Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 I was hoping that one of you other animal loving parents might have some suggestions for my daughter. She was making up a poster to show her friends talking about how Iams hurts animals and to go to www.petakids.org. I think that peta is a good resource, but it is rather intense, and not the most ideal website to be suggesting to children. Is anyone aware of other, more humane, lower key websites that she can visit? Sometimes she is too intense in the way she speaks about her veganism to others. I want to help her to learn how to show others with love and maybe even a little humor, she is only 9. Thanks, Shelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 I was on the petakids website with my 10 year old son last night. I didn't find it too bad but there are probably other less " intense " sites that I would like him to visit as well. He has just made the transition to being vegetarian and I'm really proud of him. He is actually going to the school today to ask them to have more vegetarian options in the cafeteria. He normally takes his lunch but he is allowed to buy it one day a week and would like to have something to choose! We had a great mother/son time last night talking about being vegetarian and what happens to animals on farms. Jacqueline C. On Behalf Of Shelly November 15, 2005 12:17 AM animal rights for kids? I was hoping that one of you other animal loving parents might have some suggestions for my daughter. She was making up a poster to show her friends talking about how Iams hurts animals and to go to www.petakids.org. I think that peta is a good resource, but it is rather intense, and not the most ideal website to be suggesting to children. Is anyone aware of other, more humane, lower key websites that she can visit? Sometimes she is too intense in the way she speaks about her veganism to others. I want to help her to learn how to show others with love and maybe even a little humor, she is only 9. Thanks, Shelly For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Congratulations Jacqueline, I know I am so proud of my kids as well. I told my oldest (12) daughter's teacher this morning that I was going to be sending her in some silk milk because she no longer consumes any animal products, and she seemed shocked on the phone. Her class has its own kitchen because they are taking part in life skills lessons and learning to cook. She is in a special education class. I got the same responce at my youngest ( 2 1/2)daughter's daycare when i let them know that she is not having anymore dairy or eggs. They were doing well with the vegetarian menu, accomidating her. I think they think I am a freak and subjecting my kids to a limiting and abusive existence, they just have not said it to me directly yet, but they sure give me the " look. " We will see how this all pans out. My middle daughter (9) wants to talk to friends about animal rights, but she comes across too intense and a bit self righteous. I hope that if I find a more gentle animal rights website for her it will help tone her down a bit. I know when i am asked about why I am a vegan i simply answer (in most cases) " Well, I get to have delicious food, be healthier and my animal friends get to live. " Most often I get a smile from others instead of a debate. I think it is more effective to teach by example, be gentle and kind and to add a little humor whenever possible. ~Shelly Jacq <jacqcote wrote:I was on the petakids website with my 10 year old son last night. I didn't find it too bad but there are probably other less " intense " sites that I would like him to visit as well. He has just made the transition to being vegetarian and I'm really proud of him. He is actually going to the school today to ask them to have more vegetarian options in the cafeteria. He normally takes his lunch but he is allowed to buy it one day a week and would like to have something to choose! We had a great mother/son time last night talking about being vegetarian and what happens to animals on farms. Jacqueline C. On Behalf Of Shelly November 15, 2005 12:17 AM animal rights for kids? I was hoping that one of you other animal loving parents might have some suggestions for my daughter. She was making up a poster to show her friends talking about how Iams hurts animals and to go to www.petakids.org. I think that peta is a good resource, but it is rather intense, and not the most ideal website to be suggesting to children. Is anyone aware of other, more humane, lower key websites that she can visit? Sometimes she is too intense in the way she speaks about her veganism to others. I want to help her to learn how to show others with love and maybe even a little humor, she is only 9. Thanks, Shelly For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 That's awesome news Shelly!!!! I don't have any advice about websites really.. farmsanctuary.com has some kid stuff about farm animals (under education) though not to the extent that peta does. vegsource.com has some stuff. So does www.vegetarianbaby.com and www.vegetarianteen.com - though they don't seem to be updated to the extent that they used to be a couple of years ago. And there is www.vegfamily.com but it is more geared toward parents. That must be really great having a kitchen in your daughter's classroom. I feel so bad sending my daughter to school to eat her lunch in a cafeteria packed with stinking meat. I offered to send some little silk boxes to school with her so that she could eat breakfast (cereal) with her friends. But she said she would eat it dry - she had always ate cereal dry and just recently started adding some soymilk. Renee shelly <joychild72 wrote: Congratulations Jacqueline, I know I am so proud of my kids as well. I told my oldest (12) daughter's teacher this morning that I was going to be sending her in some silk milk because she no longer consumes any animal products, and she seemed shocked on the phone. Her class has its own kitchen because they are taking part in life skills lessons and learning to cook. She is in a special education class. I got the same responce at my youngest ( 2 1/2)daughter's daycare when i let them know that she is not having anymore dairy or eggs. They were doing well with the vegetarian menu, accomidating her. I think they think I am a freak and subjecting my kids to a limiting and abusive existence, they just have not said it to me directly yet, but they sure give me the " look. " We will see how this all pans out. My middle daughter (9) wants to talk to friends about animal rights, but she comes across too intense and a bit self righteous. I hope that if I find a more gentle animal rights website for her it will help tone her down a bit. I know when i am asked about why I am a vegan i simply answer (in most cases) " Well, I get to have delicious food, be healthier and my animal friends get to live. " Most often I get a smile from others instead of a debate. I think it is more effective to teach by example, be gentle and kind and to add a little humor whenever possible. ~Shelly Jacq <jacqcote wrote:I was on the petakids website with my 10 year old son last night. I didn't find it too bad but there are probably other less " intense " sites that I would like him to visit as well. He has just made the transition to being vegetarian and I'm really proud of him. He is actually going to the school today to ask them to have more vegetarian options in the cafeteria. He normally takes his lunch but he is allowed to buy it one day a week and would like to have something to choose! We had a great mother/son time last night talking about being vegetarian and what happens to animals on farms. Jacqueline C. On Behalf Of Shelly November 15, 2005 12:17 AM animal rights for kids? I was hoping that one of you other animal loving parents might have some suggestions for my daughter. She was making up a poster to show her friends talking about how Iams hurts animals and to go to www.petakids.org. I think that peta is a good resource, but it is rather intense, and not the most ideal website to be suggesting to children. Is anyone aware of other, more humane, lower key websites that she can visit? Sometimes she is too intense in the way she speaks about her veganism to others. I want to help her to learn how to show others with love and maybe even a little humor, she is only 9. Thanks, Shelly For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Shelly and Jacqueline - when my two daughters were in daycare, the director required a doctor's note before she would agree to a vegetarian diet for them. She said that DHS requires any child on a different diet to have a medical reason. I don't know if I believe that or not; it's a private school and I think the " requirement " has more to do with her getting state funding for lunches. Once we got that out of the way, the cook was great about using the stuff I brought in (meat alternatives and organic milk). My oldest daughter's teacher totally didn't get it though. One day she made " octopus " out of wieners for snack. Not only did she " forget " and give my daughter a meat wiener, but she didn't understand why my daughter was confused about the idea of eating an octopus. Duh! Thankfully, they are no longer enrolled there. Chessie On Behalf Of shelly Tuesday, November 15, 2005 8:23 AM RE: animal rights for kids? Congratulations Jacqueline, I know I am so proud of my kids as well. I told my oldest (12) daughter's teacher this morning that I was going to be sending her in some silk milk because she no longer consumes any animal products, and she seemed shocked on the phone. Her class has its own kitchen because they are taking part in life skills lessons and learning to cook. She is in a special education class. I got the same responce at my youngest ( 2 1/2)daughter's daycare when i let them know that she is not having anymore dairy or eggs. They were doing well with the vegetarian menu, accomidating her. I think they think I am a freak and subjecting my kids to a limiting and abusive existence, they just have not said it to me directly yet, but they sure give me the " look. " We will see how this all pans out. My middle daughter (9) wants to talk to friends about animal rights, but she comes across too intense and a bit self righteous. I hope that if I find a more gentle animal rights website for her it will help tone her down a bit. I know when i am asked about why I am a vegan i simply answer (in most cases) " Well, I get to have delicious food, be healthier and my animal friends get to live. " Most often I get a smile from others instead of a debate. I think it is more effective to teach by example, be gentle and kind and to add a little humor whenever possible. ~Shelly Jacq <jacqcote wrote:I was on the petakids website with my 10 year old son last night. I didn't find it too bad but there are probably other less " intense " sites that I would like him to visit as well. He has just made the transition to being vegetarian and I'm really proud of him. He is actually going to the school today to ask them to have more vegetarian options in the cafeteria. He normally takes his lunch but he is allowed to buy it one day a week and would like to have something to choose! We had a great mother/son time last night talking about being vegetarian and what happens to animals on farms. Jacqueline C. On Behalf Of Shelly November 15, 2005 12:17 AM animal rights for kids? I was hoping that one of you other animal loving parents might have some suggestions for my daughter. She was making up a poster to show her friends talking about how Iams hurts animals and to go to www.petakids.org. I think that peta is a good resource, but it is rather intense, and not the most ideal website to be suggesting to children. Is anyone aware of other, more humane, lower key websites that she can visit? Sometimes she is too intense in the way she speaks about her veganism to others. I want to help her to learn how to show others with love and maybe even a little humor, she is only 9. Thanks, Shelly For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Hi Chessie, Thankfully we have had great experiences with the daycare that my youngest son used to attend and with the Montessori school he is attending now. At his daycare he was not only the only child with life threatening allergies but he was also the only child that didn't eat meat. They were great though and I just provided anything that he couldn't eat from home. They were good about finding snacks that were ok for him and the other kids to eat so I was really pleased. At his new school they have a lunch program that you have to pay for and I just opted out of it. They don't really encourage it anyway and prefer the kids to bring their own lunch. This school is the only one that I could say has a multicultural group of children in the area so various food restrictions are not uncommon there. The school is all about peace so they aren't likely to give us a hard time about living more peacefully than others. As an aside - At the public schools here not only are the children almost all caucasian but the majority are Scottish so it is a rather homogenous group. It took me a long time to get used to blue eyes being the most common eye colour and MacDonald being the most common name rather than Smith, when I moved here. Jacqueline On Behalf Of Chessie November 15, 2005 12:32 PM RE: animal rights for kids? Shelly and Jacqueline - when my two daughters were in daycare, the director required a doctor's note before she would agree to a vegetarian diet for them. She said that DHS requires any child on a different diet to have a medical reason. I don't know if I believe that or not; it's a private school and I think the " requirement " has more to do with her getting state funding for lunches. Once we got that out of the way, the cook was great about using the stuff I brought in (meat alternatives and organic milk). My oldest daughter's teacher totally didn't get it though. One day she made " octopus " out of wieners for snack. Not only did she " forget " and give my daughter a meat wiener, but she didn't understand why my daughter was confused about the idea of eating an octopus. Duh! Thankfully, they are no longer enrolled there. Chessie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Jacqueline - I am so hoping that we move to a place with a Montessori school! I'm not sure there is one in the entire state of Oklahoma. Speaking of OK and homogeneous populations...I am still trying to get used to the commonality of men who use two names - as in, " Jerry Bob " or " Donnie Joe. " After three and a half years of trying to be positive and looking for the silver lining, I've come to the conclusion that we just live in Hell. ;-) Chessie On Behalf Of Jacq Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:36 AM RE: animal rights for kids? Hi Chessie, Thankfully we have had great experiences with the daycare that my youngest son used to attend and with the Montessori school he is attending now. At his daycare he was not only the only child with life threatening allergies but he was also the only child that didn't eat meat. They were great though and I just provided anything that he couldn't eat from home. They were good about finding snacks that were ok for him and the other kids to eat so I was really pleased. At his new school they have a lunch program that you have to pay for and I just opted out of it. They don't really encourage it anyway and prefer the kids to bring their own lunch. This school is the only one that I could say has a multicultural group of children in the area so various food restrictions are not uncommon there. The school is all about peace so they aren't likely to give us a hard time about living more peacefully than others. As an aside - At the public schools here not only are the children almost all caucasian but the majority are Scottish so it is a rather homogenous group. It took me a long time to get used to blue eyes being the most common eye colour and MacDonald being the most common name rather than Smith, when I moved here. Jacqueline On Behalf Of Chessie November 15, 2005 12:32 PM RE: animal rights for kids? Shelly and Jacqueline - when my two daughters were in daycare, the director required a doctor's note before she would agree to a vegetarian diet for them. She said that DHS requires any child on a different diet to have a medical reason. I don't know if I believe that or not; it's a private school and I think the " requirement " has more to do with her getting state funding for lunches. Once we got that out of the way, the cook was great about using the stuff I brought in (meat alternatives and organic milk). My oldest daughter's teacher totally didn't get it though. One day she made " octopus " out of wieners for snack. Not only did she " forget " and give my daughter a meat wiener, but she didn't understand why my daughter was confused about the idea of eating an octopus. Duh! Thankfully, they are no longer enrolled there. Chessie For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Thanks Renne, perhaps I will show Mckayla those sites tonight. I wish we had silk boxes here, I would so buy them. ~Shelly Renee Carroll <renecarol25 wrote:That's awesome news Shelly!!!! I don't have any advice about websites really.. farmsanctuary.com has some kid stuff about farm animals (under education) though not to the extent that peta does. vegsource.com has some stuff. So does www.vegetarianbaby.com and www.vegetarianteen.com - though they don't seem to be updated to the extent that they used to be a couple of years ago. And there is www.vegfamily.com but it is more geared toward parents. That must be really great having a kitchen in your daughter's classroom. I feel so bad sending my daughter to school to eat her lunch in a cafeteria packed with stinking meat. I offered to send some little silk boxes to school with her so that she could eat breakfast (cereal) with her friends. But she said she would eat it dry - she had always ate cereal dry and just recently started adding some soymilk. Renee shelly <joychild72 wrote: Congratulations Jacqueline, I know I am so proud of my kids as well. I told my oldest (12) daughter's teacher this morning that I was going to be sending her in some silk milk because she no longer consumes any animal products, and she seemed shocked on the phone. Her class has its own kitchen because they are taking part in life skills lessons and learning to cook. She is in a special education class. I got the same responce at my youngest ( 2 1/2)daughter's daycare when i let them know that she is not having anymore dairy or eggs. They were doing well with the vegetarian menu, accomidating her. I think they think I am a freak and subjecting my kids to a limiting and abusive existence, they just have not said it to me directly yet, but they sure give me the " look. " We will see how this all pans out. My middle daughter (9) wants to talk to friends about animal rights, but she comes across too intense and a bit self righteous. I hope that if I find a more gentle animal rights website for her it will help tone her down a bit. I know when i am asked about why I am a vegan i simply answer (in most cases) " Well, I get to have delicious food, be healthier and my animal friends get to live. " Most often I get a smile from others instead of a debate. I think it is more effective to teach by example, be gentle and kind and to add a little humor whenever possible. ~Shelly Jacq <jacqcote wrote:I was on the petakids website with my 10 year old son last night. I didn't find it too bad but there are probably other less " intense " sites that I would like him to visit as well. He has just made the transition to being vegetarian and I'm really proud of him. He is actually going to the school today to ask them to have more vegetarian options in the cafeteria. He normally takes his lunch but he is allowed to buy it one day a week and would like to have something to choose! We had a great mother/son time last night talking about being vegetarian and what happens to animals on farms. Jacqueline C. On Behalf Of Shelly November 15, 2005 12:17 AM animal rights for kids? I was hoping that one of you other animal loving parents might have some suggestions for my daughter. She was making up a poster to show her friends talking about how Iams hurts animals and to go to www.petakids.org. I think that peta is a good resource, but it is rather intense, and not the most ideal website to be suggesting to children. Is anyone aware of other, more humane, lower key websites that she can visit? Sometimes she is too intense in the way she speaks about her veganism to others. I want to help her to learn how to show others with love and maybe even a little humor, she is only 9. Thanks, Shelly For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 So far we love the Montessori school. He has learned more in the past month than he learned in a whole year of preschool at his old daycare (they had a preschool program). He has ADHD and when he got distracted or stubborn they didn't really try to engage him in the activities. Now he is always coming home telling me about some new thing he has learned. The structure also suits his temperament because they do not interrupt children who are concentrating so he isn't constantly dealing with problems transitioning. He chooses when to transition to a new activity. The school itself is very peaceful and I wish that I had been able to attend there myself. I feel sorry that my other two children didn't have the opportunity to attend there although they are doing really well in the public school system. Jacqueline C. On Behalf Of Chessie November 15, 2005 2:31 PM RE: animal rights for kids? Jacqueline - I am so hoping that we move to a place with a Montessori school! I'm not sure there is one in the entire state of Oklahoma. Speaking of OK and homogeneous populations...I am still trying to get used to the commonality of men who use two names - as in, " Jerry Bob " or " Donnie Joe. " After three and a half years of trying to be positive and looking for the silver lining, I've come to the conclusion that we just live in Hell. ;-) Chessie On Behalf Of Jacq Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:36 AM RE: animal rights for kids? Hi Chessie, Thankfully we have had great experiences with the daycare that my youngest son used to attend and with the Montessori school he is attending now. At his daycare he was not only the only child with life threatening allergies but he was also the only child that didn't eat meat. They were great though and I just provided anything that he couldn't eat from home. They were good about finding snacks that were ok for him and the other kids to eat so I was really pleased. At his new school they have a lunch program that you have to pay for and I just opted out of it. They don't really encourage it anyway and prefer the kids to bring their own lunch. This school is the only one that I could say has a multicultural group of children in the area so various food restrictions are not uncommon there. The school is all about peace so they aren't likely to give us a hard time about living more peacefully than others. As an aside - At the public schools here not only are the children almost all caucasian but the majority are Scottish so it is a rather homogenous group. It took me a long time to get used to blue eyes being the most common eye colour and MacDonald being the most common name rather than Smith, when I moved here. Jacqueline On Behalf Of Chessie November 15, 2005 12:32 PM RE: animal rights for kids? Shelly and Jacqueline - when my two daughters were in daycare, the director required a doctor's note before she would agree to a vegetarian diet for them. She said that DHS requires any child on a different diet to have a medical reason. I don't know if I believe that or not; it's a private school and I think the " requirement " has more to do with her getting state funding for lunches. Once we got that out of the way, the cook was great about using the stuff I brought in (meat alternatives and organic milk). My oldest daughter's teacher totally didn't get it though. One day she made " octopus " out of wieners for snack. Not only did she " forget " and give my daughter a meat wiener, but she didn't understand why my daughter was confused about the idea of eating an octopus. Duh! Thankfully, they are no longer enrolled there. Chessie For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 I applied last year at a Montessori school for my daughter. They were very impressive. They had (I don't know if it it is typical of all montessori schools or not) classrooms that combined 1st-3rd grades, 4th-6th grades, and 7th-8th grades together into classrooms based on skill rather than age. They had the kids divided into multi-age groups that progressed thru the centers at different parts of the day. I think that she didn't get in because I asked so many questions about food/snacks that I believed they tagged her record not to let her in. I can't prove that.. I don't know if I'll bother reapplying this year as it will be a lot harder to get in not at the beginning. Renee Jacq <jacqcote wrote: So far we love the Montessori school. He has learned more in the past month than he learned in a whole year of preschool at his old daycare (they had a preschool program). He has ADHD and when he got distracted or stubborn they didn't really try to engage him in the activities. Now he is always coming home telling me about some new thing he has learned. The structure also suits his temperament because they do not interrupt children who are concentrating so he isn't constantly dealing with problems transitioning. He chooses when to transition to a new activity. The school itself is very peaceful and I wish that I had been able to attend there myself. I feel sorry that my other two children didn't have the opportunity to attend there although they are doing really well in the public school system. Jacqueline C. On Behalf Of Chessie November 15, 2005 2:31 PM RE: animal rights for kids? Jacqueline - I am so hoping that we move to a place with a Montessori school! I'm not sure there is one in the entire state of Oklahoma. Speaking of OK and homogeneous populations...I am still trying to get used to the commonality of men who use two names - as in, " Jerry Bob " or " Donnie Joe. " After three and a half years of trying to be positive and looking for the silver lining, I've come to the conclusion that we just live in Hell. ;-) Chessie On Behalf Of Jacq Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:36 AM RE: animal rights for kids? Hi Chessie, Thankfully we have had great experiences with the daycare that my youngest son used to attend and with the Montessori school he is attending now. At his daycare he was not only the only child with life threatening allergies but he was also the only child that didn't eat meat. They were great though and I just provided anything that he couldn't eat from home. They were good about finding snacks that were ok for him and the other kids to eat so I was really pleased. At his new school they have a lunch program that you have to pay for and I just opted out of it. They don't really encourage it anyway and prefer the kids to bring their own lunch. This school is the only one that I could say has a multicultural group of children in the area so various food restrictions are not uncommon there. The school is all about peace so they aren't likely to give us a hard time about living more peacefully than others. As an aside - At the public schools here not only are the children almost all caucasian but the majority are Scottish so it is a rather homogenous group. It took me a long time to get used to blue eyes being the most common eye colour and MacDonald being the most common name rather than Smith, when I moved here. Jacqueline On Behalf Of Chessie November 15, 2005 12:32 PM RE: animal rights for kids? Shelly and Jacqueline - when my two daughters were in daycare, the director required a doctor's note before she would agree to a vegetarian diet for them. She said that DHS requires any child on a different diet to have a medical reason. I don't know if I believe that or not; it's a private school and I think the " requirement " has more to do with her getting state funding for lunches. Once we got that out of the way, the cook was great about using the stuff I brought in (meat alternatives and organic milk). My oldest daughter's teacher totally didn't get it though. One day she made " octopus " out of wieners for snack. Not only did she " forget " and give my daughter a meat wiener, but she didn't understand why my daughter was confused about the idea of eating an octopus. Duh! Thankfully, they are no longer enrolled there. Chessie For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 That's too bad Renee. If they were that concerned about the food issues then it wasn't the right place for her. With Jacob I worried about that a bit because he still was down as having anaphalaxis to milk and eggs and he has adhd. The school where we have him was fine with all that. The kids there are just so nice. I'm really pleased with things. At his previous preschool he was getting a reputation as a bad kid. Now he is doing well and getting along with the other kids just fine. He does much better in a multi age environment. His class is 3,4 and 5 year olds. He is 4 yrs old. Jacqueline http://adhdnme.blogspot.com On Behalf Of Renee Carroll November 15, 2005 4:36 PM RE: animal rights for kids? I applied last year at a Montessori school for my daughter. They were very impressive. They had (I don't know if it it is typical of all montessori schools or not) classrooms that combined 1st-3rd grades, 4th-6th grades, and 7th-8th grades together into classrooms based on skill rather than age. They had the kids divided into multi-age groups that progressed thru the centers at different parts of the day. I think that she didn't get in because I asked so many questions about food/snacks that I believed they tagged her record not to let her in. I can't prove that.. I don't know if I'll bother reapplying this year as it will be a lot harder to get in not at the beginning. Renee Jacq <jacqcote wrote: So far we love the Montessori school. He has learned more in the past month than he learned in a whole year of preschool at his old daycare (they had a preschool program). He has ADHD and when he got distracted or stubborn they didn't really try to engage him in the activities. Now he is always coming home telling me about some new thing he has learned. The structure also suits his temperament because they do not interrupt children who are concentrating so he isn't constantly dealing with problems transitioning. He chooses when to transition to a new activity. The school itself is very peaceful and I wish that I had been able to attend there myself. I feel sorry that my other two children didn't have the opportunity to attend there although they are doing really well in the public school system. Jacqueline C. On Behalf Of Chessie November 15, 2005 2:31 PM RE: animal rights for kids? Jacqueline - I am so hoping that we move to a place with a Montessori school! I'm not sure there is one in the entire state of Oklahoma. Speaking of OK and homogeneous populations...I am still trying to get used to the commonality of men who use two names - as in, " Jerry Bob " or " Donnie Joe. " After three and a half years of trying to be positive and looking for the silver lining, I've come to the conclusion that we just live in Hell. ;-) Chessie On Behalf Of Jacq Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:36 AM RE: animal rights for kids? Hi Chessie, Thankfully we have had great experiences with the daycare that my youngest son used to attend and with the Montessori school he is attending now. At his daycare he was not only the only child with life threatening allergies but he was also the only child that didn't eat meat. They were great though and I just provided anything that he couldn't eat from home. They were good about finding snacks that were ok for him and the other kids to eat so I was really pleased. At his new school they have a lunch program that you have to pay for and I just opted out of it. They don't really encourage it anyway and prefer the kids to bring their own lunch. This school is the only one that I could say has a multicultural group of children in the area so various food restrictions are not uncommon there. The school is all about peace so they aren't likely to give us a hard time about living more peacefully than others. As an aside - At the public schools here not only are the children almost all caucasian but the majority are Scottish so it is a rather homogenous group. It took me a long time to get used to blue eyes being the most common eye colour and MacDonald being the most common name rather than Smith, when I moved here. Jacqueline On Behalf Of Chessie November 15, 2005 12:32 PM RE: animal rights for kids? Shelly and Jacqueline - when my two daughters were in daycare, the director required a doctor's note before she would agree to a vegetarian diet for them. She said that DHS requires any child on a different diet to have a medical reason. I don't know if I believe that or not; it's a private school and I think the " requirement " has more to do with her getting state funding for lunches. Once we got that out of the way, the cook was great about using the stuff I brought in (meat alternatives and organic milk). My oldest daughter's teacher totally didn't get it though. One day she made " octopus " out of wieners for snack. Not only did she " forget " and give my daughter a meat wiener, but she didn't understand why my daughter was confused about the idea of eating an octopus. Duh! Thankfully, they are no longer enrolled there. Chessie For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. 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Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 That's what I like most about the Montessori method, is the combined ages and the at-your-own-pace method. My girls are 53 weeks apart and they are inseparable. I absolutely refuse to put them in a situation where they will be split up. Sorry to hear about your experience though. IMO, I have the right to dictate my child's diet in ny setting! Chessie - " Renee Carroll " <renecarol25 Tuesday, November 15, 2005 2:36 PM RE: animal rights for kids? > I applied last year at a Montessori school for my daughter. They were very impressive. They had (I don't know if it it is typical of all montessori schools or not) classrooms that combined 1st-3rd grades, 4th-6th grades, and 7th-8th grades together into classrooms based on skill rather than age. They had the kids divided into multi-age groups that progressed thru the centers at different parts of the day. I think that she didn't get in because I asked so many questions about food/snacks that I believed they tagged her record not to let her in. I can't prove that.. I don't know if I'll bother reapplying this year as it will be a lot harder to get in not at the beginning. > Renee > > Jacq <jacqcote wrote: > So far we love the Montessori school. He has learned more in the past month > than he learned in a whole year of preschool at his old daycare (they had a > preschool program). He has ADHD and when he got distracted or stubborn they > didn't really try to engage him in the activities. Now he is always coming > home telling me about some new thing he has learned. The structure also > suits his temperament because they do not interrupt children who are > concentrating so he isn't constantly dealing with problems transitioning. > He chooses when to transition to a new activity. The school itself is very > peaceful and I wish that I had been able to attend there myself. I feel > sorry that my other two children didn't have the opportunity to attend there > although they are doing really well in the public school system. > > Jacqueline C. > > > On > Behalf Of Chessie > November 15, 2005 2:31 PM > > RE: animal rights for kids? > > Jacqueline - > > I am so hoping that we move to a place with a Montessori school! I'm not > sure there is one in the entire state of Oklahoma. Speaking of OK and > homogeneous populations...I am still trying to get used to the commonality > of men who use two names - as in, " Jerry Bob " or " Donnie Joe. " After three > and a half years of trying to be positive and looking for the silver lining, > I've come to the conclusion that we just live in Hell. ;-) > > Chessie > > > On > Behalf Of Jacq > Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:36 AM > > RE: animal rights for kids? > > Hi Chessie, > > Thankfully we have had great experiences with the daycare that my youngest > son used to attend and with the Montessori school he is attending now. At > his daycare he was not only the only child with life threatening allergies > but he was also the only child that didn't eat meat. They were great though > and I just provided anything that he couldn't eat from home. They were good > about finding snacks that were ok for him and the other kids to eat so I was > really pleased. > > At his new school they have a lunch program that you have to pay for and I > just opted out of it. They don't really encourage it anyway and prefer the > kids to bring their own lunch. This school is the only one that I could say > has a multicultural group of children in the area so various food > restrictions are not uncommon there. The school is all about peace so they > aren't likely to give us a hard time about living more peacefully than > others. > > As an aside - At the public schools here not only are the children almost > all caucasian but the majority are Scottish so it is a rather homogenous > group. It took me a long time to get used to blue eyes being the most > common eye colour and MacDonald being the most common name rather than > Smith, when I moved here. > > Jacqueline > > > > On > Behalf Of Chessie > November 15, 2005 12:32 PM > > RE: animal rights for kids? > > Shelly and Jacqueline - when my two daughters were in daycare, the director > required a doctor's note before she would agree to a vegetarian diet for > them. She said that DHS requires any child on a different diet to have a > medical reason. I don't know if I believe that or not; it's a private > school and I think the " requirement " has more to do with her getting state > funding for lunches. Once we got that out of the way, the cook was great > about using the stuff I brought in (meat alternatives and organic milk). My > oldest daughter's teacher totally didn't get it though. One day she made > " octopus " out of wieners for snack. Not only did she " forget " and give my > daughter a meat wiener, but she didn't understand why my daughter was > confused about the idea of eating an octopus. Duh! Thankfully, they are no > longer enrolled there. > > Chessie > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at > http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a > qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health > professional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 I'm sure you have read Dumbing Us Down, but if not, I highly recommend it. There is just no way I am putting my kids in public school, or in any " traditional learning " environment. One of my daughters is shy and introverted, and is very painstaking in her approach, and the other is off the wall high energy...neither of them would adapt well to the regimented environment of that method. How old is your son? Chessie - " Jacq " <jacqcote Tuesday, November 15, 2005 2:00 PM RE: animal rights for kids? > So far we love the Montessori school. He has learned more in the past month > than he learned in a whole year of preschool at his old daycare (they had a > preschool program). He has ADHD and when he got distracted or stubborn they > didn't really try to engage him in the activities. Now he is always coming > home telling me about some new thing he has learned. The structure also > suits his temperament because they do not interrupt children who are > concentrating so he isn't constantly dealing with problems transitioning. > He chooses when to transition to a new activity. The school itself is very > peaceful and I wish that I had been able to attend there myself. I feel > sorry that my other two children didn't have the opportunity to attend there > although they are doing really well in the public school system. > > Jacqueline C. > > > On > Behalf Of Chessie > November 15, 2005 2:31 PM > > RE: animal rights for kids? > > Jacqueline - > > I am so hoping that we move to a place with a Montessori school! I'm not > sure there is one in the entire state of Oklahoma. Speaking of OK and > homogeneous populations...I am still trying to get used to the commonality > of men who use two names - as in, " Jerry Bob " or " Donnie Joe. " After three > and a half years of trying to be positive and looking for the silver lining, > I've come to the conclusion that we just live in Hell. ;-) > > Chessie > > > On > Behalf Of Jacq > Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:36 AM > > RE: animal rights for kids? > > Hi Chessie, > > Thankfully we have had great experiences with the daycare that my youngest > son used to attend and with the Montessori school he is attending now. At > his daycare he was not only the only child with life threatening allergies > but he was also the only child that didn't eat meat. They were great though > and I just provided anything that he couldn't eat from home. They were good > about finding snacks that were ok for him and the other kids to eat so I was > really pleased. > > At his new school they have a lunch program that you have to pay for and I > just opted out of it. They don't really encourage it anyway and prefer the > kids to bring their own lunch. This school is the only one that I could say > has a multicultural group of children in the area so various food > restrictions are not uncommon there. The school is all about peace so they > aren't likely to give us a hard time about living more peacefully than > others. > > As an aside - At the public schools here not only are the children almost > all caucasian but the majority are Scottish so it is a rather homogenous > group. It took me a long time to get used to blue eyes being the most > common eye colour and MacDonald being the most common name rather than > Smith, when I moved here. > > Jacqueline > > > > On > Behalf Of Chessie > November 15, 2005 12:32 PM > > RE: animal rights for kids? > > Shelly and Jacqueline - when my two daughters were in daycare, the director > required a doctor's note before she would agree to a vegetarian diet for > them. She said that DHS requires any child on a different diet to have a > medical reason. I don't know if I believe that or not; it's a private > school and I think the " requirement " has more to do with her getting state > funding for lunches. Once we got that out of the way, the cook was great > about using the stuff I brought in (meat alternatives and organic milk). My > oldest daughter's teacher totally didn't get it though. One day she made > " octopus " out of wieners for snack. Not only did she " forget " and give my > daughter a meat wiener, but she didn't understand why my daughter was > confused about the idea of eating an octopus. Duh! Thankfully, they are no > longer enrolled there. > > Chessie > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at > http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a > qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health > professional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 Try www.bestfriends.org. >I was hoping that one of you other animal loving parents might have > some suggestions for my daughter. She was making up a poster to show > her friends talking about how Iams hurts animals and to go to > www.petakids.org. I think that peta is a good resource, but it is > rather intense, and not the most ideal website to be suggesting to > children. Is anyone aware of other, more humane, lower key websites > that she can visit? Sometimes she is too intense in the way she speaks > about her veganism to others. I want to help her to learn how to show > others with love and maybe even a little humor, she is only 9. Thanks, > Shelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 Shelley, I'm not sure if you've checked petakids out yet, but you can order free stickers/comic/books for your daughter as well as Grr Magazine. These are very tame compared to peta for grownups. There are also pamphlets you can get in quantity so she could pass them and the stickers out to her friends if she wanted to share this info with her friends. Kids think the magazines and comics are very cool, and my son gets lots of attention from the other kids when he wears the stickers. I'm a homeschooler, so I also sign up for free teaching materials from teachkind.org (linked from petakids) that has free curriculum that you can download online or have mailed to you. There are activity sheets and things for kids of all ages. It's geared towards parents, of course, but it's full of tools we can use to teach our children, empowering them with knowledge and compassion. I love this website! Lastly, I also got a great teaching packet from Farm Sanctuary. It came with a great video geared towards kids(narrated by Casey Affleck), along with stories and activities to go with it. I signed up as a homeschooler, but I imagine that anyone who wanted to teach their children could obtain the materials from them. Hope this helps, Shayla , " Shelly " <joychild72> wrote: > > I was hoping that one of you other animal loving parents might have > some suggestions for my daughter. She was making up a poster to show > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 My son is 4. He is very high energy himself as he is hyperactive. The calm atmosphere there keeps him from getting overly revved up and the learn at your own pace style keeps him engaged and interested. He can learn up to any level, there are no limits. That is one of the great things about Montessori. There is no sticking to a grade whatever curriculum. They make sure that all of the kids are up to at least the grade level dictated by the gov't but most of the children are well above that because they are allowed to work at their own pace rather than being slowed down by having to stay at the class level. Jacqueline http://adhdnme.blogspot.com On Behalf Of Chessie & Tracy November 15, 2005 7:33 PM Re: animal rights for kids? I'm sure you have read Dumbing Us Down, but if not, I highly recommend it. There is just no way I am putting my kids in public school, or in any " traditional learning " environment. One of my daughters is shy and introverted, and is very painstaking in her approach, and the other is off the wall high energy...neither of them would adapt well to the regimented environment of that method. How old is your son? Chessie - " Jacq " <jacqcote Tuesday, November 15, 2005 2:00 PM RE: animal rights for kids? > So far we love the Montessori school. He has learned more in the past month > than he learned in a whole year of preschool at his old daycare (they had a > preschool program). He has ADHD and when he got distracted or stubborn they > didn't really try to engage him in the activities. Now he is always coming > home telling me about some new thing he has learned. The structure also > suits his temperament because they do not interrupt children who are > concentrating so he isn't constantly dealing with problems transitioning. > He chooses when to transition to a new activity. The school itself is very > peaceful and I wish that I had been able to attend there myself. I feel > sorry that my other two children didn't have the opportunity to attend there > although they are doing really well in the public school system. > > Jacqueline C. > > > On > Behalf Of Chessie > November 15, 2005 2:31 PM > > RE: animal rights for kids? > > Jacqueline - > > I am so hoping that we move to a place with a Montessori school! I'm not > sure there is one in the entire state of Oklahoma. Speaking of OK and > homogeneous populations...I am still trying to get used to the commonality > of men who use two names - as in, " Jerry Bob " or " Donnie Joe. " After three > and a half years of trying to be positive and looking for the silver lining, > I've come to the conclusion that we just live in Hell. ;-) > > Chessie > > > On > Behalf Of Jacq > Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:36 AM > > RE: animal rights for kids? > > Hi Chessie, > > Thankfully we have had great experiences with the daycare that my youngest > son used to attend and with the Montessori school he is attending now. At > his daycare he was not only the only child with life threatening allergies > but he was also the only child that didn't eat meat. They were great though > and I just provided anything that he couldn't eat from home. They were good > about finding snacks that were ok for him and the other kids to eat so I was > really pleased. > > At his new school they have a lunch program that you have to pay for and I > just opted out of it. They don't really encourage it anyway and prefer the > kids to bring their own lunch. This school is the only one that I could say > has a multicultural group of children in the area so various food > restrictions are not uncommon there. The school is all about peace so they > aren't likely to give us a hard time about living more peacefully than > others. > > As an aside - At the public schools here not only are the children almost > all caucasian but the majority are Scottish so it is a rather homogenous > group. It took me a long time to get used to blue eyes being the most > common eye colour and MacDonald being the most common name rather than > Smith, when I moved here. > > Jacqueline > > > > On > Behalf Of Chessie > November 15, 2005 12:32 PM > > RE: animal rights for kids? > > Shelly and Jacqueline - when my two daughters were in daycare, the director > required a doctor's note before she would agree to a vegetarian diet for > them. She said that DHS requires any child on a different diet to have a > medical reason. I don't know if I believe that or not; it's a private > school and I think the " requirement " has more to do with her getting state > funding for lunches. Once we got that out of the way, the cook was great > about using the stuff I brought in (meat alternatives and organic milk). My > oldest daughter's teacher totally didn't get it though. One day she made > " octopus " out of wieners for snack. Not only did she " forget " and give my > daughter a meat wiener, but she didn't understand why my daughter was > confused about the idea of eating an octopus. Duh! Thankfully, they are no > longer enrolled there. > > Chessie > > > > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at > http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a > qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health > professional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 Renee-- OT, but true Montessori schools will group children roughly by age (or, if a public charter school, by grades). The groupings are ages 3-6, 6-9, and 9-12. The children will direct their own learning (or " work " ) for the bulk of the day. Most Montessori schools prefer that parents have a pretty strong understanding of the Montessori philosophy and approach, and may use that as part of the admission criteria. If you really want your child to attend, you might consider calling the school and asking about why she wasn't admitted and see if you can find out how to make a better fit between the school and your family. In my experience, most Montessori schools will be accepting and understanding of special dietary needs. K > I applied last year at a Montessori school for my daughter. They were very impressive. They had (I don't know if it it is typical of all montessori schools or not) classrooms that combined 1st-3rd grades, 4th-6th grades, and 7th-8th grades together into classrooms based on skill rather than age. They had the kids divided into multi-age groups that progressed thru the centers at different parts of the day. I think that she didn't get in because I asked so many questions about food/snacks that I believed they tagged her record not to let her in. I can't prove that.. I don't know if I'll bother reapplying this year as it will be a lot harder to get in not at the beginning. > Renee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 Another good resource for humane education for kids and teens: National Association for Humane and Environmental Education http://www.nahee.org/ Farm Sanctuary also has a " Cultivating Compassion " curriculum that focuses primarily on farmed animals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 Thank you so much Terry, we love this site! It is realistic, yet positive. I like that approach. ~Shelly Terry Somerson <terry wrote: Try www.bestfriends.org. >I was hoping that one of you other animal loving parents might have > some suggestions for my daughter. She was making up a poster to show > her friends talking about how Iams hurts animals and to go to > www.petakids.org. I think that peta is a good resource, but it is > rather intense, and not the most ideal website to be suggesting to > children. Is anyone aware of other, more humane, lower key websites > that she can visit? Sometimes she is too intense in the way she speaks > about her veganism to others. I want to help her to learn how to show > others with love and maybe even a little humor, she is only 9. Thanks, > Shelly For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 I have a question. With my son's school and daycare (we are on a military base over seas) in order for him to be served soy milk and not eat meat i need a doctors note saying he is allergic to the products. i think this is totally unfair. i think i should be able to say " dont give him any animal products " . he doesnt eat meat at home and when he comes home from school he has a stomach ache b/c he ate meat for lunch and drank milk. its a constant battle. there is no substitution for the meat and if he only gets side dishes he is hungry. any advice? Elizabeth shelly <joychild72 wrote: Congratulations Jacqueline, I know I am so proud of my kids as well. I told my oldest (12) daughter's teacher this morning that I was going to be sending her in some silk milk because she no longer consumes any animal products, and she seemed shocked on the phone. Her class has its own kitchen because they are taking part in life skills lessons and learning to cook. She is in a special education class. I got the same responce at my youngest ( 2 1/2)daughter's daycare when i let them know that she is not having anymore dairy or eggs. They were doing well with the vegetarian menu, accomidating her. I think they think I am a freak and subjecting my kids to a limiting and abusive existence, they just have not said it to me directly yet, but they sure give me the " look. " We will see how this all pans out. My middle daughter (9) wants to talk to friends about animal rights, but she comes across too intense and a bit self righteous. I hope that if I find a more gentle animal rights website for her it will help tone her down a bit. I know when i am asked about why I am a vegan i simply answer (in most cases) " Well, I get to have delicious food, be healthier and my animal friends get to live. " Most often I get a smile from others instead of a debate. I think it is more effective to teach by example, be gentle and kind and to add a little humor whenever possible. ~Shelly Jacq <jacqcote wrote:I was on the petakids website with my 10 year old son last night. I didn't find it too bad but there are probably other less " intense " sites that I would like him to visit as well. He has just made the transition to being vegetarian and I'm really proud of him. He is actually going to the school today to ask them to have more vegetarian options in the cafeteria. He normally takes his lunch but he is allowed to buy it one day a week and would like to have something to choose! We had a great mother/son time last night talking about being vegetarian and what happens to animals on farms. Jacqueline C. On Behalf Of Shelly November 15, 2005 12:17 AM animal rights for kids? I was hoping that one of you other animal loving parents might have some suggestions for my daughter. She was making up a poster to show her friends talking about how Iams hurts animals and to go to www.petakids.org. I think that peta is a good resource, but it is rather intense, and not the most ideal website to be suggesting to children. Is anyone aware of other, more humane, lower key websites that she can visit? Sometimes she is too intense in the way she speaks about her veganism to others. I want to help her to learn how to show others with love and maybe even a little humor, she is only 9. Thanks, Shelly For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Shelly, I'm glad you liked it. Best Friends focuses on the good news about animals. It is a great site, and if you ever get an opportunity to visit the sanctuary, you will find that it is an amazing, life-changing experience. I cannot say enough about the sanctuary or the people who work there. Also, you might find the Best Friends message boards helpful for Gizmo's situation. There is a great vet, vet tech, and behaviorist who respond to queries about health care and behavior. Plus a lot of very knowledgeable people who post there. I've gotten a lot of advice from them about dealing with my animals. I think you can access it from the Best Friends home page, maybe under community. Not sure (I have the page bookmarked and don't remember how I reached it) but if you browse around you'll find it. Good luck with the little guy. Terry > Thank you so much Terry, we love this site! It is realistic, yet positive. > I like that approach. ~Shelly > > Terry Somerson <terry wrote: Try www.bestfriends.org. > > >>I was hoping that one of you other animal loving parents might have >> some suggestions for my daughter. She was making up a poster to show >> her friends talking about how Iams hurts animals and to go to >> www.petakids.org. I think that peta is a good resource, but it is >> rather intense, and not the most ideal website to be suggesting to >> children. Is anyone aware of other, more humane, lower key websites >> that she can visit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Why can't you pack his lunch. You can also look around for a different daycare or private sitter who at least respects your beliefs. In the US typically elementary schools don't provide any kind of vegetarian/vegan option on a day-to-day basis. We have to pack a lunch.. even in other countries I can't imagine a school trying to force your child to eat meat/dairy. That is rediculous. Can you say where you are at? Renee Elizabeth Ster <veggiemama05 wrote: I have a question. With my son's school and daycare (we are on a military base over seas) in order for him to be served soy milk and not eat meat i need a doctors note saying he is allergic to the products. i think this is totally unfair. i think i should be able to say " dont give him any animal products " . he doesnt eat meat at home and when he comes home from school he has a stomach ache b/c he ate meat for lunch and drank milk. its a constant battle. there is no substitution for the meat and if he only gets side dishes he is hungry. any advice? Elizabeth shelly <joychild72 wrote: Congratulations Jacqueline, I know I am so proud of my kids as well. I told my oldest (12) daughter's teacher this morning that I was going to be sending her in some silk milk because she no longer consumes any animal products, and she seemed shocked on the phone. Her class has its own kitchen because they are taking part in life skills lessons and learning to cook. She is in a special education class. I got the same responce at my youngest ( 2 1/2)daughter's daycare when i let them know that she is not having anymore dairy or eggs. They were doing well with the vegetarian menu, accomidating her. I think they think I am a freak and subjecting my kids to a limiting and abusive existence, they just have not said it to me directly yet, but they sure give me the " look. " We will see how this all pans out. My middle daughter (9) wants to talk to friends about animal rights, but she comes across too intense and a bit self righteous. I hope that if I find a more gentle animal rights website for her it will help tone her down a bit. I know when i am asked about why I am a vegan i simply answer (in most cases) " Well, I get to have delicious food, be healthier and my animal friends get to live. " Most often I get a smile from others instead of a debate. I think it is more effective to teach by example, be gentle and kind and to add a little humor whenever possible. ~Shelly Jacq <jacqcote wrote:I was on the petakids website with my 10 year old son last night. I didn't find it too bad but there are probably other less " intense " sites that I would like him to visit as well. He has just made the transition to being vegetarian and I'm really proud of him. He is actually going to the school today to ask them to have more vegetarian options in the cafeteria. He normally takes his lunch but he is allowed to buy it one day a week and would like to have something to choose! We had a great mother/son time last night talking about being vegetarian and what happens to animals on farms. Jacqueline C. On Behalf Of Shelly November 15, 2005 12:17 AM animal rights for kids? I was hoping that one of you other animal loving parents might have some suggestions for my daughter. She was making up a poster to show her friends talking about how Iams hurts animals and to go to www.petakids.org. I think that peta is a good resource, but it is rather intense, and not the most ideal website to be suggesting to children. Is anyone aware of other, more humane, lower key websites that she can visit? Sometimes she is too intense in the way she speaks about her veganism to others. I want to help her to learn how to show others with love and maybe even a little humor, she is only 9. Thanks, Shelly For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 The daily stomach aches may be enough for a doc to at least declare him lactose intolerant. Can you just send PB & J with him, or show up at lunchtime with one? Good luck with this! - Elizabeth Ster Thursday, November 17, 2005 9:06 AM RE: animal rights for kids? I have a question. With my son's school and daycare (we are on a military base over seas) in order for him to be served soy milk and not eat meat i need a doctors note saying he is allergic to the products. i think this is totally unfair. i think i should be able to say " dont give him any animal products " . he doesnt eat meat at home and when he comes home from school he has a stomach ache b/c he ate meat for lunch and drank milk. its a constant battle. there is no substitution for the meat and if he only gets side dishes he is hungry. any advice? Elizabeth shelly <joychild72 wrote: Congratulations Jacqueline, I know I am so proud of my kids as well. I told my oldest (12) daughter's teacher this morning that I was going to be sending her in some silk milk because she no longer consumes any animal products, and she seemed shocked on the phone. Her class has its own kitchen because they are taking part in life skills lessons and learning to cook. She is in a special education class. I got the same responce at my youngest ( 2 1/2)daughter's daycare when i let them know that she is not having anymore dairy or eggs. They were doing well with the vegetarian menu, accomidating her. I think they think I am a freak and subjecting my kids to a limiting and abusive existence, they just have not said it to me directly yet, but they sure give me the " look. " We will see how this all pans out. My middle daughter (9) wants to talk to friends about animal rights, but she comes across too intense and a bit self righteous. I hope that if I find a more gentle animal rights website for her it will help tone her down a bit. I know when i am asked about why I am a vegan i simply answer (in most cases) " Well, I get to have delicious food, be healthier and my animal friends get to live. " Most often I get a smile from others instead of a debate. I think it is more effective to teach by example, be gentle and kind and to add a little humor whenever possible. ~Shelly Jacq <jacqcote wrote:I was on the petakids website with my 10 year old son last night. I didn't find it too bad but there are probably other less " intense " sites that I would like him to visit as well. He has just made the transition to being vegetarian and I'm really proud of him. He is actually going to the school today to ask them to have more vegetarian options in the cafeteria. He normally takes his lunch but he is allowed to buy it one day a week and would like to have something to choose! We had a great mother/son time last night talking about being vegetarian and what happens to animals on farms. Jacqueline C. On Behalf Of Shelly November 15, 2005 12:17 AM animal rights for kids? I was hoping that one of you other animal loving parents might have some suggestions for my daughter. She was making up a poster to show her friends talking about how Iams hurts animals and to go to www.petakids.org. I think that peta is a good resource, but it is rather intense, and not the most ideal website to be suggesting to children. Is anyone aware of other, more humane, lower key websites that she can visit? Sometimes she is too intense in the way she speaks about her veganism to others. I want to help her to learn how to show others with love and maybe even a little humor, she is only 9. Thanks, Shelly For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Hi Elizabeth and welcome! This just flat out makes me mad. As a veteran, I am particularly appalled by the lack of support that the military is showing for you by disrespecting your choices. As Liz said, try approaching it from a different angle - I have stated to daycares in the past that my family is pantheistic and thus vegetarianism is part of our religion. The idea that we are actually pantheistic is not wholly true, but it made the point. Another alternative, from the medical perspective, is that vegetarianism is a good choice for folks who are genetically predisposed to certain types of disease - obesity, diabetes, heart disease. If you or your husband have family members with these problems, a doctor might be willing to support your choice as a preventive measure. Good luck to you and don't give up. I know for a fact that the Army will put a vegetarian in harm's way just as fast as they will an omnivore, and there is no excuse for this policy that disrespects your beliefs. Chessie On Behalf Of Elizabeth Ster Thursday, November 17, 2005 4:10 AM RE: animal rights for kids? I have a question. With my son's school and daycare (we are on a military base over seas) in order for him to be served soy milk and not eat meat i need a doctors note saying he is allergic to the products. i think this is totally unfair. i think i should be able to say " dont give him any animal products " . he doesnt eat meat at home and when he comes home from school he has a stomach ache b/c he ate meat for lunch and drank milk. its a constant battle. there is no substitution for the meat and if he only gets side dishes he is hungry. any advice? Elizabeth shelly <joychild72 wrote: Congratulations Jacqueline, I know I am so proud of my kids as well. I told my oldest (12) daughter's teacher this morning that I was going to be sending her in some silk milk because she no longer consumes any animal products, and she seemed shocked on the phone. Her class has its own kitchen because they are taking part in life skills lessons and learning to cook. She is in a special education class. I got the same responce at my youngest ( 2 1/2)daughter's daycare when i let them know that she is not having anymore dairy or eggs. They were doing well with the vegetarian menu, accomidating her. I think they think I am a freak and subjecting my kids to a limiting and abusive existence, they just have not said it to me directly yet, but they sure give me the " look. " We will see how this all pans out. My middle daughter (9) wants to talk to friends about animal rights, but she comes across too intense and a bit self righteous. I hope that if I find a more gentle animal rights website for her it will help tone her down a bit. I know when i am asked about why I am a vegan i simply answer (in most cases) " Well, I get to have delicious food, be healthier and my animal friends get to live. " Most often I get a smile from others instead of a debate. I think it is more effective to teach by example, be gentle and kind and to add a little humor whenever possible. ~Shelly Jacq <jacqcote wrote:I was on the petakids website with my 10 year old son last night. I didn't find it too bad but there are probably other less " intense " sites that I would like him to visit as well. He has just made the transition to being vegetarian and I'm really proud of him. He is actually going to the school today to ask them to have more vegetarian options in the cafeteria. He normally takes his lunch but he is allowed to buy it one day a week and would like to have something to choose! We had a great mother/son time last night talking about being vegetarian and what happens to animals on farms. Jacqueline C. On Behalf Of Shelly November 15, 2005 12:17 AM animal rights for kids? I was hoping that one of you other animal loving parents might have some suggestions for my daughter. She was making up a poster to show her friends talking about how Iams hurts animals and to go to www.petakids.org. I think that peta is a good resource, but it is rather intense, and not the most ideal website to be suggesting to children. Is anyone aware of other, more humane, lower key websites that she can visit? Sometimes she is too intense in the way she speaks about her veganism to others. I want to help her to learn how to show others with love and maybe even a little humor, she is only 9. Thanks, Shelly For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 I agree that a doctor might be able to provide a note if he's coming home sick. Angel A >The daily stomach aches may be enough for a doc to at least declare >him lactose intolerant. Can you just send PB & J with him, or show up >at lunchtime with one? > >Good luck with this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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