> know if you want them. best of luck!!! cristene

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> Renee Carroll<renecarol25

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> you can buy vegan catfood for your cat. I teach

> my

> daugther that some animals eat other animals and

> they

> hunt in the wild. They don't have a choice. But

> people do. We choose not to eat animals because

> we

> don't have to. We have plenty of " real " food to

> eat.

> Renee

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> > I know this may sound like a really silly

> question,

> > but if any of you

> > had idea about this it would be great.

> >

> > We have friends who are moving and offered us

> their

> > 1yo cat. My 5yo is

> > really excited, but is also really almost

> preachy

> > about being veg and

> > how it's not good to eat animals because then he

> > can't watch them run

> > and play. My concern: Has anyone had issues with

> the

> > kids having moral

> > trouble feeding meat to the pets? Am I just

> being

> > paranoid?

> >

> > Overall, ds loves animals and has been wanting a

> pet

> > for quite some

> > time. I think he would do a great job

> (especially

> > with this cat who

> > fetches and loves to play and snuggle), but I'm

> just

> > concerned he's

> > going to be upset about what the cat has to eat.

>

> >

> > I would love to hear that I'm just being

> paranoid

> > and it's a non-issue,

> > but want to know what i'm getting into, too.

> > Thanks

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Cindy,

Sorry this reply is late.

I would refer you to a great book by a vegetarian called " Reigning Cats and

Dogs " . The author is Pat McKay. She writes about the fact that dogs and cats

are carnivores. Their systems from teeth, enzymes, intestinal structure etc. are

designed to eat meat. She is a vegetarian and talks about people being

physiologically different. She has done work with domestic and wild animals,

and

has studied allopathic as well as mostly alternative animal nutrition. She

advocates for a raw diet for dogs and cats. Getting as much organic food as

possible. She details the food program and makes it very user friendly. That

being

said, it's a great explaination about animal nutrition.

You can order it almost anywhere.

My son(vegan since birth) has always understand about the differences in

animal food and food that we eat.

Hope this helps.

Peace,

Laura in Maryland

 

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Has anyone had issues with the kids having moral

trouble feeding meat to the pets? Am I just being paranoid?

 

Overall, ds loves animals and has been wanting a pet for quite some

time. I think he would do a great job (especially with this cat who

fetches and loves to play and snuggle), but I'm just concerned he's

going to be upset about what the cat has to eat.

 

I would love to hear that I'm just being paranoid and it's a non-issue,

but want to know what i'm getting into, too.

 

 

 

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there are synthetic versions of taurine. That is how

vegan catfood is made.

you are right but they are carnivores-true carnivores. they do not digest plant

based products very well if at all. trust me- if I could feed my cats vegan I

would w/o even thinking twice. this is what I do. I am in veterinary medicine. I

know not every one will agree with me but I am going on fact. now dogs- they can

do a veggie diet easier if extreme caution and time is put into it. well- just

wanted to share my thoughts. and there is food out there that does not use

factory farmed meat. I would be mopre than happy to discuss that w/ you off

list. maibee23<maibee23 oh- just an update- the dog

I rescued went to a new home today. plz- any good thoughts and prayers that this

be his permanent(ok- so I can't spell!!) woould be sooooo great!! thx again to

all for your support. and one question- tofurky or the now and zen one?? never

had the latter and am thinking of trying it. cristene

 

 

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