pH of bottled water and possible link to tooth decay

[Guest guest]

I know a variety of families that have children with tooth decay. these

families practice very different lifestyles, to very health conscious, to very

mainstearm fast food, some avoid flouride, others welcome flouride, some have

not

vaccinated their children, and others welcome vaccines completely and done the

whole scedule on their kids. Some were born, with all kinds of drugs during

labor and some where born drug free labors.

 

the diets of these children range from, low sugar vegan, with no juice,

bottles or sippy cups, to mostly vegetarian with lots of juice, to a high animal

based diet, almost every meal but as whole oriented as possible, and to a

totally whatever diet, of fast foods.

 

so far only one of my children has some evidence of tooth decay and acid

spots, we avoid flouride and we are vegan, but he is my oldest child and the

other two haven't yet reached age 4 when he first showed signs of tooth decay

(he

is six now, and he needs lots of brushing to deal with his plaque build up,

anyway, I am sure he'd have a lot more cavity problem if I wasn't the one

brushing his teeth and also it seems he needs a lot more maintence than I

needed)

 

the child with the worst cavities (needing root canal) is a six year older

whose family avoids flouride (and dosn't vaccinate) he is not even vegetarian,

he is an avid animal eater, loves meat, avoids veggies.

 

The child with the most cavities, was the non-avoider of flouride and

vaccines, mostly vegetarian, loves yogurt and has a high cheese diet (but he was

also

the youngest child that showed tooth decay, starting around age 2).

 

most of the parents of these kids did not have tooth decay as a child.

However, the parents are sure that their children brushed more than they

themselves

did when they were children.

 

However, I am guessing that all the children and there parents were not very

regular or careful about brushing teeth, (but still, the childrens parents got

away with similar tooth brushing habits and never got cavities)

 

Another commonality with the kids with tooth decay is that they are sugar

sensitive, meaning they can get low blood sugar easy and act out as a result,

also they tend to get busy and not eat very much, so I imagine that they

ocassionally go into ketosis (I did find keytones in the urine of one such kid)

The

kids will get some bad and I mean BAD morning breath every now and then. So

part of the problem I think is that the kids get overacid from ketosis. but

still, I am sure these kids parents would probally also had times of ketosis and

meal skipping or eating very little some days. I cant imagine that this is

something that children are doing now that hasn't always been done from time to

time in the childhoods of the past, also among malnurished starving people, it

is amazing how little tooth decay there is!

 

Anyway, I remember reading in some dental journal that tooth decay among

children, is on the rise and is reaching epidemic proportions. Suggestions of

contagious bacteria, and stressful lives might be the culprit, and also

becoming a fast food nation. and lots of connection with soda pop. (but the

parents

belive that their own children withtooth decay are having less soda and sugar

than they themselves had as children)

 

So although their might be other commonalities between these families, the

most obvious one to me besides that they might all be having a bacterial problem

is that they all drink bottled water. something that the adults did not drink

when they themselves were kids (btw, I do not have any rawfoodist children

connections so, I don't know if this is a problem among raw foodist children) I

don't know if bottled water is truly the problem but the fact that it tested

so acidy makes me wonder.

 

Water is supposed to be nuetral pH of 7, right? Well, not bottled water!

(all my bottled water had the the most acidy that my pH tests would show)

 

most of us know that acidy things thin the enamal of teeth, baby teeth

already has thinner enamal than adult teeth.

 

anyway, I have two different ways to test pH, I have a urinalis kit called

diascreen (which can test pH levels between 5 and 9) and I also have pHdrion

paper tape (which can test pH levels between 5.5 and 8)

 

pH ranges from 1 (the most acidy) to 14 (the most alkaline), from:

http://www.wcsscience.com/pH/page.html

 

" Each whole pH value below 7 is ten times more acidic than the next higher

value. For example, a pH of 4 is ten times more acidic than a pH of 5 and 100

times more acidic than a pH of 6.

The same holds true for pH values above 7, each of which is ten times more

basic than the next lower whole value. For example, a pH of 9 is ten times more

basic than a pH of 8.

 

Pure water is neutral, with a pH of 7.0. When chemicals are mixed with water,

the mixture can become either acidic or basic. Vinegar and lemon juice are

acidic substances, while laundry detergents and ammonia are basic. (Another word

for basic is 'alkaline'). "

 

Okay, so I tested my bottled water (delivered by Culigan, purified, distilled

reverse osmosis) and it had the highest pH my tests would allow, which was 5.

I tested my tap water it was 7 and I added acorbic acid crystals to the tap

and then it matched the culligan at 5. (now, are we not told to avoid vitamin

C on the teeth?)

 

Anyway, I also tested two more bottled waters in my house, my trader joe

bottled water sports cap water and my arrowhead sparkling water by nestle, all

these tested at 5!!!

 

I tested a friend's water from the water store, it was 5ish, his tap water

was around 7 but his german sparkling mineral water called " Gerolsteiner " and

this was the only bottled water that was alkaline at 8.

 

I called Culligan and asked what was in the water to make it acidy, (btw, the

manager had to call the bottling plant to answer my questions) I was told it

was acidy because it was purified, nothing in the water to alkaline in,

everything taken out, (well, I thought everything I was told about pure water is

that it is nuetral) anyway, they said that their water tests usually at a 5 or 6

and that this is safe for consumption (I figured that, but is it safe for

tooth enamal?) they told me that they would not bottle it if it were below 5,

(but

with the kits I have, I can not test below 5!)

 

So, I am now leary of my bottled water, and in order to alkaline it we are

rinsing with baking soda, and my kids thankfully like the old fashioned remedy

of brushing with baking soda, this is amazingly removing the plaque more

effectively than when we brush with no tooth paste or the times when we use

toothpaste (whether it was flouride or nonflouride) my son immediately quit

having

breath problems and also his gums look better than ever! I am also trying to

make sure he eats through out the day. He has also drinking more water that

comes from the filtered tap.

 

Anyway, I thought I would spread the word about bottled water just in case

there is a link. And also how simple baking soda is helping.

 

Another experiment I plan to try is to take his fallen out baby teeth and

soak them in bottled water to see what happens. right now I'm waiting on some

teeth to fall out

 

 

anybody else, have, urinalysis kits to check pH? or pH testing kits that also

test below 5, I would be interested in knowing how low the reading for the

bottled water pH can get.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I have a great water filtration system and can give you all sorts of info.

about the ph etc. Feel free to email me.

Laura

anybody else, have, urinalysis kits to check pH? or pH testing kits that also

test below 5, I would be interested in knowing how low the reading for the

bottled water pH can get.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I tested the waters in my home and found the opposite to be true. The filtered

tap water is definitely more acidic than the bottled, which I'd already kind of

guessed. I had a friend tell me a while ago that her brother-in-law had been

researching low-acid diets, and came across some information that suggested that

a lot of tap water is very acidic. Maybe it's the difference between well water

and city water? I dunno.

 

BTW, you mentioned that lemons are very acidic, but it might be interesting to

note that lemon juice turns alkaline once it comes in contact with the mouth.

I've had more than one natural health practitioner recommend adding fresh lemon

juice to drinking water in order to help balance the body's pH.

 

 

bkwildcray wrote:

 

I know a variety of families that have children with tooth decay. these

families practice very different lifestyles, to very health conscious, to very

mainstearm fast food, some avoid flouride, others welcome flouride, some have

not

vaccinated their children, and others welcome vaccines completely and done the

whole scedule on their kids. Some were born, with all kinds of drugs during

labor and some where born drug free labors.

 

the diets of these children range from, low sugar vegan, with no juice,

bottles or sippy cups, to mostly vegetarian with lots of juice, to a high animal

based diet, almost every meal but as whole oriented as possible, and to a

totally whatever diet, of fast foods.

 

so far only one of my children has some evidence of tooth decay and acid

spots, we avoid flouride and we are vegan, but he is my oldest child and the

other two haven't yet reached age 4 when he first showed signs of tooth decay

(he

is six now, and he needs lots of brushing to deal with his plaque build up,

anyway, I am sure he'd have a lot more cavity problem if I wasn't the one

brushing his teeth and also it seems he needs a lot more maintence than I

needed)

 

the child with the worst cavities (needing root canal) is a six year older

whose family avoids flouride (and dosn't vaccinate) he is not even vegetarian,

he is an avid animal eater, loves meat, avoids veggies.

 

The child with the most cavities, was the non-avoider of flouride and

vaccines, mostly vegetarian, loves yogurt and has a high cheese diet (but he was

also

the youngest child that showed tooth decay, starting around age 2).

 

most of the parents of these kids did not have tooth decay as a child.

However, the parents are sure that their children brushed more than they

themselves

did when they were children.

 

However, I am guessing that all the children and there parents were not very

regular or careful about brushing teeth, (but still, the childrens parents got

away with similar tooth brushing habits and never got cavities)

 

Another commonality with the kids with tooth decay is that they are sugar

sensitive, meaning they can get low blood sugar easy and act out as a result,

also they tend to get busy and not eat very much, so I imagine that they

ocassionally go into ketosis (I did find keytones in the urine of one such kid)

The

kids will get some bad and I mean BAD morning breath every now and then. So

part of the problem I think is that the kids get overacid from ketosis. but

still, I am sure these kids parents would probally also had times of ketosis and

meal skipping or eating very little some days. I cant imagine that this is

something that children are doing now that hasn't always been done from time to

time in the childhoods of the past, also among malnurished starving people, it

is amazing how little tooth decay there is!

 

Anyway, I remember reading in some dental journal that tooth decay among

children, is on the rise and is reaching epidemic proportions. Suggestions of

contagious bacteria, and stressful lives might be the culprit, and also

becoming a fast food nation. and lots of connection with soda pop. (but the

parents

belive that their own children withtooth decay are having less soda and sugar

than they themselves had as children)

 

So although their might be other commonalities between these families, the

most obvious one to me besides that they might all be having a bacterial problem

is that they all drink bottled water. something that the adults did not drink

when they themselves were kids (btw, I do not have any rawfoodist children

connections so, I don't know if this is a problem among raw foodist children) I

don't know if bottled water is truly the problem but the fact that it tested

so acidy makes me wonder.

 

Water is supposed to be nuetral pH of 7, right? Well, not bottled water!

(all my bottled water had the the most acidy that my pH tests would show)

 

most of us know that acidy things thin the enamal of teeth, baby teeth

already has thinner enamal than adult teeth.

 

anyway, I have two different ways to test pH, I have a urinalis kit called

diascreen (which can test pH levels between 5 and 9) and I also have pHdrion

paper tape (which can test pH levels between 5.5 and 8)

 

pH ranges from 1 (the most acidy) to 14 (the most alkaline), from:

http://www.wcsscience.com/pH/page.html

 

" Each whole pH value below 7 is ten times more acidic than the next higher

value. For example, a pH of 4 is ten times more acidic than a pH of 5 and 100

times more acidic than a pH of 6.

The same holds true for pH values above 7, each of which is ten times more

basic than the next lower whole value. For example, a pH of 9 is ten times more

basic than a pH of 8.

 

Pure water is neutral, with a pH of 7.0. When chemicals are mixed with water,

the mixture can become either acidic or basic. Vinegar and lemon juice are

acidic substances, while laundry detergents and ammonia are basic. (Another word

for basic is 'alkaline'). "

 

Okay, so I tested my bottled water (delivered by Culigan, purified, distilled

reverse osmosis) and it had the highest pH my tests would allow, which was 5.

I tested my tap water it was 7 and I added acorbic acid crystals to the tap

and then it matched the culligan at 5. (now, are we not told to avoid vitamin

C on the teeth?)

 

Anyway, I also tested two more bottled waters in my house, my trader joe

bottled water sports cap water and my arrowhead sparkling water by nestle, all

these tested at 5!!!

 

I tested a friend's water from the water store, it was 5ish, his tap water

was around 7 but his german sparkling mineral water called " Gerolsteiner " and

this was the only bottled water that was alkaline at 8.

 

I called Culligan and asked what was in the water to make it acidy, (btw, the

manager had to call the bottling plant to answer my questions) I was told it

was acidy because it was purified, nothing in the water to alkaline in,

everything taken out, (well, I thought everything I was told about pure water is

that it is nuetral) anyway, they said that their water tests usually at a 5 or 6

and that this is safe for consumption (I figured that, but is it safe for

tooth enamal?) they told me that they would not bottle it if it were below 5,

(but

with the kits I have, I can not test below 5!)

 

So, I am now leary of my bottled water, and in order to alkaline it we are

rinsing with baking soda, and my kids thankfully like the old fashioned remedy

of brushing with baking soda, this is amazingly removing the plaque more

effectively than when we brush with no tooth paste or the times when we use

toothpaste (whether it was flouride or nonflouride) my son immediately quit

having

breath problems and also his gums look better than ever! I am also trying to

make sure he eats through out the day. He has also drinking more water that

comes from the filtered tap.

 

Anyway, I thought I would spread the word about bottled water just in case

there is a link. And also how simple baking soda is helping.

 

Another experiment I plan to try is to take his fallen out baby teeth and

soak them in bottled water to see what happens. right now I'm waiting on some

teeth to fall out

 

 

anybody else, have, urinalysis kits to check pH? or pH testing kits that also

test below 5, I would be interested in knowing how low the reading for the

bottled water pH can get.