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hello i am new to this group. i was trying to find out things my son could eat

that maybe i hadnt heard of. many people are telling me to give him different

vitamins and other suppliments since he's become a veg. he still eats fish, eggs

and cheese the main thing he cut out all meat. he was never a big meat

eater,but he doesnt eat any type of meat at all. he is starting to have stomach

aches and some people are saying it may be to his diet and his body is shocked.

he's been doing this since august. i myself am not on this diet, but trying to

help him through this process. this has been his own decision to do this. he

is 10years old. do you think i should see a nutritionist who specializes in

vegetarian diets? or what other suppliments do he need instead of multivitamins.

what is he really losing by not eating meat? protein? i heard there is plent in

fish?? is this true?? can you give me some insite.

thank you

 

 

 

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I have never heard of stomach problems associated with giving up meat. In

fact my mom's surgeon recommended as close to a vegan diet as possible in

order to avoid colon cancer.

 

It could be that he has increased his dairy intake to compensate for the

meat that he no longer has in his diet. This may be causing him problems if

he is lactose intolerant. There are also people that are sensitive to soy

so if you have substituted " fake meat " for the real thing that could happen.

I would just take note of what he has eaten when he has had tummy troubles

and see if you can track it down that way. Not eating meat would not cause

this though.

 

Also, he can get plenty of protein on a vegetarian diet by eating beans,

legumes, tofu, nuts and seeds and so on.

 

Jacqueline C.

 

 

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November 14, 2005 5:18 PM

 

new veg. mom

 

hello i am new to this group. i was trying to find out things my son could

eat that maybe i hadnt heard of. many people are telling me to give him

different vitamins and other suppliments since he's become a veg. he still

eats fish, eggs and cheese the main thing he cut out all meat. he was never

a big meat eater,but he doesnt eat any type of meat at all. he is starting

to have stomach aches and some people are saying it may be to his diet and

his body is shocked. he's been doing this since august. i myself am not on

this diet, but trying to help him through this process. this has been his

own decision to do this. he is 10years old. do you think i should see a

nutritionist who specializes in vegetarian diets? or what other suppliments

do he need instead of multivitamins. what is he really losing by not eating

meat? protein? i heard there is plent in fish?? is this true?? can you give

me some insite.

thank you

 

 

 

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well he shouldn't be eating fish. People get mercury

posioning from eating more than (well depending on the

fish) as little as 4-6 oz of fish a week. We can get

omegas from safer vegetarian sources there is no

reason anyone should eat fish.

He should eat at least five servings of whole grains

such as bread, rice, pasta, cereal, corn, barley,

bagels and tortillas. He should eat three servings of

vegetables 1 cup raw or 1/2 cup cooked equals a

serving and eat a healthy variety of different colors

of vegetables (like spinach, broccoli, eggplant,

squash, carrots, etc). He should eat three servings

of fruit a day (not counting juice as it lacks the

needed fiber of whole fruit) strawberries, bananas,

grapes, apples, etc. And two servings of legumes for

protein - this includes fake meats, tofu, seitan,

chickpeas/hummus, beans, etc. My daughter's doctor

has me include an additional 3 servings of milk

substitutes - I guess for calcium. She normally

drinks 1-2 12 oz servings of chocolate soy milk and

1-2 4oz cups of soy yogurt. Its a dietary guideline

that we follow but I'm not sure is really necessary.

Renee

 

--- tehrifah BROWN <msgarfield30 wrote:

 

> hello i am new to this group. i was trying to find

> out things my son could eat that maybe i hadnt heard

> of. many people are telling me to give him

> different vitamins and other suppliments since he's

> become a veg. he still eats fish, eggs and cheese

> the main thing he cut out all meat. he was never a

> big meat eater,but he doesnt eat any type of meat at

> all. he is starting to have stomach aches and some

> people are saying it may be to his diet and his body

> is shocked. he's been doing this since august. i

> myself am not on this diet, but trying to help him

> through this process. this has been his own

> decision to do this. he is 10years old. do you

> think i should see a nutritionist who specializes in

> vegetarian diets? or what other suppliments do he

> need instead of multivitamins. what is he really

> losing by not eating meat? protein? i heard there is

> plent in fish?? is this true?? can you give me some

> insite.

> thank you

>

>

>

> FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in

> one click.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I have to agree with Renee on this one. Fish is not as good for you as pop

culture claims. Being that a fish is an animal, its flesh IS meat. Recently

there was a study conducted in Canada on toxic chemicals carried within them. As

with virtually the whole planet, the results indicated that Canadians are

contaminated. The most contaminated participant in the study was not someone

from a me to area, rather it was a chef from an isolated northern Indian

reservation. His mercury levels were through the roof. I have a friend that is

from that same reservation, they are known for eating a lot of fish, Do the

math, the answer is simple. Last year my daughter wanted to be a vegetarian, and

i supported her. Unfortunately, she failed as the rest of the family was eating

meat around her. We are now all vegan, except dad, who is not always here

anyway. I have had to do a lot of research, here are some sources that have

helped me. I wish you luck. A dietitian may be a good idea, i know others

who have used them. ~Shelly

 

http://www.vegetarianbaby.com/ http://www.pcrm.org/ www.goveg.net www.peta.com

 

Renee Carroll <renecarol25 wrote: well he shouldn't be eating fish.

People get mercury

posioning from eating more than (well depending on the

fish) as little as 4-6 oz of fish a week. We can get

omegas from safer vegetarian sources there is no

reason anyone should eat fish.

He should eat at least five servings of whole grains

such as bread, rice, pasta, cereal, corn, barley,

bagels and tortillas. He should eat three servings of

vegetables 1 cup raw or 1/2 cup cooked equals a

serving and eat a healthy variety of different colors

of vegetables (like spinach, broccoli, eggplant,

squash, carrots, etc). He should eat three servings

of fruit a day (not counting juice as it lacks the

needed fiber of whole fruit) strawberries, bananas,

grapes, apples, etc. And two servings of legumes for

protein - this includes fake meats, tofu, seitan,

chickpeas/hummus, beans, etc. My daughter's doctor

has me include an additional 3 servings of milk

substitutes - I guess for calcium. She normally

drinks 1-2 12 oz servings of chocolate soy milk and

1-2 4oz cups of soy yogurt. Its a dietary guideline

that we follow but I'm not sure is really necessary.

Renee

 

--- tehrifah BROWN <msgarfield30 wrote:

 

> hello i am new to this group. i was trying to find

> out things my son could eat that maybe i hadnt heard

> of. many people are telling me to give him

> different vitamins and other suppliments since he's

> become a veg. he still eats fish, eggs and cheese

> the main thing he cut out all meat. he was never a

> big meat eater,but he doesnt eat any type of meat at

> all. he is starting to have stomach aches and some

> people are saying it may be to his diet and his body

> is shocked. he's been doing this since august. i

> myself am not on this diet, but trying to help him

> through this process. this has been his own

> decision to do this. he is 10years old. do you

> think i should see a nutritionist who specializes in

> vegetarian diets? or what other suppliments do he

> need instead of multivitamins. what is he really

> losing by not eating meat? protein? i heard there is

> plent in fish?? is this true?? can you give me some

> insite.

> thank you

>

>

>

> FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in

> one click.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

 

 

 

For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to

http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to

provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a

qualified health professional.

 

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professional.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hello, Tehrifah!! Welcome to our group!

 

You must be very proud to have such a wise and contientious son!!

Wow!! He is also very lucky to have such a supportive and

understanding mother.

 

People will always have their two cents to add to how you are

raising your kids in all areas or parenting, whether you are too

strict, too permissive, you give him too much junk food, you are not

giving him enough sweets, etc. People will always have something to

say. The best you can do is do your research and know in your heart

that you are doing the right thing.

 

Many of us are at different levels of vegetarianism in this site.

Some eat eggs and dairy, others are strict vegan, and yet others

only eat raw vegan foods. For those of us who do not consume any

animal products whatsoever, we have to keep an eye on our amino

acids, or proteins, because whereas proteins derived from animals

are complete vegetable proteins are not. You can still get all your

complete protein through vegetable sources, but you have to eat the

right variety and combination of foods to do so. In addition, we

also have to supplement our vitamin B complex intake, especially B-

12. I have also found that I have to take other suplements for our

joints, such as glucosamine. Unless you eat vegan, you really have

nothing to worry about.

 

Regarding your son's stomach pains, during what part of the day does

it happen? I often find that my daughters' stomachs hurt when they

are either nervous or stress, but more often than ever is when they

have to go to the bathroom. Even when they don't feel like pooping,

when they complain of stomach pain I send them to sit on the toilet

for a few minutes and believe it or not they always had to go. Also,

during our first two weeks of eating vegan foods, we went through a

sort of natural cleansing process and were eliminating several times

per day.

 

Make sure your son gets enough fiber. Other than that you can check

with your regular pediatrician if symptoms persist. Remember that

symptoms can also be of emotional nature.

 

Hope that helps. Once again, welcome to our group and we look

forward to having you join us in our discussions!!

 

Best regards,

 

Shanthi

 

, tehrifah BROWN

<msgarfield30> wrote:

>

> hello i am new to this group. i was trying to find out things my

son could eat that maybe i hadnt heard of. many people are telling

me to give him different vitamins and other suppliments since he's

become a veg. he still eats fish, eggs and cheese the main thing he

cut out all meat. he was never a big meat eater,but he doesnt eat

any type of meat at all. he is starting to have stomach aches and

some people are saying it may be to his diet and his body is

shocked. he's been doing this since august. i myself am not on

this diet, but trying to help him through this process. this has

been his own decision to do this. he is 10years old. do you think

i should see a nutritionist who specializes in vegetarian diets? or

what other suppliments do he need instead of multivitamins. what is

he really losing by not eating meat? protein? i heard there is plent

in fish?? is this true?? can you give me some insite.

> thank you

>

>

>

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Soy and Hemp are both complete sources of protein. I believe there are other

plant based sources of complete proteins as well. I don't think people who eat

varied diets need to worry about complementing proteins..

Renee

 

Shanthi <shanthiholland wrote: Hello, Tehrifah!! Welcome

to our group!

 

You must be very proud to have such a wise and contientious son!!

Wow!! He is also very lucky to have such a supportive and

understanding mother.

 

People will always have their two cents to add to how you are

raising your kids in all areas or parenting, whether you are too

strict, too permissive, you give him too much junk food, you are not

giving him enough sweets, etc. People will always have something to

say. The best you can do is do your research and know in your heart

that you are doing the right thing.

 

Many of us are at different levels of vegetarianism in this site.

Some eat eggs and dairy, others are strict vegan, and yet others

only eat raw vegan foods. For those of us who do not consume any

animal products whatsoever, we have to keep an eye on our amino

acids, or proteins, because whereas proteins derived from animals

are complete vegetable proteins are not. You can still get all your

complete protein through vegetable sources, but you have to eat the

right variety and combination of foods to do so. In addition, we

also have to supplement our vitamin B complex intake, especially B-

12. I have also found that I have to take other suplements for our

joints, such as glucosamine. Unless you eat vegan, you really have

nothing to worry about.

 

Regarding your son's stomach pains, during what part of the day does

it happen? I often find that my daughters' stomachs hurt when they

are either nervous or stress, but more often than ever is when they

have to go to the bathroom. Even when they don't feel like pooping,

when they complain of stomach pain I send them to sit on the toilet

for a few minutes and believe it or not they always had to go. Also,

during our first two weeks of eating vegan foods, we went through a

sort of natural cleansing process and were eliminating several times

per day.

 

Make sure your son gets enough fiber. Other than that you can check

with your regular pediatrician if symptoms persist. Remember that

symptoms can also be of emotional nature.

 

Hope that helps. Once again, welcome to our group and we look

forward to having you join us in our discussions!!

 

Best regards,

 

Shanthi

 

, tehrifah BROWN

<msgarfield30> wrote:

>

> hello i am new to this group. i was trying to find out things my

son could eat that maybe i hadnt heard of. many people are telling

me to give him different vitamins and other suppliments since he's

become a veg. he still eats fish, eggs and cheese the main thing he

cut out all meat. he was never a big meat eater,but he doesnt eat

any type of meat at all. he is starting to have stomach aches and

some people are saying it may be to his diet and his body is

shocked. he's been doing this since august. i myself am not on

this diet, but trying to help him through this process. this has

been his own decision to do this. he is 10years old. do you think

i should see a nutritionist who specializes in vegetarian diets? or

what other suppliments do he need instead of multivitamins. what is

he really losing by not eating meat? protein? i heard there is plent

in fish?? is this true?? can you give me some insite.

> thank you

>

>

>

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thank you all so much for all your help and suggestions.......you all are

great!!!!!!!!

 

Shanthi <shanthiholland wrote: Hello, Tehrifah!! Welcome to our

group!

 

You must be very proud to have such a wise and contientious son!!

Wow!! He is also very lucky to have such a supportive and

understanding mother.

 

People will always have their two cents to add to how you are

raising your kids in all areas or parenting, whether you are too

strict, too permissive, you give him too much junk food, you are not

giving him enough sweets, etc. People will always have something to

say. The best you can do is do your research and know in your heart

that you are doing the right thing.

 

Many of us are at different levels of vegetarianism in this site.

Some eat eggs and dairy, others are strict vegan, and yet others

only eat raw vegan foods. For those of us who do not consume any

animal products whatsoever, we have to keep an eye on our amino

acids, or proteins, because whereas proteins derived from animals

are complete vegetable proteins are not. You can still get all your

complete protein through vegetable sources, but you have to eat the

right variety and combination of foods to do so. In addition, we

also have to supplement our vitamin B complex intake, especially B-

12. I have also found that I have to take other suplements for our

joints, such as glucosamine. Unless you eat vegan, you really have

nothing to worry about.

 

Regarding your son's stomach pains, during what part of the day does

it happen? I often find that my daughters' stomachs hurt when they

are either nervous or stress, but more often than ever is when they

have to go to the bathroom. Even when they don't feel like pooping,

when they complain of stomach pain I send them to sit on the toilet

for a few minutes and believe it or not they always had to go. Also,

during our first two weeks of eating vegan foods, we went through a

sort of natural cleansing process and were eliminating several times

per day.

 

Make sure your son gets enough fiber. Other than that you can check

with your regular pediatrician if symptoms persist. Remember that

symptoms can also be of emotional nature.

 

Hope that helps. Once again, welcome to our group and we look

forward to having you join us in our discussions!!

 

Best regards,

 

Shanthi

 

, tehrifah BROWN

<msgarfield30> wrote:

>

> hello i am new to this group. i was trying to find out things my

son could eat that maybe i hadnt heard of. many people are telling

me to give him different vitamins and other suppliments since he's

become a veg. he still eats fish, eggs and cheese the main thing he

cut out all meat. he was never a big meat eater,but he doesnt eat

any type of meat at all. he is starting to have stomach aches and

some people are saying it may be to his diet and his body is

shocked. he's been doing this since august. i myself am not on

this diet, but trying to help him through this process. this has

been his own decision to do this. he is 10years old. do you think

i should see a nutritionist who specializes in vegetarian diets? or

what other suppliments do he need instead of multivitamins. what is

he really losing by not eating meat? protein? i heard there is plent

in fish?? is this true?? can you give me some insite.

> thank you

>

>

>

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Hi Tehrifah,

 

Welcome to the group, and I second the congratulations for having

such a compassionate child. I also commend you for wanting to

educate yourself on his behalf. I think that through a little

research (books are an ideal source) you will find that it is

unnecessary for your son to continue to eat fish. In these early

stages of your son's journey, I wouldn't worry too much about

labels. If he eats fish and calls himself a vegetarian, so be it.

Labels can identify us as unique, but they can also alienate us and

set us up for failure. I call myself vegan, but I don't fall apart

if my bread contains honey. Does that make me a hypocrite? Some may

say so, but I know in my heart I am a compassionate and good person,

and I'll be damned if I let someone chastise me for not fitting their

perfect idea of veganism. I encourage you to check out plenty of

vegetarian/vegan/animal liberation sources to better understand your

son's feelings and plight. Maybe you will even choose to join him,

as some other parents within this group have done. These are the

nutritional staples in this vegetarian household (the ones with **

are included with each meal:

**a variety of whole (not instant) grains: (millet, quinoa, steel cut

oats, long grain brown rice, kamut, bulgar wheat, etc.

*whole grain pastas

*whole grain breads and crackers and chips

*tofu

**a variety of legumes/beans

**flax seeds (to be used ground) ^and, or^

**flax seed oil

**wheat germ

**wheat germ oil (vitamin E; most people are deficient)

*nuts

*nut butters

*seeds

*tahini

*soy milk

*soy yogurt

**nutritional yeast

**fruits

**vegetables

 

My son also takes a multi-vitamin, but that is regardless of his

being vegetarian.

 

If your son does not wish to yet become vegan, and you don't chose to

lead him in that direction, dairy protein consumed in the same meal

as whole grains will give him complete protein.

 

If you are not really knowledgeable about nutritional in general, or

if you really do feel uninformed about a vegetarian diet, I would say

consulting a nutritionist is a great idea.

 

Best wishes to you, and I hope you find this group helpful.

Nikki

 

 

, Renee Carroll <renecarol25>

wrote:

>

> Soy and Hemp are both complete sources of protein. I believe

there are other plant based sources of complete proteins as well. I

don't think people who eat varied diets need to worry about

complementing proteins..

> Renee

>

> Shanthi <shanthiholland@h...> wrote: Hello, Tehrifah!!

Welcome to our group!

>

> You must be very proud to have such a wise and contientious son!!

> Wow!! He is also very lucky to have such a supportive and

> understanding mother.

>

> People will always have their two cents to add to how you are

> raising your kids in all areas or parenting, whether you are too

> strict, too permissive, you give him too much junk food, you are

not

> giving him enough sweets, etc. People will always have something

to

> say. The best you can do is do your research and know in your

heart

> that you are doing the right thing.

>

> Many of us are at different levels of vegetarianism in this site.

> Some eat eggs and dairy, others are strict vegan, and yet others

> only eat raw vegan foods. For those of us who do not consume any

> animal products whatsoever, we have to keep an eye on our amino

> acids, or proteins, because whereas proteins derived from animals

> are complete vegetable proteins are not. You can still get all

your

> complete protein through vegetable sources, but you have to eat

the

> right variety and combination of foods to do so. In addition, we

> also have to supplement our vitamin B complex intake, especially

B-

> 12. I have also found that I have to take other suplements for

our

> joints, such as glucosamine. Unless you eat vegan, you really

have

> nothing to worry about.

>

> Regarding your son's stomach pains, during what part of the day

does

> it happen? I often find that my daughters' stomachs hurt when

they

> are either nervous or stress, but more often than ever is when

they

> have to go to the bathroom. Even when they don't feel like

pooping,

> when they complain of stomach pain I send them to sit on the

toilet

> for a few minutes and believe it or not they always had to go.

Also,

> during our first two weeks of eating vegan foods, we went through

a

> sort of natural cleansing process and were eliminating several

times

> per day.

>

> Make sure your son gets enough fiber. Other than that you can

check

> with your regular pediatrician if symptoms persist. Remember that

> symptoms can also be of emotional nature.

>

> Hope that helps. Once again, welcome to our group and we look

> forward to having you join us in our discussions!!

>

> Best regards,

>

> Shanthi

>

> , tehrifah BROWN

> <msgarfield30> wrote:

> >

> > hello i am new to this group. i was trying to find out things

my

> son could eat that maybe i hadnt heard of. many people are

telling

> me to give him different vitamins and other suppliments since

he's

> become a veg. he still eats fish, eggs and cheese the main thing

he

> cut out all meat. he was never a big meat eater,but he doesnt

eat

> any type of meat at all. he is starting to have stomach aches

and

> some people are saying it may be to his diet and his body is

> shocked. he's been doing this since august. i myself am not on

> this diet, but trying to help him through this process. this has

> been his own decision to do this. he is 10years old. do you

think

> i should see a nutritionist who specializes in vegetarian diets?

or

> what other suppliments do he need instead of multivitamins. what

is

> he really losing by not eating meat? protein? i heard there is

plent

> in fish?? is this true?? can you give me some insite.

> > thank you

> >

> >

> >

> > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> >

> >

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