Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 I am anemic and some of my other levels are low so my doctor suggested I go to the vitamin store to pick up a good multivitamin. I settled on a vegetarian whole foods based vitamin/mineral supplement. The lady at the counter said her husband is also a vegetarian, but drinks milk because he knows that - get this - cows won't give milk unless they are happy. I said - yah that's a nice theory - and she said that no, she knew it was a fact because she used to own a dairy. The cows really won't give their milk unless they are happy. I didn't even know what to say. What like all those dairy cows are skipping around the farm clicking their hooves in joy? Is there any grain of truth in this? Can cows refuse to give milk if they are unhappy? It seems ridiculous to me but just thought i'd ask. ~~Morgan~~ Gabrielle and Faith's momma Pro-Life, Christian, Vegetarian I will speak up for the little ones www.fatspider.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Not only is it ridiculous, but shame on her for working at a health food store, and being so ignorant!!, which shows me once again the sad state of nutritional advice in this country!!! Morgan <baby.gabrielle wrote:I am anemic and some of my other levels are low so my doctor suggested I go to the vitamin store to pick up a good multivitamin. I settled on a vegetarian whole foods based vitamin/mineral supplement. The lady at the counter said her husband is also a vegetarian, but drinks milk because he knows that - get this - cows won't give milk unless they are happy. I said - yah that's a nice theory - and she said that no, she knew it was a fact because she used to own a dairy. The cows really won't give their milk unless they are happy. I didn't even know what to say. What like all those dairy cows are skipping around the farm clicking their hooves in joy? Is there any grain of truth in this? Can cows refuse to give milk if they are unhappy? It seems ridiculous to me but just thought i'd ask. ~~Morgan~~ Gabrielle and Faith's momma Pro-Life, Christian, Vegetarian I will speak up for the little ones www.fatspider.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 I totally agree - i wanted to say - well if that's what you have to tell yourself to make it ok for you to drink it... Just doesn't fly with me tho ~~Morgan~~ Gabrielle and Faith's momma Pro-Life, Christian, Vegetarian I will speak up for the little ones www.fatspider.com - Mark Jackson Tuesday, December 14, 2004 3:38 PM Re: What a line/dairy question Not only is it ridiculous, but shame on her for working at a health food store, and being so ignorant!!, which shows me once again the sad state of nutritional advice in this country!!! Morgan <baby.gabrielle wrote:I am anemic and some of my other levels are low so my doctor suggested I go to the vitamin store to pick up a good multivitamin. I settled on a vegetarian whole foods based vitamin/mineral supplement. The lady at the counter said her husband is also a vegetarian, but drinks milk because he knows that - get this - cows won't give milk unless they are happy. I said - yah that's a nice theory - and she said that no, she knew it was a fact because she used to own a dairy. The cows really won't give their milk unless they are happy. I didn't even know what to say. What like all those dairy cows are skipping around the farm clicking their hooves in joy? Is there any grain of truth in this? Can cows refuse to give milk if they are unhappy? It seems ridiculous to me but just thought i'd ask. ~~Morgan~~ Gabrielle and Faith's momma Pro-Life, Christian, Vegetarian I will speak up for the little ones www.fatspider.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 I am horrified that the person in the health food store was that ignorant. First of all, milk is quite low in iron, so the reason Morgan went into the store was definitely not addressed. Second, I live in dairy country. They breed dairy cows to force them to lactate. Then they take the babies aways from them at birth--they call them " drop calves " . Since I live in a dairy area, I have heard the " drop calves " being brought to market to be sold off. They go down the main street of our city screaming for their mothers. I am sure the mothers are no happier--they are down on that " happy " farm. I still eat small amounts dairy, but this still bothers me. I try to buy organic milk products [nonfat milk and nonfat yoghurt] since those producers do treat their animals slightly better. I used to work with a woman who owned organically raised dairy cows in our area. Kathleen Eureka, Humboldt County, California Morgan <baby.gabrielle wrote: I am anemic and some of my other levels are low so my doctor suggested I go to the vitamin store to pick up a good multivitamin. I settled on a vegetarian whole foods based vitamin/mineral supplement. The lady at the counter said her husband is also a vegetarian, but drinks milk because he knows that - get this - cows won't give milk unless they are happy. I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Milk can actually promote anemia. Large quantities of milk can be irritating to the stomach and thus cause bleeding. Just a few facts on iron and iron absorption!! It is the acidity of the stomach which promotes iron absorption in the intestines. If the stomach is not acidic enough then adequate amounts of iron are not absorbed in the intestines. People who take alot of antacids because their diet is so poor can have problems. In healthy people the intestines control the amount of iron that's absorbed. The body increases its rate of iron absorption if reserves are low, and when the body becomes saturated with iron, the rate of absorption decreases. If the intestines do not, or cannot properly perform this regulatory function,as can happen from excessive and prolonged alcohol intake, the body can absorb toxic quantities. A good food to eat which is extremely high in iron is sunflower seeds. Sunflower seeds should always be eaten raw as roasting them, with there large quantity of oil can be toxic to the system. , Kathleen Pelley <kmpelley> wrote: > I am horrified that the person in the health food store was that ignorant. > > First of all, milk is quite low in iron, so the reason Morgan went into the store was definitely not addressed. > > Second, I live in dairy country. They breed dairy cows to force them to lactate. Then they take the babies aways from them at birth- -they call them " drop calves " . Since I live in a dairy area, I have heard the " drop calves " being brought to market to be sold off. They go down the main street of our city screaming for their mothers. I am sure the mothers are no happier--they are down on that " happy " farm. > > I still eat small amounts dairy, but this still bothers me. I try to buy organic milk products [nonfat milk and nonfat yoghurt] since those producers do treat their animals slightly better. I used to work with a woman who owned organically raised dairy cows in our area. > > Kathleen > Eureka, Humboldt County, California > > Morgan <baby.gabrielle@v...> wrote: > I am anemic and some of my other levels are low so my doctor suggested I go to the vitamin store > to pick up a good multivitamin. I settled on a vegetarian whole foods based vitamin/mineral supplement. > The lady at the counter said her husband is also a vegetarian, but drinks milk because he knows that > - get this - cows won't give milk unless they are happy. I > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Thank you for this info! Just to clarify - the lady wasn't telling me to drink milk, but I think she was just trying to boost her image as a " veggie expert " because her husband is a lacto-vegetarian. I do not drink milk myself. I actually WAS a lacto- veggie until a few months ago when I developed an ulcer (i'm 26 - and very healthy so the doc attributed it to my taking a lot of motrin for a knee injury). My stomach feels much better as a vegan than it did as a lacto-veggie. I will go pick up some sunflower seeds today! Thanks ~~Morgan~~ Gabrielle and Faith's momma Pro-Life, Christian, Vegetarian I will speak up for the little ones www.fatspider.com - thesportsguru47 Wednesday, December 15, 2004 5:00 AM Re: What a line/dairy question Milk can actually promote anemia. Large quantities of milk can be irritating to the stomach and thus cause bleeding. Just a few facts on iron and iron absorption!! It is the acidity of the stomach which promotes iron absorption in the intestines. If the stomach is not acidic enough then adequate amounts of iron are not absorbed in the intestines. People who take alot of antacids because their diet is so poor can have problems. In healthy people the intestines control the amount of iron that's absorbed. The body increases its rate of iron absorption if reserves are low, and when the body becomes saturated with iron, the rate of absorption decreases. If the intestines do not, or cannot properly perform this regulatory function,as can happen from excessive and prolonged alcohol intake, the body can absorb toxic quantities. A good food to eat which is extremely high in iron is sunflower seeds. Sunflower seeds should always be eaten raw as roasting them, with there large quantity of oil can be toxic to the system. , Kathleen Pelley <kmpelley> wrote: > I am horrified that the person in the health food store was that ignorant. > > First of all, milk is quite low in iron, so the reason Morgan went into the store was definitely not addressed. > > Second, I live in dairy country. They breed dairy cows to force them to lactate. Then they take the babies aways from them at birth- -they call them " drop calves " . Since I live in a dairy area, I have heard the " drop calves " being brought to market to be sold off. They go down the main street of our city screaming for their mothers. I am sure the mothers are no happier--they are down on that " happy " farm. > > I still eat small amounts dairy, but this still bothers me. I try to buy organic milk products [nonfat milk and nonfat yoghurt] since those producers do treat their animals slightly better. I used to work with a woman who owned organically raised dairy cows in our area. > > Kathleen > Eureka, Humboldt County, California > > Morgan <baby.gabrielle@v...> wrote: > I am anemic and some of my other levels are low so my doctor suggested I go to the vitamin store > to pick up a good multivitamin. I settled on a vegetarian whole foods based vitamin/mineral supplement. > The lady at the counter said her husband is also a vegetarian, but drinks milk because he knows that > - get this - cows won't give milk unless they are happy. I > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 I understood that, thank you. You are welcome to join my site where I discuss how to eat to stay healthy and become younger. It is called oddly enough.....becomingyounger. Oh a great dip by the way is mixing ground up sunflower seeds with fresh home made salsa. A great way to eat sunflower seeds. I like it anyway!! MARK Morgan <baby.gabrielle wrote:Thank you for this info! Just to clarify - the lady wasn't telling me to drink milk, but I think she was just trying to boost her image as a " veggie expert " because her husband is a lacto-vegetarian. I do not drink milk myself. I actually WAS a lacto- veggie until a few months ago when I developed an ulcer (i'm 26 - and very healthy so the doc attributed it to my taking a lot of motrin for a knee injury). My stomach feels much better as a vegan than it did as a lacto-veggie. I will go pick up some sunflower seeds today! Thanks ~~Morgan~~ Gabrielle and Faith's momma Pro-Life, Christian, Vegetarian I will speak up for the little ones www.fatspider.com - thesportsguru47 Wednesday, December 15, 2004 5:00 AM Re: What a line/dairy question Milk can actually promote anemia. Large quantities of milk can be irritating to the stomach and thus cause bleeding. Just a few facts on iron and iron absorption!! It is the acidity of the stomach which promotes iron absorption in the intestines. If the stomach is not acidic enough then adequate amounts of iron are not absorbed in the intestines. People who take alot of antacids because their diet is so poor can have problems. In healthy people the intestines control the amount of iron that's absorbed. The body increases its rate of iron absorption if reserves are low, and when the body becomes saturated with iron, the rate of absorption decreases. If the intestines do not, or cannot properly perform this regulatory function,as can happen from excessive and prolonged alcohol intake, the body can absorb toxic quantities. A good food to eat which is extremely high in iron is sunflower seeds. Sunflower seeds should always be eaten raw as roasting them, with there large quantity of oil can be toxic to the system. , Kathleen Pelley <kmpelley> wrote: > I am horrified that the person in the health food store was that ignorant. > > First of all, milk is quite low in iron, so the reason Morgan went into the store was definitely not addressed. > > Second, I live in dairy country. They breed dairy cows to force them to lactate. Then they take the babies aways from them at birth- -they call them " drop calves " . Since I live in a dairy area, I have heard the " drop calves " being brought to market to be sold off. They go down the main street of our city screaming for their mothers. I am sure the mothers are no happier--they are down on that " happy " farm. > > I still eat small amounts dairy, but this still bothers me. I try to buy organic milk products [nonfat milk and nonfat yoghurt] since those producers do treat their animals slightly better. I used to work with a woman who owned organically raised dairy cows in our area. > > Kathleen > Eureka, Humboldt County, California > > Morgan <baby.gabrielle@v...> wrote: > I am anemic and some of my other levels are low so my doctor suggested I go to the vitamin store > to pick up a good multivitamin. I settled on a vegetarian whole foods based vitamin/mineral supplement. > The lady at the counter said her husband is also a vegetarian, but drinks milk because he knows that > - get this - cows won't give milk unless they are happy. I > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2004 Report Share Posted December 16, 2004 Thanks - i would like to join - i will look it up. I am always interested in learning how to eat healthier! Nutrition is one of my biggest interests Thanks! ~~Morgan~~ Gabrielle and Faith's momma Pro-Life, Christian, Vegetarian I will speak up for the little ones www.fatspider.com - Mark Jackson Thursday, December 16, 2004 4:18 AM Re: Re: What a line/dairy question I understood that, thank you. You are welcome to join my site where I discuss how to eat to stay healthy and become younger. It is called oddly enough.....becomingyounger. Oh a great dip by the way is mixing ground up sunflower seeds with fresh home made salsa. A great way to eat sunflower seeds. I like it anyway!! MARK Morgan <baby.gabrielle wrote:Thank you for this info! Just to clarify - the lady wasn't telling me to drink milk, but I think she was just trying to boost her image as a " veggie expert " because her husband is a lacto-vegetarian. I do not drink milk myself. I actually WAS a lacto- veggie until a few months ago when I developed an ulcer (i'm 26 - and very healthy so the doc attributed it to my taking a lot of motrin for a knee injury). My stomach feels much better as a vegan than it did as a lacto-veggie. I will go pick up some sunflower seeds today! Thanks ~~Morgan~~ Gabrielle and Faith's momma Pro-Life, Christian, Vegetarian I will speak up for the little ones www.fatspider.com - thesportsguru47 Wednesday, December 15, 2004 5:00 AM Re: What a line/dairy question Milk can actually promote anemia. Large quantities of milk can be irritating to the stomach and thus cause bleeding. Just a few facts on iron and iron absorption!! It is the acidity of the stomach which promotes iron absorption in the intestines. If the stomach is not acidic enough then adequate amounts of iron are not absorbed in the intestines. People who take alot of antacids because their diet is so poor can have problems. In healthy people the intestines control the amount of iron that's absorbed. The body increases its rate of iron absorption if reserves are low, and when the body becomes saturated with iron, the rate of absorption decreases. If the intestines do not, or cannot properly perform this regulatory function,as can happen from excessive and prolonged alcohol intake, the body can absorb toxic quantities. A good food to eat which is extremely high in iron is sunflower seeds. Sunflower seeds should always be eaten raw as roasting them, with there large quantity of oil can be toxic to the system. , Kathleen Pelley <kmpelley> wrote: > I am horrified that the person in the health food store was that ignorant. > > First of all, milk is quite low in iron, so the reason Morgan went into the store was definitely not addressed. > > Second, I live in dairy country. They breed dairy cows to force them to lactate. Then they take the babies aways from them at birth- -they call them " drop calves " . Since I live in a dairy area, I have heard the " drop calves " being brought to market to be sold off. They go down the main street of our city screaming for their mothers. I am sure the mothers are no happier--they are down on that " happy " farm. > > I still eat small amounts dairy, but this still bothers me. I try to buy organic milk products [nonfat milk and nonfat yoghurt] since those producers do treat their animals slightly better. I used to work with a woman who owned organically raised dairy cows in our area. > > Kathleen > Eureka, Humboldt County, California > > Morgan <baby.gabrielle@v...> wrote: > I am anemic and some of my other levels are low so my doctor suggested I go to the vitamin store > to pick up a good multivitamin. I settled on a vegetarian whole foods based vitamin/mineral supplement. > The lady at the counter said her husband is also a vegetarian, but drinks milk because he knows that > - get this - cows won't give milk unless they are happy. I > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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