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Kirsten, here are some ideas for you:

 

1) There is a great cookbook, " Calciyum!: Delicious Calcium-Rich

Dairy-Free Vegetarian Recipes " by David Bronfman, Rachelle Bronfman

CalciYum.

 

2) You need to get magnesium with calcium to make it bioavailable.

 

3) Here is a list of some good vegetarian sources of calcium:

 

White/Wholemeal bread, Taco Shells, Oats

 

Soyabeans, Tofu, Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Pistachios, Sunflower Seeds

 

Sesame Seeds, Flax Seed, Carob

 

Beet Greens, Collards, Dandelion Greens, Mustard Greens, Spinach

 

Turnip Greens, Watercress, Broccoli, Carrots, Cabbage, Garlic, Parsley

 

Spirulina, Chives, Seaweed (Agar, Irishmoss, Kelp, Laver, Wakame),

Cauliflower, Okra, Cassava

 

Figs, Papaya, Rhubarb, Molasses

 

Azuki beans

Amaranth

Baked beans

Refried beans

Black beans

Black turtle beans

Burdock root

Butter beans

Butterbur (Fuki)

Chinese Cabbage (Pak Choi)

Cardoon

Chickpeas

Hummus

Chickory

Blackeyed peas

Cranberry beans

French beans

Great northern beans

Kale

Kidney beans

Lambsquarters

Lima beans

Lupins

Mung beans

Mungo beans

Navy beans

Pigeon peas

Pink beans

Pinto beans

Natto

Tempeh

Acorn squash

Butternut squash

White beans

Winged beans

Yellow beans

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Very helpful, l thank you so much for doing this research for me.

 

 

 

Kirsten

 

 

 

 

Maidawg [maidawg]

Monday, January 24, 2005 11:05 AM

 

RE: calcium question

 

 

 

Kirsten, here are some ideas for you:

 

1) There is a great cookbook, " Calciyum!: Delicious Calcium-Rich

Dairy-Free Vegetarian Recipes " by David Bronfman, Rachelle Bronfman

CalciYum.

 

2) You need to get magnesium with calcium to make it bioavailable.

 

3) Here is a list of some good vegetarian sources of calcium:

 

White/Wholemeal bread, Taco Shells, Oats

 

Soyabeans, Tofu, Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Pistachios, Sunflower Seeds

 

Sesame Seeds, Flax Seed, Carob

 

Beet Greens, Collards, Dandelion Greens, Mustard Greens, Spinach

 

Turnip Greens, Watercress, Broccoli, Carrots, Cabbage, Garlic, Parsley

 

Spirulina, Chives, Seaweed (Agar, Irishmoss, Kelp, Laver, Wakame),

Cauliflower, Okra, Cassava

 

Figs, Papaya, Rhubarb, Molasses

 

Azuki beans

Amaranth

Baked beans

Refried beans

Black beans

Black turtle beans

Burdock root

Butter beans

Butterbur (Fuki)

Chinese Cabbage (Pak Choi)

Cardoon

Chickpeas

Hummus

Chickory

Blackeyed peas

Cranberry beans

French beans

Great northern beans

Kale

Kidney beans

Lambsquarters

Lima beans

Lupins

Mung beans

Mungo beans

Navy beans

Pigeon peas

Pink beans

Pinto beans

Natto

Tempeh

Acorn squash

Butternut squash

White beans

Winged beans

Yellow beans

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Beth suggested supplementing with Tums. I don't think that will work,

in spite of the ads. Simply taking in calcium does not mean it gets

into your body in a usable form. For one thing, you need to take in

magnesium or the excess calcium just goes through your body and is

eliminated in your urine (darker color).

 

I don't even know whether the form of calcium in Tums is even

vegetarian,

 

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I just picked up a multi vitamin with magnesium and vitamin D to help me

with absorbsion. I still have a lot of research to do yet. This will be an

ongoing learning and adjustment phase. What do you think of Coral Calcium

with added Magnesium and vitamin D? I saw this at the store. I am

interested in where they get the coral.

 

 

 

 

 

Kirsten

 

 

 

 

Maidawg [maidawg]

Monday, January 24, 2005 11:51 AM

 

RE: calcium question

 

 

 

Beth suggested supplementing with Tums. I don't think that will work,

in spite of the ads. Simply taking in calcium does not mean it gets

into your body in a usable form. For one thing, you need to take in

magnesium or the excess calcium just goes through your body and is

eliminated in your urine (darker color).

 

I don't even know whether the form of calcium in Tums is even

vegetarian,

 

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Hi - just got on line because the electricians were here to do some work at the

crack of dawn this morning (for them - it was 8 o'clock) and have just left a

few

minutes ago.

 

I have just read the great calcium debate and was just about to jump in and

scream Magnesium Magnesium when I read this (and Maida's last about all

the wonderful vegan foods with calcium). I'm trying to remember - and I'll look

in the archives - but wasn't there recently, very recently, an article about

needing equal mg of magnesium with the calcium? <checking> Okay, it's

message no. 3304 in the archives and it says, in part:

 

>>Scientific studies show that for every

> > milligram of calcium your body absorbs from a

> > portion

> > of food, there must also be present one milligram of

> > magnesium. Otherwise, the excess calcium will remain

> > unabsorbed.

 

And this is *exactly* what Maida is saying too. Unfortunately, sometimes we

forget these things and think when we need calcium (and we do) that it is

calcium *only* that we should be taking - not calcium *plus* the only thing that

will let us use the calcium in our bodies. Tricky.

 

Okay, now that's two of us telling you LOL Okay??? So take the calcium in

whatever veg*n form you feel comfortable with, but also make sure you take *

an equal amount* of magnesium with it. Then you'll be just fine!

 

Best,

 

Pat ;=)

> Beth suggested supplementing with Tums. I don't think that will work,

> in spite of the ads. Simply taking in calcium does not mean it gets

> into your body in a usable form. For one thing, you need to take in

> magnesium or the excess calcium just goes through your body and is

> eliminated in your urine (darker color).

>

> I don't even know whether the form of calcium in Tums is even

> vegetarian,

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how about a snack of Tums & Mylanta? ;) Does calcium fortified OJ also have

magnesium, I wonder...

 

>>Scientific studies show that for every

> > milligram of calcium your body absorbs from a

> > portion

> > of food, there must also be present one milligram of

> > magnesium. Otherwise, the excess calcium will remain

> > unabsorbed.

 

 

 

 

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I've always had a problem with taking supplements unless its obvious that

Doc says you are deficient in a vitamin or mineral. And even then I have a

problem with knowing what a person is deficient in and chooses a pill over

eating foods high in the deficient vitamin or mineral. My Doc told me I was

borderline anemic, so I started growing greens in my garden and.... BAM.....

way enough iron now (eating liver just doesn't seem what I wanted to do :).

My approach.... is food taste so much better than man-made pills, and after

taking vitamins and minerals.... you could possibly just be ending up with

very expensive urine.

 

Cajun Logic...

:-)

Tom

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While I'm thinking on calcium, I've heard that cow's milk depletes calcium

from your system because the casein protein in milk causes an acid

condition in a humans stomach therefore the body attempts to neutralize it

by pulling calcium (an alkaline) from the bones and tissues. With the

result of just the opposite of what milk is advertised to produce... being

strong bones and teeth. Is there any truth to this line of thinking ?

 

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My doctor told me to go back to using my cast iron cookware.

 

 

 

Kirsten

 

 

 

 

Tom [tguidry]

Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:56 AM

 

RE: Re: calcium question

 

 

 

I've always had a problem with taking supplements unless its obvious that

Doc says you are deficient in a vitamin or mineral. And even then I have a

problem with knowing what a person is deficient in and chooses a pill over

eating foods high in the deficient vitamin or mineral. My Doc told me I was

borderline anemic, so I started growing greens in my garden and.... BAM.....

way enough iron now (eating liver just doesn't seem what I wanted to do :).

My approach.... is food taste so much better than man-made pills, and after

taking vitamins and minerals.... you could possibly just be ending up with

very expensive urine.

 

Cajun Logic...

:-)

Tom

 

 

 

 

 

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> I've always had a problem with taking supplements unless its obvious that

> Doc says you are deficient in a vitamin or mineral. And even then I have a

> problem with knowing what a person is deficient in and chooses a pill over

> eating foods high in the deficient vitamin or mineral.

 

I hear ya ;=) Sometimes, though, the Doc *does* say that and sometimes one

gets scared enough to take the prescribed/recommended supplements.

 

>My Doc told me I was

> borderline anemic, so I started growing greens in my garden and.... BAM.....

> way enough iron now (eating liver just doesn't seem what I wanted to do :).

 

One doc I had found out I didn't eat *red meat* - hah! no iron in the diet! so

I'd

have to take an iron tonic so that I wouldn't become anaemic. I wasn't

anaemic btw, she just thought it was inevitable. Of course, I ate iron-rich

veggies and never had a prob. She attributed it all to her good sense - I'm

afraid I let her think so. Good doctors are, after all, hard to find! LOL

> My approach.... is food taste so much better than man-made pills, and after

> taking vitamins and minerals.... you could possibly just be ending up with

> very expensive urine.

 

LOL love it!

 

> Cajun Logic...

> :-)

 

Can't argue with it! ;=)

 

Thanks a bunch!

 

Best,

 

Pat ;=)

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> My doctor told me to go back to using my cast iron cookware.

 

Maybe that's what's saved us from iron deficiency all these years! It's not that

we don't try to eat a healthy diet, it's just that we don't obsess about it. We

also

like to snack on raisins - my exception to my 'no sweets' habit. Of course, a

love of green veg helps a lot!

 

Best, Pat ;=)

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I am curious to know if your doctor mentioned Spinach, Kale, Chard, ... dark

green leafy vegetables to put in the cast iron skillet... which in fact has

no organic minerals for the body to actually absorb. (Ask him if its the

same as chewing nails :-)

 

Silly ole Cajun

Tom

 

 

Carousel Cheesecakes [cc1]

Tuesday, January 25, 2005 3:19 PM

 

RE: Re: calcium question

 

 

 

My doctor told me to go back to using my cast iron cookware.

 

 

 

Kirsten

 

 

 

 

Tom [tguidry]

Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:56 AM

 

RE: Re: calcium question

 

 

 

I've always had a problem with taking supplements unless its obvious that

Doc says you are deficient in a vitamin or mineral. And even then I have a

problem with knowing what a person is deficient in and chooses a pill over

eating foods high in the deficient vitamin or mineral. My Doc told me I was

borderline anemic, so I started growing greens in my garden and.... BAM.....

way enough iron now (eating liver just doesn't seem what I wanted to do :).

My approach.... is food taste so much better than man-made pills, and after

taking vitamins and minerals.... you could possibly just be ending up with

very expensive urine.

 

Cajun Logic...

:-)

Tom

 

 

 

 

 

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Actually my grandmother used to put rusty old nails in her tea. Of course

some studies believe the tannins in tea prevent the body from absorbing the

iron. Good grief. Why don't we just eat the foods we know are good for us

and let our bodies figure it out.

 

 

 

Kirsten

 

 

 

 

Tom [tguidry]

Tuesday, January 25, 2005 5:28 PM

 

RE: Re: calcium question

 

 

 

I am curious to know if your doctor mentioned Spinach, Kale, Chard, ... dark

green leafy vegetables to put in the cast iron skillet... which in fact has

no organic minerals for the body to actually absorb. (Ask him if its the

same as chewing nails :-)

 

Silly ole Cajun

Tom

 

 

Carousel Cheesecakes [cc1]

Tuesday, January 25, 2005 3:19 PM

 

RE: Re: calcium question

 

 

 

My doctor told me to go back to using my cast iron cookware.

 

 

 

Kirsten

 

 

 

 

Tom [tguidry]

Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:56 AM

 

RE: Re: calcium question

 

 

 

I've always had a problem with taking supplements unless its obvious that

Doc says you are deficient in a vitamin or mineral. And even then I have a

problem with knowing what a person is deficient in and chooses a pill over

eating foods high in the deficient vitamin or mineral. My Doc told me I was

borderline anemic, so I started growing greens in my garden and.... BAM.....

way enough iron now (eating liver just doesn't seem what I wanted to do :).

My approach.... is food taste so much better than man-made pills, and after

taking vitamins and minerals.... you could possibly just be ending up with

very expensive urine.

 

Cajun Logic...

:-)

Tom

 

 

 

 

 

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> Actually my grandmother used to put rusty old nails in her tea. Of course

> some studies believe the tannins in tea prevent the body from absorbing the

> iron. Good grief. Why don't we just eat the foods we know are good for us

> and let our bodies figure it out.

 

Attagirl! I'm with you!

 

Best, Pat ;=)

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" Tom " tguidry said,

" While I'm thinking on calcium, I've heard that cow's milk depletes

calcium from your system because the casein protein in milk causes an

acid condition in a humans stomach therefore the body attempts to

neutralize it by pulling calcium (an alkaline) from the bones and

tissues. With the result of just the opposite of what milk is

advertised to produce... being strong bones and teeth. Is there any

truth to this line of thinking ? "

 

Here is one study reported by VRG (Vegetarian Resource Group):

 

High-Protein Diet Depletes Bones Of Calcium

UniSci - Daily University Science News

 

A change in blood acidity caused by a high-protein diet accelerates

osteoporosis by depleting bones of their calcium, say researchers at

the University of Rochester. Their study, which appears in today's

issue of the American Journal of Physiology, reveals for the first

time how bones sacrifice themselves to compensate for the

acid-producing foods we eat.

 

" When we eat, we generate acid, " explains David A. Bushinsky, M.D.,

lead author of the study and professor of Medicine and of

Pharmacology

and Physiology at Strong Memorial Hospital at the University of

Rochester. " These acids are ultimately excreted by the kidneys, but

as

we age, our kidneys don't function so well. If the kidneys can't

keep

up with our appetite, the bones step in and absorb the excess acid.

That's good in the short term, but in the process the bones

surrender

calcium, phosphorus, sodium and everything they should be keeping to

stay strong. "

 

The process is called metabolic acidosis and it can become a problem

for a middle-aged or older person whose kidneys are not working as

efficiently as those of a younger person's. Not only does the bone

trade off its calcium for the blood's acid, but the acid environment

hinders osteoblasts, the cells that naturally rebuild damaged bone.

 

" An older woman with kidney trouble should definitely watch how much

protein she eats, " says Bushinsky. As much as 30 percent of

post-menopausal white women, the group at greatest risk, have

osteoporosis. Protein generates more acid than other foods, and the

proteins in red meat generate more acid than those in fish or

poultry.

Vegetable proteins give rise to the least amount of acid.

 

Though scientists have suspected that high levels of acid in the

blood

contribute to osteoporosis, this is the first time researchers have

been able to confirm that the bones are actually deteriorating.

Using

a prototype machine called an " ion microprobe, " Bushinsky was able

to

zoom in and identify what made up each layer of a mouse bone.

 

Up until now, researchers had to test the entire bone, and so would

easily miss the loss of calcium that occurred only at the surface.

The

ion microprobe strips away layers of bone like a leaf-blower

whisking

away the top dry leaves while the wet ones stay on the lawn. Then

it's

just a matter of collecting the blown fragments and analyzing them.

 

Bushinsky found that in just seven days, mice experiencing metabolic

acidosis had measurable depletion of calcium in their femurs. " But

the

calcium depletion probably started just days, even hours after the

blood became acidic, " he explains.

 

Some medications and diseases can hinder the kidneys' ability to

keep

the blood pH at healthy levels. The two most common diseases that

limit kidney function are hypertension and diabetes.

 

This study is funded entirely by the National Institutes of Health.

The ion microprobe was developed by Riccardo Levi-Setti, Ph.D., of

the

University of Chicago. - By Jonathan Sherwood

[Contact: [3]Jonathan Sherwood]

3. Jonathan_Sherwood

 

05-Nov-1999

C 1995-1999 UniSci. All rights reserved.

 

References

 

1. http://unisci.com/

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More information, from " Diet for a New World: May All Be Fed, " by John

Robbins:

 

" The greater a person's protein intake, the higher their calcium losses

will be, and regardless of how much calcium is consumed either in the

diet or through supplements, this calcium leaching will continue

unabated unless the protein consumption is reduced. . . . " (Joseph

Keon's Whole Health, 1997)

 

This point makes sense of the interesting trend that there is more

osteoporosis in countries with higher intake of dairy (USA, Scandinavian

countries) and less osteoporosis in countries where dairy has not

traditionally been high (eg. some Asian countries).

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I LOVE cast iron cookware. Use it anyway!

 

Carousel Cheesecakes <cc1 wrote:My doctor told me to go back to

using my cast iron cookware.

 

 

 

Kirsten

 

 

 

 

Tom [tguidry]

Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:56 AM

 

RE: Re: calcium question

 

 

 

I've always had a problem with taking supplements unless its obvious that

Doc says you are deficient in a vitamin or mineral. And even then I have a

problem with knowing what a person is deficient in and chooses a pill over

eating foods high in the deficient vitamin or mineral. My Doc told me I was

borderline anemic, so I started growing greens in my garden and.... BAM.....

way enough iron now (eating liver just doesn't seem what I wanted to do :).

My approach.... is food taste so much better than man-made pills, and after

taking vitamins and minerals.... you could possibly just be ending up with

very expensive urine.

 

Cajun Logic...

:-)

Tom

 

 

 

 

 

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Cornbread in a cast iron skillet is the way to go for sure.....

Just pre heat the skillet before putting in the corn bread mixture to create

a golden brown crust on the bottom AND the top....

brb.... gotta go eat something :-)

 

 

Tom

P.S. Give it to Tom, He'll eat anything

 

 

Beth Renzetti [elmothree2000]

Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:03 AM

 

RE: Re: calcium question

 

 

 

I LOVE cast iron cookware. Use it anyway!

 

Carousel Cheesecakes <cc1 wrote:My doctor told me to go back

to using my cast iron cookware.

 

 

 

Kirsten

 

 

 

 

Tom [tguidry]

Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:56 AM

 

RE: Re: calcium question

 

 

 

I've always had a problem with taking supplements unless its obvious that

Doc says you are deficient in a vitamin or mineral. And even then I have a

problem with knowing what a person is deficient in and chooses a pill over

eating foods high in the deficient vitamin or mineral. My Doc told me I was

borderline anemic, so I started growing greens in my garden and.... BAM.....

way enough iron now (eating liver just doesn't seem what I wanted to do :).

My approach.... is food taste so much better than man-made pills, and after

taking vitamins and minerals.... you could possibly just be ending up with

very expensive urine.

 

Cajun Logic...

:-)

Tom

 

 

 

 

 

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> Cornbread in a cast iron skillet is the way to go for sure.....

> Just pre heat the skillet before putting in the corn bread mixture to create

> a golden brown crust on the bottom AND the top....

> brb.... gotta go eat something :-)

 

This is downright cruel, Tom! Here I am, going through and sorting recipes -

seeing what needs editing, re-filing, all that stuff, and I come up for air,

hungry

as a hound, and you're talking *cornbread*. Wooooooo! Somehow, a stick of

celery isn't quite going to do the job after that LOL

 

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A very old friend of mine.... 95 years old, make a cornbread with bell

peppers Green, yellow and red.... along with putting a layer of cheese in

the middle..... not so healthy with the cheese in there .... but heck, you

have to build up your white blood count with SOMETHING....

 

 

veggiehound [veggiehound]

Wednesday, January 26, 2005 2:58 PM

 

Re: calcium question

 

 

 

 

> Cornbread in a cast iron skillet is the way to go for sure.....

> Just pre heat the skillet before putting in the corn bread mixture to

create

> a golden brown crust on the bottom AND the top....

> brb.... gotta go eat something :-)

 

This is downright cruel, Tom! Here I am, going through and sorting recipes -

seeing what needs editing, re-filing, all that stuff, and I come up for air,

hungry

as a hound, and you're talking *cornbread*. Wooooooo! Somehow, a stick of

celery isn't quite going to do the job after that LOL

 

Best, Pat ;=)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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