Guest guest Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Very good point. When I've told people that we're vegetarian for spiritual reasons, they tend to back right off. After all, would they tell someone who keeps kosher that they have to eat pork? -- " Chessie " <vegetariyum Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:23:07 -0600 >Hi Elizabeth and welcome! This just flat out makes me mad. As a veteran, I >am particularly appalled by the lack of support that the military is showing >for you by disrespecting your choices. As Liz said, try approaching it from >a different angle - I have stated to daycares in the past that my family is >pantheistic and thus vegetarianism is part of our religion. The idea that >we are actually pantheistic is not wholly true, but it made the point. >Another alternative, from the medical perspective, is that vegetarianism is >a good choice for folks who are genetically predisposed to certain types of >disease - obesity, diabetes, heart disease. If you or your husband have >family members with these problems, a doctor might be willing to support >your choice as a preventive measure. Good luck to you and don't give up. I >know for a fact that the Army will put a vegetarian in harm's way just as >fast as they will an omnivore, and there is no excuse for this policy that >disrespects your beliefs. > >Chessie > > > On >Behalf Of Elizabeth Ster >Thursday, November 17, 2005 4:10 AM > >RE: animal rights for kids? > >I have a question. With my son's school and daycare (we are on a military >base over seas) in order for him to be served soy milk and not eat meat i >need a doctors note saying he is allergic to the products. i think this is >totally unfair. i think i should be able to say " dont give him any animal >products " . he doesnt eat meat at home and when he comes home from school he >has a stomach ache b/c he ate meat for lunch and drank milk. > its a constant battle. there is no substitution for the meat and if he >only gets side dishes he is hungry. > any advice? > > Elizabeth > >shelly <joychild72 wrote: > Congratulations Jacqueline, I know I am so proud of my kids as well. I >told my oldest (12) daughter's teacher this morning that I was going to be >sending her in some silk milk because she no longer consumes any animal >products, and she seemed shocked on the phone. Her class has its own kitchen >because they are taking part in life skills lessons and learning to cook. >She is in a special education class. I got the same responce at my youngest >( 2 1/2)daughter's daycare when i let them know that she is not having >anymore dairy or eggs. They were doing well with the vegetarian menu, >accomidating her. I think they think I am a freak and subjecting my kids to >a limiting and abusive existence, they just have not said it to me directly >yet, but they sure give me the " look. " We will see how this all pans out. My >middle daughter (9) wants to talk to friends about animal rights, but she >comes across too intense and a bit self righteous. I hope that if I find a >more gentle animal rights website >for her it will help tone her down a bit. I know when i am asked about why I >am a vegan i simply answer (in most cases) " Well, I get to have delicious >food, be healthier and my animal friends get to live. " Most often I get a >smile from others instead of a debate. I think it is more effective to teach >by example, be gentle and kind and to add a little humor whenever possible. >~Shelly > >Jacq <jacqcote wrote:I was on the petakids website with my >10 year old son last night. I didn't >find it too bad but there are probably other less " intense " sites that I >would like him to visit as well. He has just made the transition to being >vegetarian and I'm really proud of him. He is actually going to the school >today to ask them to have more vegetarian options in the cafeteria. He >normally takes his lunch but he is allowed to buy it one day a week and >would like to have something to choose! > >We had a great mother/son time last night talking about being vegetarian and >what happens to animals on farms. > >Jacqueline C. > > > > On >Behalf Of Shelly >November 15, 2005 12:17 AM > > animal rights for kids? > >I was hoping that one of you other animal loving parents might have >some suggestions for my daughter. She was making up a poster to show >her friends talking about how Iams hurts animals and to go to >www.petakids.org. I think that peta is a good resource, but it is >rather intense, and not the most ideal website to be suggesting to >children. Is anyone aware of other, more humane, lower key websites >that she can visit? Sometimes she is too intense in the way she speaks >about her veganism to others. I want to help her to learn how to show >others with love and maybe even a little humor, she is only 9. Thanks, >Shelly > > > > > > > >For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at >http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to >http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to >provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a >qualified health professional. > >edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health >professional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2005 Report Share Posted November 19, 2005 That is a great idea! We go to christian church and we also have some buddhist, panthiestic and native beliefs as well. Perhaps I should use the spiritual explaination as well. Thanks, Shelly Maria Rasmussen <Fab5 wrote: Very good point. When I've told people that we're vegetarian for spiritual reasons, they tend to back right off. After all, would they tell someone who keeps kosher that they have to eat pork? -- " Chessie " <vegetariyum Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:23:07 -0600 >Hi Elizabeth and welcome! This just flat out makes me mad. As a veteran, I >am particularly appalled by the lack of support that the military is showing >for you by disrespecting your choices. As Liz said, try approaching it from >a different angle - I have stated to daycares in the past that my family is >pantheistic and thus vegetarianism is part of our religion. The idea that >we are actually pantheistic is not wholly true, but it made the point. >Another alternative, from the medical perspective, is that vegetarianism is >a good choice for folks who are genetically predisposed to certain types of >disease - obesity, diabetes, heart disease. If you or your husband have >family members with these problems, a doctor might be willing to support >your choice as a preventive measure. Good luck to you and don't give up. I >know for a fact that the Army will put a vegetarian in harm's way just as >fast as they will an omnivore, and there is no excuse for this policy that >disrespects your beliefs. > >Chessie > > > On >Behalf Of Elizabeth Ster >Thursday, November 17, 2005 4:10 AM > >RE: animal rights for kids? > >I have a question. With my son's school and daycare (we are on a military >base over seas) in order for him to be served soy milk and not eat meat i >need a doctors note saying he is allergic to the products. i think this is >totally unfair. i think i should be able to say " dont give him any animal >products " . he doesnt eat meat at home and when he comes home from school he >has a stomach ache b/c he ate meat for lunch and drank milk. > its a constant battle. there is no substitution for the meat and if he >only gets side dishes he is hungry. > any advice? > > Elizabeth > >shelly <joychild72 wrote: > Congratulations Jacqueline, I know I am so proud of my kids as well. I >told my oldest (12) daughter's teacher this morning that I was going to be >sending her in some silk milk because she no longer consumes any animal >products, and she seemed shocked on the phone. Her class has its own kitchen >because they are taking part in life skills lessons and learning to cook. >She is in a special education class. I got the same responce at my youngest >( 2 1/2)daughter's daycare when i let them know that she is not having >anymore dairy or eggs. They were doing well with the vegetarian menu, >accomidating her. I think they think I am a freak and subjecting my kids to >a limiting and abusive existence, they just have not said it to me directly >yet, but they sure give me the " look. " We will see how this all pans out. My >middle daughter (9) wants to talk to friends about animal rights, but she >comes across too intense and a bit self righteous. I hope that if I find a >more gentle animal rights website >for her it will help tone her down a bit. I know when i am asked about why I >am a vegan i simply answer (in most cases) " Well, I get to have delicious >food, be healthier and my animal friends get to live. " Most often I get a >smile from others instead of a debate. I think it is more effective to teach >by example, be gentle and kind and to add a little humor whenever possible. >~Shelly > >Jacq <jacqcote wrote:I was on the petakids website with my >10 year old son last night. I didn't >find it too bad but there are probably other less " intense " sites that I >would like him to visit as well. He has just made the transition to being >vegetarian and I'm really proud of him. He is actually going to the school >today to ask them to have more vegetarian options in the cafeteria. He >normally takes his lunch but he is allowed to buy it one day a week and >would like to have something to choose! > >We had a great mother/son time last night talking about being vegetarian and >what happens to animals on farms. > >Jacqueline C. > > > > On >Behalf Of Shelly >November 15, 2005 12:17 AM > > animal rights for kids? > >I was hoping that one of you other animal loving parents might have >some suggestions for my daughter. She was making up a poster to show >her friends talking about how Iams hurts animals and to go to >www.petakids.org. I think that peta is a good resource, but it is >rather intense, and not the most ideal website to be suggesting to >children. Is anyone aware of other, more humane, lower key websites >that she can visit? Sometimes she is too intense in the way she speaks >about her veganism to others. I want to help her to learn how to show >others with love and maybe even a little humor, she is only 9. Thanks, >Shelly > > > > > > > >For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at >http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to >http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to >provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a >qualified health professional. > >edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health >professional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 We are in Aviano Italy. My son attends the DODDS school on base (its the american school). Last year when he went to the Aslio (Itailan pre school) all i had to do was tell them he was a veg. and they made sure he didnt get the meats and gave him more pasta. So its the issue with the american school. For his grade they do not allow foods from home. its a pain in the butt let me tell you. Renee Carroll <renecarol25 wrote: Why can't you pack his lunch. You can also look around for a different daycare or private sitter who at least respects your beliefs. In the US typically elementary schools don't provide any kind of vegetarian/vegan option on a day-to-day basis. We have to pack a lunch.. even in other countries I can't imagine a school trying to force your child to eat meat/dairy. That is rediculous. Can you say where you are at? Renee Elizabeth Ster <veggiemama05 wrote: I have a question. With my son's school and daycare (we are on a military base over seas) in order for him to be served soy milk and not eat meat i need a doctors note saying he is allergic to the products. i think this is totally unfair. i think i should be able to say " dont give him any animal products " . he doesnt eat meat at home and when he comes home from school he has a stomach ache b/c he ate meat for lunch and drank milk. its a constant battle. there is no substitution for the meat and if he only gets side dishes he is hungry. any advice? Elizabeth shelly <joychild72 wrote: Congratulations Jacqueline, I know I am so proud of my kids as well. I told my oldest (12) daughter's teacher this morning that I was going to be sending her in some silk milk because she no longer consumes any animal products, and she seemed shocked on the phone. Her class has its own kitchen because they are taking part in life skills lessons and learning to cook. She is in a special education class. I got the same responce at my youngest ( 2 1/2)daughter's daycare when i let them know that she is not having anymore dairy or eggs. They were doing well with the vegetarian menu, accomidating her. I think they think I am a freak and subjecting my kids to a limiting and abusive existence, they just have not said it to me directly yet, but they sure give me the " look. " We will see how this all pans out. My middle daughter (9) wants to talk to friends about animal rights, but she comes across too intense and a bit self righteous. I hope that if I find a more gentle animal rights website for her it will help tone her down a bit. I know when i am asked about why I am a vegan i simply answer (in most cases) " Well, I get to have delicious food, be healthier and my animal friends get to live. " Most often I get a smile from others instead of a debate. I think it is more effective to teach by example, be gentle and kind and to add a little humor whenever possible. ~Shelly Jacq <jacqcote wrote:I was on the petakids website with my 10 year old son last night. I didn't find it too bad but there are probably other less " intense " sites that I would like him to visit as well. He has just made the transition to being vegetarian and I'm really proud of him. He is actually going to the school today to ask them to have more vegetarian options in the cafeteria. He normally takes his lunch but he is allowed to buy it one day a week and would like to have something to choose! We had a great mother/son time last night talking about being vegetarian and what happens to animals on farms. Jacqueline C. On Behalf Of Shelly November 15, 2005 12:17 AM animal rights for kids? I was hoping that one of you other animal loving parents might have some suggestions for my daughter. She was making up a poster to show her friends talking about how Iams hurts animals and to go to www.petakids.org. I think that peta is a good resource, but it is rather intense, and not the most ideal website to be suggesting to children. Is anyone aware of other, more humane, lower key websites that she can visit? Sometimes she is too intense in the way she speaks about her veganism to others. I want to help her to learn how to show others with love and maybe even a little humor, she is only 9. Thanks, Shelly For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 Thank you for your support. Its not really the military per say thats being discriminator its the government in gerenal i think. b/c its the school now and the daycare which requires doctors notes. anyway, i am still working on it. thanks again Chessie <vegetariyum wrote: Hi Elizabeth and welcome! This just flat out makes me mad. As a veteran, I am particularly appalled by the lack of support that the military is showing for you by disrespecting your choices. As Liz said, try approaching it from a different angle - I have stated to daycares in the past that my family is pantheistic and thus vegetarianism is part of our religion. The idea that we are actually pantheistic is not wholly true, but it made the point. Another alternative, from the medical perspective, is that vegetarianism is a good choice for folks who are genetically predisposed to certain types of disease - obesity, diabetes, heart disease. If you or your husband have family members with these problems, a doctor might be willing to support your choice as a preventive measure. Good luck to you and don't give up. I know for a fact that the Army will put a vegetarian in harm's way just as fast as they will an omnivore, and there is no excuse for this policy that disrespects your beliefs. Chessie On Behalf Of Elizabeth Ster Thursday, November 17, 2005 4:10 AM RE: animal rights for kids? I have a question. With my son's school and daycare (we are on a military base over seas) in order for him to be served soy milk and not eat meat i need a doctors note saying he is allergic to the products. i think this is totally unfair. i think i should be able to say " dont give him any animal products " . he doesnt eat meat at home and when he comes home from school he has a stomach ache b/c he ate meat for lunch and drank milk. its a constant battle. there is no substitution for the meat and if he only gets side dishes he is hungry. any advice? Elizabeth shelly <joychild72 wrote: Congratulations Jacqueline, I know I am so proud of my kids as well. I told my oldest (12) daughter's teacher this morning that I was going to be sending her in some silk milk because she no longer consumes any animal products, and she seemed shocked on the phone. Her class has its own kitchen because they are taking part in life skills lessons and learning to cook. She is in a special education class. I got the same responce at my youngest ( 2 1/2)daughter's daycare when i let them know that she is not having anymore dairy or eggs. They were doing well with the vegetarian menu, accomidating her. I think they think I am a freak and subjecting my kids to a limiting and abusive existence, they just have not said it to me directly yet, but they sure give me the " look. " We will see how this all pans out. My middle daughter (9) wants to talk to friends about animal rights, but she comes across too intense and a bit self righteous. I hope that if I find a more gentle animal rights website for her it will help tone her down a bit. I know when i am asked about why I am a vegan i simply answer (in most cases) " Well, I get to have delicious food, be healthier and my animal friends get to live. " Most often I get a smile from others instead of a debate. I think it is more effective to teach by example, be gentle and kind and to add a little humor whenever possible. ~Shelly Jacq <jacqcote wrote:I was on the petakids website with my 10 year old son last night. I didn't find it too bad but there are probably other less " intense " sites that I would like him to visit as well. He has just made the transition to being vegetarian and I'm really proud of him. He is actually going to the school today to ask them to have more vegetarian options in the cafeteria. He normally takes his lunch but he is allowed to buy it one day a week and would like to have something to choose! We had a great mother/son time last night talking about being vegetarian and what happens to animals on farms. Jacqueline C. On Behalf Of Shelly November 15, 2005 12:17 AM animal rights for kids? I was hoping that one of you other animal loving parents might have some suggestions for my daughter. She was making up a poster to show her friends talking about how Iams hurts animals and to go to www.petakids.org. I think that peta is a good resource, but it is rather intense, and not the most ideal website to be suggesting to children. Is anyone aware of other, more humane, lower key websites that she can visit? Sometimes she is too intense in the way she speaks about her veganism to others. I want to help her to learn how to show others with love and maybe even a little humor, she is only 9. Thanks, Shelly For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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