new to the group with a 2 & 4 yr old veggie kids

December 23, 2004

HI, I live in Sacramento California. I am 28 and have been vegetarian since I

was 16. We have a 2 and 4 year old and they have been vegetarian since the womb!

I breastfed both for the 1st year and then they went to lactose free formula

supplements and Rice Milk. They have a little dairy in their diet, but not too

much, and never milk by the glassful........but they have had the substitute

cheeses and the real cheeses, but all of it just very sparingly. They like eggs,

but I buy the Omega Eggs. They have never had meat........but they like Boca

Burgers.........other than that, we eat raw and lightly steamed

veggies........they amaze everyone at how they eat vegetables. Even at

restaurants, we have had so many people come up and comment that they can't

believe how our kids are sitting their eating brocolli whole.

We make lot's of pasta dishes with veggies, brown rice and veggies with teryaki

sauces, we make smoothies almost everymorning with tofu, banana, fruit, and rice

protein powder.

I find it very easy because my husband and I are both the same. If he were not a

vegetarian........I don't know how it would work.......it would be very

difficult.

We have gotten negative comments from our families..........even our doctor at

times.........but overall, our kids are totally healthy, never have had any

major problems, and they are both smart and thriving.

One thing I would like to point out too, is that they both have NEVER had an ear

infection.

Every child I know has had ear infections, and some get them repetetively and

had gotten tubes inserted in their ears.

I really think that it is because my kids don't have cow's milk and low dairy.

Anyway, thought I would share.........

Sharon

December 25, 2004

Ah, ear infections. People are shocked when I tell them my kids

(ages 1 and 4) have *never* had an ear infection, and *never* had to

have antibiotics of any kind. What do the doctors say? Something

about 3-4 a year for the first few years is normal? Not for our

vegan/vegetarian (and breastfed!) kiddos!

Shayla

, sharon scrivner

<sharon_split> wrote:

>

> One thing I would like to point out too, is that they both have

NEVER had an ear infection.

>

> Every child I know has had ear infections, and some get them

repetetively and had gotten tubes inserted in their ears.

>

> I really think that it is because my kids don't have cow's milk

and low dairy.

December 26, 2004

While Breastfed, vegan children don't get as many ear infections as other

children, my middle child had one ear infection after another starting at

6wks old. My third had one by about 18mos. My first child however didn't

have an ear infection until she was well over two.

Jacqueline

wisheyemay [happyvegan]

December 25, 2004 3:10 AM

Re: new to the group with a 2 & 4 yr old veggie kids

Ah, ear infections. People are shocked when I tell them my kids

(ages 1 and 4) have *never* had an ear infection, and *never* had to

have antibiotics of any kind. What do the doctors say? Something

about 3-4 a year for the first few years is normal? Not for our

vegan/vegetarian (and breastfed!) kiddos!

Shayla

, sharon scrivner

<sharon_split> wrote:

>

> One thing I would like to point out too, is that they both have

NEVER had an ear infection.

>

> Every child I know has had ear infections, and some get them

repetetively and had gotten tubes inserted in their ears.

>

> I really think that it is because my kids don't have cow's milk

and low dairy.

For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to

provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

qualified health professional.

edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health

professional.

December 26, 2004

My oldest had 2 I think very early on. The other 2 have never had any and all

are veg. I remember when I was a kid I had antibiotics all the time. I think

between all 3 of my kids they have had them maybe 3 or 4 times. I definately

think it has to do with good nutrition.

Carol

wisheyemay <happyvegan wrote:

Ah, ear infections. People are shocked when I tell them my kids

(ages 1 and 4) have *never* had an ear infection, and *never* had to

have antibiotics of any kind. What do the doctors say? Something

about 3-4 a year for the first few years is normal? Not for our

vegan/vegetarian (and breastfed!) kiddos!

Shayla

, sharon scrivner

<sharon_split> wrote:

>

> One thing I would like to point out too, is that they both have

NEVER had an ear infection.

>

> Every child I know has had ear infections, and some get them

repetetively and had gotten tubes inserted in their ears.

>

> I really think that it is because my kids don't have cow's milk

and low dairy.

For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to

provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

qualified health professional.

edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health

professional.

December 27, 2004

My daughter has never had an ear infection. She was

only breastfed the first few months. After I went

back to work my milk supply had went down so much that

I had to start supplementing with soy formula. The

more formula I used the less milk I had.. until I had

none. Do you think it is just being breastfed? or

while being breastfed that they don't get ear

infections? My daughter never had any dairy until she

was about 18 mos old. We used toddler soy formula for

months after she was a year old.. and never gave her

cow milk to drink we have soymilk in our home. But

she probably started having mac'n'cheese around 18

mos. And maybe some other small amounts of dairy in

other foods.

Renee

--- Jacq <jacqcote wrote:

>

> While Breastfed, vegan children don't get as many

> ear infections as other

> children, my middle child had one ear infection

> after another starting at

> 6wks old. My third had one by about 18mos. My

> first child however didn't

> have an ear infection until she was well over two.

>

> Jacqueline

>

> wisheyemay [happyvegan]

> December 25, 2004 3:10 AM

>

> Re: new to the group with a 2

> & 4 yr old veggie kids

>

> Ah, ear infections. People are shocked when I tell

> them my kids

> (ages 1 and 4) have *never* had an ear infection,

> and *never* had to

> have antibiotics of any kind. What do the doctors

> say? Something

> about 3-4 a year for the first few years is normal?

> Not for our

> vegan/vegetarian (and breastfed!) kiddos!

>

> Shayla

>

> , sharon scrivner

> <sharon_split> wrote:

> >

> > One thing I would like to point out too, is that

> they both have

> NEVER had an ear infection.

> >

> > Every child I know has had ear infections, and

> some get them

> repetetively and had gotten tubes inserted in their

> ears.

> >

> > I really think that it is because my kids don't

> have cow's milk

> and low dairy.

>

For more information about vegetarianism, please

> visit the VRG website at

> http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially

> useful for families go to

> http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list

> and is not intended to

> provide personal medical advice. Medical advice

> should be obtained from a

> qualified health professional.

>

> edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained

> from a qualified health

> professional.

>

December 27, 2004

I have to think that maybe my children are the exception. They've been

vegan since conception, were breastfed and have had great nutrition yet they

have all had ear infections. One child has ear tubes which will probably be

taken out in January. She had such a fluid build up behind her ear drums

that she could barely hear. One son has ear problems that required ear

tubes that fell out and he didn't have to have new ones put in. He had

tinnitus due to fluid. Now he has problems with loud noises and water in

his ear causing extreme pain in his ears. The other three have had ear

infections but not to the extent that the other two have had. I'm thinking

that maybe some ear problems are hereditary and nutrition may help it not

get worse but some you cannot help. I would hate to think that anyone on

this list who has similar problems with their children could end up thinking

they are doing something wrong and feel guilty that they could possibly be

doing better in the nutrition area when maybe they are doing great there.

Good nutrition is great and I am obviously all for it, but maybe something

else is going on and moms and dads maybe need not second, third, fourth ...

guess how well they are feeding their children when they get ear infections.

Just my thoughts.

God's Peace,

Gayle

December 27, 2004

Hi Sharon - Just wanted to say that I just moved out of Sacramento

(to Pittsburgh, PA). Have you been to any of the Sacramento

Vegetarian Society potlucks? I recomend going. They are very nice

people and there are two families (each with one daughter) that

attend on a regular basis. The potlucks are one Sunday a month (I

forget which one) at the food co-op.

, sharon scrivner

<sharon_split> wrote:

>

> HI, I live in Sacramento California. I am 28 and have been

vegetarian since I was 16. We have a 2 and 4 year old and they have

been vegetarian since the womb!

December 27, 2004

Actually, ear infections are more closely linked to if the child is

breastfed or not rather than being vegetarian. Studies have proven

that breastfed children have much less ear infections. Although

even that is not fool proof. My sister was plagued with them

whereas I never had one. So far, neither of my children have had

one either (knock on wood!).

, " wisheyemay " <happyvegan@g...>

wrote:

>

> Ah, ear infections. People are shocked when I tell them my kids

> (ages 1 and 4) have *never* had an ear infection, and *never* had

to

> have antibiotics of any kind. What do the doctors say? Something

> about 3-4 a year for the first few years is normal? Not for our

> vegan/vegetarian (and breastfed!) kiddos!

>

> Shayla

>

> , sharon scrivner

> <sharon_split> wrote:

> >

> > One thing I would like to point out too, is that they both have

> NEVER had an ear infection.

> >

> > Every child I know has had ear infections, and some get them

> repetetively and had gotten tubes inserted in their ears.

> >

> > I really think that it is because my kids don't have cow's milk

> and low dairy.

December 28, 2004

I don't mean to dispel any of the ideas that have been suggested for why

children do or don't get ear infections, but my son kind of blows all the

theories. He was not breastfed (he is adopted), and organic dairy products like

yogurt currently make up a large part of his diet. He is 5 1/2 and up until

recently he had never had an ear infection. Ironically, his only ear infection

hit just as we were about to get on a plane and fly to Europe. It was dealt with

immediately by his pediatrician and since then we've been lucky that he has not

had any more.

Terry

-

smartgirl27us

Monday, December 27, 2004 12:35 PM

Re: new to the group with a 2 & 4 yr old veggie kids

Actually, ear infections are more closely linked to if the child is

breastfed or not rather than being vegetarian. Studies have proven

that breastfed children have much less ear infections. Although

even that is not fool proof. My sister was plagued with them

whereas I never had one. So far, neither of my children have had

one either (knock on wood!).

December 28, 2004

It is actually both. Breastmilk actually helps to protect children from

infections because they get mom's antibodies. Also, milk is known to be a

factor in contracting ear infections (as well as juvenille diabetes!).

Jacqueline

-

" Renee Carroll " <renecarol25

Monday, December 27, 2004 10:32 AM

RE: Re: new to the group with a 2 & 4 yr old veggie

kids

>

> My daughter has never had an ear infection. She was

> only breastfed the first few months. After I went

> back to work my milk supply had went down so much that

> I had to start supplementing with soy formula. The

> more formula I used the less milk I had.. until I had

> none. Do you think it is just being breastfed? or

> while being breastfed that they don't get ear

> infections? My daughter never had any dairy until she

> was about 18 mos old. We used toddler soy formula for

> months after she was a year old.. and never gave her

> cow milk to drink we have soymilk in our home. But

> she probably started having mac'n'cheese around 18

> mos. And maybe some other small amounts of dairy in

> other foods.

> Renee

>

> --- Jacq <jacqcote wrote:

>

> >

> > While Breastfed, vegan children don't get as many

> > ear infections as other

> > children, my middle child had one ear infection

> > after another starting at

> > 6wks old. My third had one by about 18mos. My

> > first child however didn't

> > have an ear infection until she was well over two.

> >

> > Jacqueline

> >

> > wisheyemay [happyvegan]

> > December 25, 2004 3:10 AM

> >

> > Re: new to the group with a 2

> > & 4 yr old veggie kids

> >

> > Ah, ear infections. People are shocked when I tell

> > them my kids

> > (ages 1 and 4) have *never* had an ear infection,

> > and *never* had to

> > have antibiotics of any kind. What do the doctors

> > say? Something

> > about 3-4 a year for the first few years is normal?

> > Not for our

> > vegan/vegetarian (and breastfed!) kiddos!

> >

> > Shayla

> >

> > , sharon scrivner

> > <sharon_split> wrote:

> > >

> > > One thing I would like to point out too, is that

> > they both have

> > NEVER had an ear infection.

> > >

> > > Every child I know has had ear infections, and

> > some get them

> > repetetively and had gotten tubes inserted in their

> > ears.

> > >

> > > I really think that it is because my kids don't

> > have cow's milk

> > and low dairy.

> >

> > For more information about vegetarianism, please

> > visit the VRG website at

> > http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially

> > useful for families go to

> > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list

> > and is not intended to

> > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice

> > should be obtained from a

> > qualified health professional.

> >

> > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained

> > from a qualified health

> > professional.

> >

December 28, 2004

I agree Gayle.

As I said one of my children didn't have any ear infections until she was

quite old and then the second had one right away. I was quite smug with the

first thinking that it was because I was doing everything right. Then I did

all the same things with my second and he had recurrent ear infections from

6wks on. I think he inherited my brother's tiny ear canals that hold fluid.

Jacqueline

-

<quintmom

Monday, December 27, 2004 11:30 AM

Re: Re: new to the group with a 2 & 4 yr old veggie

kids

>

> I have to think that maybe my children are the exception. They've been

> vegan since conception, were breastfed and have had great nutrition yet

they

> have all had ear infections. One child has ear tubes which will probably

be

> taken out in January. She had such a fluid build up behind her ear drums

> that she could barely hear. One son has ear problems that required ear

> tubes that fell out and he didn't have to have new ones put in. He had

> tinnitus due to fluid. Now he has problems with loud noises and water in

> his ear causing extreme pain in his ears. The other three have had ear

> infections but not to the extent that the other two have had. I'm

thinking

> that maybe some ear problems are hereditary and nutrition may help it not

> get worse but some you cannot help. I would hate to think that anyone on

> this list who has similar problems with their children could end up

thinking

> they are doing something wrong and feel guilty that they could possibly be

> doing better in the nutrition area when maybe they are doing great there.

> Good nutrition is great and I am obviously all for it, but maybe something

> else is going on and moms and dads maybe need not second, third, fourth

....

> guess how well they are feeding their children when they get ear

infections.

> Just my thoughts.

>

> God's Peace,

> Gayle

>

For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to

provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

qualified health professional.

>

> edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health

professional.

>

December 29, 2004

I have two children, both vegetarian from birth, both breast-fed for

about the same period of time. My daughter never had an ear infection,

my son had chronic ear infections. The tendency to ear infections has

more to do with the development of the Eustation Tubes in young children

than probably anything else. Breast feeding does help improve the

immune system in general and the sucking action helps to open the

Eustation Tubes and allow fluids to drain properly from the ear.

Just FYI, my son's ear infections were ultimately resolved with the help

of a good herbal medicine book and not by anti-biotics (which suppress

the development of the immune system in young children by completely

taking over the immune systems job).

Phil

quintmom wrote:

>I have to think that maybe my children are the exception. They've been

>vegan since conception, were breastfed and have had great nutrition yet they

>have all had ear infections. One child has ear tubes which will probably be

>taken out in January. She had such a fluid build up behind her ear drums

>that she could barely hear. One son has ear problems that required ear

>tubes that fell out and he didn't have to have new ones put in. He had

>tinnitus due to fluid. Now he has problems with loud noises and water in

>his ear causing extreme pain in his ears. The other three have had ear

>infections but not to the extent that the other two have had. I'm thinking

>that maybe some ear problems are hereditary and nutrition may help it not

>get worse but some you cannot help. I would hate to think that anyone on

>this list who has similar problems with their children could end up thinking

>they are doing something wrong and feel guilty that they could possibly be

>doing better in the nutrition area when maybe they are doing great there.

>Good nutrition is great and I am obviously all for it, but maybe something

>else is going on and moms and dads maybe need not second, third, fourth ...

>guess how well they are feeding their children when they get ear infections.

>Just my thoughts.

>

>God's Peace,

>Gayle

>

>For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to

provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

qualified health professional.

>

>edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health

professional.

>

December 29, 2004

Hey Terry,

I made the Crown Nut Roast for Christmas dinner with tarrogon roasted

veggies, and gravy (plus a few other " traditional " dishes). It was

fabulous! Everyone raved about it. Thanx for the recipe and moderations.

God's Peace,

Gayle

-

" Terry Somerson " <terry

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:55 AM

Re: Re: new to the group with a 2 & 4 yr old veggie

kids

>

> I don't mean to dispel any of the ideas that have been suggested for why

> children do or don't get ear infections, but my son kind of blows all the

> theories. He was not breastfed (he is adopted), and organic dairy

> products like yogurt currently make up a large part of his diet. He is 5

> 1/2 and up until recently he had never had an ear infection. Ironically,

> his only ear infection hit just as we were about to get on a plane and fly

> to Europe. It was dealt with immediately by his pediatrician and since

> then we've been lucky that he has not had any more.

>

> Terry

> -

> smartgirl27us

>

> Monday, December 27, 2004 12:35 PM

> Re: new to the group with a 2 & 4 yr old veggie

> kids

>

> Actually, ear infections are more closely linked to if the child is

> breastfed or not rather than being vegetarian. Studies have proven

> that breastfed children have much less ear infections. Although

> even that is not fool proof. My sister was plagued with them

> whereas I never had one. So far, neither of my children have had

> one either (knock on wood!).

>

December 29, 2004

I tried every herbal remedy and probiotics available. Nothing worked. My

daughter kept getting more and more deaf and my son's tinnitus didn't go

away. I am all for herbal and naturopathic remedies but I think there are

times when a mix of the conventional and herbal remedies may be called for.

I do not use antibiotics for ear infections as it has been proven through

studies that ear infections in children heal without antibiotics in about

the same time as they do with antibiotics. I had the same problem my son

and daughter had - fluid build up behind the eardrum - my mother and brother

did, and so did my husband and his sister. You are right that the problem

lies in the development of the eustacean tubes, however that development can

be hereditary.

God's Peace,

Gayle

-

" Phil Welsher " <PhilLand

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:41 PM

Re: Re: new to the group with a 2 & 4 yr old veggie

kids

>

> I have two children, both vegetarian from birth, both breast-fed for

> about the same period of time. My daughter never had an ear infection,

> my son had chronic ear infections. The tendency to ear infections has

> more to do with the development of the Eustation Tubes in young children

> than probably anything else. Breast feeding does help improve the

> immune system in general and the sucking action helps to open the

> Eustation Tubes and allow fluids to drain properly from the ear.

>

> Just FYI, my son's ear infections were ultimately resolved with the help

> of a good herbal medicine book and not by anti-biotics (which suppress

> the development of the immune system in young children by completely

> taking over the immune systems job).

>

> Phil

>

> quintmom wrote:

>

>>I have to think that maybe my children are the exception. They've been

>>vegan since conception, were breastfed and have had great nutrition yet

>>they

>>have all had ear infections. One child has ear tubes which will probably

>>be

>>taken out in January. She had such a fluid build up behind her ear drums

>>that she could barely hear. One son has ear problems that required ear

>>tubes that fell out and he didn't have to have new ones put in. He had

>>tinnitus due to fluid. Now he has problems with loud noises and water in

>>his ear causing extreme pain in his ears. The other three have had ear

>>infections but not to the extent that the other two have had. I'm

>>thinking

>>that maybe some ear problems are hereditary and nutrition may help it not

>>get worse but some you cannot help. I would hate to think that anyone on

>>this list who has similar problems with their children could end up

>>thinking

>>they are doing something wrong and feel guilty that they could possibly be

>>doing better in the nutrition area when maybe they are doing great there.

>>Good nutrition is great and I am obviously all for it, but maybe something

>>else is going on and moms and dads maybe need not second, third, fourth

>>...

>>guess how well they are feeding their children when they get ear

>>infections.

>>Just my thoughts.

>>

>>God's Peace,

>>Gayle

>>

>>For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

>>http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

>>http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to

>>provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

>>qualified health professional.

>>

>>edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health

>>professional.

>>

January 4, 2005

Your kids are not the exception Gayle. My son had recurrent ear

infections as an infant/toddler and repeated use of antibiotics

which we have recently learned (ate age 6) led to an overgrowth of

clostridia difficile. One of my daughters has never had an ear

infection, her twin has fluid buildup in her ears so severe that she

can barely hear. She screams when she talks. Both my son - and my

daughter who has the ear issues - are allergic to wheat! They have

other food allergies, as well, but removing the wheat from their

diets, has helped tremendously with both the ear infections and

behaviour problems they were both having.

xoxo,

angela

, <quintmom@n...> wrote:

>

> I have to think that maybe my children are the exception. They've

been

> vegan since conception, were breastfed and have had great

nutrition yet they

> have all had ear infections. One child has ear tubes which will

probably be

> taken out in January. She had such a fluid build up behind her

ear drums

> that she could barely hear. One son has ear problems that

required ear

> tubes that fell out and he didn't have to have new ones put in.

He had

> tinnitus due to fluid. Now he has problems with loud noises and

water in

> his ear causing extreme pain in his ears. The other three have

had ear

> infections but not to the extent that the other two have had. I'm

thinking

> that maybe some ear problems are hereditary and nutrition may help

it not

> get worse but some you cannot help. I would hate to think that

anyone on

> this list who has similar problems with their children could end

up thinking

> they are doing something wrong and feel guilty that they could

possibly be

> doing better in the nutrition area when maybe they are doing great

there.

> Good nutrition is great and I am obviously all for it, but maybe

something

> else is going on and moms and dads maybe need not second, third,

fourth ...

> guess how well they are feeding their children when they get ear

infections.

> Just my thoughts.

>

> God's Peace,

> Gayle

January 4, 2005

ah... I always felt frustrated at La Leche meetings when this was

emphasized over and over again. My son who had recurrent ear

infections was breastfed for 3.5 YEARS. My daughter who has ear

infections & fluid buildup in her ears is still nursing at 4 years

(so is her twin sister). Both of my children have food allergies -

another condition that breastfeeding was supposed to prevent!

Imagine how sick they'd be if they hadn't nursed for so long,

though

xoxo,

angela

-- In , " smartgirl27us "

<thesmartfamily3> wrote:

>

> Actually, ear infections are more closely linked to if the child

is

> breastfed or not rather than being vegetarian. Studies have

proven

> that breastfed children have much less ear infections. Although

> even that is not fool proof. My sister was plagued with them

> whereas I never had one. So far, neither of my children have had

> one either (knock on wood!).

>

January 5, 2005

Angela,

Can you elaborate on the behavioral problems cleared up by omitting wheat?

Also, how did you determine wheat as a culprit.

God's Peace,

Gayle

-

" angelaseibel " <angelaseibel

Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:57 AM

Re: new to the group with a 2 & 4 yr old veggie kids

>

> Your kids are not the exception Gayle. My son had recurrent ear

> infections as an infant/toddler and repeated use of antibiotics

> which we have recently learned (ate age 6) led to an overgrowth of

> clostridia difficile. One of my daughters has never had an ear

> infection, her twin has fluid buildup in her ears so severe that she

> can barely hear. She screams when she talks. Both my son - and my

> daughter who has the ear issues - are allergic to wheat! They have

> other food allergies, as well, but removing the wheat from their

> diets, has helped tremendously with both the ear infections and

> behaviour problems they were both having.

>

> xoxo,

> angela

>

> , <quintmom@n...> wrote:

>>

>> I have to think that maybe my children are the exception. They've

> been

>> vegan since conception, were breastfed and have had great

> nutrition yet they

>> have all had ear infections. One child has ear tubes which will

> probably be

>> taken out in January. She had such a fluid build up behind her

> ear drums

>> that she could barely hear. One son has ear problems that

> required ear

>> tubes that fell out and he didn't have to have new ones put in.

> He had

>> tinnitus due to fluid. Now he has problems with loud noises and

> water in

>> his ear causing extreme pain in his ears. The other three have

> had ear

>> infections but not to the extent that the other two have had. I'm

> thinking

>> that maybe some ear problems are hereditary and nutrition may help

> it not

>> get worse but some you cannot help. I would hate to think that

> anyone on

>> this list who has similar problems with their children could end

> up thinking

>> they are doing something wrong and feel guilty that they could

> possibly be

>> doing better in the nutrition area when maybe they are doing great

> there.

>> Good nutrition is great and I am obviously all for it, but maybe

> something

>> else is going on and moms and dads maybe need not second, third,

> fourth ...

>> guess how well they are feeding their children when they get ear

> infections.

>> Just my thoughts.

>>

>> God's Peace,

>> Gayle

>

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> http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

> http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to

> provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

> qualified health professional.

>

> edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health

> professional.

>

January 7, 2005

My son was having rages, 45+ minute tantrums (at age 6) and fits of

aggressive and drunken-like behaviour. I had suspected wheat for

quite awhile, but had never eliminated it from their diets long

enough to confirm. We had allergy testing done and two of my three

children were allergic to wheat. (Two different allergists tested

them - two different methods) My son was allergic to more than

twenty different foods - but wheat seems to have been the biggest

issue, followed by all sweeteners except xylitol and and stevia.

Removing the wheat has helped a lot with the behaviour issues and -

but has not entirely solved my son's health problems.

angela

, <quintmom@n...> wrote:

>

> Angela,

> Can you elaborate on the behavioral problems cleared up by

omitting wheat?

> Also, how did you determine wheat as a culprit.

>

> God's Peace,

> Gayle

> -

> " angelaseibel " <angelaseibel@h...>

>

> Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:57 AM

> Re: new to the group with a 2 & 4 yr old

veggie kids

>

> >

> > Your kids are not the exception Gayle. My son had recurrent ear

> > infections as an infant/toddler and repeated use of antibiotics

> > which we have recently learned (ate age 6) led to an overgrowth

of

> > clostridia difficile. One of my daughters has never had an ear

> > infection, her twin has fluid buildup in her ears so severe that

she

> > can barely hear. She screams when she talks. Both my son - and

my

> > daughter who has the ear issues - are allergic to wheat! They

have

> > other food allergies, as well, but removing the wheat from their

> > diets, has helped tremendously with both the ear infections and

> > behaviour problems they were both having.

> >

> > xoxo,

> > angela

> >

> > , <quintmom@n...> wrote:

> >>

> >> I have to think that maybe my children are the exception.

They've

> > been

> >> vegan since conception, were breastfed and have had great

> > nutrition yet they

> >> have all had ear infections. One child has ear tubes which will

> > probably be

> >> taken out in January. She had such a fluid build up behind her

> > ear drums

> >> that she could barely hear. One son has ear problems that

> > required ear

> >> tubes that fell out and he didn't have to have new ones put in.

> > He had

> >> tinnitus due to fluid. Now he has problems with loud noises and

> > water in

> >> his ear causing extreme pain in his ears. The other three have

> > had ear

> >> infections but not to the extent that the other two have had.

I'm

> > thinking

> >> that maybe some ear problems are hereditary and nutrition may

help

> > it not

> >> get worse but some you cannot help. I would hate to think that

> > anyone on

> >> this list who has similar problems with their children could end

> > up thinking

> >> they are doing something wrong and feel guilty that they could

> > possibly be

> >> doing better in the nutrition area when maybe they are doing

great

> > there.

> >> Good nutrition is great and I am obviously all for it, but maybe

> > something

> >> else is going on and moms and dads maybe need not second, third,

> > fourth ...

> >> guess how well they are feeding their children when they get ear

> > infections.

> >> Just my thoughts.

> >>

> >> God's Peace,

> >> Gayle

> >

> > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG

website at

> > http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for

families go to

> > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not

intended to

> > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be

obtained from a

> > qualified health professional.

> >

> > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

qualified health

> > professional.

> >

January 20, 2005

Jackie. I have two daughters. One of them was breated for 6 months and then she

had the bottle till the age of two. The other was breastfed for 15 months and

she never had the bottle. Both of them have ear infections regularly. Doctors

say that it is normal till the age of 6 years old because of the shape the ear

has. What do you think?

Jacq <jacqcote wrote:

While Breastfed, vegan children don't get as many ear infections as other

children, my middle child had one ear infection after another starting at

6wks old. My third had one by about 18mos. My first child however didn't

have an ear infection until she was well over two.

Jacqueline

wisheyemay [happyvegan]

December 25, 2004 3:10 AM

Re: new to the group with a 2 & 4 yr old veggie kids

Ah, ear infections. People are shocked when I tell them my kids

(ages 1 and 4) have *never* had an ear infection, and *never* had to

have antibiotics of any kind. What do the doctors say? Something

about 3-4 a year for the first few years is normal? Not for our

vegan/vegetarian (and breastfed!) kiddos!

Shayla

, sharon scrivner

<sharon_split> wrote:

>

> One thing I would like to point out too, is that they both have

NEVER had an ear infection.

>

> Every child I know has had ear infections, and some get them

repetetively and had gotten tubes inserted in their ears.

>

> I really think that it is because my kids don't have cow's milk

and low dairy.

For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to

provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

qualified health professional.

edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health

professional.

January 21, 2005

I think that ear infections have more to do with a child's anatomy than

whether or not they are vegan or bottle fed. My son is 7. He has had

problems, especially in his right ear, for all of his life. He was

exclusively breatfed, not even solids until he was 9 months old. He's had

dairy twice in his life. My daughter (she's 20 months older) has had one

ear infection, when she was about 8 months old. She was breastfed, but took

bottles (my son refused them - if it wasn't straight from Mom, it wasn't

worth it) and formula. She is a big cheese and yogurt eater. We are in the

middle of an infection now. He's old enough that his anatomy should have

converted, but he still has problems.

Noreen

-

" romina liguori " <romina_liguori

Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:35 PM

RE: Re: new to the group with a 2 & 4 yr old veggie

kids

Jackie. I have two daughters. One of them was breated for 6 months and then

she had the bottle till the age of two. The other was breastfed for 15

months and she never had the bottle. Both of them have ear infections

regularly. Doctors say that it is normal till the age of 6 years old because

of the shape the ear has. What do you think?

Jacq <jacqcote wrote:

While Breastfed, vegan children don't get as many ear infections as other

children, my middle child had one ear infection after another starting at

6wks old. My third had one by about 18mos. My first child however didn't

have an ear infection until she was well over two.

Jacqueline

wisheyemay [happyvegan]

December 25, 2004 3:10 AM

Re: new to the group with a 2 & 4 yr old veggie kids

Ah, ear infections. People are shocked when I tell them my kids

(ages 1 and 4) have *never* had an ear infection, and *never* had to

have antibiotics of any kind. What do the doctors say? Something

about 3-4 a year for the first few years is normal? Not for our

vegan/vegetarian (and breastfed!) kiddos!

Shayla

, sharon scrivner

<sharon_split> wrote:

>

> One thing I would like to point out too, is that they both have

NEVER had an ear infection.

>

> Every child I know has had ear infections, and some get them

repetetively and had gotten tubes inserted in their ears.

>

> I really think that it is because my kids don't have cow's milk

and low dairy.

For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to

provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

qualified health professional.

edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health

professional.

February 10, 2005

Phil: I completely agree with you.Doctors gave me the same explanation about the

tubes stuff, and I agree too about what you say about nutrition.

Phil Welsher <PhilLand wrote: