Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 My daughter spent a few days with my parent's last week. She gained a noticable amount of weight over the course of a few days. My husband eats eggs and doesn't exactly present a united front about not eating eggs. But he expects her to not be overweight. I needed her to spend the night with them last night. I always pack her food and tell her to only eat what I pack. OR fruit or vegetables - things she can see that is okay. If it is questionable DON'T eat it. I called to check on her and my mom said she ate 3 eggs last night with her dinner and 2 eggs this morning. I told her there is plenty of good, healthy food there that she can eat she doesn't need to eat crap like that. She said her cousin who also spent the night said that eggs are healthy. ARRRGGH. I know she can't understand that she can get a coronary eating that many eggs a day. To make matters worse my niece has skinny genes from her father's side of the family - you know people who can eat anything and not gain weight. Whereas my daughter seems to gain weight from looking at fatty foods. I don't even know how to approach this with my daughter. I can't watch her all the time to make sure she eats healthy. I can tell my parents that if they don't feed her properly (to MY definition of the word and I actually said what for her to eat on this trip cereal with soymilk and a piece a gardenburger soy sausage for breakfast, hummus on pita bread for lunch and fruit for lunch, and veggie burger and vegetables for dinner) then she can't stay over without me there. I know I'm being too hard on my daughter its MY parents who are at fault. I'm just frustrated that I can't trust my parents with my daughter. And I can't trust her to just eat what I pack for her. Renee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Sounds like a nightmare to me, especially since they were YOUR parents! How old is your daughter? Before reading your message I considered trusting my son in a similar situation with my in-laws, but now I have second thoughts. - " Renee Carroll " <renecarol25 Monday, August 22, 2005 4:19 PM more grandparent stuff > My daughter spent a few days with my parent's last > week. She gained a noticable amount of weight over > the course of a few days. My husband eats eggs and > doesn't exactly present a united front about not > eating eggs. But he expects her to not be overweight. > I needed her to spend the night with them last night. > I always pack her food and tell her to only eat what > I pack. OR fruit or vegetables - things she can see > that is okay. If it is questionable DON'T eat it. I > called to check on her and my mom said she ate 3 eggs > last night with her dinner and 2 eggs this morning. I > told her there is plenty of good, healthy food there > that she can eat she doesn't need to eat crap like > that. She said her cousin who also spent the night > said that eggs are healthy. ARRRGGH. I know she > can't understand that she can get a coronary eating > that many eggs a day. To make matters worse my niece > has skinny genes from her father's side of the family > - you know people who can eat anything and not gain > weight. Whereas my daughter seems to gain weight from > looking at fatty foods. I don't even know how to > approach this with my daughter. I can't watch her all > the time to make sure she eats healthy. I can tell my > parents that if they don't feed her properly (to MY > definition of the word and I actually said what for > her to eat on this trip cereal with soymilk and a > piece a gardenburger soy sausage for breakfast, hummus > on pita bread for lunch and fruit for lunch, and > veggie burger and vegetables for dinner) then she > can't stay over without me there. I know I'm being > too hard on my daughter its MY parents who are at > fault. > I'm just frustrated that I can't trust my parents with > my daughter. And I can't trust her to just eat what I > pack for her. > Renee > > > > > > > > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Ugh, I can commisserate...that's why we live thousands of miles away from both sets of grandparents...neither of them are vegetarian and I just received some lovely info on vaccinations from my dear dear mother-in- law after we've told her repeatedly that we haven't decided whether or not we even intend to vaccinate...if we lived any closer I'm afraid I would get way too much 'help' raising MY daughter. Don't you hate to have to threaten and distrust your own family!! Angel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 My late mother-in-law was extremely anti-vaccinations. Yet all her kids were vaccinated. She wanted everything to be gotten 'right' for her grand-children. The children she got to send home.... Renee --- Angel <angel_page wrote: > Ugh, > I can commisserate...that's why we live thousands of > miles away from > both sets of grandparents...neither of them are > vegetarian and I just > received some lovely info on vaccinations from my > dear dear mother-in- > law after we've told her repeatedly that we haven't > decided whether or > not we even intend to vaccinate...if we lived any > closer I'm afraid I > would get way too much 'help' raising MY daughter. > Don't you hate to have to threaten and distrust your > own family!! > Angel > > > > > > Mail - You care about security. So do we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Veganism is something I leaned towards for years. My husband loves his cheese omlettes though so a lot of my leanings towards veganism have been met by heavy opposition. In the past she has been allowed to eat organic dairy and eggs from a farm where the chickens were kept as pets. Over the past year or two we've transitioned to all soy milk products (soy yogurt, soy cheese, etc) instead of organic dairy. She has trouble understanding the difference between the eggs we used to eat a couple of years ago and the eggs from the grocery store that other people might give her. I think veganism sends a clearer message - no eggs period. My husband and I talked about the cake/cookie non-vegan stuff and decided to let her choose when in those situations. I was vegetarian since I was four years old so I've walked where she treads myself. I want her to make her own choices but I want her to make the choices I would make for her. Renee --- Wendi Johnson <vegforce3 wrote: > The problem is that that stuff looks and tastes > yummy - there is all this propaganda around kids > with unhealthy messages - It is hard to take the > apple when everyone else is eating the yummy stuff - > she doesn't get the cholesterol kills thing yet. My > daughter has a hard time at her grandparents and at > school - candy - unvegan candy - and treats are > everywhere - each time she makes the choice to eat > that stuff - at school - still working on the > grandparents - but this web group really gave me a > lot of good ideas - we explain why we don't eat milk > chocolate - or cake with eggs in it- We explain the > animal issue - and she loves animals and so - it > makes sense to her. And, yes, the grandparents > really need to respect you and your parenting. > Wendi __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 She's five and a half. She has stayed with them before. When she was about 4 they had given her canned baked beans that had meat in them - because they didn't read the ingredients. When I found out I was really mad. She didn't stay with them for a long time. That is when I started packing food for her to take on overnight trips. And we talked about ONLY eating what I pack. I would put all of 'her' food in a cooler. That way she knew what went in and what was 'okay' to eat. Those things are important for her to understand so that she knows when to recognize something isn't right. Knowing what goes in the cooler is the rules for staying with anybody. I know I am hard on her. But I can't be with her all the time. How old is your son? Renee --- admartin <admartin wrote: > Sounds like a nightmare to me, especially since they > were YOUR parents! How > old is your daughter? Before reading your message I > considered trusting my > son in a similar situation with my in-laws, but now > I have second thoughts. > > - > " Renee Carroll " <renecarol25 > > Monday, August 22, 2005 4:19 PM > more grandparent stuff > > > > My daughter spent a few days with my parent's last > > week. She gained a noticable amount of weight > over > > the course of a few days. My husband eats eggs > and > > doesn't exactly present a united front about not > > eating eggs. But he expects her to not be > overweight. > > I needed her to spend the night with them last > night. > > I always pack her food and tell her to only eat > what > > I pack. OR fruit or vegetables - things she can > see > > that is okay. If it is questionable DON'T eat it. > I > > called to check on her and my mom said she ate 3 > eggs > > last night with her dinner and 2 eggs this > morning. I > > told her there is plenty of good, healthy food > there > > that she can eat she doesn't need to eat crap like > > that. She said her cousin who also spent the > night > > said that eggs are healthy. ARRRGGH. I know she > > can't understand that she can get a coronary > eating > > that many eggs a day. To make matters worse my > niece > > has skinny genes from her father's side of the > family > > - you know people who can eat anything and not > gain > > weight. Whereas my daughter seems to gain weight > from > > looking at fatty foods. I don't even know how to > > approach this with my daughter. I can't watch her > all > > the time to make sure she eats healthy. I can > tell my > > parents that if they don't feed her properly (to > MY > > definition of the word and I actually said what > for > > her to eat on this trip cereal with soymilk and a > > piece a gardenburger soy sausage for breakfast, > hummus > > on pita bread for lunch and fruit for lunch, and > > veggie burger and vegetables for dinner) then she > > can't stay over without me there. I know I'm > being > > too hard on my daughter its MY parents who are at > > fault. > > I'm just frustrated that I can't trust my parents > with > > my daughter. And I can't trust her to just eat > what I > > pack for her. > > Renee > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please > visit the VRG website at > http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially > useful for families go to > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list > and is not intended to > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice > should be obtained from a > qualified health professional. > > > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained > from a qualified health > professional. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Hard one Not sure how old ur daughter is but how about this, tell your daughter that if she is offered egg she could eat just one a day and not 3 -4 .. and that eating so much is not good for health. she might agree to that. When you say don't eat it at all it might be difficult to resist but if you limit the quantity then she as well as ur parents might not mind giving it a try. ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:19:16 -0700 (PDT) > Renee Carroll <renecarol25 > more grandparent stuff > > My daughter spent a few days with my parent's last > week. She gained a noticable amount of weight over > the course of a few days. My husband eats eggs and > doesn't exactly present a united front about not > eating eggs. But he expects her to not be > overweight. > I needed her to spend the night with them last > night. > I always pack her food and tell her to only eat > what > I pack. OR fruit or vegetables - things she can see > that is okay. If it is questionable DON'T eat it. > I > called to check on her and my mom said she ate 3 > eggs > last night with her dinner and 2 eggs this morning. > I > told her there is plenty of good, healthy food there > that she can eat she doesn't need to eat crap like > that. She said her cousin who also spent the night > said that eggs are healthy. ARRRGGH. I know she > can't understand that she can get a coronary eating > that many eggs a day. To make matters worse my > niece > has skinny genes from her father's side of the > family > - you know people who can eat anything and not gain > weight. Whereas my daughter seems to gain weight > from > looking at fatty foods. I don't even know how to > approach this with my daughter. I can't watch her > all > the time to make sure she eats healthy. I can tell > my > parents that if they don't feed her properly (to MY > definition of the word and I actually said what for > her to eat on this trip cereal with soymilk and a > piece a gardenburger soy sausage for breakfast, > hummus > on pita bread for lunch and fruit for lunch, and > veggie burger and vegetables for dinner) then she > can't stay over without me there. I know I'm being > too hard on my daughter its MY parents who are at > fault. > I'm just frustrated that I can't trust my parents > with > my daughter. And I can't trust her to just eat what > I > pack for her. > Renee > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 2 > Tue, 23 Aug 2005 05:10:45 -0000 > " mamacrocs " <angelas2 > Re: Vegan Hair Coloring > > If you'd rather not color, you might try > supplementing with PABA. > > Angela > > > , " admartin " > <admartin@e...> wrote: > > After getting too many comments about my graying > hair, particularly > the one > > from my > > 2-year old who asked " Why does Mommy [in her early > 40's] have white > and > > black hair?, " I've decided to consider hiding the > gray! > > > > Does anyone know of any temporary coloring > products that don't have > any > > harmful substances in them and are vegan? I > searched for such a > product a > > couple of years ago, but came up with nothing. > > > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please > visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for > materials especially useful for families go to > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list > and is not intended to provide personal medical > advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a > qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained > from a qualified health professional. > > > ------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 He'll be 5 in October. I have put so much trust in him because he has a strong will like his mother! Thus far, when he has been in a situation where food is put before him that he knows Mommy would never give him to eat, he has pushed the food aside or has said " no thank you " to the server. He has done this without knowing that I was observing him in the situation. So I thought I could trust him when he is totally out of my reach until I read your message. I don't think what you're doing is being hard on your daughter. I have explained in minute detail why it is best to eat the way we do and my son seems to go along with it, especially for now. I use people that are familiar to him who are suffering from diet-related illnesses as examples why it is best to eat the way we do. - " Renee Carroll " <renecarol25 Wednesday, August 24, 2005 9:39 AM Re: more grandparent stuff > She's five and a half. She has stayed with them > before. When she was about 4 they had given her > canned baked beans that had meat in them - because > they didn't read the ingredients. When I found out I > was really mad. She didn't stay with them for a long > time. That is when I started packing food for her to > take on overnight trips. And we talked about ONLY > eating what I pack. I would put all of 'her' food in > a cooler. That way she knew what went in and what was > 'okay' to eat. Those things are important for her to > understand so that she knows when to recognize > something isn't right. Knowing what goes in the > cooler is the rules for staying with anybody. I know > I am hard on her. But I can't be with her all the > time. > How old is your son? > Renee > > --- admartin <admartin wrote: > > > Sounds like a nightmare to me, especially since they > > were YOUR parents! How > > old is your daughter? Before reading your message I > > considered trusting my > > son in a similar situation with my in-laws, but now > > I have second thoughts. > > > > - > > " Renee Carroll " <renecarol25 > > > > Monday, August 22, 2005 4:19 PM > > more grandparent stuff > > > > > > > My daughter spent a few days with my parent's last > > > week. She gained a noticable amount of weight > > over > > > the course of a few days. My husband eats eggs > > and > > > doesn't exactly present a united front about not > > > eating eggs. But he expects her to not be > > overweight. > > > I needed her to spend the night with them last > > night. > > > I always pack her food and tell her to only eat > > what > > > I pack. OR fruit or vegetables - things she can > > see > > > that is okay. If it is questionable DON'T eat it. > > I > > > called to check on her and my mom said she ate 3 > > eggs > > > last night with her dinner and 2 eggs this > > morning. I > > > told her there is plenty of good, healthy food > > there > > > that she can eat she doesn't need to eat crap like > > > that. She said her cousin who also spent the > > night > > > said that eggs are healthy. ARRRGGH. I know she > > > can't understand that she can get a coronary > > eating > > > that many eggs a day. To make matters worse my > > niece > > > has skinny genes from her father's side of the > > family > > > - you know people who can eat anything and not > > gain > > > weight. Whereas my daughter seems to gain weight > > from > > > looking at fatty foods. I don't even know how to > > > approach this with my daughter. I can't watch her > > all > > > the time to make sure she eats healthy. I can > > tell my > > > parents that if they don't feed her properly (to > > MY > > > definition of the word and I actually said what > > for > > > her to eat on this trip cereal with soymilk and a > > > piece a gardenburger soy sausage for breakfast, > > hummus > > > on pita bread for lunch and fruit for lunch, and > > > veggie burger and vegetables for dinner) then she > > > can't stay over without me there. I know I'm > > being > > > too hard on my daughter its MY parents who are at > > > fault. > > > I'm just frustrated that I can't trust my parents > > with > > > my daughter. And I can't trust her to just eat > > what I > > > pack for her. > > > Renee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please > > visit the VRG website at > > http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially > > useful for families go to > > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list > > and is not intended to > > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice > > should be obtained from a > > qualified health professional. > > > > > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained > > from a qualified health > > professional. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2005 Report Share Posted August 25, 2005 Whenever my children are going to be in a setting where " kosher " food would not be available, I pack a sack for them. At least for now, they don't have problems with being the odd-balls at these settings, even when they are around other children their ages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2005 Report Share Posted August 26, 2005 , carol sobczak <cpsobczak> wrote: > I have a recipe for vegan brownies that I got from " Cooking with Peta " that are better than any other brownie I've ever had, vegan or not. I also have several vegan dessert cookbooks because I am a cake and cookie freak so I have to make my own. Check some of them out. While they aren't really " healthy " they are vegan. > Carol, Do you have a frosting recipe that you like? I haven't found one that pipes well. They all get too soft. Also, I hope to find one that isn't so sweet. Just the smell of all that sugar make us a little ill. I read somewhere of a recipe that uses flour in the frosting. Do yo know where this is? I tried Stepianick's sea foam icing but that isn't the right consisitency at all. Have you tried piping any of the tofu based frostings? My dd birthday is in 2 weeks and I am trying to find a recipe that will stand up to the FL heat. Dr. Oeteker's frosting is vegan - it is an unbleached confectioner's sugar. It is sooo sweet! I used Willow Run soy margarine with it. Earth Balance doesn't stay firm at room temperature. We also don't like the taste of the frosting with Spectrum shortening. Taste side, the frosting made like this doesn't hold up in the heat and humidity here. I hope you have some experience that will be helpful to me. Anyone with experience with flour or tofu based frostings? Do they pipe well? Do you have a favorite recipe? Thanks, Carrol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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