Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Kirsten, here are some ideas for you: 1) There is a great cookbook, " Calciyum!: Delicious Calcium-Rich Dairy-Free Vegetarian Recipes " by David Bronfman, Rachelle Bronfman CalciYum. 2) You need to get magnesium with calcium to make it bioavailable. 3) Here is a list of some good vegetarian sources of calcium: White/Wholemeal bread, Taco Shells, Oats Soyabeans, Tofu, Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Pistachios, Sunflower Seeds Sesame Seeds, Flax Seed, Carob Beet Greens, Collards, Dandelion Greens, Mustard Greens, Spinach Turnip Greens, Watercress, Broccoli, Carrots, Cabbage, Garlic, Parsley Spirulina, Chives, Seaweed (Agar, Irishmoss, Kelp, Laver, Wakame), Cauliflower, Okra, Cassava Figs, Papaya, Rhubarb, Molasses Azuki beans Amaranth Baked beans Refried beans Black beans Black turtle beans Burdock root Butter beans Butterbur (Fuki) Chinese Cabbage (Pak Choi) Cardoon Chickpeas Hummus Chickory Blackeyed peas Cranberry beans French beans Great northern beans Kale Kidney beans Lambsquarters Lima beans Lupins Mung beans Mungo beans Navy beans Pigeon peas Pink beans Pinto beans Natto Tempeh Acorn squash Butternut squash White beans Winged beans Yellow beans ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from Maida Please sign my petition: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/738171316 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Very helpful, l thank you so much for doing this research for me. Kirsten Maidawg [maidawg] Monday, January 24, 2005 11:05 AM RE: calcium question Kirsten, here are some ideas for you: 1) There is a great cookbook, " Calciyum!: Delicious Calcium-Rich Dairy-Free Vegetarian Recipes " by David Bronfman, Rachelle Bronfman CalciYum. 2) You need to get magnesium with calcium to make it bioavailable. 3) Here is a list of some good vegetarian sources of calcium: White/Wholemeal bread, Taco Shells, Oats Soyabeans, Tofu, Almonds, Brazil Nuts, Pistachios, Sunflower Seeds Sesame Seeds, Flax Seed, Carob Beet Greens, Collards, Dandelion Greens, Mustard Greens, Spinach Turnip Greens, Watercress, Broccoli, Carrots, Cabbage, Garlic, Parsley Spirulina, Chives, Seaweed (Agar, Irishmoss, Kelp, Laver, Wakame), Cauliflower, Okra, Cassava Figs, Papaya, Rhubarb, Molasses Azuki beans Amaranth Baked beans Refried beans Black beans Black turtle beans Burdock root Butter beans Butterbur (Fuki) Chinese Cabbage (Pak Choi) Cardoon Chickpeas Hummus Chickory Blackeyed peas Cranberry beans French beans Great northern beans Kale Kidney beans Lambsquarters Lima beans Lupins Mung beans Mungo beans Navy beans Pigeon peas Pink beans Pinto beans Natto Tempeh Acorn squash Butternut squash White beans Winged beans Yellow beans ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from Maida Please sign my petition: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/738171316 _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Beth suggested supplementing with Tums. I don't think that will work, in spite of the ads. Simply taking in calcium does not mean it gets into your body in a usable form. For one thing, you need to take in magnesium or the excess calcium just goes through your body and is eliminated in your urine (darker color). I don't even know whether the form of calcium in Tums is even vegetarian, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from Maida Please sign my petition: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/738171316 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 I just picked up a multi vitamin with magnesium and vitamin D to help me with absorbsion. I still have a lot of research to do yet. This will be an ongoing learning and adjustment phase. What do you think of Coral Calcium with added Magnesium and vitamin D? I saw this at the store. I am interested in where they get the coral. Kirsten Maidawg [maidawg] Monday, January 24, 2005 11:51 AM RE: calcium question Beth suggested supplementing with Tums. I don't think that will work, in spite of the ads. Simply taking in calcium does not mean it gets into your body in a usable form. For one thing, you need to take in magnesium or the excess calcium just goes through your body and is eliminated in your urine (darker color). I don't even know whether the form of calcium in Tums is even vegetarian, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from Maida Please sign my petition: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/738171316 _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Hi - just got on line because the electricians were here to do some work at the crack of dawn this morning (for them - it was 8 o'clock) and have just left a few minutes ago. I have just read the great calcium debate and was just about to jump in and scream Magnesium Magnesium when I read this (and Maida's last about all the wonderful vegan foods with calcium). I'm trying to remember - and I'll look in the archives - but wasn't there recently, very recently, an article about needing equal mg of magnesium with the calcium? <checking> Okay, it's message no. 3304 in the archives and it says, in part: >>Scientific studies show that for every > > milligram of calcium your body absorbs from a > > portion > > of food, there must also be present one milligram of > > magnesium. Otherwise, the excess calcium will remain > > unabsorbed. And this is *exactly* what Maida is saying too. Unfortunately, sometimes we forget these things and think when we need calcium (and we do) that it is calcium *only* that we should be taking - not calcium *plus* the only thing that will let us use the calcium in our bodies. Tricky. Okay, now that's two of us telling you LOL Okay??? So take the calcium in whatever veg*n form you feel comfortable with, but also make sure you take * an equal amount* of magnesium with it. Then you'll be just fine! Best, Pat ;=) > Beth suggested supplementing with Tums. I don't think that will work, > in spite of the ads. Simply taking in calcium does not mean it gets > into your body in a usable form. For one thing, you need to take in > magnesium or the excess calcium just goes through your body and is > eliminated in your urine (darker color). > > I don't even know whether the form of calcium in Tums is even > vegetarian, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 how about a snack of Tums & Mylanta? Does calcium fortified OJ also have magnesium, I wonder... >>Scientific studies show that for every > > milligram of calcium your body absorbs from a > > portion > > of food, there must also be present one milligram of > > magnesium. Otherwise, the excess calcium will remain > > unabsorbed. Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 >Does calcium fortified OJ also have magnesium, I wonder... Yes. Best, Pat P.S. That info also in Message # 3304 mentioned in my last post ;=) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 I've always had a problem with taking supplements unless its obvious that Doc says you are deficient in a vitamin or mineral. And even then I have a problem with knowing what a person is deficient in and chooses a pill over eating foods high in the deficient vitamin or mineral. My Doc told me I was borderline anemic, so I started growing greens in my garden and.... BAM..... way enough iron now (eating liver just doesn't seem what I wanted to do . My approach.... is food taste so much better than man-made pills, and after taking vitamins and minerals.... you could possibly just be ending up with very expensive urine. Cajun Logic... :-) Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 >>very expensive urine. LOL. Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 While I'm thinking on calcium, I've heard that cow's milk depletes calcium from your system because the casein protein in milk causes an acid condition in a humans stomach therefore the body attempts to neutralize it by pulling calcium (an alkaline) from the bones and tissues. With the result of just the opposite of what milk is advertised to produce... being strong bones and teeth. Is there any truth to this line of thinking ? Tom bayoubro2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 My doctor told me to go back to using my cast iron cookware. Kirsten Tom [tguidry] Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:56 AM RE: Re: calcium question I've always had a problem with taking supplements unless its obvious that Doc says you are deficient in a vitamin or mineral. And even then I have a problem with knowing what a person is deficient in and chooses a pill over eating foods high in the deficient vitamin or mineral. My Doc told me I was borderline anemic, so I started growing greens in my garden and.... BAM..... way enough iron now (eating liver just doesn't seem what I wanted to do . My approach.... is food taste so much better than man-made pills, and after taking vitamins and minerals.... you could possibly just be ending up with very expensive urine. Cajun Logic... :-) Tom _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 > I've always had a problem with taking supplements unless its obvious that > Doc says you are deficient in a vitamin or mineral. And even then I have a > problem with knowing what a person is deficient in and chooses a pill over > eating foods high in the deficient vitamin or mineral. I hear ya ;=) Sometimes, though, the Doc *does* say that and sometimes one gets scared enough to take the prescribed/recommended supplements. >My Doc told me I was > borderline anemic, so I started growing greens in my garden and.... BAM..... > way enough iron now (eating liver just doesn't seem what I wanted to do . One doc I had found out I didn't eat *red meat* - hah! no iron in the diet! so I'd have to take an iron tonic so that I wouldn't become anaemic. I wasn't anaemic btw, she just thought it was inevitable. Of course, I ate iron-rich veggies and never had a prob. She attributed it all to her good sense - I'm afraid I let her think so. Good doctors are, after all, hard to find! LOL > My approach.... is food taste so much better than man-made pills, and after > taking vitamins and minerals.... you could possibly just be ending up with > very expensive urine. LOL love it! > Cajun Logic... > :-) Can't argue with it! ;=) Thanks a bunch! Best, Pat ;=) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 > My doctor told me to go back to using my cast iron cookware. Maybe that's what's saved us from iron deficiency all these years! It's not that we don't try to eat a healthy diet, it's just that we don't obsess about it. We also like to snack on raisins - my exception to my 'no sweets' habit. Of course, a love of green veg helps a lot! Best, Pat ;=) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 >(Ask him if its the > same as chewing nails :-) Might make him mad enough to. Or worry him enough to. pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 I am curious to know if your doctor mentioned Spinach, Kale, Chard, ... dark green leafy vegetables to put in the cast iron skillet... which in fact has no organic minerals for the body to actually absorb. (Ask him if its the same as chewing nails :-) Silly ole Cajun Tom Carousel Cheesecakes [cc1] Tuesday, January 25, 2005 3:19 PM RE: Re: calcium question My doctor told me to go back to using my cast iron cookware. Kirsten Tom [tguidry] Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:56 AM RE: Re: calcium question I've always had a problem with taking supplements unless its obvious that Doc says you are deficient in a vitamin or mineral. And even then I have a problem with knowing what a person is deficient in and chooses a pill over eating foods high in the deficient vitamin or mineral. My Doc told me I was borderline anemic, so I started growing greens in my garden and.... BAM..... way enough iron now (eating liver just doesn't seem what I wanted to do . My approach.... is food taste so much better than man-made pills, and after taking vitamins and minerals.... you could possibly just be ending up with very expensive urine. Cajun Logic... :-) Tom _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Actually my grandmother used to put rusty old nails in her tea. Of course some studies believe the tannins in tea prevent the body from absorbing the iron. Good grief. Why don't we just eat the foods we know are good for us and let our bodies figure it out. Kirsten Tom [tguidry] Tuesday, January 25, 2005 5:28 PM RE: Re: calcium question I am curious to know if your doctor mentioned Spinach, Kale, Chard, ... dark green leafy vegetables to put in the cast iron skillet... which in fact has no organic minerals for the body to actually absorb. (Ask him if its the same as chewing nails :-) Silly ole Cajun Tom Carousel Cheesecakes [cc1] Tuesday, January 25, 2005 3:19 PM RE: Re: calcium question My doctor told me to go back to using my cast iron cookware. Kirsten Tom [tguidry] Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:56 AM RE: Re: calcium question I've always had a problem with taking supplements unless its obvious that Doc says you are deficient in a vitamin or mineral. And even then I have a problem with knowing what a person is deficient in and chooses a pill over eating foods high in the deficient vitamin or mineral. My Doc told me I was borderline anemic, so I started growing greens in my garden and.... BAM..... way enough iron now (eating liver just doesn't seem what I wanted to do . My approach.... is food taste so much better than man-made pills, and after taking vitamins and minerals.... you could possibly just be ending up with very expensive urine. Cajun Logic... :-) Tom _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 > Actually my grandmother used to put rusty old nails in her tea. Of course > some studies believe the tannins in tea prevent the body from absorbing the > iron. Good grief. Why don't we just eat the foods we know are good for us > and let our bodies figure it out. Attagirl! I'm with you! Best, Pat ;=) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 " Tom " tguidry said, " While I'm thinking on calcium, I've heard that cow's milk depletes calcium from your system because the casein protein in milk causes an acid condition in a humans stomach therefore the body attempts to neutralize it by pulling calcium (an alkaline) from the bones and tissues. With the result of just the opposite of what milk is advertised to produce... being strong bones and teeth. Is there any truth to this line of thinking ? " Here is one study reported by VRG (Vegetarian Resource Group): High-Protein Diet Depletes Bones Of Calcium UniSci - Daily University Science News A change in blood acidity caused by a high-protein diet accelerates osteoporosis by depleting bones of their calcium, say researchers at the University of Rochester. Their study, which appears in today's issue of the American Journal of Physiology, reveals for the first time how bones sacrifice themselves to compensate for the acid-producing foods we eat. " When we eat, we generate acid, " explains David A. Bushinsky, M.D., lead author of the study and professor of Medicine and of Pharmacology and Physiology at Strong Memorial Hospital at the University of Rochester. " These acids are ultimately excreted by the kidneys, but as we age, our kidneys don't function so well. If the kidneys can't keep up with our appetite, the bones step in and absorb the excess acid. That's good in the short term, but in the process the bones surrender calcium, phosphorus, sodium and everything they should be keeping to stay strong. " The process is called metabolic acidosis and it can become a problem for a middle-aged or older person whose kidneys are not working as efficiently as those of a younger person's. Not only does the bone trade off its calcium for the blood's acid, but the acid environment hinders osteoblasts, the cells that naturally rebuild damaged bone. " An older woman with kidney trouble should definitely watch how much protein she eats, " says Bushinsky. As much as 30 percent of post-menopausal white women, the group at greatest risk, have osteoporosis. Protein generates more acid than other foods, and the proteins in red meat generate more acid than those in fish or poultry. Vegetable proteins give rise to the least amount of acid. Though scientists have suspected that high levels of acid in the blood contribute to osteoporosis, this is the first time researchers have been able to confirm that the bones are actually deteriorating. Using a prototype machine called an " ion microprobe, " Bushinsky was able to zoom in and identify what made up each layer of a mouse bone. Up until now, researchers had to test the entire bone, and so would easily miss the loss of calcium that occurred only at the surface. The ion microprobe strips away layers of bone like a leaf-blower whisking away the top dry leaves while the wet ones stay on the lawn. Then it's just a matter of collecting the blown fragments and analyzing them. Bushinsky found that in just seven days, mice experiencing metabolic acidosis had measurable depletion of calcium in their femurs. " But the calcium depletion probably started just days, even hours after the blood became acidic, " he explains. Some medications and diseases can hinder the kidneys' ability to keep the blood pH at healthy levels. The two most common diseases that limit kidney function are hypertension and diabetes. This study is funded entirely by the National Institutes of Health. The ion microprobe was developed by Riccardo Levi-Setti, Ph.D., of the University of Chicago. - By Jonathan Sherwood [Contact: [3]Jonathan Sherwood] 3. Jonathan_Sherwood 05-Nov-1999 C 1995-1999 UniSci. All rights reserved. References 1. http://unisci.com/ 14. webmaster ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from Maida Please sign my petition: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/738171316 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 More information, from " Diet for a New World: May All Be Fed, " by John Robbins: " The greater a person's protein intake, the higher their calcium losses will be, and regardless of how much calcium is consumed either in the diet or through supplements, this calcium leaching will continue unabated unless the protein consumption is reduced. . . . " (Joseph Keon's Whole Health, 1997) This point makes sense of the interesting trend that there is more osteoporosis in countries with higher intake of dairy (USA, Scandinavian countries) and less osteoporosis in countries where dairy has not traditionally been high (eg. some Asian countries). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from Maida Please sign my petition: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/738171316 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Kirsten said, " My doctor told me to go back to using my cast iron cookware. " That must be for increasing iron, not calcium... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ from Maida Please sign my petition: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/738171316 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 I LOVE cast iron cookware. Use it anyway! Carousel Cheesecakes <cc1 wrote:My doctor told me to go back to using my cast iron cookware. Kirsten Tom [tguidry] Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:56 AM RE: Re: calcium question I've always had a problem with taking supplements unless its obvious that Doc says you are deficient in a vitamin or mineral. And even then I have a problem with knowing what a person is deficient in and chooses a pill over eating foods high in the deficient vitamin or mineral. My Doc told me I was borderline anemic, so I started growing greens in my garden and.... BAM..... way enough iron now (eating liver just doesn't seem what I wanted to do . My approach.... is food taste so much better than man-made pills, and after taking vitamins and minerals.... you could possibly just be ending up with very expensive urine. Cajun Logic... :-) Tom _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Cornbread in a cast iron skillet is the way to go for sure..... Just pre heat the skillet before putting in the corn bread mixture to create a golden brown crust on the bottom AND the top.... brb.... gotta go eat something :-) Tom P.S. Give it to Tom, He'll eat anything Beth Renzetti [elmothree2000] Wednesday, January 26, 2005 9:03 AM RE: Re: calcium question I LOVE cast iron cookware. Use it anyway! Carousel Cheesecakes <cc1 wrote:My doctor told me to go back to using my cast iron cookware. Kirsten Tom [tguidry] Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:56 AM RE: Re: calcium question I've always had a problem with taking supplements unless its obvious that Doc says you are deficient in a vitamin or mineral. And even then I have a problem with knowing what a person is deficient in and chooses a pill over eating foods high in the deficient vitamin or mineral. My Doc told me I was borderline anemic, so I started growing greens in my garden and.... BAM..... way enough iron now (eating liver just doesn't seem what I wanted to do . My approach.... is food taste so much better than man-made pills, and after taking vitamins and minerals.... you could possibly just be ending up with very expensive urine. Cajun Logic... :-) Tom _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 > Cornbread in a cast iron skillet is the way to go for sure..... > Just pre heat the skillet before putting in the corn bread mixture to create > a golden brown crust on the bottom AND the top.... > brb.... gotta go eat something :-) This is downright cruel, Tom! Here I am, going through and sorting recipes - seeing what needs editing, re-filing, all that stuff, and I come up for air, hungry as a hound, and you're talking *cornbread*. Wooooooo! Somehow, a stick of celery isn't quite going to do the job after that LOL Best, Pat ;=) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 A very old friend of mine.... 95 years old, make a cornbread with bell peppers Green, yellow and red.... along with putting a layer of cheese in the middle..... not so healthy with the cheese in there .... but heck, you have to build up your white blood count with SOMETHING.... veggiehound [veggiehound] Wednesday, January 26, 2005 2:58 PM Re: calcium question > Cornbread in a cast iron skillet is the way to go for sure..... > Just pre heat the skillet before putting in the corn bread mixture to create > a golden brown crust on the bottom AND the top.... > brb.... gotta go eat something :-) This is downright cruel, Tom! Here I am, going through and sorting recipes - seeing what needs editing, re-filing, all that stuff, and I come up for air, hungry as a hound, and you're talking *cornbread*. Wooooooo! Somehow, a stick of celery isn't quite going to do the job after that LOL Best, Pat ;=) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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