Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Good Morning I have been in bed all night thinking about this... On the TV last night UK had a program about Atkins (Fat or Fiction) on it they had a " vegetarian " weighing 23stone. She had gone off her vegetarian diet to do Atkins for speedy weight-loss. Two Questions: 1. Vegetarianism is healthy why could someone get to 23 stone? 2. Atkins goes against vegetarianism how could she still call herself one? Totally confused and need some answers. Thanks Santie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 A balanced vegetarian diet is healthy, but foods such as chips, crisps, chocolate, cakes, biscuits, etc are vegetarian (with exceptions), if you eat a lot of fatty foods such as chips, you are going to put weight on and it is easy to become 20+ stone, it was only around 2 years ago that I was up 25+ stone and a vegetarian as I didn't do a lot of exercise and did eat crisps and chips rather than healthy foods. I'm now just over 14 stone aiming to loose another 2 stone and (all going well) should reach my goal in the next 2 - 3 months. As for her calling herself a vegetarian, I can't comment, I don't know her reasons for her calling herself a vegetarian. Jon x -- Web Assistant - Department of TFTS C61, Hugh Owen E-mail: ppp3 Dept Web: <http://www.aber.ac.uk/tfts> www.aber.ac.uk/tfts Personal Web: <http://www.jonparry.com/> www.jonparry.com <http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates & id=54349 & t=1> Get Firefox! _____ santie.mehl [santie.mehl] 11 February 2005 08:37 Shock Horror Good Morning I have been in bed all night thinking about this... On the TV last night UK had a program about Atkins (Fat or Fiction) on it they had a " vegetarian " weighing 23stone. She had gone off her vegetarian diet to do Atkins for speedy weight-loss. Two Questions: 1. Vegetarianism is healthy why could someone get to 23 stone? 2. Atkins goes against vegetarianism how could she still call herself one? Totally confused and need some answers. Thanks Santie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 I'm sorry that I don't know how to equate " stone " with " pound, " but as Jon points out, vegetarian does not necessarily mean healthy. If this woman says she is veg and on Atkins, I would guess that she gets her protein not from meat but from dairy, and if it is " full-fat " dairy, she's consuming huge amounts of fat. Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Karen wrote: > I'm sorry that I don't know how to equate " stone " with " pound, " but as > Jon points out, vegetarian does not necessarily mean healthy. 1 stone = 14 pounds = (approx) 6 1/2 kilo. Piers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Thank you, Piers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 >If this > woman says she is veg and on Atkins, I would guess that she gets her > protein not from meat but from dairy, and if it is " full-fat " dairy, > she's consuming huge amounts of fat. And eggs. Eggs are also vegetarian. You could do quite a bit of protein between the dairy and the eggs. And huge amounts of fat. The fat of course is fine by Fatkins :=( Best, Pat ;=) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 Santie, My best friend and co-worker has been on Atkins for four years, I've watched her yo-yo up and down, watched her consume huge amounts of meat and meat fats at one sitting over lunch. She was the first person to criticize my decision to become Vegetarian 2 years ago. She kept telling me how my diet was going to be so unhealthy, how I could never get the vitamins and minerals my body needed from veggies. She kept telling me that the vegetables I was eating had no nutritional benefit. When we would get our lunches out of the fridge at work and go to her office to eat, she would make a big production about eating the meat in front of me, always telling me that her way (Atkins) was the only way. She criticized me daily, as I used 1 T. of fat free dressing on my salad, she would put 1/2 a bottle, (no kidding!!!) of fatty dressing on her salad, ending up with more dressing than greens. She would cut up half a ring of bologna into her salad and scoff at me eating carrot sticks. I want to offer a personal note, " food for thought " as it were: I was more than 25 stone when I became vegetarian, partly because of circumstances beyond my control... making the choice to move to vegetarianism was two fold for me... one was health reasons and the other was that I was always into animal rights and needed to stop being a hypocrate. I lost approximately 5.3 stone the first year. I'm eating healthy, no chips, crisps, sweets, pop, nothing like that and my weight loss has leveled off. For some of us it's quite possible to be heavy and eat healthily. There are many other factors involved when people become so overweight, it's not all about what or how much they are eating. I guess I'm trying to say, don't feel " shock horror " at the thought of someone being so large and vegetarian. They may be doing all they can to achieve weight loss and a healthier body. Thyroidism, medications, disabilities, depression can all add to the dilema some of us face daily. I work for an agency in the social services field that specifically serves the disabled population. We talk about sensitivity and acceptance every day. One of the board members recently said, " Since when is not being able to push yourself away from the table, a disability? " I was so insulted. Myself and another co-worker quickly explained to her how that misconception can hurt and offend people. Just because someone is large or struggling with weight loss doesn't necessarily mean they are eating junk food. That's just a thought to chew on... Robin , santie.mehl@g... wrote: > > > Good Morning > > I have been in bed all night thinking about this... > > On the TV last night UK had a program about Atkins (Fat or Fiction) on > it they had a " vegetarian " weighing 23stone. She had gone off her > vegetarian diet to do Atkins for speedy weight-loss. > > Two Questions: > 1. Vegetarianism is healthy why could someone get to 23 stone? > 2. Atkins goes against vegetarianism how could she still call herself > one? > > Totally confused and need some answers. > > Thanks > Santie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 I have lost 10 pounds in 5 weeks being vegetarian. Most of that weight came off after I gave up dairy. I did do the Atkins diet and became very ill. I was eating less then 20-30 carbs a day. My doctor became very alarmed when my vision failed. I never knew that carbohydrates are critical to good eye health. I now eat a minimum of 100 grams of carbs a day. I still am loosing weight but it is coming off slowly. That is just fine with me as long it does come off. I dread once I do loose all of the weight I will need a tummy tuck to get rid of all of the excess skin but I will feel great once it is gone. I still have a long way to go. I figure at this rate it will take me about a year to loose enough for the surgery. It will take me that long to save up the money for it too. Kirsten Ask Me [DaisyChain1964] Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:25 PM Re: Shock Horror Santie, My best friend and co-worker has been on Atkins for four years, I've watched her yo-yo up and down, watched her consume huge amounts of meat and meat fats at one sitting over lunch. She was the first person to criticize my decision to become Vegetarian 2 years ago. She kept telling me how my diet was going to be so unhealthy, how I could never get the vitamins and minerals my body needed from veggies. She kept telling me that the vegetables I was eating had no nutritional benefit. When we would get our lunches out of the fridge at work and go to her office to eat, she would make a big production about eating the meat in front of me, always telling me that her way (Atkins) was the only way. She criticized me daily, as I used 1 T. of fat free dressing on my salad, she would put 1/2 a bottle, (no kidding!!!) of fatty dressing on her salad, ending up with more dressing than greens. She would cut up half a ring of bologna into her salad and scoff at me eating carrot sticks. I want to offer a personal note, " food for thought " as it were: I was more than 25 stone when I became vegetarian, partly because of circumstances beyond my control... making the choice to move to vegetarianism was two fold for me... one was health reasons and the other was that I was always into animal rights and needed to stop being a hypocrate. I lost approximately 5.3 stone the first year. I'm eating healthy, no chips, crisps, sweets, pop, nothing like that and my weight loss has leveled off. For some of us it's quite possible to be heavy and eat healthily. There are many other factors involved when people become so overweight, it's not all about what or how much they are eating. I guess I'm trying to say, don't feel " shock horror " at the thought of someone being so large and vegetarian. They may be doing all they can to achieve weight loss and a healthier body. Thyroidism, medications, disabilities, depression can all add to the dilema some of us face daily. I work for an agency in the social services field that specifically serves the disabled population. We talk about sensitivity and acceptance every day. One of the board members recently said, " Since when is not being able to push yourself away from the table, a disability? " I was so insulted. Myself and another co-worker quickly explained to her how that misconception can hurt and offend people. Just because someone is large or struggling with weight loss doesn't necessarily mean they are eating junk food. That's just a thought to chew on... Robin , santie.mehl@g... wrote: > > > Good Morning > > I have been in bed all night thinking about this... > > On the TV last night UK had a program about Atkins (Fat or Fiction) on > it they had a " vegetarian " weighing 23stone. She had gone off her > vegetarian diet to do Atkins for speedy weight-loss. > > Two Questions: > 1. Vegetarianism is healthy why could someone get to 23 stone? > 2. Atkins goes against vegetarianism how could she still call herself > one? > > Totally confused and need some answers. > > Thanks > Santie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 > I guess I'm trying to say, don't feel " shock horror " at the > thought of someone being so large and vegetarian. They may be doing > all they can to achieve weight loss and a healthier body. > Thyroidism, medications, disabilities, depression can all add to the > dilema some of us face daily. Hiya Robin Please don't get me wrong I was not shocked and horrified by the weight, I was shocked that someone who is vegetarian could go on an Atkins diet which in my mind is completely about MEAT. I suppose I am a bit of a " Save the Animals " person. Apologies to anyone who tought I was " size-ist " . Being a little big myself and DH being diagnosed morbidly obese - that's the last thing from my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 Okay, please do not adjust your sets. > I was not shocked and horrified by the > weight, I was shocked that someone who is vegetarian could go on an > Atkins diet which in my mind is completely about MEAT. I suppose I am > a bit of a " Save the Animals " person. About Fatkins: believe it or not, there is a *vegetarian* (but not vegan) form of the diet. I am not saying it is healthy and I am not recommending it, but it does exist. Knowing this, I am tending to give the TV-hyped overweight vegetarian who 'went on Atkins' the benefit of the doubt. I am now going to give the link to this form of the diet - again, not to recommend it LOL - but to show that it exists and in the hope of preventing further distress and misunderstanding on the 'shock horror' subject. I am grateful to a member who posted this link way back when ;=) It was posted for information only and is re-posted for the same reason. http://www.ehow.com/how_8646_dr-atkins-diet.html Okay? Now let's get on with some healthy eating LOL Best love, Pat ;=) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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