Guest guest Posted January 7, 2003 Report Share Posted January 7, 2003 Hi, Everyone! When I was using a higher protein diet to lose weight, I have to admit, it worked. I lost 15 pounds the first month. Once I hit my " cycle " I started eating badly again and went on a binge from there to gain the weight back plus some. I don't believe that eliminating all carbs is a healthy way to lose weight. I was attending food addicts meetings and following the program that they recommended. After the first month you begin to slowly add carbs back into the diet in the form of whole grains like oatmeal. Sugar was also avoided and stevia was used as a replacement when needed. I actually left the meetings because I was uncomfortable with the heavy religious connection in this particular program. It was run according to the 12 steps of AA, but a lot of the participants were very religious and I did not believe the same thing that they did and it made me feel a little out of place. Some tips that I thought were helpful were as follows: Breakfast: 2 eggs or 4 oz. low-fat cottage cheese or 8 oz plain yogurt w/one med.size piece of fruit or 6 oz. canned fruit (in own juice only) Lunch: 6 oz. raw veggie 6 oz. cooked veggie 4 oz. protein of choice I would consider a 4 oz. portion of beans and brown rice to work well here. Or a boca burger w/o bun w/fixins Dinner: 12oz salad w/ 2 tbsp of regular dressing w/o sugar in it. I used Lily's Northern Italian This salad is huge and can really fill you up, try adding spinach leaves to your lettuce mix 6 oz cooked veggies 4 oz protein of choice I also do not see any harm in adding in a second piece of fruit in the evening for dessert. After the first month add 1 oz cooked oatmeal to breakfast each day....that is all I know, I left the meetings after that. BB. Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2003 Report Share Posted January 7, 2003 The program you described sounds alot like Dr Barry Seers zone diet. Its still a low carb diet but supposed to be more healthy than the atkins diet. I haven't trieds these before but have read quite a bit about them. Someone mentioned the zone diet before (the soy zone). Anyone know anything about it? Laura (uk) , " whisperwind5 <whisperwind5> " <whisperwind5> wrote: > Hi, Everyone! > When I was using a higher protein diet to lose weight, I have to > admit, it worked. I lost 15 pounds the first month. Once I hit > my " cycle " I started eating badly again and went on a binge from > there to gain the weight back plus some. I don't believe that > eliminating all carbs is a healthy way to lose weight. I was > attending food addicts meetings and following the program that they > recommended. After the first month you begin to slowly add carbs > back into the diet in the form of whole grains like oatmeal. Sugar > was also avoided and stevia was used as a replacement when needed. I > actually left the meetings because I was uncomfortable with the heavy > religious connection in this particular program. It was run > according to the 12 steps of AA, but a lot of the participants were > very religious and I did not believe the same thing that they did and > it made me feel a little out of place. > > Some tips that I thought were helpful were as follows: > > Breakfast: > 2 eggs or 4 oz. low-fat cottage cheese or 8 oz plain yogurt w/one > med.size piece of fruit or 6 oz. canned fruit (in own juice only) > > Lunch: > 6 oz. raw veggie > 6 oz. cooked veggie > 4 oz. protein of choice > I would consider a 4 oz. portion of beans and brown rice to work well > here. Or a boca burger w/o bun w/fixins > > Dinner: > 12oz salad w/ 2 tbsp of regular dressing w/o sugar in it. I used > Lily's Northern Italian > This salad is huge and can really fill you up, try adding spinach > leaves to your lettuce mix > 6 oz cooked veggies > 4 oz protein of choice > > I also do not see any harm in adding in a second piece of fruit in > the evening for dessert. After the first month add 1 oz cooked > oatmeal to breakfast each day....that is all I know, I left the > meetings after that. > > BB. Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2003 Report Share Posted January 7, 2003 Laura wrote: >The program you described sounds alot like Dr Barry Seers zone >diet. Its still a low carb diet but supposed to be more healthy >than the atkins diet. I haven't trieds these before but have read >quite a bit about them. Someone mentioned the zone diet before (the >soy zone). Anyone know anything about it? The Zone's higher in carbs than most low-carb diets. Read a comparison of low-carb diets here, including the Zone diet: http://www.low-carb-diet-plans.com/the_zone_diet.htm I was going to try Atkins this week, but made myself feel like crap yesterday with all the fatty cheeses and vegetarian " Canadian bacon " - switched to Protein Power which allows 7-10 grams of carb per meal and an optional 7-10 gram carb snack. This one's easier for me to do. (I'm mostly vegetarian but willing to eat seafood and free-range organic meats in the interest of getting more protein. Would prefer to be more vegetarian, which is part of why I'm on this list.) Kira in Nebraska __________ Free 20MB Web Site Hosting and Personalized E-mail Service! Get It Now At Doteasy.com http://www.doteasy.com/et/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2003 Report Share Posted January 7, 2003 *****Laura UK wrote..... >>>The program you described sounds alot like Dr Barry Seers zone diet. Its still a low carb diet but supposed to be more healthy than the atkins diet. I haven't trieds these before but have read quite a bit about them. Someone mentioned the zone diet before (the soy zone). Anyone know anything about it?<<< According to my calculations (see below), the lunch menu is not a zone meal. While it's an excellent veggie meal, it fails the zone requirements for all three macronutrients. I've been on the soy zone diet since Jan 17, 2002, and I've been able to convert my favorite dishes to the 1-2-3 zone proportions mentioned below. During that time period, I've dropped over 39 lbs. Dave ****Unless you want to see the math, don't read beyond here.**** For example, the lunch menu offers 12 oz of veggies (I'll assume carrots. That's .43 gm F, 3 gm P, 31.29 gm C, and 132.9 calories) and 4 oz of protein (I'll assume tofu. That's 5.6 gm F, 9.2 gm P, 2 gm C, and 88 calories). The total meal is approx. 6 gm F, 12 gm P, 33 gm C, and 220 calories. The zone calcs: The fat equals 54 calories, the protein equals 48 calories, and the carbos equal 132 calories. Total calories equal 234. Zone meals are based on a formula of 1-2-3. 1 part fat, 2 parts protein, and 3 parts carbo. Expressed another way: 17% fat, 33% protein, and 50% carbo. The meal being analyses is 23.1% fat, 20.1% protein, and 56.4% carbo. While the zone numbers allow some flexibility, I would adjust the " fat down " and bump the " protein up " before I ate it. I hope no one's ready to give up being veggie after seeing all this, but keep in mind that I've been doing this stuff for over 20 years. *****Laura H wrote..... >>...Breakfast: > 2 eggs or 4 oz. low-fat cottage cheese or 8 oz plain yogurt w/one > med.size piece of fruit or 6 oz. canned fruit (in own juice only) > > Lunch: > 6 oz. raw veggie > 6 oz. cooked veggie > 4 oz. protein of choice > I would consider a 4 oz. portion of beans and brown rice to work well > here. Or a boca burger w/o bun w/fixins > > Dinner: > 12oz salad w/ 2 tbsp of regular dressing w/o sugar in it. I used > Lily's Northern Italian > This salad is huge and can really fill you up, try adding spinach > leaves to your lettuce mix > 6 oz cooked veggies > 4 oz protein of choice<< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2003 Report Share Posted January 8, 2003 Ah Ha!!!! Holding back on us! We want info on the Soy Zone diet! LOL! Is there a site? I am confused on the conversion of the lunch menu though. Where does all that fat come from? None in either of the veggies....the beans(kidney) have 0.5g per 1/2 cup serving and the brown rice has 2g per 1/2 cup serving which would actually be 8 oz (1 cup)instead of 4 oz which I think is a reasonable portion. A boca burger has 1 g of fat....you would have either not both....For flavor I dress the beans and rice with a little no fat tomato sauce and spices...the boca burger with a slice of tomato, lettuce and a few dill pickles...tiny bit o mustard...very yummy!! Did you mean breakfast? I usually have the 1% cottage cheese w pineapple chunks. BB. Laura H. --- > > According to my calculations (see below), the lunch menu is not a zone meal. > While it's an excellent veggie meal, it fails the zone requirements for all > three macronutrients. > > I've been on the soy zone diet since Jan 17, 2002, and I've been able to > convert my favorite dishes to the 1-2-3 zone proportions mentioned below. > During that time period, I've dropped over 39 lbs. > > Dave > > > ****Unless you want to see the math, don't read beyond here.**** > For example, the lunch menu offers 12 oz of veggies (I'll assume carrots. > That's .43 gm F, 3 gm P, 31.29 gm C, and 132.9 calories) and 4 oz of protein > (I'll assume tofu. That's 5.6 gm F, 9.2 gm P, 2 gm C, and 88 calories). > The total meal is approx. 6 gm F, 12 gm P, 33 gm C, and 220 calories. > > The zone calcs: The fat equals 54 calories, the protein equals 48 calories, > and the carbos equal 132 calories. Total calories equal 234. Zone meals > are based on a formula of 1-2-3. 1 part fat, 2 parts protein, and 3 parts > carbo. Expressed another way: 17% fat, 33% protein, and 50% carbo. > > The meal being analyses is 23.1% fat, 20.1% protein, and 56.4% carbo. While > the zone numbers allow some flexibility, I would adjust the " fat down " and > bump the " protein up " before I ate it. > > I hope no one's ready to give up being veggie after seeing all this, but > keep in mind that I've been doing this stuff for over 20 years. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2003 Report Share Posted January 8, 2003 *****Laura H wrote.... >>Ah Ha!!!! Holding back on us! We want info on the Soy Zone diet! LOL! Is there a site?<< Oops, busted again!! Here's what I know... http://www.zoneperfect.com/Site/Content/index.asp http://www.drsears.com/ The Zone Information Center: 1-800-390-6690 >>I am confused on the conversion of the lunch menu though. Where does all that fat come from?<< I use " The complete book of Food Counts, " Fifth Edition by Corinne T Netzer to get info about the three macronutrients. Accordingly, 2.8 oz of carrots have .1 gm F, .7 gm P, and 7.3 gm C. Doing the conversion math, I calculated the amounts in 12 ozs. I know you probably won't eat 12 ozs of the same thing, but it was only an example. Likewise, 1 oz of tofu has 1.4 gm F, 2.3 gm P, and .5 gm C. Does this help? >>...Did you mean breakfast? I usually have the 1% cottage cheese w pineapple chunks.<< No, I was using the lunch suggestion you offered. BTW, here's what I have for breakfast. ****Dave's Zone Breakfast Shake**** In a blender, add 8 oz Odwalla Superfood (chilled) [1, 3, 32] 6 oz cold water (adjust quantity for thickness you like) 1 heaped scoop Soy & Whey Protein powder (from GNC) equals 1 scoop + 1 tsp [2, 24, 9] 16 cashew nuts [14, 5, 9] Blend until smooth Zone evaluation: Actual [17, 32, 50] Zone [17, 34, 51] NOTE: [1, 3, 32] means 1 gm F, 3 gm P, and 32 gm C. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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