Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 " Vegetables Without Vitamins " " Imagine the surprise of going online and discovering that the vitamin and mineral content of vegetables has drastically dropped. That's what happened to nutritionist, Alex Jack, when... " Here's the link to the full article: http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2001/mar2001_report_vegetables.html I've been a member of this organization for several years. Their info is top-notch with lots of references to the medical/research literature, so check out other topics/ issues/ things of interest to you. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Very good read. Thank you for posting. A Jeopardy answer I found interesting the other night was the number one vegetable source Americans get their Vitamin C from? Potatoes. Made sense, with all the fried, baked and mashed potatoes people consume. Too bad potatoes aren't loaded with more vitamins or the big American population would be healthier. Warmly, Allison --- daveo <daveo wrote: > > " Vegetables Without Vitamins " Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Wow is right, Dave. I recall _The Globe and Mail_ (Canada) ran a series of articles on nutrition late last year including a report on the comparative value of veggies now compared to some twenty or thirty years ago (I forget details). I thought I had saved it - but it seems to have been recycled. Sooooo, isn't it a good thing that as vegetarians we eat whole buckets of all these veggies rather than the piddling little servings that omnivores seem to eat by comparison? Another great step forward for vegetarianism and for compassion to animals! But - what *can* be done to halt this shocking trend! best, pat -- PAT (In London, Ontario) Email List: townhounds- (townhounds/) Personal Email: SANTBROWN Personal Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " - Albert Schweitzer * " Don't be afraid. Just start the tape. " - Anne Rice * " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 >Allison Murphey: >That is a VERY interesting article... thank you so much for sharing >it with us! It will not keep me from being a veggie though! I have a >big question though for if anyone on this list knows.... where >exactly do they get all of the vitamins and minerals etc in a >supplement from. My first thought would be from vegetables and lab >copies of them but I guess my fear of taking a supplement has always >been if they get for example calcium from milk products etc... I >don't want to get my calcium from those sources personally. Does >anyone know how a supplement is made exactly? It's not that I don't >trust them to work because I do trust that but I just don't want to >exploit animals in the process. calcium is a mineral found naturally in the earth. The calcium in supplements is usually calcium carbonate, a substance commonly referred to as " chalk. " I take an inexpensive multivitamin supplement formulated for seniors. I am *extremely* confident that the constituents came straight out of a chemistry lab. Is it complete or sufficient? I sincerely doubt it. However, I'd be pretty pissed if I had to subsist on onions, tomatoes and iceberg lettuce as my only vegetables in the course of a day. I had already begun to suspect that the vegetables from the grocery store were not as nutrient-rich as they once were. If you buy produce from a local farmer's market you can taste the difference, big time. There is just no comparison. Meanwhile you hear quiet little reports about how the topsoil is getting more and more depleted and how much harder it is today to get a good yield. Do we think that exhausted topsoil and vitamin-poor vegetables are related? Inquiring minds are deeply suspicious. People are pretty hard on modern agribusiness. The problem is that there are 300 million mouths to feed in this country alone. We have to drag a lot of food out of the ground to feed those people. In China before the widespread use of chemical fertilizers, every scrap of human and animal waste and every scrap of compost was used as fertilizer. And yet they could not grow enough food to feed themselves regularly. China is still a very poor country, but famine is a thing from the horrible past and that is because of those nasty chemical fertilizers that will probably end up destroying the environment. Obviously we need a lot less research in to phony appearance and whether or not it will ship well and a lot more into agricultural sustainability. And to refocus on the list topic: 9 servings of fruits and vegetables a day? Whoo-hoo! that may take care of my hunger fears! :-) Susan -- --------- Please visit my website: http://members.cox.net/sbcogan Also, check out an excerpt of " Jubilee, " which will be published in the next few months: http://members.cox.net/sbcogan/writing.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 >calcium is a mineral found naturally in the earth. The calcium in >supplements is usually calcium carbonate, a substance commonly >referred to as "chalk.">I take an inexpensive multivitamin supplement formulated for seniors. >I am *extremely* confident that the constituents came straight out of >a chemistry lab. Well that explains the calcuim, but what about some of the others.. vitamin A for example. I know much about nutrition, not a thing really about suppliments... never really of interest to me before. >People are pretty hard on modern agribusiness. The problem is that >there are 300 million mouths to feed in this country alone. We have >to drag a lot of food out of the ground to feed those people. Of course the fact that it takes sooo much more out of the ground to feed animals that are to be consumed as food doesn't help anything at all. when you look at how much vegitation goes into feeding a cow and then how many the cow feeds verses what the amount that the cow ate would feed the numbers are shocking. >And to refocus on the list topic: 9 servings of fruits and vegetables >a day? Whoo-hoo! that may take care of my hunger fears! Wouldn't it be just 10 times better if they had come out aying that instead of the nutrients being depleted by half, it was the calories instead!!!! I know veggies are low already but god it would be nice wouldn't it?! Allison MurpheyAdministrative AssistantPlanned Parenthood of Western Pennsylvania(412) 434-8957- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 > Wouldn't it be just 10 times better if they had come out aying that > instead of the nutrients being depleted by half, it was the > calories instead!!!! I know veggies are low already but god it > would be nice wouldn't it?! > Dream on. Sighhhhhhh. best, pat -- PAT (In London, Ontario) Email List: townhounds- (townhounds/) Personal Email: SANTBROWN Personal Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " - Albert Schweitzer * " Don't be afraid. Just start the tape. " - Anne Rice * " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 > People are pretty hard on modern agribusiness. The problem is that > there are 300 million mouths to feed in this country alone. We have > to drag a lot of food out of the ground to feed those people. > Actually, a lot of that food out of the ground goes to the feed lots - not a good use of vegetable resources. We'd have plenty of food if we didn't fatten up cattle and other animals on vegetable (and animal, I know) products but ate less or no meat and more vegetable produce. Another good reason to feel good for being a vegetarian - as if you or we needed one ;=) best, pat - in canada -- PAT (In London, Ontario) Email List: townhounds- (townhounds/) Personal Email: SANTBROWN Personal Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " - Albert Schweitzer * " Don't be afraid. Just start the tape. " - Anne Rice * " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 , Susan Cogan <susan- brassfield@o...> wrote: > Meanwhile you hear quiet little reports > about how the topsoil is getting more and more depleted and how much > harder it is today to get a good yield. Do we think that exhausted > topsoil and vitamin-poor vegetables are related? Inquiring minds are > deeply suspicious. I once read that on an acre of land, you could feed something like 8 times more vegetarians than meat eaters. Cattle etc take up so much land and do not feed as many people as, say, a field full of wheat. Another good reason to be a veggie. Also cattle destroy topsoil with their grazing, and take up so much land. But because they are more financially viable to farm, people farm them instead of agricultural crops. They are supposed to rotate arable crops to leave a field barren so the soil can rest and renew itself, but the field left barren may have just had cows on it, and so will be in a terrible state and may not be very nutrient rich, even after a year! Thats enough of a rant for me, sorry guys, Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Allison wrote: > >calcium is a mineral found naturally in the earth. The calcium in > >supplements is usually calcium carbonate, a substance commonly > >referred to as " chalk. " > > >I take an inexpensive multivitamin supplement formulated for seniors. > >I am *extremely* confident that the constituents came straight out of > >a chemistry lab. > >Well that explains the calcuim, but what about some of the others.. >vitamin A for example. I know much about nutrition, not a thing >really about suppliments... never really of interest to me before. well, all those things are just chemicals. The chemicals are in the environment and the soil and plants extract them from the soil and sort of " package " them so our bodies can use them. Chemists cut out the middle man, er, plant. The problem with popping a One-A-Day and then only eating pizza and hamburgers, is that some of those chemicals can only be absorbed in the presence of *other* chemicals. Most of that is pretty well understood, but not entirely. Even if you take a good vitamin you *still* need to eat a wide variety of good, natural, high-fiber food. > >People are pretty hard on modern agribusiness. The problem is that > >there are 300 million mouths to feed in this country alone. We have > >to drag a lot of food out of the ground to feed those people. > >Of course the fact that it takes sooo much more out of the ground to >feed animals that are to be consumed as food doesn't help anything >at all. when you look at how much vegitation goes into feeding a cow >and then how many the cow feeds verses what the amount that the cow >ate would feed the numbers are shocking. oh, don't get me started!!! Agribusiness is hard on the environment, but it's positively utopian compared to meat production. It's filthy and destructive and produces a unhealthy, expensive food that only a wealthy few can afford. With 35,000 children dying of starvation every day, it matters what we eat and how that food is produced. Susan -- --------- Please visit my website: http://members.cox.net/sbcogan Also, check out an excerpt of " Jubilee, " which will be published in the next few months: http://members.cox.net/sbcogan/writing.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Amen to that! If I weren't a vegetarian for ethical reasons - as in not wanting to eat fellow critters - this argument would certainly have made me into one. It's another good reason - and there are so many! best, pat > oh, don't get me started!!! Agribusiness is hard on the environment, > but it's positively utopian compared to meat production. It's filthy > and destructive and produces a unhealthy, expensive food that only a > wealthy few can afford. With 35,000 children dying of starvation > every day, it matters what we eat and how that food is produced. > -- PAT (In London, Ontario) Email List: townhounds- (townhounds/) Personal Email: SANTBROWN Personal Webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " - Albert Schweitzer * " Don't be afraid. Just start the tape. " - Anne Rice * " I don't do pawprints. " -- Snoopy ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Dave: Please remember that people who write for money will say what makes them money. The sugar industry might be one employer willing to hire writers like the guy who says that vegetables don't have vitamins. I try to remember that when I watch commercials on T.V., or even read articles in magazines, that the person in the ad is likely an actor, paid to say what he does, by someone who has a lot of money invested in the messages. Look at all the food producers out there who might have a vested interest in sabotaging vegetables! Even doctors these days are contributing misinformation to the mix to make sure that we are so confused that we need somebody to tell us how to eat. But I don't like doctors, and that's just my two cents worth. Ron McClure , " daveo " <daveo@m...> wrote: > > " Vegetables Without Vitamins " > > " Imagine the surprise of going online and discovering that the vitamin and > mineral content of vegetables has drastically dropped. > > That's what happened to nutritionist, Alex Jack, when... " > > Here's the link to the full article: > http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2001/mar2001_report_vegetables.html > > > I've been a member of this organization for several years. Their info is > top-notch with lots of references to the medical/research literature, so > check out other topics/ issues/ things of interest to you. > > Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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