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While I can't advise on relationships as I have never been divorced

or had any disagreements as to what my child will or will not eat

with my spouse, I have some experience in compromise, with my in-laws.

 

My in-laws while well-meaning don't agree with me on some issues.

They get stuck on details like " babies need milk. " My mother-in-law

grew up on a farm where they grew their own vegetables and ate their

own animals. So, she has some ideas as stubborn as mine. ;.)

 

She is also my daughter's babysitter two days a week. If I don't have

milk, she'll send my father-in-law to by some. My husband is a milk

drinker so to keep some control, I've started buying organic milk,

which I feel is safer for my daughter than typical milk even if it

is detrimental for the cows. Because for two mornings a week, the

argument isn't worth it.

 

My father-in-law feeds my toddler tastykakes after her lunch. While I

don't condone processed foods, I find this also an issue I'm not

going to fight since my daughter is on the low side of the weight

scale, extremely active, and will eat anything so she gets her

nutrients even if she indulges in this crap.

 

While I am NOT saying to give in to your ex's manipulation, I will

say that you shouldn't stress over anything your daughter might

consume in his presence. It's just not worth it. Especially if he

isn't around much. If your principles are strong enough, eventually

the kids will say " Daddy, we don't eat that. "

 

Angel A.

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My oldest is now 12, she has Down syndrome, my middle is 9, and my youngest is 2

1/2. I have all daughters. How many do you have? ~Shell

 

carol sobczak <cpsobczak wrote:I know you have said before, but how

old are your kids, Shelly?

Carol

 

 

 

 

 

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I hope that my girls will develop the strength and conviction you are

mentioning. My love for animals is intense, so are my ideals concerning their

welfare. My girls get up and play with thier friends I.E. Sabu our fat cat and

Gypsy our very dim-witted, yet adoreable dog. We also have numerous fish, which

they help care for and a teddy bear hamster. I will be adding a rabbit to our

family, once i research which species will be best for us. My girls truly and

completely love animals as much as I do. We live in Northern Ontario so we do

get to see moose, black bears, wolves, foxes, owls, etc. They know they are

important to the balance of life. They have the basis for developing into

extremely ethical women when they grow up. I just have to keep to my ideals and

continue teaching them. ~Shelly

 

darranged wrote:

While I can't advise on relationships as I have never been divorced

or had any disagreements as to what my child will or will not eat

with my spouse, I have some experience in compromise, with my in-laws.

 

My in-laws while well-meaning don't agree with me on some issues.

They get stuck on details like " babies need milk. " My mother-in-law

grew up on a farm where they grew their own vegetables and ate their

own animals. So, she has some ideas as stubborn as mine. ;.)

 

She is also my daughter's babysitter two days a week. If I don't have

milk, she'll send my father-in-law to by some. My husband is a milk

drinker so to keep some control, I've started buying organic milk,

which I feel is safer for my daughter than typical milk even if it

is detrimental for the cows. Because for two mornings a week, the

argument isn't worth it.

 

My father-in-law feeds my toddler tastykakes after her lunch. While I

don't condone processed foods, I find this also an issue I'm not

going to fight since my daughter is on the low side of the weight

scale, extremely active, and will eat anything so she gets her

nutrients even if she indulges in this crap.

 

While I am NOT saying to give in to your ex's manipulation, I will

say that you shouldn't stress over anything your daughter might

consume in his presence. It's just not worth it. Especially if he

isn't around much. If your principles are strong enough, eventually

the kids will say " Daddy, we don't eat that. "

 

Angel A.

 

 

 

 

 

For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to

provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

qualified health professional.

 

edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health

professional.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I have agreed with all of the posters who had advice for Shelly with the

exception of Angel A. Any relationship whether that be in laws, spouse etc,

is truly about respect and trust. IMO I fail to see where your in-laws

respect your decisions about your daughter. Moreover how can you trust them

to know that they would not feed your daughter meat when you are not there?

Perhaps you are not vegan and feeding your daughter " tastycakes " and milk

are agreeable to you. I absolutely think that this sends the wrong message

to the child that some foods are acceptable if Grandpa offers them to you.

As you so wonderfully stated " if your principles are strong enough your

daughter will say Grandpa I don't eat that " .

 

 

 

Carin

 

 

 

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Behalf Of darranged

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 1:07 PM

 

more advice for shelly

 

 

 

 

While I can't advise on relationships as I have never been divorced

or had any disagreements as to what my child will or will not eat

with my spouse, I have some experience in compromise, with my in-laws.

 

My in-laws while well-meaning don't agree with me on some issues.

They get stuck on details like " babies need milk. " My mother-in-law

grew up on a farm where they grew their own vegetables and ate their

own animals. So, she has some ideas as stubborn as mine. ;.)

 

She is also my daughter's babysitter two days a week. If I don't have

milk, she'll send my father-in-law to by some. My husband is a milk

drinker so to keep some control, I've started buying organic milk,

which I feel is safer for my daughter than typical milk even if it

is detrimental for the cows. Because for two mornings a week, the

argument isn't worth it.

 

My father-in-law feeds my toddler tastykakes after her lunch. While I

don't condone processed foods, I find this also an issue I'm not

going to fight since my daughter is on the low side of the weight

scale, extremely active, and will eat anything so she gets her

nutrients even if she indulges in this crap.

 

While I am NOT saying to give in to your ex's manipulation, I will

say that you shouldn't stress over anything your daughter might

consume in his presence. It's just not worth it. Especially if he

isn't around much. If your principles are strong enough, eventually

the kids will say " Daddy, we don't eat that. "

 

Angel A.

 

 

 

 

 

For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to

provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

qualified health professional.

 

edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health

professional.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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You made some great points Carin. I think that it is most valuable that all

people involved in a child's life be on the same page in terms of something as

important as veganism. I am receiving a lot of flak. We are new vegetarians, it

is a challenge. Something happened lastnight though. I was in the grocery store

and I could NOT do it, i could NOT buy the eggs and milk, nor the chesse. There

was no vegan cheese and I did not know what to use instead of eggs for my

muffins. I asked a few people in the store if they knew, but no one did. I went

home and looked through a book and found a replacement-bananas and baking

powder. It worked well! I was so impressed with myself. I think i might be

rushing the kids into absolute veganism though. They still want certain things,

but i just cannot bring myself to provide them. Christmas is going to be a trip,

even birthday parties and such. I hope my girls do not feel like outcasts. I am

hoping that others are going to work with me on this. It

is hard being in such a place as I am. It is hard to enforce values, especially

when they are not the common ones in a community that is more or less against

them. Do you know any excellent vegan recipes for bread or deserts, like baking

that i can use? I am pressed to offer vegan food that tastes as good or better

than omnifood. My youngest goes to a daycare that offers an omni menu. They have

been accomidating with her vegetarian diet, but now if i have them provide

totally vegan, she will freak because she sees the other kids with their cow

milk and cheese. She does not like soy milk, i am trying to get her used to it

though. I tell her that cow milk is for baby cows, not humans. She sorta gets it

I think. ~Shell

 

Brian & Carin Diggle <4vegans wrote:I have agreed with all of

the posters who had advice for Shelly with the

exception of Angel A. Any relationship whether that be in laws, spouse etc,

is truly about respect and trust. IMO I fail to see where your in-laws

respect your decisions about your daughter. Moreover how can you trust them

to know that they would not feed your daughter meat when you are not there?

Perhaps you are not vegan and feeding your daughter " tastycakes " and milk

are agreeable to you. I absolutely think that this sends the wrong message

to the child that some foods are acceptable if Grandpa offers them to you.

As you so wonderfully stated " if your principles are strong enough your

daughter will say Grandpa I don't eat that " .

 

 

 

Carin

 

 

 

_____

 

On

Behalf Of darranged

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 1:07 PM

 

more advice for shelly

 

 

 

 

While I can't advise on relationships as I have never been divorced

or had any disagreements as to what my child will or will not eat

with my spouse, I have some experience in compromise, with my in-laws.

 

My in-laws while well-meaning don't agree with me on some issues.

They get stuck on details like " babies need milk. " My mother-in-law

grew up on a farm where they grew their own vegetables and ate their

own animals. So, she has some ideas as stubborn as mine. ;.)

 

She is also my daughter's babysitter two days a week. If I don't have

milk, she'll send my father-in-law to by some. My husband is a milk

drinker so to keep some control, I've started buying organic milk,

which I feel is safer for my daughter than typical milk even if it

is detrimental for the cows. Because for two mornings a week, the

argument isn't worth it.

 

My father-in-law feeds my toddler tastykakes after her lunch. While I

don't condone processed foods, I find this also an issue I'm not

going to fight since my daughter is on the low side of the weight

scale, extremely active, and will eat anything so she gets her

nutrients even if she indulges in this crap.

 

While I am NOT saying to give in to your ex's manipulation, I will

say that you shouldn't stress over anything your daughter might

consume in his presence. It's just not worth it. Especially if he

isn't around much. If your principles are strong enough, eventually

the kids will say " Daddy, we don't eat that. "

 

Angel A.

 

 

 

 

 

For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to

provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

qualified health professional.

 

edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health

professional.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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