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Hi Larry,

 

Glad to have you with us. I am new to the group as well, and have

only posted a couple of times, but hope to become more active with

the group.

 

I have enjoyed reading what folks cooked for Thanksgiving. I am the

only vegetarian in my household, and when I do the cooking, we all

eat vegetarian. My husband the carnivore cooked a turkey this year,

though; I always have mixed feelings on the Thanksgivings when he

does cook (some years I prepare the entire meal & there is no turkey

involved :-). He was sweet though, and made a really nice vegetarian

stuffing for me with carrots, onions, mushrooms, apples & apricots.

We also had some great squash, raw veggies, and skin-on mashed

potatoes. He is very respectful of my choice not to eat meat...he

just doesn't share my feelings.

 

With Christmas coming up, my sister just shared some news that I

thought was great. For many years, part of my contribution to the

family Christmas Eve gathering was Swedish meatballs. When I quit

cooking meat about 10 years ago, my sister took over the

responsibility to make the HUGE batch of meatballs. Last Christmas,

I decided to try a vegetarian version of Swedish meatballs, using

Gardenburger brand " meatballs " and the " gravy " recipe from the real

meatballs. I just made a small batch, thinking it would be nice for

my daughter-in-law, who is also a vegetarian, but other family

members were interested in trying them, and were pleasantly surprised

with how they tasted. My sister called the other day & said she is

planning to bring Gardenburger meatballs instead of the " real " ones

to our holiday gathering this year. Her daughter gave her a little

grief about it, but she just told her daughter if she didn't like the

meatball alternatives, she could eat lutefisk....that quieted her

down pretty quickly :-) Actually, most of the folks who tried them

last year really liked them, and won't mind the change at all.

 

Hoping everyone has a great week!

 

Sheri

 

, Sant & Brown

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Wow, Sheri that's great. What a way to impact your relatives! Last

Thanksgiving, we brought some meat alternatives so supplement our

meal over at a relative's house. I kind of forced my mom to try it

b/c of her cholesterol. She tried it and like it. Out of politeness,

I offered others at the table to try it. They snubbed their noses

like I was trying to get them to eat baked dog sh*t or something.

Sheesh.

 

karen :)

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> They snubbed their noses

> like I was trying to get them to eat baked dog sh*t or something.

 

Poor you! How very rude of them. Weeeeeelllll, now they know a little

bit how you feel when they offer you cooked dead animals.

 

I don't quite understand this business of meat-eaters refusing

vegetarian food containing tofu, seitan, tvp, tempeh, whatever, in place

of meat. People will eat the vegetables-only casserole from a meat-eater

(if they eat vegetables, and many people do so only under protest), be

condescendingly 'polite' about the vegetables-only casserole from a

vegetarian, and downright rude about a vegetable casserole containing

so-called fake meats.

 

I suspect it is several things working at once - and jump in and correct

me if you think I am wrong, because many of these things are generation-

and/or culture-specific. Here goes (at 07.20 on a snowy morning):

 

1. An 'us' against 'them' response - meat-eaters against the

crazies/others - even if individually each would/might be willing to try

the food and even enjoy it.

 

2. An unwillingness to try anything new - like a kid refusing some food

that looks/smells/feels 'yucky'.

 

3. A cultural refusal to 'break tradition' and acknowledge foods that

are non-traditional, especially at family dinners, even more especially

at holiday time. 'Eat what I eat or you aren't one of us' - related to

but not the same as no. 1 above.

 

4. A rejection of foods that could be associated with 'budget' foods

(meat replacements like beans and lentils, among the more 'traditional'

foods) - there are many people I know who *brag* (not just comment) that

their chilli con carne contains *no* beans.

 

5. A rejection of foods that are associated with other

cultures/nationalities/races - related to no. 1 and no. 3 above.

 

6. A genuine worry about unknown foods in case they contain items to

which the unwary might be allergic.

 

7. A ready-made excuse to be rude to or to pick at someone they've been

secretly dying to put down for a long time - especially in families.

 

Enuffff ;=) But boy oh boy do I have stories!!!

 

Best,

 

Pat

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* " The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of

animals as they now look upon the murder of men " - Leonardo da Vinci

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Hi Karen,

 

I really hadn't expected the other relatives to even be interested in

trying the Gardenburger meatballs....just wanted my daughter-in-law

to feel included, and I thought I, too, would enjoy being able to

have some version of our traditional Swedish meatballs. It just

happened.

 

I'm glad to hear your mom was open to trying the meat alternative;

sorry you had such a negative response from others at the table.

 

I have to admit to adding meat alternative to things like baked bean

hot dishes, etc... for family gatherings without announcing that it's

a substitute. I figure all my relatives know I don't cook meat, so

if I'm serving something that looks like meat, it's a fake, & they

can choose whether or not to have it. When I cook for other

gatherings, I do let folks know, as some people cannot have soy.

 

I am really fortunate that both my family and my husband's family

have been very accomodating for me concerning food. They are all

meat-eaters, and it did take a little time for them to adjust to the

changes I made (I was 40 years old when I quit eating meat, so they

had known me as a meat-eater for a LONG time). Family members are

great about making sure I have something to eat...both my family and

my husband's have gone out of their way to make veggie dishes for

me....vegetable lasagna along with their regular lasagna, an extra

pot of vegetarian chili, etc... in recent years. Most of my family

members are a little more adventurous and, mostly for health reasons,

have been interested in trying vegetarian alternatives. I don't

believe there will be any " converts " to vegetarianism in my family in

the near future :-), but I am glad there is open communication &

acceptance there.

 

There are two of us " oddballs " at my work, and some of the folks I

work with are quite curious and accepting; others much less so, but

I'm hoping they'll become more comfortable with time, & realize we're

not as strange as they think :-)

 

Sheri

 

, " bluetulipz "

<bluetulipz> wrote:

> Wow, Sheri that's great. What a way to impact your relatives! Last

> Thanksgiving, we brought some meat alternatives so supplement our

> meal over at a relative's house. I kind of forced my mom to try it

> b/c of her cholesterol. She tried it and like it. Out of

politeness,

> I offered others at the table to try it. They snubbed their noses

> like I was trying to get them to eat baked dog sh*t or something.

> Sheesh.

>

> karen :)

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> Most of my family members are a little more adventurous and, mostly for

health reasons,

> have been interested in trying vegetarian alternatives.

 

My dh, he tells me these days, originally started on a vegetarian diet

for health reasons ;=) Now he is outspoken for animal rights, against

animal cruelty, and for a meat-free diet for ethical reasons. Suits me

fine ;=) Of course, the fact is that it doesn't really matter *what*

reason one has for avoiding animal products - it still saves lives: the

animals' lives and our own lives through a healthy diet.

 

> I don't believe there will be any " converts " to vegetarianism in my family in

the near future :-)

 

But even *some* avoidance of meat saves some animal lives and also helps

family members' own health, after all, and that's great. Besides, you

never know!

 

Best,

Pat

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* " I will not let anyone walk through my mind with their dirty feet " - Gandhi

 

* " The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of

animals as they now look upon the murder of men " - Leonardo da Vinci

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Well said, all great points and i'm pretty sure that's the reasoning behind lots of omnivore actions. Sometimes i think that by someone NOT eating meat, it brings to their attention that that's not beef, it's a cow. It's not pork, it's a pig. We put a face to it. Maybe makes them feel like they are doing something wrong.

BTW... i'm new here. My name is Nikki and i live in Pensacola FL. Been a vegetarian for 9.5 years now. I have been a back-slider on occasion and ate fish though. And yes, fish is meat.. i'm not in denial.. lol! I joined this group because i am a major chow hound and need to lose weight. Hoping to find some good, filling recipes here.

peace

nikki

 

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Tuesday, December 02, 2003 6:37 AM

Re: Re: Welcome Larry....Holiday Food

> They snubbed their noses > like I was trying to get them to eat baked dog sh*t or something.Poor you! How very rude of them. Weeeeeelllll, now they know a littlebit how you feel when they offer you cooked dead animals.I don't quite understand this business of meat-eaters refusingvegetarian food containing tofu, seitan, tvp, tempeh, whatever, in placeof meat. People will eat the vegetables-only casserole from a meat-eater(if they eat vegetables, and many people do so only under protest), becondescendingly 'polite' about the vegetables-only casserole from avegetarian, and downright rude about a vegetable casserole containingso-called fake meats. I suspect it is several things working at once - and jump in and correctme if you think I am wrong, because many of these things are generation-and/or culture-specific. Here goes (at 07.20 on a snowy morning):1. An 'us' against 'them' response - meat-eaters against thecrazies/others - even if individually each would/might be willing to trythe food and even enjoy it.2. An unwillingness to try anything new - like a kid refusing some foodthat looks/smells/feels 'yucky'.3. A cultural refusal to 'break tradition' and acknowledge foods thatare non-traditional, especially at family dinners, even more especiallyat holiday time. 'Eat what I eat or you aren't one of us' - related tobut not the same as no. 1 above.4. A rejection of foods that could be associated with 'budget' foods(meat replacements like beans and lentils, among the more 'traditional'foods) - there are many people I know who *brag* (not just comment) thattheir chilli con carne contains *no* beans.5. A rejection of foods that are associated with othercultures/nationalities/races - related to no. 1 and no. 3 above.6. A genuine worry about unknown foods in case they contain items towhich the unwary might be allergic.7. A ready-made excuse to be rude to or to pick at someone they've beensecretly dying to put down for a long time - especially in families.Enuffff ;=) But boy oh boy do I have stories!!!Best,Pat-- SANTBROWNtownhounds/vegetarianslimming/HOMEPAGE: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/----------*"I will not let anyone walk through my mind with their dirty feet" - Gandhi* "The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder ofanimals as they now look upon the murder of men" - Leonardo da Vinci----------

 

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Hi Nikki,

 

Nice to have you on this list ;=) and you need to lose weight too?? How

about that (said she, guiltily licking her fingers and hoping the crumbs

won't show up on the email!) - me too. And there are people here with

great ideas for finding good recipes and other tips that should help you

out!

 

Me, I find that I'm a tad heavy on the carbs and on the cooking

oil/salad oil, so I try to cut back on those a bit as well as aiming for

smaller portions. There are lots of good recipes in our Files -

including a few that are really 'celebration' recipes rather than

slimming / weight-loss recipes. I figure we are all capable of sorting

out those from the rest and realizing that if something is loaded with,

say, cheese or nuts or sweet stuff then we would be wise to take a very

small portion of it ;=)

So check them out. I look forward to chatting with you on the list ;=)

 

Thanks for checking in! As for your comments on my post, I'm not sure

there is a whole lot of 'reasoning' out there in omnivore land - just

knee-jerk (and in many cases 'jerk' is the right word in both senses)

reactions ;=) But yes, I do think that our 'putting a face' to their

food (not ours) makes them feel awkward at least, possibly even guilty

for a moment - not very, though, or they'd stop after the first time

they met up with a vegetarian, and that rarely happens *lol*

 

Best,

 

Pat (one of yer moderators)

 

 

> Well said, all great points and i'm pretty sure that's the reasoning behind

lots of

> omnivore actions. Sometimes i think that by someone NOT eating meat, it brings

> to their attention that that's not beef, it's a cow. It's not pork, it's a

pig. We put

> a face to it. Maybe makes them feel like they are doing something wrong.

> BTW... i'm new here. My name is Nikki and i live in Pensacola FL. Been a

> vegetarian for 9.5 years now. I have been a back-slider on occasion and ate

fish

> though. And yes, fish is meat.. i'm not in denial.. lol! I joined this group

because i

> am a major chow hound and need to lose weight. Hoping to find some good,

> filling recipes here.

> peace

> nikki

 

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SANTBROWN

townhounds/

vegetarianslimming/

HOMEPAGE: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/

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* " The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of

animals as they now look upon the murder of men " - Leonardo da Vinci

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Hi Pat & Nikki,

 

I think you both have shared some great reasons why meat eaters may

choose not to try non meat meals. Something that wasn't mentioned is

that meat-eaters sometimes feel attacked or judged by vegetarians,

and defenses may just naturally go up, making them more likely to

decline trying an alternative to meat.

 

Nikki, it's good to meet you. I am new to the list as well, and

looking forward to getting to know everyone here better.

 

Sheri

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Oh you're right of course! But *are* we judgmental around others? I

kinda thought most of us were rather apologetic for our vegetarian

eating peculiarities, or, at most, matter-of-fact about it. Siggghhhh.

Oh dear. Can't deal with that possible guilt. They'll have to cope with

that on their own! *lol*

 

Best,

Pat

 

 

moondance3591 wrote:

>

> Hi Pat & Nikki,

>

> I think you both have shared some great reasons why meat eaters may

> choose not to try non meat meals. Something that wasn't mentioned is

> that meat-eaters sometimes feel attacked or judged by vegetarians,

> and defenses may just naturally go up, making them more likely to

> decline trying an alternative to meat.

>

> Nikki, it's good to meet you. I am new to the list as well, and

> looking forward to getting to know everyone here better.

>

> Sheri

 

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vegetarianslimming/

HOMEPAGE: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/

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* " I will not let anyone walk through my mind with their dirty feet " - Gandhi

 

* " The time will come when men such as I will look upon the murder of

animals as they now look upon the murder of men " - Leonardo da Vinci

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