low fat vs. low carb etc.

[Guest guest]

Even a low fat diet is not really a good nutritional plan, and any

diet that is not sound nutritional advice for life is doomed to have

temporary, and possibly harmful, effects. See:

 

http://www.supplecity.com/articles/diets/index.htm

 

for the arguments against a variety of " diets, " but the key is (and

it's the same in Fuhrman's book, though he uses a different

terminology: H=N/C) that it's not how much fat or how much

carbohydrate one eats, it's what kinds of fats and carbs one eats, and

whether they are in balance, and include protein in that mix too.

Neither high protein nor low protein is good for you. A balance of

good proteins, good (complex) carbs, and good (unsaturated) fats is

what will help your body help itself to lose weight, fight disease,

and generally stay healthy. Of course, exercise doesn't hurt either,

but one step at a time.

 

, " veggiehound "

<veggiehound> wrote:

>

> Ya said it before I did! ;=) Good. Yes of course, your advice is

good and far

> more coherent that mine was. Thank you!

>

> Best,

> Pat ;=)

>

> > And what's wrong with carbs? I've lost 75 pounds on a low-fat

diet not

> worrying about carbs (simple or complex) in the least. In fact, new

research

> shows that the only diets that people go on, loose weight and then

KEEP the

> weight off for 6 or more years are low-fat diets, not low carb. Read

> McDougall's stuff also. He makes good points about complex carbs

being a

> nessecity. If we were to watch our complex carbs, we would never

get the fruit

> and veggies that are recommended and needed by our bodies to function.

[Guest guest]

Hi -

You say:

 

> Even a low fat diet is not really a good nutritional plan, and any

> diet that is not sound nutritional advice for life is doomed to have

> temporary, and possibly harmful, effects. See:

>

> http://www.supplecity.com/articles/diets/index.htm

 

Yes, but when you say that you are quoting another diet guru, and this one

has a non-vegetarian commercial site dedicated, among other things, to

selling his products. Those are always suspect. If I were you, I'd find a good

vegetarian or vegan site. This man's recipes, for example, are outta site for

vegetarians, vegans and even for a lot of people who still eat me*t.

 

That said, I didn't for one minute (and it is my email to which you were

responding) suggest that nutrition should be overlooked - we all strive for a

balanced diet. I was merely mentioning to a member that carbohydrates were

not evil as such. Vegetarians and vegans need them - everyone needs them,

of course, but this is a veggie list, so I say 'vegetarians' because that's who

I'm

talking to here ;=) Cutting down on the usual amount of excess fat that many

of us have been in the habit of consuming - however it has happened - is a

useful way of cutting back on calories and therefore of losing weight in a

healthy way - as far as diet is concerned. Exercise helps too, and I assume we

are all doing what we can with that LOL

 

Seriously, Scott, I find the arguments on the site you mention to be doubtful at

the very least. Yes, we need unsaturated fat, yes we need complex

carbohydrates, and yes we need protein - but his idea of balance is suspect.

 

Definitely not for me - nor would I recommend it, I'm afraid.

 

Best,

 

Pat

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the link to the " diets " . What I do not understand, when I looked

at the low fat diet, is the lack of understanding. The author assumed that

those on low fat diets do it just to lose weight. I am on a vegetariain low fat

diet to avoid having to have my gall bladder removed. The person also assumed

the fat was so low that you do not get essential oils. I think that most of us

on low fat diets are very careful to get enough fats in order to keep our

neurologcial system, skin, and hair healthy. For example, I take coenzyme Q-10,

but it will not be absorbed if you do not take it with the meal during the day

with the most fat. In my diet, it is when I usually have some form of tofu,

which has an adequate amount of fat. The author did not mention it, but I

carefully avoid hydrogenated fats, such as those in cake mixes, most margarines

[not all], etc.

 

I am always amazed at how much more informed vegetarians are about nutrition

that the general population.

 

Happy Holidays

 

Kathleen

Eureka CA

 

veggiehound <veggiehound wrote:

 

Hi -

You say:

 

> Even a low fat diet is not really a good nutritional plan, and any

> diet that is not sound nutritional advice for life is doomed to have

> temporary, and possibly harmful, effects. See:

>

> http://www.supplecity.com/articles/diets/index.htm

 

Yes, but when you say that you are quoting another diet guru, and this one has a

non-vegetarian commercial site dedicated, among other

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

My first thought when I saw all that *fat* being proposed was for those of us

for

whom it is soooo unhealthy to consume excess (excess for us) fats - of any

kind - and for the one of us with gall bladder problems in particular ;=( Thanks

so much for writing in about this! More later ;=)

 

Best love to you all,

 

Pat

 

>The author assumed that those on low fat diets do it just to lose weight. I am

>on a vegetariain low fat diet to avoid having to have my gall bladder

removed. The person also assumed the fat was so low that you do not get

essential oils. I think that most of us on low fat diets are very careful to

get

enough fats in order to keep our neurologcial system, skin, and hair healthy.

[Guest guest]

I beg to differ on the low-fat diet. My way of eating is incredibly healthy. I

have had recent blood work done and it seems I'm pretty healthy - in all areas.

I am not a believer in Fuhrman's way of eating. So it stands to reason that we

probably will have differences on this issue. Low-fat is not NO fat. It is

limiting the amount of saturated fats one consumes. Their are healthy fats that

we need, however the American diet is by far too laden with saturated and

hydrogenated fats. Limiting the intake of both of these as well as other

unnecessary, unhealthy foods in our diets (i.e. processed foods) and eating a

well-balanced diet purposefully including foods that have the nutrients in them

that our bodies need seems to be the best - at least as far as I have learned.

 

God's Peace,

Gayle

 

-

Scott

Tuesday, December 14, 2004 1:54 PM

Re: low fat vs. low carb etc.

 

 

 

Even a low fat diet is not really a good nutritional plan, and any

diet that is not sound nutritional advice for life is doomed to have

temporary, and possibly harmful, effects. See:

 

http://www.supplecity.com/articles/diets/index.htm

 

for the arguments against a variety of " diets, " but the key is (and

it's the same in Fuhrman's book, though he uses a different

terminology: H=N/C) that it's not how much fat or how much

carbohydrate one eats, it's what kinds of fats and carbs one eats, and

whether they are in balance, and include protein in that mix too.

Neither high protein nor low protein is good for you. A balance of

good proteins, good (complex) carbs, and good (unsaturated) fats is

what will help your body help itself to lose weight, fight disease,

and generally stay healthy. Of course, exercise doesn't hurt either,

but one step at a time.

 

, " veggiehound "

<veggiehound> wrote:

>

> Ya said it before I did! ;=) Good. Yes of course, your advice is

good and far

> more coherent that mine was. Thank you!

>

> Best,

> Pat ;=)

>

> > And what's wrong with carbs? I've lost 75 pounds on a low-fat

diet not

> worrying about carbs (simple or complex) in the least. In fact, new

research

> shows that the only diets that people go on, loose weight and then

KEEP the

> weight off for 6 or more years are low-fat diets, not low carb. Read

> McDougall's stuff also. He makes good points about complex carbs

being a

> nessecity. If we were to watch our complex carbs, we would never

get the fruit

> and veggies that are recommended and needed by our bodies to function.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Now it's my turn to say, " I couldn't have said it better! " LOL

 

God's Peace,

Gayle

-

veggiehound

Tuesday, December 14, 2004 4:59 PM

Re: low fat vs. low carb etc.

 

 

 

Hi -

You say:

 

> Even a low fat diet is not really a good nutritional plan, and any

> diet that is not sound nutritional advice for life is doomed to have

> temporary, and possibly harmful, effects. See:

>

> http://www.supplecity.com/articles/diets/index.htm

 

Yes, but when you say that you are quoting another diet guru, and this one

has a non-vegetarian commercial site dedicated, among other things, to

selling his products. Those are always suspect. If I were you, I'd find a good

vegetarian or vegan site. This man's recipes, for example, are outta site for

vegetarians, vegans and even for a lot of people who still eat me*t.

 

That said, I didn't for one minute (and it is my email to which you were

responding) suggest that nutrition should be overlooked - we all strive for a

balanced diet. I was merely mentioning to a member that carbohydrates were

not evil as such. Vegetarians and vegans need them - everyone needs them,

of course, but this is a veggie list, so I say 'vegetarians' because that's

who I'm

talking to here ;=) Cutting down on the usual amount of excess fat that many

of us have been in the habit of consuming - however it has happened - is a

useful way of cutting back on calories and therefore of losing weight in a

healthy way - as far as diet is concerned. Exercise helps too, and I assume we

are all doing what we can with that LOL

 

Seriously, Scott, I find the arguments on the site you mention to be doubtful

at

the very least. Yes, we need unsaturated fat, yes we need complex

carbohydrates, and yes we need protein - but his idea of balance is suspect.

 

Definitely not for me - nor would I recommend it, I'm afraid.

 

Best,

 

Pat

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> I beg to differ on the low-fat diet. My way of eating is incredibly healthy.

I

have had recent blood work done and it seems I'm pretty healthy - in all areas.

 

Yes, I think most of us are with you on this one! This is after all a list for

low-fat,

as the description on the webpage has always said ;=) - not for no-fat nor for

promoting larger amounts of fat. There are other lists that do that - and of

course there are always books and theories to support them. You're healthy

on this way of eating and that's proof enough that's it's not unhealthy! ;=)

 

Here we try - oh yeah, we really try!! LOL - to give support for a *healthy*

vegetarian way of eating and, if needed, eating to lose weight in that healthy

manner. Of course, any *healthy* diet tips are always appreciated!!!

 

And it's good to hear from members like you who reinforce the ideas we all

seem to share. Thanks!

 

Pat