Guest guest Posted October 15, 2005 Report Share Posted October 15, 2005 Hey everyone, My younger son is almost 7 and he still wears pull ups at night. And on quite a few nights he will wet thru the pull up and soak the bed anyway. Does anyone have any suggestions for helping him? My older son also had this problem, he wore pull ups until he was 8, but he didn't soak thru them. A brief history: My little guy had a brain hemorrhage when he was 6 weeks old. He recovered well from that, but was left with enlarged ventricles in his brain. None of this has affected his intelligence, but I think he has some physical deficits, although they are minor and debatable (some kids are just less coordinated than others). Anyway, in spite of a pretty good diet and a fiber supplement, he tends to get pretty constipated. I've read that being constipated can put pressure on the bladder and cause wetting problems, so that may be part of the problem. I think the constipation is a result of the brain injury, but the doctors all say no. Seems to me that anything controlled by the brain, which is EVERYTHING relating to the body, has the potential to be affected by a brain trauma, but what do I know? He also wets himself sometimes during the day, 2 or 3 times already this year he has had to change his clothes at school. I think that is due to waiting til the last minute to go and then having someone else in the bathroom. The teacher has told him that if someone is in the room bathroom he is allowed to just go out into the hallway bathroom without telling her or asking for permission. Thanks for any help anyone can give! Peace, Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Hi Laura, My Prescription for Nutritional Healing book recommends supplementing with Calcium and Magnesium to help control bladder spasms. It also says to omit cow's milk, carbonated beverages (sodas, etc), chocolate, cocoa, cooked spinach, refined carbohydrates(including junk food), rhubarb, and products containing caffeine or food coloring. I find this book to be really wonderful and has great information on just about any ailment. It tells what foods to avoid for a given problem or what foods are good. It also suggests supplements and herbs. For the daytime could the teacher perhaps cue him to go to the washroom at appropriate intervals so that he doesn't have a chance to get too desperate? Jacqueline http://adhdnme.blogspot.com On Behalf Of progressive7862 October 15, 2005 8:35 AM Bedwetting. Hey everyone, My younger son is almost 7 and he still wears pull ups at night. And on quite a few nights he will wet thru the pull up and soak the bed anyway. Does anyone have any suggestions for helping him? My older son also had this problem, he wore pull ups until he was 8, but he didn't soak thru them. A brief history: My little guy had a brain hemorrhage when he was 6 weeks old. He recovered well from that, but was left with enlarged ventricles in his brain. None of this has affected his intelligence, but I think he has some physical deficits, although they are minor and debatable (some kids are just less coordinated than others). Anyway, in spite of a pretty good diet and a fiber supplement, he tends to get pretty constipated. I've read that being constipated can put pressure on the bladder and cause wetting problems, so that may be part of the problem. I think the constipation is a result of the brain injury, but the doctors all say no. Seems to me that anything controlled by the brain, which is EVERYTHING relating to the body, has the potential to be affected by a brain trauma, but what do I know? He also wets himself sometimes during the day, 2 or 3 times already this year he has had to change his clothes at school. I think that is due to waiting til the last minute to go and then having someone else in the bathroom. The teacher has told him that if someone is in the room bathroom he is allowed to just go out into the hallway bathroom without telling her or asking for permission. Thanks for any help anyone can give! Peace, Laura For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 My 4-year-old son has a condition called right hemiplegia, caused by a small stroke that occurred on the left side of his brain when he was still in the womb. This results mostly in an imbalance in muscle tone between the two sides of the body, but he also has incontinence problems. He is potty trained, but he often has accidents when he waits until the last minute before realizing he has to go. Has also still has accidents at night and sometimes soaks through his pull ups, but at 4 I don't consider nighttime wetting unusual. When he was younger, constipation was an issue for him, although that seems to have resolved itself at this point. As I read more about other kids and families with this condition, I am running across a lot of parents who report that their kids also have incontinence and constipation problems. Frequently their doctors say it can't be related, but it comes up so often that I really have to wonder. Anyway, things that I have found that help are setting a regular schedule for taking pee breaks, watching for signs (e.g. the " peepee dance " ) that he needs to go and reminding him to do so, requiring a toilet trip immediately before bedtime, and cutting back on drinks in the evening. He still pees at night (not unexpected, as I said), but he rarely soaks through the pull up anymore. Cutting back on the drinks has been the biggest help in that respect, I think. ---- Patricia Bullington-McGuire <patricia The brilliant Cerebron, attacking the problem analytically, discovered three distinct kinds of dragon: the mythical, the chimerical, and the purely hypothetical. They were all, one might say, nonexistent, but each nonexisted in an entirely different way ... -- Stanislaw Lem, " Cyberiad " progressive7862 said: > Hey everyone, > > My younger son is almost 7 and he still wears pull ups at night. And > on quite a few nights he will wet thru the pull up and soak the bed > anyway. Does anyone have any suggestions for helping him? My older > son also had this problem, he wore pull ups until he was 8, but he > didn't soak thru them. > > A brief history: My little guy had a brain hemorrhage when he was 6 > weeks old. He recovered well from that, but was left with enlarged > ventricles in his brain. None of this has affected his intelligence, > but I think he has some physical deficits, although they are minor > and debatable (some kids are just less coordinated than others). > Anyway, in spite of a pretty good diet and a fiber supplement, he > tends to get pretty constipated. I've read that being constipated > can put pressure on the bladder and cause wetting problems, so that > may be part of the problem. I think the constipation is a result of > the brain injury, but the doctors all say no. Seems to me that > anything controlled by the brain, which is EVERYTHING relating to > the body, has the potential to be affected by a brain trauma, but > what do I know? He also wets himself sometimes during the day, 2 or > 3 times already this year he has had to change his clothes at > school. I think that is due to waiting til the last minute to go and > then having someone else in the bathroom. The teacher has told him > that if someone is in the room bathroom he is allowed to just go out > into the hallway bathroom without telling her or asking for > permission. > Thanks for any help anyone can give! > > Peace, > Laura > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at > http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a > qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health > professional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Has he ever had bladder infections? Or have you ever gotten him tested for bladder infections? All of these symptoms can be associated with Kidney Reflux-if the bladder infections are there too. Just a possibility. If its not that than have you tried treating the constipation? That could be causing all of the bladder related incidents. , " progressive7862 " <allens717@c...> wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > My younger son is almost 7 and he still wears pull ups at night. And > on quite a few nights he will wet thru the pull up and soak the bed > anyway. Does anyone have any suggestions for helping him? My older > son also had this problem, he wore pull ups until he was 8, but he > didn't soak thru them. > > A brief history: My little guy had a brain hemorrhage when he was 6 > weeks old. He recovered well from that, but was left with enlarged > ventricles in his brain. None of this has affected his intelligence, > but I think he has some physical deficits, although they are minor > and debatable (some kids are just less coordinated than others). > Anyway, in spite of a pretty good diet and a fiber supplement, he > tends to get pretty constipated. I've read that being constipated > can put pressure on the bladder and cause wetting problems, so that > may be part of the problem. I think the constipation is a result of > the brain injury, but the doctors all say no. Seems to me that > anything controlled by the brain, which is EVERYTHING relating to > the body, has the potential to be affected by a brain trauma, but > what do I know? He also wets himself sometimes during the day, 2 or > 3 times already this year he has had to change his clothes at > school. I think that is due to waiting til the last minute to go and > then having someone else in the bathroom. The teacher has told him > that if someone is in the room bathroom he is allowed to just go out > into the hallway bathroom without telling her or asking for > permission. > Thanks for any help anyone can give! > > Peace, > Laura > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 HI Laura, I can understand where you are coming from! My son is a bedwetter-- he is 12 now and we have never been able to find the trigger. His doc says he is " just a bedwetter " and will grow out of it. We have gone the psychological route and have not made any progress--for us it is just something we live with. He has not wet in the daytime since he was in 1st grade. My son is a heavy sleeper and also sleepwalks and ends up in strange places--like lying naked on the bathroom floor--never remembers a thing. We figure he just sleeps too hard. Some things we have tried that may help for you is to cut off food and fluids at night, eat something salty before bed, wake him up in the night to go to the bathroom, give him the responsibility for changing the sheets (not in a punitive way but in a logical way). The other comment you made about the constipation contributing to the bedwetting is something I have read as well. My son suffered from incopresis until about a year ago--that is soiling in his pants during the day. It was an anxiety thing for him to use a public restroom so he would hold it until he could hold it no longer. One of the things I learn that may help your son is that our colon is stimulated to eliminate about 10 to 20 minutes after we eat. One of the trainings we did with him was to have him sit on the toilet after eating and see if we could get him to go to the bathroom. that may help with your son's constipation. You also might want to eliminate allergens from his diet and see if he has a food allergy-- things like wheat, sugar, coloring etc. can sometimes cause an allergy that can aggrivate bedwetting. Good Luck! , " progressive7862 " <allens717@c...> wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > My younger son is almost 7 and he still wears pull ups at night. And > on quite a few nights he will wet thru the pull up and soak the bed > anyway. Does anyone have any suggestions for helping him? My older > son also had this problem, he wore pull ups until he was 8, but he > didn't soak thru them. > > A brief history: My little guy had a brain hemorrhage when he was 6 > weeks old. He recovered well from that, but was left with enlarged > ventricles in his brain. None of this has affected his intelligence, > but I think he has some physical deficits, although they are minor > and debatable (some kids are just less coordinated than others). > Anyway, in spite of a pretty good diet and a fiber supplement, he > tends to get pretty constipated. I've read that being constipated > can put pressure on the bladder and cause wetting problems, so that > may be part of the problem. I think the constipation is a result of > the brain injury, but the doctors all say no. Seems to me that > anything controlled by the brain, which is EVERYTHING relating to > the body, has the potential to be affected by a brain trauma, but > what do I know? He also wets himself sometimes during the day, 2 or > 3 times already this year he has had to change his clothes at > school. I think that is due to waiting til the last minute to go and > then having someone else in the bathroom. The teacher has told him > that if someone is in the room bathroom he is allowed to just go out > into the hallway bathroom without telling her or asking for > permission. > Thanks for any help anyone can give! > > Peace, > Laura > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 On the subject of encopresis, one of my daughters has been fighting this too, and our nurse practitioner gave us an interesting " prescription " to help deal with the situation. We've seen from the X-ray that instead of total intestinal blockage, my daughter has pockets of blockage throughout her large intestine, causing an obstacle course. The NP mentioned some medication that is normally used to help push this stuff out, and I asked her if there was a non-pharmacological way to handle it. She thought a bit, smiled, and recommended 1/2 cup of chocolate covered raisins a day as a natural solution. Sounds like heaven, right? Believe me, it's *too* much sweet -- my daughter is begging me to give it to her mostly in dried raisins with only a little bit of the chocolate covered ones! This is the child who eats her veggies first, so it's not like she doesn't get enough roughage. If you've been told that constipation is part of the problem, why not try chocolate raisins for a while? Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2005 Report Share Posted October 23, 2005 As far as I know, encopresis is not caused by constipation it is often the other way around. Encopresis has to have some behavioral intervention along with the medical. It is a very challenging condition to treat. Enuresis is much easier. Although my dd was potty trained at 3 1/2 during the day but she had accidents and was not at all trained at night. She did have a medical issue. We did use the medical/behavioral approach and now at 8 she is fine. " E.R. Bakwin " <bakwin wrote:On the subject of encopresis, one of my daughters has been fighting this too, and our nurse practitioner gave us an interesting " prescription " to help deal with the situation. We've seen from the X-ray that instead of total intestinal blockage, my daughter has pockets of blockage throughout her large intestine, causing an obstacle course. The NP mentioned some medication that is normally used to help push this stuff out, and I asked her if there was a non-pharmacological way to handle it. She thought a bit, smiled, and recommended 1/2 cup of chocolate covered raisins a day as a natural solution. Sounds like heaven, right? Believe me, it's *too* much sweet -- my daughter is begging me to give it to her mostly in dried raisins with only a little bit of the chocolate covered ones! This is the child who eats her veggies first, so it's not like she doesn't get enough roughage. If you've been told that constipation is part of the problem, why not try chocolate raisins for a while? Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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