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B " H

 

That's ok... I'm my Orthodox community's most famous vegan. People

who barely know me know my car (from the vegan bumper stickers ;-)

and the little " L'Chayim -- Jewish Vegetarian Society " bumper

sticker). When the local Kosher restaurants have vegan dishes, they

always ask ME for my opinion ;-)

 

Ladino is to Spanish what Yiddish is to German. Unfortunately, there

are way fewer people who speak Ladino, fewer still who have it as a

mother tongue (unlike Yiddish, which is mother tongue to a lot of

ultra-Orthodox people in enclaves in Brooklyn, for example). Most

Ladino speakers now are either from Turkey, Israel or the US. There

are some in Greece and other European countried. They just had a

Ladino conference in France....

 

I belong to a group that sends all messages in Ladino. I've learned a

lot of Ladino (and improved my Spanish in the process ;-) by being a

part of this group and reading the only regularly published Ladino

magazine, Aki Yerushalayim....

 

(can you tell I'm a major Ladino enthusiast???? oh, BTW, Ladino is

also called Judezmo and Judeo-espanyol)

 

My community has a nice sized Sephardic community, nothing like

certain parts of Brooklyn or Deal, but a nice community,

nevertheless. Our synagogue (esnoga or kehilla in Ladino) was founded

in the 1920s by Jews from Salonika (Greece) -- this is one of the

cities whose Jewish community was wiped out during the holocaust, so

I guess the ones who settled here were lucky.

 

(Ok -- I'm sure that's enough.... sorry, but it's a fast day today

and I have a lot of time and no one to talk to..... only 21 more

hours of this.....)

 

Debbie (holding up the Sephardic Orthodox Vegan banner even though

I'm mostly Ashkenazic by descent ;-)

 

 

 

 

 

You know what? I'm not a very good Jew. I thought Ladino was some

alternate spelling for Latino... I have honestly never heard of it

before!

I only vaguely know what a Sephardic Jew is... and I call *myself* a

Jerseyite -- sheesh!

 

Kon Karinyo, too Debbie :)

 

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I know I'm just jumping in here, but if you don't mind me asking, what's a

bubby?

 

Hannah

 

 

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Muy interesante, Debbie! That's so cool that you are the local

authority on kosher veggie stuff :) My mom just recently divorced and

is rediscovering her " Jewish self " and just recently made the switch to

pesco-ovo-lacto vegetarianism. I keep sending her the Jewish singles

that crazyhistorian sends, but I think she's starting to get annoyed

with me. Besides which, she's in S. Jersey, not N.Jersey. It's great

that there's something out there like that, though. My sister also

recently made the switch to vegetarianism. I'm contagious!!!! LOL!

 

Don't know much about *my* background except that one of my cousins has

a rare blood abnormality (not life-threatening -- just unique) that is

specific to Kurds. Which would explain why my beautiful Bubby and her

sisters are so dark-skinned. My Bubby (the cutest Bubby in the world!)

looks Indian, my father looks like an Arab, and my sister looks

Armenian. No one has figured out what I look like. I'm the " pale " one.

My sister and I are pretty much mutts. English, Alsatian, Russian,

(Kurdish?), Polish ... And as for the Jewish bits -- I don't even know

what kind of Jews we were... My great, great, great grandfather wore

payos (sp?) and lots of black... That's Hacidic?

 

-- jojo

 

 

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B " H

 

That's ok... I'm my Orthodox community's most famous vegan. People

who barely know me know my car (from the vegan bumper stickers ;-)

and the little " L'Chayim -- Jewish Vegetarian Society " bumper

sticker). When the local Kosher restaurants have vegan dishes, they

always ask ME for my opinion ;-)

 

Ladino is to Spanish what Yiddish is to German. Unfortunately, there

are way fewer people who speak Ladino, fewer still who have it as a

mother tongue (unlike Yiddish, which is mother tongue to a lot of

ultra-Orthodox people in enclaves in Brooklyn, for example). Most

Ladino speakers now are either from Turkey, Israel or the US. There

are some in Greece and other European countried. They just had a

Ladino conference in France....

 

I belong to a group that sends all messages in Ladino. I've learned a

lot of Ladino (and improved my Spanish in the process ;-) by being a

part of this group and reading the only regularly published Ladino

magazine, Aki Yerushalayim....

 

(can you tell I'm a major Ladino enthusiast???? oh, BTW, Ladino is

also called Judezmo and Judeo-espanyol)

 

My community has a nice sized Sephardic community, nothing like

certain parts of Brooklyn or Deal, but a nice community,

nevertheless. Our synagogue (esnoga or kehilla in Ladino) was founded

in the 1920s by Jews from Salonika (Greece) -- this is one of the

cities whose Jewish community was wiped out during the holocaust, so

I guess the ones who settled here were lucky.

 

(Ok -- I'm sure that's enough.... sorry, but it's a fast day today

and I have a lot of time and no one to talk to..... only 21 more

hours of this.....)

 

Debbie (holding up the Sephardic Orthodox Vegan banner even though

I'm mostly Ashkenazic by descent ;-)

 

 

 

 

 

You know what? I'm not a very good Jew. I thought Ladino was some

alternate spelling for Latino... I have honestly never heard of it

before!

I only vaguely know what a Sephardic Jew is... and I call *myself* a

Jerseyite -- sheesh!

 

Kon Karinyo, too Debbie :)

 

jojo

 

 

 

 

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Muy interesante, Debbie! That's so cool that you are the local authority on kosher veggie stuff :) My mom just recently divorced and is rediscovering her "Jewish self" and just recently made the switch to pesco-ovo-lacto vegetarianism. I keep sending her the Jewish singles that crazyhistorian sends, but I think she's starting to get annoyed with me. Besides which, she's in S. Jersey, not N.Jersey. It's great that there's something out there like that, though. My sister also recently made the switch to vegetarianism. I'm contagious!!!! LOL!

 

Don't know much about *my* background except that one of my cousins has a rare blood abnormality (not life-threatening -- just unique) that is specific to Kurds. Which would explain why my beautiful Bubby and her sisters are so dark-skinned. My Bubby (the cutest Bubby in the world!) looks Indian, my father looks like an Arab, and my sister looks Armenian. No one has figured out what I look like. I'm the "pale" one. My sister and I are pretty much mutts. English, Alsatian, Russian, (Kurdish?), Polish ... And as for the Jewish bits -- I don't even know what kind of Jews we were... My great, great, great grandfather wore payos (sp?) and lots of black... That's Hacidic?

 

-- jojo

 

 

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Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:40 PM

Re: Yiddish (and Ladino) Lesson.....

B"HThat's ok... I'm my Orthodox community's most famous vegan. People who barely know me know my car (from the vegan bumper stickers ;-) and the little "L'Chayim -- Jewish Vegetarian Society" bumper sticker). When the local Kosher restaurants have vegan dishes, they always ask ME for my opinion ;-)Ladino is to Spanish what Yiddish is to German. Unfortunately, there are way fewer people who speak Ladino, fewer still who have it as a mother tongue (unlike Yiddish, which is mother tongue to a lot of ultra-Orthodox people in enclaves in Brooklyn, for example). Most Ladino speakers now are either from Turkey, Israel or the US. There are some in Greece and other European countried. They just had a Ladino conference in France....I belong to a group that sends all messages in Ladino. I've learned a lot of Ladino (and improved my Spanish in the process ;-) by being a part of this group and reading the only regularly published Ladino magazine, Aki Yerushalayim....(can you tell I'm a major Ladino enthusiast???? oh, BTW, Ladino is also called Judezmo and Judeo-espanyol)My community has a nice sized Sephardic community, nothing like certain parts of Brooklyn or Deal, but a nice community, nevertheless. Our synagogue (esnoga or kehilla in Ladino) was founded in the 1920s by Jews from Salonika (Greece) -- this is one of the cities whose Jewish community was wiped out during the holocaust, so I guess the ones who settled here were lucky.(Ok -- I'm sure that's enough.... sorry, but it's a fast day today and I have a lot of time and no one to talk to..... only 21 more hours of this.....)Debbie (holding up the Sephardic Orthodox Vegan banner even though I'm mostly Ashkenazic by descent ;-)You know what? I'm not a very good Jew. I thought Ladino was somealternate spelling for Latino... I have honestly never heard of it before!I only vaguely know what a Sephardic Jew is... and I call *myself* aJerseyite -- sheesh!Kon Karinyo, too Debbie :)jojoTo send an email to -

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Hi Debbie / Jojo

 

'Scuse me being nosey, but I have to ask....

 

Do either of you have any problems amongst the Jewish community for being

vegan? The reason I ask is that from the perspective of a gentile interested

in all religions, there seems to be a few things in Jewish scripture / lore

(whatever) that I would have thought vegans would have been unable to stick

to. I'm guessing that it's probably only ultra-Orthodox Jews who stick to

every bit of minutia, but I just wondered if it did make it difficult.

 

BB

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That's really interesting. My background is mostly just boring rye

bread Ashkenazic, but I'm obsessed with everything Sephardic. I and

two other cousins (I'm the hub betweeen them because I know them both

very well, but they barely know each other -- one lives in Arizona,

the other in Israel ;-) are the family genealogists. My cousin in

Israel recently sent me something that traces one of our family lines

back to medieval Spain. They went from Spain to Czechoslovakia.

 

I also have part of a link back to the famous (well, famous in the

Jewish community anyway ;-) biblical commentator Rashi (Shlomo --

Solomon -- the son of Yitzchak -- Isaac) who lived in Troyes, France

in the 11th (and early 12th) Century. He only had daughters and it

seems like some of his descendents migrated south to Spain and

married families there.

 

I think if you have Kurdish background, you might come from Sephardic

or Oriental (that's like Yemenite or Indian extraction). It sounds

really interesting....

 

Debbie

 

 

Muy interesante, Debbie! That's so cool that you are the local

authority on kosher veggie stuff :) My mom just recently divorced

and is rediscovering her " Jewish self " and just recently made the

switch to pesco-ovo-lacto vegetarianism. I keep sending her the

Jewish singles that crazyhistorian sends, but I think she's starting

to get annoyed with me. Besides which, she's in S. Jersey, not

N.Jersey. It's great that there's something out there like that,

though. My sister also recently made the switch to vegetarianism.

I'm contagious!!!! LOL!

 

Don't know much about *my* background except that one of my cousins

has a rare blood abnormality (not life-threatening -- just unique)

that is specific to Kurds. Which would explain why my beautiful

Bubby and her sisters are so dark-skinned. My Bubby (the cutest Bubby

in the world!) looks Indian, my father looks like an Arab, and my

sister looks Armenian. No one has figured out what I look like. I'm

the " pale " one. My sister and I are pretty much mutts. English,

Alsatian, Russian, (Kurdish?), Polish ... And as for the Jewish

bits -- I don't even know what kind of Jews we were... My great,

great, great grandfather wore payos (sp?) and lots of black...

That's Hacidic?

 

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you folks certainly know a lot more about yer families then i could ever know

about mine

after my father's father, it gets all murky...

i just pretend i'm heir to the throne of palermo and leave it at that

fraggle

 

 

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>Man!  I want a family geneologist, too!  I've always wanted to do that, but it

takes so much time and my family has not really kept up with their ancestry :(

 That is wonderful that you know so much about where you came from!  I loved the

" boring rye bread Ashkenazic " comment, btw :)  I have some suspicions of my own

about my background due to my fave food obsessions:  dolmades (stuffed grape

leaves,) falafel, anything with tahini in it, etc... stinky, swarthy, garlic-y,

salty foods = YUMMY!!!!!  LOL!

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Debbie

 

> (Ok -- I'm sure that's enough.... sorry, but it's a fast day today

> and I have a lot of time and no one to talk to..... only 21 more

> hours of this.....)

 

It's very interesting - you can talk some more if you like.

 

Jo

 

 

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Man! I want a family geneologist, too! I've always wanted to do that, but it takes so much time and my family has not really kept up with their ancestry :( That is wonderful that you know so much about where you came from! I loved the "boring rye bread Ashkenazic" comment, btw :) I have some suspicions of my own about my background due to my fave food obsessions: dolmades (stuffed grape leaves,) falafel, anything with tahini in it, etc... stinky, swarthy, garlic-y, salty foods = YUMMY!!!!! LOL!

 

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Thursday, July 18, 2002 8:57 AM

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B"HThat's really interesting. My background is mostly just boring rye bread Ashkenazic, but I'm obsessed with everything Sephardic. I and two other cousins (I'm the hub betweeen them because I know them both very well, but they barely know each other -- one lives in Arizona, the other in Israel ;-) are the family genealogists. My cousin in Israel recently sent me something that traces one of our family lines back to medieval Spain. They went from Spain to Czechoslovakia.I also have part of a link back to the famous (well, famous in the Jewish community anyway ;-) biblical commentator Rashi (Shlomo -- Solomon -- the son of Yitzchak -- Isaac) who lived in Troyes, France in the 11th (and early 12th) Century. He only had daughters and it seems like some of his descendents migrated south to Spain and married families there.I think if you have Kurdish background, you might come from Sephardic or Oriental (that's like Yemenite or Indian extraction). It sounds really interesting....DebbieMuy interesante, Debbie! That's so cool that you are the local authority on kosher veggie stuff :) My mom just recently divorced and is rediscovering her "Jewish self" and just recently made the switch to pesco-ovo-lacto vegetarianism. I keep sending her the Jewish singles that crazyhistorian sends, but I think she's starting to get annoyed with me. Besides which, she's in S. Jersey, not N.Jersey. It's great that there's something out there like that, though. My sister also recently made the switch to vegetarianism. I'm contagious!!!! LOL!Don't know much about *my* background except that one of my cousins has a rare blood abnormality (not life-threatening -- just unique) that is specific to Kurds. Which would explain why my beautiful Bubby and her sisters are so dark-skinned. My Bubby (the cutest Bubby in the world!) looks Indian, my father looks like an Arab, and my sister looks Armenian. No one has figured out what I look like. I'm the "pale" one. My sister and I are pretty much mutts. English, Alsatian, Russian, (Kurdish?), Polish ... And as for the Jewish bits -- I don't even know what kind of Jews we were... My great, great, great grandfather wore payos (sp?) and lots of black... That's Hacidic?-- jojoTo send an email to -

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Hi Fraggle

 

> you folks certainly know a lot more about yer families then i could ever

know about mine

 

Well, I may as well stick my 2 pence worth in here....

 

My family is English, English and a bit more English. I've managed to trace

293 of my ancestors, and every single one of them is English!! Right back to

1540 on one branch, 1580s on another, and early 1600s on another - all

English. Not even so much as a Welshman amongst them! And my surname

pre-dates the Norman invasion - in the space of a thousand years, my surname

has moved less than 50 miles!

 

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that is sorta scary all in all....

fraggle

 

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>Hi Fraggle

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>> you folks certainly know a lot more about yer families then i could ever

>know about mine

>

>Well, I may as well stick my 2 pence worth in here....

>

>My family is English, English and a bit more English. I've managed to trace

>293 of my ancestors, and every single one of them is English!! Right back to

>1540 on one branch, 1580s on another, and early 1600s on another - all

>English. Not even so much as a Welshman amongst them! And my surname

>pre-dates the Norman invasion - in the space of a thousand years, my surname

>has moved less than 50 miles!

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Yeay Jojo!!!

I am also a Sephardic Jew whose ancestors immigrated to Greece from Spain durin the Spanish

Inquisition(?). My great-grandparents spoke solimente Ladino and it all that wonderful Spanish

Greek-Turkish food and cooking seemed to all go down the drain with my grandmother who only ate bread!

I really want to learn more about my family before me because this assimilation crap is for the birds!

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Glad to hear that -- especially AFTER the last post I just sent ;-)

 

I actually have a bunch of essays I wrote about Judaism (one of them

is about veganism and Judaism) that I'm planning on putting together

and get up on line (I used to have them on line at one of those click-

to-read and we'll pay you for the readers, but I never saw a cent of

that money....). I have a pretty unique perception of things ;-)

 

Debbie

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Debbie

 

> (Ok -- I'm sure that's enough.... sorry, but it's a fast day today

> and I have a lot of time and no one to talk to..... only 21 more

> hours of this.....)

 

It's very interesting - you can talk some more if you like.

 

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Cool!

 

I'm obsessed with all things Sephardic. I have been for most of my

life (since I found out that there were Sephardic Jews ;-) -- I'm

kind of an adopted Sephardi.

 

Debbie

 

 

 

 

Yeay Jojo!!!

 

I am also a Sephardic Jew whose ancestors immigrated to Greece from

Spain durin the Spanish Inquisition(?). My great-grandparents spoke

solimente Ladino and it all that wonderful Spanish Greek-Turkish food

and cooking seemed to all go down the drain with my grandmother who

only ate bread!

 

I really want to learn more about my family before me because this

assimilation crap is for the birds!

 

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Hi Peter,

Thanks for taking pity on me. I'll try to behave but...

 

Thats really impressive family history. Having already mentioned c*ts

twice, I'll now break another rule.

 

I'm in the middle of testing my new UK genealogy web site

http://www.curiousfox.com...

 

You can use it free or pay but anybody interested can join up and

instead of paying, go the the button that says pay by cheque and send

me an email at the site swearing they are a good ethical vegan

instead

of sending a cheque.

 

rosanne

>

> My family is English, English and a bit more English. I've managed

to trace

> 293 of my ancestors, and every single one of them is English!!

Right back to

> 1540 on one branch, 1580s on another, and early 1600s on another -

all

> English. Not even so much as a Welshman amongst them! And my surname

> pre-dates the Norman invasion - in the space of a thousand years,

my surname

> has moved less than 50 miles!

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> BB

> Peter

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>> i just pretend i'm heir to the throne of palermo and leave it at that

 

And you just might be! You're not lying because you can't prove that you're not, right? :)

 

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Thursday, July 18, 2002 9:49 AM

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you folks certainly know a lot more about yer families then i could ever know about mineafter my father's father, it gets all murky...i just pretend i'm heir to the throne of palermo and leave it at thatfraggle"jojo" <tofujojo wrote:>Man! I want a family geneologist, too! I've always wanted to do that, but it takes so much time and my family has not really kept up with their ancestry :( That is wonderful that you know so much about where you came from! I loved the "boring rye bread Ashkenazic" comment, btw :) I have some suspicions of my own about my background due to my fave food obsessions: dolmades (stuffed grape leaves,) falafel, anything with tahini in it, etc... stinky, swarthy, garlic-y, salty foods = YUMMY!!!!! LOL!>>-- jojo> -To send an email to -

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I'm not a very good Jew. I don't really identify very much with my Jewish

heritage -- although I'm interested in learning more about where I came

from. I've attended a synagogue service once and I've witnessed countless

bar/bat mitzvahs. If I had to pick a religion I would say I'm probably

closer to a Unitarian Universalist or a Quaker in my beliefs. So I can't

really answer your question. My parents are not very religious (although my

mother is making an effort these days) and not even my grandparents attend

services or keep kosher. So it really hasn't been a problem in that sense.

My grandparents are finally convinced that I'm not going to die of

malnourishment (as I think is the case when any kid up and decides to become

vegetarian -- Jewish or not) although my Mom-Mom (my other bubby) thinks I

need to gain some weight. But that's neither here nor there.... :)

 

Whew!

 

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Thursday, July 18, 2002 8:10 AM

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> Hi Debbie / Jojo

>

> 'Scuse me being nosey, but I have to ask....

>

> Do either of you have any problems amongst the Jewish community for being

> vegan? The reason I ask is that from the perspective of a gentile

interested

> in all religions, there seems to be a few things in Jewish scripture /

lore

> (whatever) that I would have thought vegans would have been unable to

stick

> to. I'm guessing that it's probably only ultra-Orthodox Jews who stick to

> every bit of minutia, but I just wondered if it did make it difficult.

>

> BB

> Peter

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Wow! Now I really feel like a mutt... :)

 

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Thursday, July 18, 2002 1:16 PM

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Hi Fraggle> you folks certainly know a lot more about yer families then i could everknow about mineWell, I may as well stick my 2 pence worth in here....My family is English, English and a bit more English. I've managed to trace293 of my ancestors, and every single one of them is English!! Right back to1540 on one branch, 1580s on another, and early 1600s on another - allEnglish. Not even so much as a Welshman amongst them! And my surnamepre-dates the Norman invasion - in the space of a thousand years, my surnamehas moved less than 50 miles!BBPeter---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release 10/07/02To send an email to -

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Your grandmother lived on bread alone? "One cannot live on bread alone!"...where is that from?

 

That's so sad --- that food is all so gooooood!!! Why is it that everyone who comes to America just wants to blend in? It seems that in other countries, that's not so much the case as it is here. Maybe it's just because a lot of families have been her for so long...

 

-- jojo

 

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Thursday, July 18, 2002 1:51 PM

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Yeay Jojo!!!

I am also a Sephardic Jew whose ancestors immigrated to Greece from Spain durin the Spanish

Inquisition(?). My great-grandparents spoke solimente Ladino and it all that wonderful Spanish

Greek-Turkish food and cooking seemed to all go down the drain with my grandmother who only ate bread!

I really want to learn more about my family before me because this assimilation crap is for the birds!

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Hi Jojo

 

> If I had to pick a religion I would say I'm probably

> closer to a Unitarian Universalist or a Quaker in my beliefs.

 

Here's something amusing - I found a website a while ago where you answered

questions about your beliefs and it told you what religion you were. I came

out 98% Quaker - from what I could gather, the only difference was that I

don't believe in any gods. OK, I know that's a pretty big difference, but

still. Anyway, ever since then, I've been known to some of my friends as a

Quaker-Pagan!

 

BB

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Hi Rosanne

 

> Thats really impressive family history. Having already mentioned c*ts

> twice

 

Actually, mentioning cats is not breaking a rule - it was the one specific

argument about them that was the problem.

 

> I'll now break another rule.

 

I see no rules broken anywhere. I don't see any problems with members

advertising their websites - as long as they don't join the list just to

advertise! :-)

 

> I'm in the middle of testing my new UK genealogy web site

> http://www.curiousfox.com...

> You can use it free or pay but anybody interested can join up and

> instead of paying, go the the button that says pay by cheque and send

> me an email at the site swearing they are a good ethical vegan

> instead of sending a cheque.

 

Ooh - yes please. Will do sometime over the weekend :-)

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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Peter

 

Do you think we can claim squatters rights yet???

 

Jo

 

>> Well, I may as well stick my 2 pence worth in here....

>

> My family is English, English and a bit more English. I've managed to

trace

> 293 of my ancestors, and every single one of them is English!! Right back

to

> 1540 on one branch, 1580s on another, and early 1600s on another - all

> English. Not even so much as a Welshman amongst them! And my surname

> pre-dates the Norman invasion - in the space of a thousand years, my

surname

> has moved less than 50 miles!

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only if you vote tory....

and have the signatures of 37 lords....

then, after filling out the " home use land charter " form 10wzx4 (in triplicate),

and sending it off to yer MP, then, you will know in 2-17 yrs

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>Peter

>

>Do you think we can claim squatters rights yet???

>

>Jo

>

>>> Well, I may as well stick my 2 pence worth in here....

>>

>> My family is English, English and a bit more English. I've managed to

>trace

>> 293 of my ancestors, and every single one of them is English!! Right back

>to

>> 1540 on one branch, 1580s on another, and early 1600s on another - all

>> English. Not even so much as a Welshman amongst them! And my surname

>> pre-dates the Norman invasion - in the space of a thousand years, my

>surname

>> has moved less than 50 miles!

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>> BB

>> Peter

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Well, with us, it all started when my grandfather died. We went

through his stuff and in his stuff were some notes about my great-

grandfather's family (this is my grandmother's father -- my

grandfather was not only his son-in-law but his protege too). My

grandfather was a genealogist (in addition to being a Kashrut and

Congregational Rabbi) and had done some research on Jews in Eastern

Europe. Most of his notes on this were in German (his sister, who is

currently living, KI " H, AMUSH -- [these are two Hebrew appreviations

meaning " without the evil eye " and " may she live to 120 " -- which is

the age Moses lived to and, therefore, traditionally the longest

life] in Israel -- and will be, G-d willing, 90 in November, is

translating and transcribing them [she's been working on this for

around 10 or so years]).....

 

Anyway, my great-grandfather wrote some books on Responsa (questions

and answers asked of him by his congregants over the years on Jewish

law) -- 3 in total. The third volume was published after he died and

contained a very nice biography (which my brother and I translated

since most of our relatives don't understand -- or even read --

Hebrew) -- the problem with translating it was that most of it was

written in biblical and talmudic and poetic Hebrew which sounds

lovely in Hebrew, but can sound trite if translated word for word in

English... But I digress....

 

In the introduction of each volume (which I have reproduced and

translated for my web site on my family page) mentioned several

Rabbis that my great-grandfather was descended from. Some of them

were famous enough in Jewish circles that I could get information on

them from Jewish Encyclopedias (which I was able to find in my

college's library).

 

In the meantime, my two cousins (both of whom are considerably

younger than I -- both are in their 20s now while I'm in my late 40s)

got interested in this too (both when they were in their mid teens).

The one in Israel (who is my 2nd cousin -- her grandmother and my

grandmother were the first two of 9 children) got interested when her

father bought a program that was a genealogy database. So she and I

shared information. The one who lives in Arizona (whose parents are

both my 3rd cousins -- and they're each others' 3rd cousins too ;-)

and he became very interested in finding out if we were indeed

descended from Rashi (who is the first commentator children learn on

the Torah -- I find it amazing how much of what he said I remember

from elementary and High School)......

 

It's really nice when you find out that you're descended from famous

Rabbis. It's much easier to trace things..... (probably the most

famous person you all might have heard of that we are related to -- I

think something like 8th cousins 6 times removed or 6th cousins 8

times removed, I forget what I figured out -- is Karl Marx.)

 

Debbie

 

 

 

Man! I want a family geneologist, too! I've always wanted to do

that, but it takes so much time and my family has not really kept up

with their ancestry :( That is wonderful that you know so much about

where you came from! I loved the " boring rye bread Ashkenazic "

comment, btw :) I have some suspicions of my own about my background

due to my fave food obsessions: dolmades (stuffed grape leaves,)

falafel, anything with tahini in it, etc... stinky, swarthy, garlic-

y, salty foods = YUMMY!!!!! LOL!

 

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Quaker-Pagan, hmmm?...

 

:)

 

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Friday, July 19, 2002 9:26 AM

Re: Yiddish (and Ladino) Lesson.....

 

 

> Hi Jojo

>

> > If I had to pick a religion I would say I'm probably

> > closer to a Unitarian Universalist or a Quaker in my beliefs.

>

> Here's something amusing - I found a website a while ago where you

answered

> questions about your beliefs and it told you what religion you were. I

came

> out 98% Quaker - from what I could gather, the only difference was that I

> don't believe in any gods. OK, I know that's a pretty big difference, but

> still. Anyway, ever since then, I've been known to some of my friends as a

> Quaker-Pagan!

>

> BB

> Peter

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B " H

 

I'm curious where this site is. I'd like to test it out (since I'm so

Jewish it's scary ;-) If they don't call me Jewish, they're way off

;-)

 

Debbie

 

 

 

Quaker-Pagan, hmmm?...

 

:)

 

jojo

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Friday, July 19, 2002 9:26 AM

Re: Yiddish (and Ladino) Lesson.....

 

 

> Hi Jojo

>

> > If I had to pick a religion I would say I'm probably

> > closer to a Unitarian Universalist or a Quaker in my beliefs.

>

> Here's something amusing - I found a website a while ago where you

answered

> questions about your beliefs and it told you what religion you

were. I

came

> out 98% Quaker - from what I could gather, the only difference was

that I

> don't believe in any gods. OK, I know that's a pretty big

difference, but

> still. Anyway, ever since then, I've been known to some of my

friends as a

> Quaker-Pagan!

>

> BB

> Peter

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