Sticking to the topic: vegetarianism

January 28, 2004

For all you groupoholics, has quite a few interest groups that you

can to (/). For example, has

5,439 interest groups concerning politics. Feel free to to

all of them!

Several of us are already d to some other groups in addition to

. My inbox does bulge. So, to as many groups

as you like, but as a courtesy to others, please stay on-topic in your

postings to each group.

This year is an election year, and a lot of people want to express

themselves, very legitimately. Please find the right forum.

By the way, the invitation to the Hoo Tza Tza concert has definite SBVS

connections (the coordinator of the concert is an SBVS member, and a $7

discount is being offered to all SBVS members).

-- Mike

Diane E Harrison [dianeliz]

Tuesday, January 27, 2004 7:23 AM

Re: Shoshana's emails

It seemed interesting to me that a message from Shoshana banning

political messages arrived at the same time as a message promoting a

musical concert at a religious organization. While it's great that

members are involved in events outside vegetarianism, i.e. politics, the

arts, religion, etc., all of them are no more and no less relevant to

this list. So, if you ban one type of non-vegetarian message, you

should

ban them all. Similarly, if you allow some people to promote events

unrelated to vegetarianism, other list members should be given the same

privilege. (Spam, and we all know what that is, is never acceptable.)

Diane Harrison

Shoshana Bella Billik [shoshana]

Saturday, January 24, 2004 3:26 PM

Manny Cherkas

Cc: jakubcolt; southBayveggies

Re: moveon.org Vision for US future

not our miserable political present

Hi, Manny! Thanks for your message.

I've already sent a message to Jakub requesting that he no longer post

any kind of political messages to the list, as they are indeed

inappropriate. If he continues to do this, we will have to remove him

from the list.

Take care,

Shoshana (A list moderator)

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I do not believe that the distribution list for South Bay Veggies should

be exploited for dissemination of unsolicited political messages

unrelated to vegetarianism or nutrition or animal rights. My email inbox

has too much unsolicited mail as it is and does not need more.

I would like to see such messages stopped.

Manny Cherkas

-

<jakubcolt Coltun

<jakubcolt (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net

Wednesday, January 21, 2004 5:38 PM

moveon.org Vision for US future not our

miserable political present

What's clearly missing in Washington is any vision for the

future of our country. Where are we going as a nation? What's

the plan for fixing health care? What's the plan for getting

out of Iraq? What's the plan for stopping the loss of

high quality manufacturing jobs, and now even service and

professional positions? What's the plan for stopping the

flood of red ink from irresponsible tax cuts?

Together, we can do better. It's a New Year -- time for a new

start. We need your help.

A progressive organization called MoveOn is asking Americans to

sign up to help develop a real, uniting American vision -- a 100%

America plan. To be a part of this work, go to:

http://www.moveon.org/mission/

In this coming year, candidates for President will be looking

for great ideas that can truly inspire Americans to build a

positive future for us and for our children.

As a start, we've been collecting ideas for possible 'strategic

initiatives' based on themes of freedom, opportunity, responsibility

and security. To suggest your own ideas, and to be part of building

a 100% America plan, go to the link above.

Now is the time for us to build a positive future -- together.

The final steps:

<http://www.moveon.org/mission//volunteer.html?id=-3537917-j3Z1NATrJiyhp

oz.QjJHrwVolunteer: We need your help. If you have some time to give,

<http://www.moveon.org/mission//volunteer.html?id=press here.

Respect Always,

Jakub

*****************************************************

* Shoshana Bella Billik * shoshana

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* http://www.billik.com/shoshana/ * sbillik

*

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January 28, 2004

I'm not happy with short sighted ideas like " If you don't like it here,

go somewhere else!! " For those old enough to remember, that's just like

the 70s antiwar slogan, " America, love it or leave it! " Sadly, neither

rant resolves the issues faced in a community.

Clearly, some are quite content with this group remaining a cyber clone

of Pleasantville. Maybe today's trickle of speaking out will become a

flood.

Dave

Sage, Mike [mike.sage]

Tuesday, January 27, 2004 5:35 PM

southBayveggies

Sticking to the topic: vegetarianism

For all you groupoholics, has quite a few interest groups that you

can to (/). For example, has

5,439 interest groups concerning politics. Feel free to to

all of them!

Several of us are already d to some other groups in addition to

. My inbox does bulge. So, to as many groups

as you like, but as a courtesy to others, please stay on-topic in your

postings to each group.

This year is an election year, and a lot of people want to express

themselves, very legitimately. Please find the right forum.

By the way, the invitation to the Hoo Tza Tza concert has definite SBVS

connections (the coordinator of the concert is an SBVS member, and a $7

discount is being offered to all SBVS members).

-- Mike

January 28, 2004

OK folks. How about cutting Shoshana some slack.

As the moderator of another I can tell you that, as a moderator, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Some folks will leave a listserve if its posts are off-topic because that's not what they signed up for or want. Other folks will leave a listserve if it tries to stay on topic and won't accept way off topic posts. A group moderator is caught between the rock and the hard place.

If the intent or effects of Shoshana's actions were at all prejudicial, (as on another local I can think of), I'd be upset too. But, she's certainly not showing any bias in trying to run the group in a way that everyone can enjoy. She's just trying to keep the group alive and avoid drop-offs, thus helping to spread the vegetarian message.

How about showing some appreciation for her best efforts to do an impossible job. Each of us would want no less.