Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 B " H That's ok... I'm my Orthodox community's most famous vegan. People who barely know me know my car (from the vegan bumper stickers ;-) and the little " L'Chayim -- Jewish Vegetarian Society " bumper sticker). When the local Kosher restaurants have vegan dishes, they always ask ME for my opinion ;-) Ladino is to Spanish what Yiddish is to German. Unfortunately, there are way fewer people who speak Ladino, fewer still who have it as a mother tongue (unlike Yiddish, which is mother tongue to a lot of ultra-Orthodox people in enclaves in Brooklyn, for example). Most Ladino speakers now are either from Turkey, Israel or the US. There are some in Greece and other European countried. They just had a Ladino conference in France.... I belong to a group that sends all messages in Ladino. I've learned a lot of Ladino (and improved my Spanish in the process ;-) by being a part of this group and reading the only regularly published Ladino magazine, Aki Yerushalayim.... (can you tell I'm a major Ladino enthusiast???? oh, BTW, Ladino is also called Judezmo and Judeo-espanyol) My community has a nice sized Sephardic community, nothing like certain parts of Brooklyn or Deal, but a nice community, nevertheless. Our synagogue (esnoga or kehilla in Ladino) was founded in the 1920s by Jews from Salonika (Greece) -- this is one of the cities whose Jewish community was wiped out during the holocaust, so I guess the ones who settled here were lucky. (Ok -- I'm sure that's enough.... sorry, but it's a fast day today and I have a lot of time and no one to talk to..... only 21 more hours of this.....) Debbie (holding up the Sephardic Orthodox Vegan banner even though I'm mostly Ashkenazic by descent ;-) You know what? I'm not a very good Jew. I thought Ladino was some alternate spelling for Latino... I have honestly never heard of it before! I only vaguely know what a Sephardic Jew is... and I call *myself* a Jerseyite -- sheesh! Kon Karinyo, too Debbie jojo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 I know I'm just jumping in here, but if you don't mind me asking, what's a bubby? Hannah jojo 7/18/2002 10:43 AM Re: Yiddish (and Ladino) Lesson..... Muy interesante, Debbie! That's so cool that you are the local authority on kosher veggie stuff My mom just recently divorced and is rediscovering her " Jewish self " and just recently made the switch to pesco-ovo-lacto vegetarianism. I keep sending her the Jewish singles that crazyhistorian sends, but I think she's starting to get annoyed with me. Besides which, she's in S. Jersey, not N.Jersey. It's great that there's something out there like that, though. My sister also recently made the switch to vegetarianism. I'm contagious!!!! LOL! Don't know much about *my* background except that one of my cousins has a rare blood abnormality (not life-threatening -- just unique) that is specific to Kurds. Which would explain why my beautiful Bubby and her sisters are so dark-skinned. My Bubby (the cutest Bubby in the world!) looks Indian, my father looks like an Arab, and my sister looks Armenian. No one has figured out what I look like. I'm the " pale " one. My sister and I are pretty much mutts. English, Alsatian, Russian, (Kurdish?), Polish ... And as for the Jewish bits -- I don't even know what kind of Jews we were... My great, great, great grandfather wore payos (sp?) and lots of black... That's Hacidic? -- jojo - compugraphd <compugraphd Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:40 PM Re: Yiddish (and Ladino) Lesson..... B " H That's ok... I'm my Orthodox community's most famous vegan. People who barely know me know my car (from the vegan bumper stickers ;-) and the little " L'Chayim -- Jewish Vegetarian Society " bumper sticker). When the local Kosher restaurants have vegan dishes, they always ask ME for my opinion ;-) Ladino is to Spanish what Yiddish is to German. Unfortunately, there are way fewer people who speak Ladino, fewer still who have it as a mother tongue (unlike Yiddish, which is mother tongue to a lot of ultra-Orthodox people in enclaves in Brooklyn, for example). Most Ladino speakers now are either from Turkey, Israel or the US. There are some in Greece and other European countried. They just had a Ladino conference in France.... I belong to a group that sends all messages in Ladino. I've learned a lot of Ladino (and improved my Spanish in the process ;-) by being a part of this group and reading the only regularly published Ladino magazine, Aki Yerushalayim.... (can you tell I'm a major Ladino enthusiast???? oh, BTW, Ladino is also called Judezmo and Judeo-espanyol) My community has a nice sized Sephardic community, nothing like certain parts of Brooklyn or Deal, but a nice community, nevertheless. Our synagogue (esnoga or kehilla in Ladino) was founded in the 1920s by Jews from Salonika (Greece) -- this is one of the cities whose Jewish community was wiped out during the holocaust, so I guess the ones who settled here were lucky. (Ok -- I'm sure that's enough.... sorry, but it's a fast day today and I have a lot of time and no one to talk to..... only 21 more hours of this.....) Debbie (holding up the Sephardic Orthodox Vegan banner even though I'm mostly Ashkenazic by descent ;-) You know what? I'm not a very good Jew. I thought Ladino was some alternate spelling for Latino... I have honestly never heard of it before! I only vaguely know what a Sephardic Jew is... and I call *myself* a Jerseyite -- sheesh! Kon Karinyo, too Debbie jojo To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 Muy interesante, Debbie! That's so cool that you are the local authority on kosher veggie stuff My mom just recently divorced and is rediscovering her "Jewish self" and just recently made the switch to pesco-ovo-lacto vegetarianism. I keep sending her the Jewish singles that crazyhistorian sends, but I think she's starting to get annoyed with me. Besides which, she's in S. Jersey, not N.Jersey. It's great that there's something out there like that, though. My sister also recently made the switch to vegetarianism. I'm contagious!!!! LOL! Don't know much about *my* background except that one of my cousins has a rare blood abnormality (not life-threatening -- just unique) that is specific to Kurds. Which would explain why my beautiful Bubby and her sisters are so dark-skinned. My Bubby (the cutest Bubby in the world!) looks Indian, my father looks like an Arab, and my sister looks Armenian. No one has figured out what I look like. I'm the "pale" one. My sister and I are pretty much mutts. English, Alsatian, Russian, (Kurdish?), Polish ... And as for the Jewish bits -- I don't even know what kind of Jews we were... My great, great, great grandfather wore payos (sp?) and lots of black... That's Hacidic? -- jojo - compugraphd Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:40 PM Re: Yiddish (and Ladino) Lesson..... B"HThat's ok... I'm my Orthodox community's most famous vegan. People who barely know me know my car (from the vegan bumper stickers ;-) and the little "L'Chayim -- Jewish Vegetarian Society" bumper sticker). When the local Kosher restaurants have vegan dishes, they always ask ME for my opinion ;-)Ladino is to Spanish what Yiddish is to German. Unfortunately, there are way fewer people who speak Ladino, fewer still who have it as a mother tongue (unlike Yiddish, which is mother tongue to a lot of ultra-Orthodox people in enclaves in Brooklyn, for example). Most Ladino speakers now are either from Turkey, Israel or the US. There are some in Greece and other European countried. They just had a Ladino conference in France....I belong to a group that sends all messages in Ladino. I've learned a lot of Ladino (and improved my Spanish in the process ;-) by being a part of this group and reading the only regularly published Ladino magazine, Aki Yerushalayim....(can you tell I'm a major Ladino enthusiast???? oh, BTW, Ladino is also called Judezmo and Judeo-espanyol)My community has a nice sized Sephardic community, nothing like certain parts of Brooklyn or Deal, but a nice community, nevertheless. Our synagogue (esnoga or kehilla in Ladino) was founded in the 1920s by Jews from Salonika (Greece) -- this is one of the cities whose Jewish community was wiped out during the holocaust, so I guess the ones who settled here were lucky.(Ok -- I'm sure that's enough.... sorry, but it's a fast day today and I have a lot of time and no one to talk to..... only 21 more hours of this.....)Debbie (holding up the Sephardic Orthodox Vegan banner even though I'm mostly Ashkenazic by descent ;-)You know what? I'm not a very good Jew. I thought Ladino was somealternate spelling for Latino... I have honestly never heard of it before!I only vaguely know what a Sephardic Jew is... and I call *myself* aJerseyite -- sheesh!Kon Karinyo, too Debbie :)jojoTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 Hi Debbie / Jojo 'Scuse me being nosey, but I have to ask.... Do either of you have any problems amongst the Jewish community for being vegan? The reason I ask is that from the perspective of a gentile interested in all religions, there seems to be a few things in Jewish scripture / lore (whatever) that I would have thought vegans would have been unable to stick to. I'm guessing that it's probably only ultra-Orthodox Jews who stick to every bit of minutia, but I just wondered if it did make it difficult. BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release 10/07/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 B " H That's really interesting. My background is mostly just boring rye bread Ashkenazic, but I'm obsessed with everything Sephardic. I and two other cousins (I'm the hub betweeen them because I know them both very well, but they barely know each other -- one lives in Arizona, the other in Israel ;-) are the family genealogists. My cousin in Israel recently sent me something that traces one of our family lines back to medieval Spain. They went from Spain to Czechoslovakia. I also have part of a link back to the famous (well, famous in the Jewish community anyway ;-) biblical commentator Rashi (Shlomo -- Solomon -- the son of Yitzchak -- Isaac) who lived in Troyes, France in the 11th (and early 12th) Century. He only had daughters and it seems like some of his descendents migrated south to Spain and married families there. I think if you have Kurdish background, you might come from Sephardic or Oriental (that's like Yemenite or Indian extraction). It sounds really interesting.... Debbie Muy interesante, Debbie! That's so cool that you are the local authority on kosher veggie stuff My mom just recently divorced and is rediscovering her " Jewish self " and just recently made the switch to pesco-ovo-lacto vegetarianism. I keep sending her the Jewish singles that crazyhistorian sends, but I think she's starting to get annoyed with me. Besides which, she's in S. Jersey, not N.Jersey. It's great that there's something out there like that, though. My sister also recently made the switch to vegetarianism. I'm contagious!!!! LOL! Don't know much about *my* background except that one of my cousins has a rare blood abnormality (not life-threatening -- just unique) that is specific to Kurds. Which would explain why my beautiful Bubby and her sisters are so dark-skinned. My Bubby (the cutest Bubby in the world!) looks Indian, my father looks like an Arab, and my sister looks Armenian. No one has figured out what I look like. I'm the " pale " one. My sister and I are pretty much mutts. English, Alsatian, Russian, (Kurdish?), Polish ... And as for the Jewish bits -- I don't even know what kind of Jews we were... My great, great, great grandfather wore payos (sp?) and lots of black... That's Hacidic? -- jojo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 you folks certainly know a lot more about yer families then i could ever know about mine after my father's father, it gets all murky... i just pretend i'm heir to the throne of palermo and leave it at that fraggle " jojo " <tofujojo wrote: >Man! I want a family geneologist, too! I've always wanted to do that, but it takes so much time and my family has not really kept up with their ancestry That is wonderful that you know so much about where you came from! I loved the " boring rye bread Ashkenazic " comment, btw I have some suspicions of my own about my background due to my fave food obsessions: dolmades (stuffed grape leaves,) falafel, anything with tahini in it, etc... stinky, swarthy, garlic-y, salty foods = YUMMY!!!!! LOL! > >-- jojo > - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 Debbie > (Ok -- I'm sure that's enough.... sorry, but it's a fast day today > and I have a lot of time and no one to talk to..... only 21 more > hours of this.....) It's very interesting - you can talk some more if you like. Jo --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release 10/07/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 Man! I want a family geneologist, too! I've always wanted to do that, but it takes so much time and my family has not really kept up with their ancestry That is wonderful that you know so much about where you came from! I loved the "boring rye bread Ashkenazic" comment, btw I have some suspicions of my own about my background due to my fave food obsessions: dolmades (stuffed grape leaves,) falafel, anything with tahini in it, etc... stinky, swarthy, garlic-y, salty foods = YUMMY!!!!! LOL! -- jojo - compugraphd Thursday, July 18, 2002 8:57 AM Re: Yiddish (and Ladino) Lesson..... B"HThat's really interesting. My background is mostly just boring rye bread Ashkenazic, but I'm obsessed with everything Sephardic. I and two other cousins (I'm the hub betweeen them because I know them both very well, but they barely know each other -- one lives in Arizona, the other in Israel ;-) are the family genealogists. My cousin in Israel recently sent me something that traces one of our family lines back to medieval Spain. They went from Spain to Czechoslovakia.I also have part of a link back to the famous (well, famous in the Jewish community anyway ;-) biblical commentator Rashi (Shlomo -- Solomon -- the son of Yitzchak -- Isaac) who lived in Troyes, France in the 11th (and early 12th) Century. He only had daughters and it seems like some of his descendents migrated south to Spain and married families there.I think if you have Kurdish background, you might come from Sephardic or Oriental (that's like Yemenite or Indian extraction). It sounds really interesting....DebbieMuy interesante, Debbie! That's so cool that you are the local authority on kosher veggie stuff My mom just recently divorced and is rediscovering her "Jewish self" and just recently made the switch to pesco-ovo-lacto vegetarianism. I keep sending her the Jewish singles that crazyhistorian sends, but I think she's starting to get annoyed with me. Besides which, she's in S. Jersey, not N.Jersey. It's great that there's something out there like that, though. My sister also recently made the switch to vegetarianism. I'm contagious!!!! LOL!Don't know much about *my* background except that one of my cousins has a rare blood abnormality (not life-threatening -- just unique) that is specific to Kurds. Which would explain why my beautiful Bubby and her sisters are so dark-skinned. My Bubby (the cutest Bubby in the world!) looks Indian, my father looks like an Arab, and my sister looks Armenian. No one has figured out what I look like. I'm the "pale" one. My sister and I are pretty much mutts. English, Alsatian, Russian, (Kurdish?), Polish ... And as for the Jewish bits -- I don't even know what kind of Jews we were... My great, great, great grandfather wore payos (sp?) and lots of black... That's Hacidic?-- jojoTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 Hi Fraggle > you folks certainly know a lot more about yer families then i could ever know about mine Well, I may as well stick my 2 pence worth in here.... My family is English, English and a bit more English. I've managed to trace 293 of my ancestors, and every single one of them is English!! Right back to 1540 on one branch, 1580s on another, and early 1600s on another - all English. Not even so much as a Welshman amongst them! And my surname pre-dates the Norman invasion - in the space of a thousand years, my surname has moved less than 50 miles! BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release 10/07/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 that is sorta scary all in all.... fraggle " Peter " <Snowbow wrote: >Hi Fraggle > >> you folks certainly know a lot more about yer families then i could ever >know about mine > >Well, I may as well stick my 2 pence worth in here.... > >My family is English, English and a bit more English. I've managed to trace >293 of my ancestors, and every single one of them is English!! Right back to >1540 on one branch, 1580s on another, and early 1600s on another - all >English. Not even so much as a Welshman amongst them! And my surname >pre-dates the Norman invasion - in the space of a thousand years, my surname >has moved less than 50 miles! > >BB >Peter > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release 10/07/02 > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 Yeay Jojo!!! I am also a Sephardic Jew whose ancestors immigrated to Greece from Spain durin the Spanish Inquisition(?). My great-grandparents spoke solimente Ladino and it all that wonderful Spanish Greek-Turkish food and cooking seemed to all go down the drain with my grandmother who only ate bread! I really want to learn more about my family before me because this assimilation crap is for the birds! Laura--- Autos - Get free new car price quotes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 B " H Glad to hear that -- especially AFTER the last post I just sent ;-) I actually have a bunch of essays I wrote about Judaism (one of them is about veganism and Judaism) that I'm planning on putting together and get up on line (I used to have them on line at one of those click- to-read and we'll pay you for the readers, but I never saw a cent of that money....). I have a pretty unique perception of things ;-) Debbie Debbie > (Ok -- I'm sure that's enough.... sorry, but it's a fast day today > and I have a lot of time and no one to talk to..... only 21 more > hours of this.....) It's very interesting - you can talk some more if you like. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2002 Report Share Posted July 18, 2002 B " H Cool! I'm obsessed with all things Sephardic. I have been for most of my life (since I found out that there were Sephardic Jews ;-) -- I'm kind of an adopted Sephardi. Debbie Yeay Jojo!!! I am also a Sephardic Jew whose ancestors immigrated to Greece from Spain durin the Spanish Inquisition(?). My great-grandparents spoke solimente Ladino and it all that wonderful Spanish Greek-Turkish food and cooking seemed to all go down the drain with my grandmother who only ate bread! I really want to learn more about my family before me because this assimilation crap is for the birds! Laura--- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2002 Report Share Posted July 19, 2002 Hi Peter, Thanks for taking pity on me. I'll try to behave but... Thats really impressive family history. Having already mentioned c*ts twice, I'll now break another rule. I'm in the middle of testing my new UK genealogy web site http://www.curiousfox.com... You can use it free or pay but anybody interested can join up and instead of paying, go the the button that says pay by cheque and send me an email at the site swearing they are a good ethical vegan instead of sending a cheque. rosanne > > My family is English, English and a bit more English. I've managed to trace > 293 of my ancestors, and every single one of them is English!! Right back to > 1540 on one branch, 1580s on another, and early 1600s on another - all > English. Not even so much as a Welshman amongst them! And my surname > pre-dates the Norman invasion - in the space of a thousand years, my surname > has moved less than 50 miles! > > BB > Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2002 Report Share Posted July 19, 2002 >> i just pretend i'm heir to the throne of palermo and leave it at that And you just might be! You're not lying because you can't prove that you're not, right? -- jojo - EBbrewpunx Thursday, July 18, 2002 9:49 AM Re: Yiddish (and Ladino) Lesson..... you folks certainly know a lot more about yer families then i could ever know about mineafter my father's father, it gets all murky...i just pretend i'm heir to the throne of palermo and leave it at thatfraggle"jojo" <tofujojo wrote:>Man! I want a family geneologist, too! I've always wanted to do that, but it takes so much time and my family has not really kept up with their ancestry That is wonderful that you know so much about where you came from! I loved the "boring rye bread Ashkenazic" comment, btw I have some suspicions of my own about my background due to my fave food obsessions: dolmades (stuffed grape leaves,) falafel, anything with tahini in it, etc... stinky, swarthy, garlic-y, salty foods = YUMMY!!!!! LOL!>>-- jojo> -To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2002 Report Share Posted July 19, 2002 I'm not a very good Jew. I don't really identify very much with my Jewish heritage -- although I'm interested in learning more about where I came from. I've attended a synagogue service once and I've witnessed countless bar/bat mitzvahs. If I had to pick a religion I would say I'm probably closer to a Unitarian Universalist or a Quaker in my beliefs. So I can't really answer your question. My parents are not very religious (although my mother is making an effort these days) and not even my grandparents attend services or keep kosher. So it really hasn't been a problem in that sense. My grandparents are finally convinced that I'm not going to die of malnourishment (as I think is the case when any kid up and decides to become vegetarian -- Jewish or not) although my Mom-Mom (my other bubby) thinks I need to gain some weight. But that's neither here nor there.... Whew! -- jojo - " Peter " <Snowbow Thursday, July 18, 2002 8:10 AM Re: Yiddish (and Ladino) Lesson..... > Hi Debbie / Jojo > > 'Scuse me being nosey, but I have to ask.... > > Do either of you have any problems amongst the Jewish community for being > vegan? The reason I ask is that from the perspective of a gentile interested > in all religions, there seems to be a few things in Jewish scripture / lore > (whatever) that I would have thought vegans would have been unable to stick > to. I'm guessing that it's probably only ultra-Orthodox Jews who stick to > every bit of minutia, but I just wondered if it did make it difficult. > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release 10/07/02 > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2002 Report Share Posted July 19, 2002 Wow! Now I really feel like a mutt... -- jojo - Peter Thursday, July 18, 2002 1:16 PM Re: Yiddish (and Ladino) Lesson..... Hi Fraggle> you folks certainly know a lot more about yer families then i could everknow about mineWell, I may as well stick my 2 pence worth in here....My family is English, English and a bit more English. I've managed to trace293 of my ancestors, and every single one of them is English!! Right back to1540 on one branch, 1580s on another, and early 1600s on another - allEnglish. Not even so much as a Welshman amongst them! And my surnamepre-dates the Norman invasion - in the space of a thousand years, my surnamehas moved less than 50 miles!BBPeter---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release 10/07/02To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2002 Report Share Posted July 19, 2002 Your grandmother lived on bread alone? "One cannot live on bread alone!"...where is that from? That's so sad --- that food is all so gooooood!!! Why is it that everyone who comes to America just wants to blend in? It seems that in other countries, that's not so much the case as it is here. Maybe it's just because a lot of families have been her for so long... -- jojo - Laura Wilson Thursday, July 18, 2002 1:51 PM Re: Yiddish (and Ladino) Lesson..... Yeay Jojo!!! I am also a Sephardic Jew whose ancestors immigrated to Greece from Spain durin the Spanish Inquisition(?). My great-grandparents spoke solimente Ladino and it all that wonderful Spanish Greek-Turkish food and cooking seemed to all go down the drain with my grandmother who only ate bread! I really want to learn more about my family before me because this assimilation crap is for the birds! Laura--- Autos - Get free new car price quotes To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2002 Report Share Posted July 19, 2002 Hi Jojo > If I had to pick a religion I would say I'm probably > closer to a Unitarian Universalist or a Quaker in my beliefs. Here's something amusing - I found a website a while ago where you answered questions about your beliefs and it told you what religion you were. I came out 98% Quaker - from what I could gather, the only difference was that I don't believe in any gods. OK, I know that's a pretty big difference, but still. Anyway, ever since then, I've been known to some of my friends as a Quaker-Pagan! BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release 10/07/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2002 Report Share Posted July 19, 2002 Hi Rosanne > Thats really impressive family history. Having already mentioned c*ts > twice Actually, mentioning cats is not breaking a rule - it was the one specific argument about them that was the problem. > I'll now break another rule. I see no rules broken anywhere. I don't see any problems with members advertising their websites - as long as they don't join the list just to advertise! :-) > I'm in the middle of testing my new UK genealogy web site > http://www.curiousfox.com... > You can use it free or pay but anybody interested can join up and > instead of paying, go the the button that says pay by cheque and send > me an email at the site swearing they are a good ethical vegan > instead of sending a cheque. Ooh - yes please. Will do sometime over the weekend :-) BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release 10/07/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2002 Report Share Posted July 19, 2002 Peter Do you think we can claim squatters rights yet??? Jo >> Well, I may as well stick my 2 pence worth in here.... > > My family is English, English and a bit more English. I've managed to trace > 293 of my ancestors, and every single one of them is English!! Right back to > 1540 on one branch, 1580s on another, and early 1600s on another - all > English. Not even so much as a Welshman amongst them! And my surname > pre-dates the Norman invasion - in the space of a thousand years, my surname > has moved less than 50 miles! > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release 10/07/02 > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2002 Report Share Posted July 19, 2002 only if you vote tory.... and have the signatures of 37 lords.... then, after filling out the " home use land charter " form 10wzx4 (in triplicate), and sending it off to yer MP, then, you will know in 2-17 yrs fraggle " Heartwork " <Heartwork wrote: >Peter > >Do you think we can claim squatters rights yet??? > >Jo > >>> Well, I may as well stick my 2 pence worth in here.... >> >> My family is English, English and a bit more English. I've managed to >trace >> 293 of my ancestors, and every single one of them is English!! Right back >to >> 1540 on one branch, 1580s on another, and early 1600s on another - all >> English. Not even so much as a Welshman amongst them! And my surname >> pre-dates the Norman invasion - in the space of a thousand years, my >surname >> has moved less than 50 miles! >> >> BB >> Peter >> >> >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release 10/07/02 >> >> >> >> To send an email to - >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2002 Report Share Posted July 19, 2002 B " H Well, with us, it all started when my grandfather died. We went through his stuff and in his stuff were some notes about my great- grandfather's family (this is my grandmother's father -- my grandfather was not only his son-in-law but his protege too). My grandfather was a genealogist (in addition to being a Kashrut and Congregational Rabbi) and had done some research on Jews in Eastern Europe. Most of his notes on this were in German (his sister, who is currently living, KI " H, AMUSH -- [these are two Hebrew appreviations meaning " without the evil eye " and " may she live to 120 " -- which is the age Moses lived to and, therefore, traditionally the longest life] in Israel -- and will be, G-d willing, 90 in November, is translating and transcribing them [she's been working on this for around 10 or so years])..... Anyway, my great-grandfather wrote some books on Responsa (questions and answers asked of him by his congregants over the years on Jewish law) -- 3 in total. The third volume was published after he died and contained a very nice biography (which my brother and I translated since most of our relatives don't understand -- or even read -- Hebrew) -- the problem with translating it was that most of it was written in biblical and talmudic and poetic Hebrew which sounds lovely in Hebrew, but can sound trite if translated word for word in English... But I digress.... In the introduction of each volume (which I have reproduced and translated for my web site on my family page) mentioned several Rabbis that my great-grandfather was descended from. Some of them were famous enough in Jewish circles that I could get information on them from Jewish Encyclopedias (which I was able to find in my college's library). In the meantime, my two cousins (both of whom are considerably younger than I -- both are in their 20s now while I'm in my late 40s) got interested in this too (both when they were in their mid teens). The one in Israel (who is my 2nd cousin -- her grandmother and my grandmother were the first two of 9 children) got interested when her father bought a program that was a genealogy database. So she and I shared information. The one who lives in Arizona (whose parents are both my 3rd cousins -- and they're each others' 3rd cousins too ;-) and he became very interested in finding out if we were indeed descended from Rashi (who is the first commentator children learn on the Torah -- I find it amazing how much of what he said I remember from elementary and High School)...... It's really nice when you find out that you're descended from famous Rabbis. It's much easier to trace things..... (probably the most famous person you all might have heard of that we are related to -- I think something like 8th cousins 6 times removed or 6th cousins 8 times removed, I forget what I figured out -- is Karl Marx.) Debbie Man! I want a family geneologist, too! I've always wanted to do that, but it takes so much time and my family has not really kept up with their ancestry That is wonderful that you know so much about where you came from! I loved the " boring rye bread Ashkenazic " comment, btw I have some suspicions of my own about my background due to my fave food obsessions: dolmades (stuffed grape leaves,) falafel, anything with tahini in it, etc... stinky, swarthy, garlic- y, salty foods = YUMMY!!!!! LOL! -- jojo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2002 Report Share Posted July 19, 2002 Quaker-Pagan, hmmm?... jojo - " Peter " <Snowbow Friday, July 19, 2002 9:26 AM Re: Yiddish (and Ladino) Lesson..... > Hi Jojo > > > If I had to pick a religion I would say I'm probably > > closer to a Unitarian Universalist or a Quaker in my beliefs. > > Here's something amusing - I found a website a while ago where you answered > questions about your beliefs and it told you what religion you were. I came > out 98% Quaker - from what I could gather, the only difference was that I > don't believe in any gods. OK, I know that's a pretty big difference, but > still. Anyway, ever since then, I've been known to some of my friends as a > Quaker-Pagan! > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release 10/07/02 > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2002 Report Share Posted July 19, 2002 B " H I'm curious where this site is. I'd like to test it out (since I'm so Jewish it's scary ;-) If they don't call me Jewish, they're way off ;-) Debbie Quaker-Pagan, hmmm?... jojo - " Peter " <Snowbow Friday, July 19, 2002 9:26 AM Re: Yiddish (and Ladino) Lesson..... > Hi Jojo > > > If I had to pick a religion I would say I'm probably > > closer to a Unitarian Universalist or a Quaker in my beliefs. > > Here's something amusing - I found a website a while ago where you answered > questions about your beliefs and it told you what religion you were. I came > out 98% Quaker - from what I could gather, the only difference was that I > don't believe in any gods. OK, I know that's a pretty big difference, but > still. Anyway, ever since then, I've been known to some of my friends as a > Quaker-Pagan! > > BB > Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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