Guest guest Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 Just a reminder to SBVS listserve users and rs: The South Bay Vegetarian Society (aka, )listserve is for use by rs for promoting VEGETARIAN-RELATED EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES that are sanctioned by the SOUTH BAY VEGETARIAN SOCIETY. Recently, the SBVS listserve has been hit with a " spate of (non- vegetarian) spam " (if you will excuse the pun!) that has ranged from controversial issues like the middle east conflict to individuals who are promoting their personal parties, singles groups, and in one instance--organizations that are in direct opposition to the goals of vegetarianism (such as Heifer International--a group which many vegetarians have deservedly so 'renamed' as " HEINOUS International " )! Any such use of the SBVS listserve constitutes misuse of the SBVS listserve. Persons who abuse this policy will be removed and barred from using the SBVS listserve. In some cases, certain individuals have engaged in multiple attempts to post non-vegetarian related events to the SBVS listserve, and consequently, have been reported to for follow-up and prospective disciplinary action. The SBVS listserve is a means by which vegetarians can communicate with other vegetarians to promote vegetarianism and vegetarian events to members of the vegetarian community. Abuse of the listserve hurts all of us since it disrupts our ability to disseminate significant vegetarian-related information to the vegetarian community at-large. If you ever have doubt about whether you should post a message to the listserve, then please first check with the SBVS Moderators--Dave Pearl (tantraguy2002) or Phil Becker (beckerhead). Regarding events--unless an event has been cleared by the SBVS Steering Committee at a SBVS Planning Committee meeting or via a communication with a member of the SBVS Planning Committee, then it should NOT be posted on the listserve as an officially sanctioned event of the SBVS. Please note that this policy applies exclusively to SBVS events. Please do your part to help keep the SBVS listserve as an effective tool for communication among the vegetarian community in the South Bay and surrounding area. Thank you for your cooperation. Phil Becker, SBVS Co-Founder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 It isn't as if this list has been 'flooded' with off-topic subjects; and the ones that are posted whether veg related or not, seem to quickly pass by with little or no discussion. And the idea that people can't post their personal parties, etc, seems more than a little rightwing controlling to me. What's next, grade the events as to whether they are kinda veggie or 'real vegan' or if they don't pass muster according to your personal whimsy?? This is a resource, that's all. Nothing sacred. You seem a little heavy handed with this, in my opinion. Too controlling and you risk alienating the very people who form the audience you are trying to reach. ~Ronni - " phibec95117 " <beckerhead Sunday, November 30, 2003 2:17 AM A polite but FIRM reminder... > Just a reminder to SBVS listserve users and rs: > > The South Bay Vegetarian Society (aka, )listserve is > for use by rs for promoting VEGETARIAN-RELATED EVENTS AND > ACTIVITIES that are sanctioned by the SOUTH BAY VEGETARIAN SOCIETY. > > Recently, the SBVS listserve has been hit with a " spate of (non- > vegetarian) spam " (if you will excuse the pun!) that has ranged from > controversial issues like the middle east conflict to individuals who > are promoting their personal parties, singles groups, and in one > instance--organizations that are in direct opposition to the goals of > vegetarianism (such as Heifer International--a group which many > vegetarians have deservedly so 'renamed' as " HEINOUS International " )! > > Any such use of the SBVS listserve constitutes misuse of the SBVS > listserve. Persons who abuse this policy will be removed and barred > from using the SBVS listserve. In some cases, certain individuals > have engaged in multiple attempts to post non-vegetarian related > events to the SBVS listserve, and consequently, have been reported to > for follow-up and prospective disciplinary action. > > The SBVS listserve is a means by which vegetarians can communicate > with other vegetarians to promote vegetarianism and vegetarian events > to members of the vegetarian community. Abuse of the listserve hurts > all of us since it disrupts our ability to disseminate significant > vegetarian-related information to the vegetarian community at-large. > If you ever have doubt about whether you should post a message to the > listserve, then please first check with the SBVS Moderators--Dave > Pearl (tantraguy2002) or Phil Becker (beckerhead). > > Regarding events--unless an event has been cleared by the SBVS > Steering Committee at a SBVS Planning Committee meeting or via a > communication with a member of the SBVS Planning Committee, then it > should NOT be posted on the listserve as an officially sanctioned > event of the SBVS. Please note that this policy applies exclusively > to SBVS events. > > Please do your part to help keep the SBVS listserve as an effective > tool for communication among the vegetarian community in the South > Bay and surrounding area. > > Thank you for your cooperation. > > Phil Becker, SBVS Co-Founder > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 For what it's worth, both members have a point. The list is simply a resource to be used, I hope, by its veggie members. Bumping non veggie related spam off the list is one thing I'd support. However, bumping veggie members for contacting other veggies about non SBVS activities is a bit much and deserves more discussion. IMHO, this is one of the reasons for building a veggie community, and I'll bet we all seek that. Dave O'Neal Ronni [talas1] Sunday, November 30, 2003 10:39 AM ; phibec95117 Re: A polite but FIRM reminder... It isn't as if this list has been 'flooded' with off-topic subjects; and the ones that are posted whether veg related or not, seem to quickly pass by with little or no discussion. And the idea that people can't post their personal parties, etc, seems more than a little rightwing controlling to me. What's next, grade the events as to whether they are kinda veggie or 'real vegan' or if they don't pass muster according to your personal whimsy?? This is a resource, that's all. Nothing sacred. You seem a little heavy handed with this, in my opinion. Too controlling and you risk alienating the very people who form the audience you are trying to reach. ~Ronni - " phibec95117 " <beckerhead Sunday, November 30, 2003 2:17 AM A polite but FIRM reminder... > Just a reminder to SBVS listserve users and rs: > > The South Bay Vegetarian Society (aka, )listserve is > for use by rs for promoting VEGETARIAN-RELATED EVENTS AND > ACTIVITIES that are sanctioned by the SOUTH BAY VEGETARIAN SOCIETY. > > Recently, the SBVS listserve has been hit with a " spate of (non- > vegetarian) spam " (if you will excuse the pun!) that has ranged from > controversial issues like the middle east conflict to individuals who ----clipped---- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 With all due respect, this is the South Bay Vegetarian Societies list, and not some generic veggie mailing list. I think it's up to them what the rules are. I do hope they leave other local non-profit veggie groups post announcements to the list w/o jumping thru hoops, but again it's their list and their rules. I for one get tired of people trying to make a quick buck of local veggie folk and using free resource such as this to do it. As for spam to the list, what people don't realize is that it's a lot of hard work managing these lists and I'm sure the admins of this list work hard behind to scenes to catch all sorts stuff that shouldn't be on the list. I run a few other Group mailing lists and you'd not believe the trash and porn that people try to send. Just because we don't see it on the list, doesn't mean it's not happening. In closing, if people are unhappy how things are run you're always free to go and start your own veggie mailing list and social club. I'm sure you'll soon realize how much work it is. Keep up the good work Phil. Take care Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 - " Ronni " <talas1 > It isn't as if this list has been 'flooded' with off-topic subjects; > and the ones that are posted whether veg related or not, seem to > quickly pass by with little or no discussion. > > And the idea that people can't post their personal parties, etc, > seems more than a little rightwing controlling to me. > What's next, grade the events as to whether they are kinda veggie or 'real > vegan' > or if they don't pass muster according to your personal whimsy?? Since you took the time to write this, I am taking my time to say: I disagree completely and I support Phil. The " what's next " line is a typical line of people without common sense. The world is not black and white - just because you have some censorship does not mean everything will be censored. I don't see any reason to doubt that Phil has common sense. Posting irrelevant junk on the Internet slows it down and wastes people's time. It's wrong, plain and simple. There is no need to argue about it, and I won't, it's just common sense. Mark Galecki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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