Polls

[Guest guest]

Working from experience, most polls get voted on within about a week or a bit

more of going up - sooooo, I shall soon conclude my Poll on 'Are you trying to

lose weight . . . '

 

If you'd like to vote in this one, just for fun, here's your chance ;=) Voter

identity

is not revealed in this poll and, if your weight (or your wish) has changed

since you first voted just under two weeks ago, remember you can change

your vote right up to closing time.

 

Go to: /polls

 

There's another poll up there too - might as well vote in that one while you're

there, eh? Good idea!!!

 

More polls? Oh no doubt. I love polls LOL

 

Best,

 

Pat ;=)

[Guest guest]

Pat wrote:

 

> Voter identity

> is not revealed in this poll and, if your weight (or your wish) has

changed

> since you first voted just under two weeks ago, remember you can change

> your vote right up to closing time.

>

> Go to: /polls

>

> There's another poll up there too - might as well vote in that one while

you're

> there, eh? Good idea!!!

 

Yes that one was about how strict we are with our vegetarianism - I know

there are quite a few of you on the list who are not strict vegetarians,

equally welcome (provided you keep to the rules!), well this poll gives you

the opportunity to express just how strict (or not) you are. Don't be

deterred, it's completely non-judgemental, though maybe it might have been

better to have this as an anonymous poll as well. I'll be concluding this

one soon too.

 

Piers (who admits to not being 100% strict)

[Guest guest]

Hi there, Piers ;=)

 

And the Poll is for vegans as well as vegetarians - how strict each is in their

chosen lifestyle - right?

 

So, IF I think of myself as a vegetarian who occasionally eats eggs and dairy,

making me ovo-lacto, but who *never* eats animal flesh, I'd say I was strict in

always reading the side of the package ;=) BUT if I think of myself as a vegan

who last month had eaten eggs because auntie made such a nice omelette

and she's 102 yrs old and wouldn't understand so I had a bite to please her,

that would place me in the category of making exceptions for circumstances.

Same person, same food, just a different way of looking at it! Yeah. And of

course there are all the other categories in between :=)

 

I guess the poll isn't about categorizing *what* we eat, but more as you say,

Piers, about how *strict* we are with ourselves (or sometimes, even, how

difficult our circumstances might be). Interesting.

 

I'll be interested to see where everyone places themselves. I suppose if one

were in a fairly 'comfortable' place, then everyone would be 100 per cent strict

according to their chosen position, but if it's a struggle, then of coursse we

find

that, well, sometimes things aren't as easy as they would ideally be! ;=)

 

Anyway VOTE everyone!!!! I did.

 

Best, Pat ;=) - who finds a comfort zone in being an ovo-lacto-vegetarian and

therefore doesn't have to break her own rules. (I was a terrible failure as a

vegan!)

 

> Yes that one was about how strict we are with our vegetarianism - I know

> there are quite a few of you on the list who are not strict vegetarians,

> equally welcome (provided you keep to the rules!), well this poll gives you

> the opportunity to express just how strict (or not) you are. Don't be

> deterred, it's completely non-judgemental, though maybe it might have been

> better to have this as an anonymous poll as well. I'll be concluding this

> one soon too.

>

> Piers (who admits to not being 100% strict)

[Guest guest]

> Hi there, Piers ;=)

 

Hi Pat!

 

> And the Poll is for vegans as well as vegetarians - how strict each is in

their

> chosen lifestyle - right?

 

Right. We would need another poll to measure the vector " where do you place

the boundaries of what is edible? " going from cannibal via pesco (?),

ovo-lacto, vegan, fruitarian, right up to breatharian. Might be an idea, one

of these days :-)

 

> I guess the poll isn't about categorizing *what* we eat, but more as you

say,

> Piers, about how *strict* we are with ourselves (or sometimes, even, how

> difficult our circumstances might be). Interesting.

 

Or, maybe it's an indication of how we deal with the rest of the world - the

world (for most of us) remains obstinately omnivorous if not actually

carnivorous. Do we go on flying our vegetarian flag no matter what the world

serves up? or do we sometimes have to keep quiet and (literally) swallow

what it offers in order to comply with some higher principle. You hit it

right with the story of the 102-year-old aunt you don't want to offend (for

option #3) but it might also be a lunch offered by a business partner with

whom an important deal is about to be concluded, where you don't want to

confuse the issue and/or upset his/her state of mind by talking about your

principles.

 

For option #2 I think of my own situation where I'm in a house with several

people, only 2 vegetarians, and I'm not the only one that cooks - I often

have a suspicion that a dish is being enhanced by non-veggy bouillon, or

that my veggie slice is being fried in oil which has just been used for the

meat or fish course - well, rather than send it back I might bear it in mind

and take up the topic on a separate occasion. In restaurants (except

vegetarian ones) it could be a problem, can you really be sure about what

you're eating? is your veggyburger cooked on a separate griddle from your

neighbour's big mac? (maybe it is and I'm maligning the catering industry -

that could why it always takes such an incredible time arriving whereas the

neighbour's is there almost as soon as the order is completed).

 

> Anyway VOTE everyone!!!! I did.

 

To save you looking it up, the address of the poll is

/surveys?id=1632637

 

Piers

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God Bless your aunt!!

 

 

and she's 102 yrs old and wouldn't understand so I

 

 

 

 

 

Mail - You care about security. So do we.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi again. Piers said:

 

> We would need another poll to measure the vector " where do you place

> the boundaries of what is edible? " going from cannibal via pesco (?),

> ovo-lacto, vegan, fruitarian, right up to breatharian. Might be an idea, one

> of these days :-)

 

Well, we've sort of done that on this list not so long ago - last year? - but

that

poll didn't canvas pesco - just non-vegetarian, vegetarian wannabe, and the

varieties of vegetarian - ovo-lacto, ovo, lacto, vegan diet. I wonder if there

enough non-vegetarians on the list to make pesco (and yes pollo) worth

canvassing - without driving the vegetarians away, that is ;=) Well, there'd be

one way of finding out! Good idea!

 

> Or, maybe it's an indication of how we deal with the rest of the world - the

> world (for most of us) remains obstinately omnivorous if not actually

> carnivorous. Do we go on flying our vegetarian flag no matter what the

world serves up?

 

Well, some do, bless em ;=) There are indeed movements to indoctrinate -

albeit gently for the most part - non-vegetarians in the value of vegetarianism,

and they often feel that one one can't do that if one eats meat whenever the

going gets tough.

 

And some have no choice if they are to be true to their beliefs - whether it is

a

religious belief that it is wrong to eat meat or to cause harm to other living

creatures or whether it is an ethical or philosophical reason for the same.

 

>or do we sometimes have to keep quiet and (literally) swallow what it offers

in order to comply with some higher principle.

 

I'm not sure what 'higher principle' would apply in these cases. :=) Points of

etiquette and higher finance? Tell the auntie the truth and order a nice healthy

salad for lunch with the business partner if nothing else is on offer - without

explanation to either. That's my policy ;=)

 

> For option #2 I think of my own situation where I'm in a house with several

> people, only 2 vegetarians, and I'm not the only one that cooks - I often

> have a suspicion that a dish is being enhanced . . .

 

Hey, another good topic! See next email!!!

 

Can we have feedback on some of the above discussion?

 

Best, Pat ;=)

[Guest guest]

Well, since you're asking for feedback...

 

I personally would not compromise my moral convictions and eat a non-veg

dish prepared by the 102yo auntie, nor would I compromise for the sake

of a " business deal. " This is just MHO. I live alone with a

carnivorous cat, and my SO is a carnivore as well. He is considerate

enough to always prepare a veg dish for me when he is cooking at his

house, and meat/fish/fowl is not allowed in mine. It works for us.

 

Karen

[Guest guest]

my head is spinning.

 

Can we have feedback on some of the above

discussion?

 

Best, Pat ;=)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

> Well, since you're asking for feedback...

 

Yes, thanks ;=) Much appreciated!

 

> I personally would not compromise my moral convictions and eat a non-veg

> dish prepared by the 102yo auntie, nor would I compromise for the sake

> of a " business deal. "

 

I have nibbled on lettuce and bread in these kinds of situations :=( No one

seemed to notice or care. Perhaps they all had good manners! LOL (Mind

you, I learned this trick ages ago when I was very young, of necessity, and

again later when I had medical reasons for avoiding certain foods *or else* on

two or three occasions. People assume allergies, usually.).

 

>This is just MHO.

 

Understood ;=)

 

>I live alone with a carnivorous cat, and my SO is a carnivore as well. He is

considerate

> enough to always prepare a veg dish for me when he is cooking at his

> house, and meat/fish/fowl is not allowed in mine. It works for us.

 

Yes, my dh and two hounds live with a carniverous cat. He doesn't prepare

anything for us, alas, but his own food comes out of a bag (luckily for us, he

came from a very deprived background and therefore *always* refuses

canned food, so no nasty yucky meaty stuff around!).

 

Your SO is lucky to have you so accommodating of his eating style - hope he

knows that! LOL And - hey! - another household which, like ours, disallows

meat/fish/fowl. These dishes and pans have never had me*t in them - nor the

stove or refrigerator! Easy for me, then, to say that it's possible to avoid

making compromises ;=)

 

You know, I don't think I'm being overly moral over avoiding meat - I just don't

want it around me! It's not difficult to decide not to have something when you

really really REALLY don't want to have it in any shape or form ;=) Mind you,

there are some places, quite a few, where I cannot eat . . . . and I wouldn't

want to eat there anyway, you know?

 

Thanks for the feedback!

 

Best love,

 

Pat ;=)

[Guest guest]

Beth Renzetti <elmothree2000> wrote:

 

> my head is spinning.

 

That was mine that just rolled past and turned an unknown corner at the

bottom of the hill.

 

Pat

[Guest guest]

Hehehe, Pat; I guess it did sound like my cat prepares his own food

(need to get my grammar straight, eh?). Kitty is named Lucy, and guess

if I had mentioned that it would have been more clear that I was

speaking of the SO

 

I've also eaten my share of bread and lettuce meals, so can definitely

relate. As an aside, my 79yo mum prepares a veg*n dish once a week in

her crockpot to share w/me, though she herself is not veg*n. How's that

for supportive!

 

Best,

Karen

[Guest guest]

veggiehound wrote:

 

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>>Well, since you're asking for feedback...

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1]

I suggest for those living in vegetarian/non-vegetarian households,

taking a cue from the Jewish religion. Keeping Kosher requires

completely separate cooking utensils and dishes for meat & diary.

Applying this to vegetarians should be easier since I've never heard of

anyone who eats meat and does not also eat some vegetables. So, the

non-vegetarian is not going to object to food from the vegetarian

cookware. He/she could simply use separate pans for his/her meat

dishes. I hope this suggestion is helpful and should love to hear

comments thereon.

 

2]

How many non-vegetarians are in the group? Since I am one of them, I'd

like to know. The point for me is a great respect for the Vegetarian

lifestyle and commitment combined with a love of good food. However,

I'm finding that not only am I getting great recipes, but I'm learning

many things about the lifestyle that I didn't know or never thought about.

 

Thank you for accepting me in your group.

 

With highest regards and greatest respect,

Lynn Hickman & his vegetable -loving dogs

(can't get the cat to eat veggies though)

[Guest guest]

rofl!!

 

 

--- veggiehound wrote:

Beth Renzetti wrote:

 

> my head is spinning.

 

That was mine that just rolled past and turned an

unknown corner at the

bottom of the hill.

 

Pat

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

what a sweet mum!!!!

As an aside, my 79yo mum prepares a veg*n

dish once a week in her crockpot to share w/me, though she herself is not

veg*n. How's that for supportive!

 

Best,

Karen

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

> I suggest for those living in vegetarian/non-vegetarian households,

> taking a cue from the Jewish religion. Keeping Kosher requires

> completely separate cooking utensils and dishes for meat & diary. . . . I hope

this suggestion is helpful and should love to hear comments thereon.

 

Sounds logical to me - I know I wouldn't want my vegetarian pans to be used

for meat - but since this is a meat-free household it hasn't arisen. I really

really

hope it never does, but I promise to remember to simply get a separate 'meat-

cooking pan' should my dh suddenly decide to turn carnivore! :=(

 

Best, Pat ;=)

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all those who responded to the " strict " poll and those who took

part in what turned out to be a very stimulating discussion. I'd really like

to reply to all the individual sub-threads which have developed but just a

quick summary before the poll closes: Pat's observation that everyone would

tend to be more or less " strict " at their own comfort level perhaps sums it

up - the results up to now seem to indicate that it's " more " more than

" less " - which is what the poll was trying to find out so in that sense it

was successful.

 

Remains the problem of " pollution " (shared kitchens, restaurants or hosts

with unknown compliance etc.) - I don't see a way around this without

leading a life completely isolated from the rest of the community (as

individual or as commune etc.) - every culture has its own " comfort level "

with regard to food (Arabs etc. don't eat pigs, British don't eat horses,

whereas somewhere else they eat dogs - sorry to intrude with these

disagreeable topics) as well as food hygiene, and we just have to hope that

all involved in the chain of food preparation have respect for our stricter

standards as well as a complete understanding of what these standards

involve. Hence my " whim " comment - respect and understanding come easier if

the standards are tied to a well-known religious or health requirement.

 

Piers

 

PS the poll will conclude at midnight Pacific time 28 Feb.