Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 <Isn't it odd how that can happen. Such is the force of the propaganda about the SAD that many of us feel we have to 'make up for meat' with too much of the wrong thing and *then* somehow change back to meat to lose weight. It's the reduced calories that do it, of course, not the poor meat.> Exactly. <Funny about that too - after a while our bodies declare that they really don't want that unnecessary animal protein and tell us that there's lots of good protein in grains and vegetables - as well as reminding us that it's not all about protein! > Yes - that is what I am finally finding out. I think our society or mainstream " so-called " nutritionist's have just fed us too much propaganda about protein. <Okay, seen that, and if you have the book and it is working for you then I'm not in a position to comment. But I do worry about the price - $599.95 Canadian is a lotta moola in their pockets - and I do worry about so-called genetic testing. It's pretty easy to tell if you have a low or high metabolism by counting your calories for a few weeks and seeing if you gain, lose or stay the same. As they say, burn more than you eat, you lost; burn less than you eat, you gain. However, I'm sure there's more to it than that and I am rather weary already today at only 0910 because I have been overextending myself this last week.> I got the used book " Fit for Life " on /books.com for $01 !!! So that is NOT $599.95 ... I got the first book from my libraray and thought it made sense and I'd try it... then I thought I liked it and got the used book on the internet... the postage was $3.67 ... so all totalled I got the book for $3.68. I also got the second book " Fit For Lift II " which is even better ... the authors talk more about how much blasting they got from the mainstream Medical community .. and how many people it has helped. Remember the first was written in 1985 and the other in 1987. I find them useful today. Tommorrow??? I'm open to new and better things... but as I say they make sense and so far - my tummy likes it - I have new energy... Yesterday was the first day with no coffee!!! I got down to 1/2 cup a day .... I did not want the headaches - so I did it very gradually and I am such an addict I had to let go gradually... even talking about it I want another cup now... so I better change the subject... <Well, good luck with it all - a system that lets you lose weight without compromising your health or your principles is a good thing - and this one seems to be filling that requirement for you.> Yes - yes ... agree - don't know about that " lets you lose " ... I choose to follow it today.. I have a choice each day what I eat or follow or not... but I know what you mean... <I like clever marketing of 'Fit For Life' name, btw, and the idea that it is not a 'weight loss' but a Weight Management programme - clever PR. But it is of course PR, since it all means the same thing LOL > Nothing of this PR is in the books... maybe just the web site. I believe the authors didn't start this to loose weight but to help themselves. Both authors had huge stomach problems although Harvey was overweight. Well... all I can say that is today is working... Thanks for the input Pat. Louise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 I agree that the South Beach diet, Atkins, Zone, etc will not work for vegetarians because the only food you can eat is Tofu. I love Tofu, but I do not want a full time diet of it. However, my cousin is considered medically carbohydrate intolerent. She used to be a vegetarian, but had to begin eating small amounts of poultry and fish because of carbohydrate intolerence--she is not diabetic. She mostly uses the South Beach diet because it has a lot of whole grains, vegetables, etc so is much healthier. When she cut back on her carbohydrates, she lost 40 pounds and was able to quit taking her high blood pressure meds. We are all different. Meanwhile, I have been a vegetarian for 25+ years. Kathleen Eureka CA > <Isn't it odd how that can happen. Such is the force > of the propaganda about > the SAD that many of us feel we have to 'make up for > meat' with too much of > the wrong thing and *then* somehow change back to > meat to lose weight. It's > the reduced calories that do it, of course, not the > poor meat.> > Kathleen M. Pelley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 > I agree that the South Beach diet, Atkins, Zone, etc > will not work for vegetarians because the only food > you can eat is Tofu. I love Tofu, but I do not want a > full time diet of it. Well, only 'protein' food that they recognize/allow/whatever, perhaps - right? Of course, I do believe that salad greens etc are certainly permitted and other low carb low cal vegetables. When reducing diets emphasize protein above all other nutrients, it is indeed hard on vegetarians who get our proteins from a wide variety of plant foods. Best, I think, for vegetarians to turn to one of the reducing diets that have been designed for vegetarians or vegans. Or, of course, to reduce calories (including fat intake) and have the same result. > However, my cousin is considered medically > carbohydrate intolerent. I am not at all sure what this means. >She used to be a vegetarian, > but had to begin eating small amounts of poultry and > fish because of carbohydrate intolerence--she is not > diabetic. I'm still not sure LOL >She mostly uses the South Beach diet > because it has a lot of whole grains, vegetables, etc > so is much healthier. When she cut back on her > carbohydrates, she lost 40 pounds and was able to quit > taking her high blood pressure meds. Well that's good for her, of course! Losing weight will help blood pressure, they keep telling us. I'd be unhappy, however, if a whole bunch of members ran off to eat poultry and fish with the idea of losing 40 pounds quickly. . . . > We are all different. And differently advised, apparently. >Meanwhile, I have been a > vegetarian for 25+ years. Excellent woman! Keep up the good work! Best love, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 >I got the used book " Fit for Life " on /books.com for $01 !!! So that is NOT $599.95 ... Wowieeee, there are still bargains to be had in this world after all! Good luck - I'd find it a bit restrictive, but I know not everyone would. And good luck with the no-caffein trick. Any particular reason for trying to kick it? They say a cup or two cups a day of coffee is beneficial rather than harmful. Of course, 'They' change their minds more often than their socks. Best, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Pat, Thanks for your response to my comment about my cousin's unfortunate end to her vegetarian lifestyle. She is a registered nurse and her husband a physician. There actually is a group of folks out there called " carbohydrate intolerant " The major symptom she explained to me is that shortly after eating a carbohydrate [like a whole wheat bagel], those who are carbohydrate intolerant crave more and feel hungry even though they just ate a balanced meal. I actually read some brief information in Vegetarian Times several years ago about this phenomenon. Kathleen Eureka CA where it is overcast and rained yesterday. > > However, my cousin is considered medically > > carbohydrate intolerant. > > I am not at all sure what this means. > Kathleen M. Pelley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 > Thanks for your response to my comment about my > cousin's unfortunate end to her vegetarian lifestyle. > She is a registered nurse and her husband a physician. Hi - I wasn't doubting, just not sure what it was we were talking about LOL > There actually is a group of folks out there called > " carbohydrate intolerant " The major symptom she > explained to me is that shortly after eating a > carbohydrate [like a whole wheat bagel], those who are > carbohydrate intolerant crave more and feel hungry > even though they just ate a balanced meal. Oh okay, gotcha! Not that they break out in hives, get tummy upsets or whatever, just that it is counterproductive because of the craving. I know people who are like that on sugar - and probably, if they were to think about it, a bit like that on carbs in general. What a curse for a vegetarian! Total sympathy. Most of us keep away from all the processed carbs anyway, don't we. Whole wheat or other grains, minimal or no sugar, lots of good beans and lentils, etc., somehow get most of us through all problems. Me anyway LOL Thanks for the explanation. Sometimes it's just a matter of terminology that is confusing! Best love, Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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