Guest guest Posted January 8, 2003 Report Share Posted January 8, 2003 My only response is that doctors don't know their a__ from a hole in the ground when it comes to health. They are experts at making money. Ron --- Gail Shirley <gailalice2000 wrote: > > Hello Everyone: > My name is Gail. I am a Registered Nurse and have > been a vegetarian for about 10 years. I stopped > eating meat when I started working in the operating > room. I loved my job - but it turned me off from > eating meat. I went to a local health food store > who had cooking lessons and learned all that I > could. I wanted to make sure my children, who were > young at the time, got all they needed. > I wanted to shared a story about my Obstetrician. > On my first visit (this happened 6 years ago) I told > him I was a vegetarian. His response was to pull > his glasses down to the tip of his nose, look at me > over the top of his glasses while pointing his > finger at me and said, 'YOU BETTER START EATING SOME > MEAT IF YOU WANT YOUR BABY TO GROW RIGHT " . Lucky > for me that I was well-informed. So I pulled my > glasses down to the tip of my nose, look over at him > pointing my finger in his direction and said, 'YOU > NEED TO BUY A GOOD NUTRITION BOOK AND START > STUDYING; DO I LOOK MALNOURISHED? " I then went and > found myself a new Obstetrician. > My weight dilemma is that I " crave sweets " . I eat > well-balanced otherwise. Does anyone have any ideas > to feed the sweet craving with eating all the stuff > I shouldn't? > Thanks, > Gail > " bluetulipz <bluetulipz " > <bluetulipz wrote:I use to get this all > the time, especially from my mom. She'd say > things like, you at least need to eat some chicken > or fish or > something. I would always ask why and her typical > response was always > something just like " you just should " . After > confronting her with > recent information she has very little ammo in this > arena and have > yet to here a peep out of her, about my eating > habits at least > 1. A vegetarian does not have to take vitamins to > stay healthy. I > personally think it's a good idea if everyone > (non-veggies included) > takes them. I prefer Michael's One a Day, but I go > through stages of > taking a vegetarian multi-vitamin everyday and then > won't for a > while. I just forget or whatever and it never seems > to really affect > my health. I feel the best when I am making a > conscious effort to be > aware of my intake of protein, veggies, fruits, etc. > Although I don't > know if this is a result of intaking a balanced diet > or if it's I > just feel good about making healthy choices. > 2. You'd be pretty hard-pressed to find a vegetarian > in USA, Uk, etc > who is lacking in protein. There are so many sources > of nutritional > protein that do not come from animals. Beans, > lentils, tofu-based > fake meats, etc are all wonderful sources of protein > and are actually > much healthier than animal-based proteins b/c they > do not contain > cholesterol. > 3. The most compelling information is that the USDA > is now agreeing > with what many dieticians have been saying for a > while now. > Vegetarian diets are considered by the USDA as being > able to provide > a healthy, well-balanced diet. Here is a USDA link > with a wealth of > info and resources: > http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/pubs/bibs/gen/vegetarian.htm > > I think many people feel the need to rationalize > eating meat by > thinking that one must eat meat in order to be > healthy. Thus, they > are 'concerned' that you may be unhealthy by > abstaining from meat. > Personally, I think it's really hard for my mom to > forgo being > concerned about me, my diet, etc. I think it's kinda > hard-wired that > mothers be concerned about properly feeding their > children and > difficult to ever release such motherly > callings...even if what she > considers to be healthy isn't necessarily so. > > karen > , > " starrynght23 > <wonderwoman817> " <wonderwoman817> wrote: > > my family is extremly opposed to a vegetarian diet > (they are like > the > > family in my big fat greek wedding but italian) > anyway, they think > it > > isn't healthy when it comes to vitamins, etc. does > anyone recommend > a > > vitamin supplement or anything that you may take? > just curious? > > thx, amy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2003 Report Share Posted January 8, 2003 Exactly!! Especially OB's...(of course, I'm biased being a student midwife and all). Warmly, Allison --- Ron McClure <rlmftw wrote: > My only response is that doctors don't know their > a__ > from a hole in the ground when it comes to health. > They are experts at making money. > > Ron > --- Gail Shirley <gailalice2000 wrote: > > > > Hello Everyone: > > My name is Gail. I am a Registered Nurse and have > > been a vegetarian for about 10 years. I stopped > > eating meat when I started working in the > operating > > room. I loved my job - but it turned me off from > > eating meat. I went to a local health food store > > who had cooking lessons and learned all that I > > could. I wanted to make sure my children, who > were > > young at the time, got all they needed. > > I wanted to shared a story about my Obstetrician. > > On my first visit (this happened 6 years ago) I > told > > him I was a vegetarian. His response was to pull > > his glasses down to the tip of his nose, look at > me > > over the top of his glasses while pointing his > > finger at me and said, 'YOU BETTER START EATING > SOME > > MEAT IF YOU WANT YOUR BABY TO GROW RIGHT " . Lucky > > for me that I was well-informed. So I pulled my > > glasses down to the tip of my nose, look over at > him > > pointing my finger in his direction and said, 'YOU > > NEED TO BUY A GOOD NUTRITION BOOK AND START > > STUDYING; DO I LOOK MALNOURISHED? " I then went > and > > found myself a new Obstetrician. > > My weight dilemma is that I " crave sweets " . I eat > > well-balanced otherwise. Does anyone have any > ideas > > to feed the sweet craving with eating all the > stuff > > I shouldn't? > > Thanks, > > Gail > > " bluetulipz <bluetulipz " > > <bluetulipz wrote:I use to get this all > > the time, especially from my mom. She'd say > > things like, you at least need to eat some chicken > > or fish or > > something. I would always ask why and her typical > > response was always > > something just like " you just should " . After > > confronting her with > > recent information she has very little ammo in > this > > arena and have > > yet to here a peep out of her, about my eating > > habits at least > > 1. A vegetarian does not have to take vitamins to > > stay healthy. I > > personally think it's a good idea if everyone > > (non-veggies included) > > takes them. I prefer Michael's One a Day, but I go > > through stages of > > taking a vegetarian multi-vitamin everyday and > then > > won't for a > > while. I just forget or whatever and it never > seems > > to really affect > > my health. I feel the best when I am making a > > conscious effort to be > > aware of my intake of protein, veggies, fruits, > etc. > > Although I don't > > know if this is a result of intaking a balanced > diet > > or if it's I > > just feel good about making healthy choices. > > 2. You'd be pretty hard-pressed to find a > vegetarian > > in USA, Uk, etc > > who is lacking in protein. There are so many > sources > > of nutritional > > protein that do not come from animals. Beans, > > lentils, tofu-based > > fake meats, etc are all wonderful sources of > protein > > and are actually > > much healthier than animal-based proteins b/c they > > do not contain > > cholesterol. > > 3. The most compelling information is that the > USDA > > is now agreeing > > with what many dieticians have been saying for a > > while now. > > Vegetarian diets are considered by the USDA as > being > > able to provide > > a healthy, well-balanced diet. Here is a USDA link > > with a wealth of > > info and resources: > > > http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/pubs/bibs/gen/vegetarian.htm > > > > I think many people feel the need to rationalize > > eating meat by > > thinking that one must eat meat in order to be > > healthy. Thus, they > > are 'concerned' that you may be unhealthy by > > abstaining from meat. > > Personally, I think it's really hard for my mom to > > forgo being > > concerned about me, my diet, etc. I think it's > kinda > > hard-wired that > > mothers be concerned about properly feeding their > > children and > > difficult to ever release such motherly > > callings...even if what she > > considers to be healthy isn't necessarily so. > > > > karen > > , > > " starrynght23 > > <wonderwoman817> " <wonderwoman817> > wrote: > > > my family is extremly opposed to a vegetarian > diet > > (they are like > > the > > > family in my big fat greek wedding but italian) > > anyway, they think > > it > > > isn't healthy when it comes to vitamins, etc. > does > > anyone recommend > > a > > > vitamin supplement or anything that you may > take? > > just curious? > > > thx, amy > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2003 Report Share Posted January 8, 2003 *****Ron wrote... >>...doctors don't know their a__ from a hole in the ground when it comes to health. They are experts at making money.<< Hmmm, I remind you of Andrew Weil, M.D., Nicholas Perricone, M.D., and John McDougall, M.D. to name just a few who are exceptions to your comment. Granted, most others are not in their class yet... " the times, they are a-changing. " Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2003 Report Share Posted January 8, 2003 I must go to the OB's defense. After being and OB/GYN nurse for 15 or so years, there are some good ones out there. I ended finding a very supportive OB who allowed me to direct my care and delivery. He gave me feedback as needed. He is not only a fine doctor, but a wonderful human being. If you haven't found the one you like - keep looking. There may not be many - but there are good ones out there. Allison Nations <allyanne2001 wrote: Exactly!! Especially OB's...(of course, I'm biasedbeing a student midwife and all).Warmly,Allison--- Ron McClure <rlmftw wrote:> My only response is that doctors don't know their> a__> from a hole in the ground when it comes to health. > They are experts at making money.> > Ron> --- Gail Shirley <gailalice2000 wrote:> > > > Hello Everyone:> > My name is Gail. I am a Registered Nurse and have> > been a vegetarian for about 10 years. I stopped> > eating meat when I started working in the> operating> > room. I loved my job - but it turned me off from> > eating meat. I went to a local health food store> > who had cooking lessons and learned all that I> > could. I wanted to make sure my children, who> were> > young at the time, got all they needed. > > I wanted to shared a story about my Obstetrician. > > On my first visit (this happened 6 years ago) I> told> > him I was a vegetarian. His response was to pull> > his glasses down to the tip of his nose, look at> me> > over the top of his glasses while pointing his> > finger at me and said, 'YOU BETTER START EATING> SOME> > MEAT IF YOU WANT YOUR BABY TO GROW RIGHT". Lucky> > for me that I was well-informed. So I pulled my> > glasses down to the tip of my nose, look over at> him> > pointing my finger in his direction and said, 'YOU> > NEED TO BUY A GOOD NUTRITION BOOK AND START> > STUDYING; DO I LOOK MALNOURISHED?" I then went> and> > found myself a new Obstetrician.> > My weight dilemma is that I "crave sweets". I eat> > well-balanced otherwise. Does anyone have any> ideas> > to feed the sweet craving with eating all the> stuff> > I shouldn't?> > Thanks,> > Gail> > "bluetulipz <bluetulipz"> > <bluetulipz wrote:I use to get this all> > the time, especially from my mom. She'd say > > things like, you at least need to eat some chicken> > or fish or > > something. I would always ask why and her typical> > response was always > > something just like "you just should". After> > confronting her with > > recent information she has very little ammo in> this> > arena and have > > yet to here a peep out of her, about my eating> > habits at least > > 1. A vegetarian does not have to take vitamins to> > stay healthy. I > > personally think it's a good idea if everyone> > (non-veggies included) > > takes them. I prefer Michael's One a Day, but I go> > through stages of > > taking a vegetarian multi-vitamin everyday and> then> > won't for a > > while. I just forget or whatever and it never> seems> > to really affect > > my health. I feel the best when I am making a> > conscious effort to be > > aware of my intake of protein, veggies, fruits,> etc.> > Although I don't > > know if this is a result of intaking a balanced> diet> > or if it's I > > just feel good about making healthy choices.> > 2. You'd be pretty hard-pressed to find a> vegetarian> > in USA, Uk, etc > > who is lacking in protein. There are so many> sources> > of nutritional > > protein that do not come from animals. Beans,> > lentils, tofu-based > > fake meats, etc are all wonderful sources of> protein> > and are actually > > much healthier than animal-based proteins b/c they> > do not contain > > cholesterol.> > 3. The most compelling information is that the> USDA> > is now agreeing > > with what many dieticians have been saying for a> > while now. > > Vegetarian diets are considered by the USDA as> being> > able to provide > > a healthy, well-balanced diet. Here is a USDA link> > with a wealth of > > info and resources:> >>http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/pubs/bibs/gen/vegetarian.htm> > > > I think many people feel the need to rationalize> > eating meat by > > thinking that one must eat meat in order to be> > healthy. Thus, they > > are 'concerned' that you may be unhealthy by> > abstaining from meat. > > Personally, I think it's really hard for my mom to> > forgo being > > concerned about me, my diet, etc. I think it's> kinda> > hard-wired that > > mothers be concerned about properly feeding their> > children and > > difficult to ever release such motherly> > callings...even if what she > > considers to be healthy isn't necessarily so.> > > > karen > > ,> > "starrynght23 > > <wonderwoman817>" <wonderwoman817>> wrote:> > > my family is extremly opposed to a vegetarian> diet> > (they are like > > the > > > family in my big fat greek wedding but italian)> > anyway, they think > > it > > > isn't healthy when it comes to vitamins, etc.> does> > anyone recommend > > a > > > vitamin supplement or anything that you may> take? > > just curious? > > > thx, amy> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2003 Report Share Posted January 8, 2003 I agree...As with any group of people, you have those that are different. They are few and far between in the world of hospital based obstetrics but they do exist:) Fortunately for me all my birthing is behind me and I was able to birth at home. I just use my midwife for all my well woman care physicals as well. I'd be happy if I never had to see an OBGYN again. And since I'm healthy, I may not. Warmly, Allison --- Gail Shirley <gailalice2000 wrote: > > I must go to the OB's defense. After being and > OB/GYN nurse for 15 or so years, there are some good > ones out there. I ended finding a very supportive > OB who allowed me to direct my care and delivery. > He gave me feedback as needed. He is not only a > fine doctor, but a wonderful human being. If you > haven't found the one you like - keep looking. > There may not be many - but there are good ones out > there. > Allison Nations <allyanne2001 > wrote:Exactly!! Especially OB's...(of course, I'm > biased > being a student midwife and all). > > Warmly, > Allison > > --- Ron McClure <rlmftw wrote: > > My only response is that doctors don't know their > > a__ > > from a hole in the ground when it comes to health. > > > They are experts at making money. > > > > Ron > > --- Gail Shirley <gailalice2000 wrote: > > > > > > Hello Everyone: > > > My name is Gail. I am a Registered Nurse and > have > > > been a vegetarian for about 10 years. I stopped > > > eating meat when I started working in the > > operating > > > room. I loved my job - but it turned me off > from > > > eating meat. I went to a local health food > store > > > who had cooking lessons and learned all that I > > > could. I wanted to make sure my children, who > > were > > > young at the time, got all they needed. > > > I wanted to shared a story about my > Obstetrician. > > > On my first visit (this happened 6 years ago) I > > told > > > him I was a vegetarian. His response was to > pull > > > his glasses down to the tip of his nose, look at > > me > > > over the top of his glasses while pointing his > > > finger at me and said, 'YOU BETTER START EATING > > SOME > > > MEAT IF YOU WANT YOUR BABY TO GROW RIGHT " . > Lucky > > > for me that I was well-informed. So I pulled my > > > glasses down to the tip of my nose, look over at > > him > > > pointing my finger in his direction and said, > 'YOU > > > NEED TO BUY A GOOD NUTRITION BOOK AND START > > > STUDYING; DO I LOOK MALNOURISHED? " I then went > > and > > > found myself a new Obstetrician. > > > My weight dilemma is that I " crave sweets " . I > eat > > > well-balanced otherwise. Does anyone have any > > ideas > > > to feed the sweet craving with eating all the > > stuff > > > I shouldn't? > > > Thanks, > > > Gail > > > " bluetulipz <bluetulipz " > > > <bluetulipz wrote:I use to get this > all > > > the time, especially from my mom. She'd say > > > things like, you at least need to eat some > chicken > > > or fish or > > > something. I would always ask why and her > typical > > > response was always > > > something just like " you just should " . After > > > confronting her with > > > recent information she has very little ammo in > > this > > > arena and have > > > yet to here a peep out of her, about my eating > > > habits at least > > > 1. A vegetarian does not have to take vitamins > to > > > stay healthy. I > > > personally think it's a good idea if everyone > > > (non-veggies included) > > > takes them. I prefer Michael's One a Day, but I > go > > > through stages of > > > taking a vegetarian multi-vitamin everyday and > > then > > > won't for a > > > while. I just forget or whatever and it never > > seems > > > to really affect > > > my health. I feel the best when I am making a > > > conscious effort to be > > > aware of my intake of protein, veggies, fruits, > > etc. > > > Although I don't > > > know if this is a result of intaking a balanced > > diet > > > or if it's I > > > just feel good about making healthy choices. > > > 2. You'd be pretty hard-pressed to find a > > vegetarian > > > in USA, Uk, etc > > > who is lacking in protein. There are so many > > sources > > > of nutritional > > > protein that do not come from animals. Beans, > > > lentils, tofu-based > > > fake meats, etc are all wonderful sources of > > protein > > > and are actually > > > much healthier than animal-based proteins b/c > they > > > do not contain > > > cholesterol. > > > 3. The most compelling information is that the > > USDA > > > is now agreeing > > > with what many dieticians have been saying for a > > > while now. > > > Vegetarian diets are considered by the USDA as > > being > > > able to provide > > > a healthy, well-balanced diet. Here is a USDA > link > > > with a wealth of > > > info and resources: > > > > > > http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/pubs/bibs/gen/vegetarian.htm > > > > > > I think many people feel the need to rationalize > > > eating meat by > > > thinking that one must eat meat in order to be > > > healthy. Thus, they > > > are 'concerned' that you may be unhealthy by > > > abstaining from meat. > > > Personally, I think it's really hard for my mom > to > > > forgo being > > > concerned about me, my diet, etc. I think it's > > kinda > > > hard-wired that > > > mothers be concerned about properly feeding > their > > > children and > > > difficult to ever release such motherly > > > callings...even if what she > > > considers to be healthy isn't necessarily so. > > > > > > karen > > > , > > > " starrynght23 > > > <wonderwoman817> " <wonderwoman817> > > wrote: > > > > my family is extremly opposed to a vegetarian > > diet > > > (they are like > > > the > > > > family in my big fat greek wedding but > italian) > > > anyway, they think > > > it > > > > isn't healthy when it comes to vitamins, etc. > > does > > > anyone recommend > > > a > > > > vitamin supplement or anything that you may > > take? > > > just curious? > > > > thx, amy > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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