Guest guest Posted January 10, 2003 Report Share Posted January 10, 2003 > However, I am surrounded by people who > eat meat at almost every meal. So, no, Ron's eating habits didn't offend me > in the least. > I'm lucky - my husband and I are both vegetarian ;=) Ron's eating habits do offend *me* because he is insisting on telling us the 'good' healthy reasons for eating chicken. I thought I had joined a vegetarian list, and although I understand there may well be non-vegetarians on a vegetarian list they usually keep their meat eating habits to themselves ;=) I also have been a bit troubled this last couple of days to find flame messages authored by Ron in my inbox. Not a pleasant thing to wake up to or to sit down to at any time of day ;=) I have been ignoring these, but how can things change unless those who are offended or distressed indicate their feelings on the matter. I could of course take myself off the list, but this is a vegetarian list and I am truly a vegetarian. What may not be understood - or even appreciated - is that all vegetarians are not vegetarians for the sake of their health. It is a very healthy diet - and the vegan diet is pretty well acclaimed by sane nutritionists as the healthiest of all. I applaud that ;=) But some people have ethical, philosophical, religious, ecological, aesthetic - and probably a bunch of other reasons - for being vegetarian. Vegetarian lists are supposed to be safe sites for all vegetarians - we all get enough hassle from meat eaters in our lives without having to get hassled by an 'almost vegan' (another irritating point). A superior attitude - and, forgive me, that's what it sounded like from here - over preferring meat to pills sounds not only a hassle but positively subversive in a vegetarian group. And yes, it is offensive to me. best, pat --- PAT (In London, Ontario) Email List: townhounds- (townhounds/) Personal Email: SANTBROWN Personal Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " - Albert Schweitzer * " Don't be afraid. Just start the tape. " - Anne Rice * " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2003 Report Share Posted January 10, 2003 I do not think you could have voiced my opinion much better than that - I was trying to think of a polite way of doing it but with my being at work right now... didn't have time to do that You as well Dave, I agreed with much of your posts. I am offended by *anyone* in a veggie safe place telling me that meat is important to eat and that nutritional requirements cannot be filled by anything else when they in fact can. I hear that everyday in the "real world" and do not appreciate it here. I respect people who are meat eaters though many of my reasons for not eating it are ethical... after all I still love my parents, boyfriend and other people even though they do eat it. So bottom line... please try to discuss vegetables on this list and leave the animals alone... unless you got a new puppy of course please tell us all about them! Have a great day! Allison MurpheyAdministrative AssistantPlanned Parenthood of Western Pennsylvania(412) 434-8957 - Sant & Brown Friday, January 10, 2003 10:28 AM Re:Some thoughts / was B12 > However, I am surrounded by people who> eat meat at almost every meal. So, no, Ron's eating habits didn't offend me> in the least.>I'm lucky - my husband and I are both vegetarian ;=) Ron's eatinghabits do offend *me* because he is insisting on telling us the 'good'healthy reasons for eating chicken. I thought I had joined a vegetarianlist, and although I understand there may well be non-vegetarians on avegetarian list they usually keep their meat eating habits to themselves;=)I also have been a bit troubled this last couple of days to find flamemessages authored by Ron in my inbox. Not a pleasant thing to wake up toor to sit down to at any time of day ;=) I have been ignoring these, buthow can things change unless those who are offended or distressedindicate their feelings on the matter. I could of course take myself offthe list, but this is a vegetarian list and I am truly a vegetarian.What may not be understood - or even appreciated - is that allvegetarians are not vegetarians for the sake of their health. It is avery healthy diet - and the vegan diet is pretty well acclaimed by sanenutritionists as the healthiest of all. I applaud that ;=) But somepeople have ethical, philosophical, religious, ecological, aesthetic -and probably a bunch of other reasons - for being vegetarian. Vegetarianlists are supposed to be safe sites for all vegetarians - we all getenough hassle from meat eaters in our lives without having to gethassled by an 'almost vegan' (another irritating point). A superiorattitude - and, forgive me, that's what it sounded like from here - overpreferring meat to pills sounds not only a hassle but positivelysubversive in a vegetarian group. And yes, it is offensive to me.best,pat---PAT (In London, Ontario)Email List: townhounds- (townhounds/)Personal Email: SANTBROWNPersonal Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/----------*"Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, manwill not himself find peace." - Albert Schweitzer*"Don't be afraid. Just start the tape." - Anne Rice*"I don't do pawprints." -- Snoopy---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2003 Report Share Posted January 10, 2003 Pat, i have to agree with you here, i also do not want meat discussed here on a vegetarian list. I have asked Ron to consider more carefully what he posts so as not to offend. I also want to make it clear that if offensive messages are posted by anyone then their membership of the group will be in jeopardy. To repeat once again, the content of this group should be vegetarian slimming and health issues. I really hope you'll stay Pat, its good to have you here, and as the group is still " young " its just experiencing a few " teething " problems. Please stay, Laura (uk) , Sant & Brown <santbrown@l...> wrote: > > However, I am surrounded by people who > > eat meat at almost every meal. So, no, Ron's eating habits didn't offend me > > in the least. > > > I'm lucky - my husband and I are both vegetarian ;=) Ron's eating > habits do offend *me* because he is insisting on telling us the 'good' > healthy reasons for eating chicken. I thought I had joined a vegetarian > list, and although I understand there may well be non-vegetarians on a > vegetarian list they usually keep their meat eating habits to themselves > ;=) > > I also have been a bit troubled this last couple of days to find flame > messages authored by Ron in my inbox. Not a pleasant thing to wake up to > or to sit down to at any time of day ;=) I have been ignoring these, but > how can things change unless those who are offended or distressed > indicate their feelings on the matter. I could of course take myself off > the list, but this is a vegetarian list and I am truly a vegetarian. > > What may not be understood - or even appreciated - is that all > vegetarians are not vegetarians for the sake of their health. It is a > very healthy diet - and the vegan diet is pretty well acclaimed by sane > nutritionists as the healthiest of all. I applaud that ;=) But some > people have ethical, philosophical, religious, ecological, aesthetic - > and probably a bunch of other reasons - for being vegetarian. Vegetarian > lists are supposed to be safe sites for all vegetarians - we all get > enough hassle from meat eaters in our lives without having to get > hassled by an 'almost vegan' (another irritating point). A superior > attitude - and, forgive me, that's what it sounded like from here - over > preferring meat to pills sounds not only a hassle but positively > subversive in a vegetarian group. And yes, it is offensive to me. > > best, > pat > --- > PAT (In London, Ontario) > Email List: townhounds- > (townhounds/) > Personal Email: SANTBROWN@L... > Personal Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ > ---------- > * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man > will not himself find peace. " - Albert Schweitzer > * " Don't be afraid. Just start the tape. " - Anne Rice > * " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy > ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2003 Report Share Posted January 10, 2003 Hey, I'm with you guys ;=) This can be such a good list - let's make it work! Vegetarian slimming and health issues. Now where did I put my peanuts - whoops! ;=) best, pat -- PAT (In London, Ontario) Email List: townhounds- (townhounds/) Personal Email: SANTBROWN Personal Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " - Albert Schweitzer * " Don't be afraid. Just start the tape. " - Anne Rice * " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 Pat: If you are eating peanuts, that doesn't hurt me. I think it hurts you. Ron McClure --- Sant & Brown <santbrown wrote: > Hey, I'm with you guys ;=) This can be such a good > list - let's make it > work! Vegetarian slimming and health issues. > > Now where did I put my peanuts - whoops! ;=) > > best, > pat > > -- > PAT (In London, Ontario) > Email List: townhounds- > (townhounds/) > Personal Email: SANTBROWN > Personal Webpage: > http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ > ---------- > * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all > living things, man > will not himself find peace. " - Albert Schweitzer > * " Don't be afraid. Just start the tape. " - Anne Rice > * " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy > ---------- > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2003 Report Share Posted January 11, 2003 Hey there Ron, I am not allergic to peanuts, they were a non-animal product last time I checked, I have never used them as a concealed weapon, and I do not inhale them ;=) Besides, the smiley I used was to indicate an attempt at humour - something to lighten things up a little - you know ;=) ? best, pat > Pat: > > If you are eating peanuts, that doesn't hurt me. I > think it hurts you. > > Ron McClure > > > --- Sant & Brown wrote: > > Hey, I'm with you guys ;=) This can be such a good > > list - let's make it > > work! Vegetarian slimming and health issues. > > > > Now where did I put my peanuts - whoops! ;=) > > > > best, > > pat > > > PAT (In London, Ontario) Email List: townhounds- (townhounds/) Personal Email: SANTBROWN Personal Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " - Albert Schweitzer * " Don't be afraid. Just start the tape. " - Anne Rice * " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2003 Report Share Posted January 12, 2003 Well, I don't have a new puppy, but I did get another kitty! In December, my uncle was at a bar, and the poor little guy was abandoned there. He brought him home, gave us a call, and...I'm so glad he did! He is the sweetest little guy ever! He looks just like the cat on "Milo and Otis", so his name is Milo. Anytime you touch him or play with him, he starts purring extremely loud, and when he's tired, he finds me and plops down and starts purring. He has decided I'm his bed! lol. My brother said when my mom and I aren't home, he sits outside my brother's door and cries. He hates being alone. ~Sara So bottom line... please try to discuss vegetables on this list and leave the animals alone... unless you got a new puppy of course please tell us all about them! Entertainment-World/ TRL-artists-picsNfun/ TheWB-Chat/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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