Guest guest Posted July 26, 2002 Report Share Posted July 26, 2002 B " H B'Ezrat Hashem (which means with the help of G-d). Oh, BTW, it seems someone asked me a while back (I've been really snowed under lately -- I apologize for not mentioning it earlier) why I write " G-d " instead of spelling out the generally accepted English word for the one and only deity. It's a bit complicated and really sort of unnecessary, but I'll try to explain it the best I can.... When the name of G-d is written out (in its Hebrew forms) in full, the paper one writes it on cannot, according to Jewish law, be thrown in the garbage (or even recycling). It has to be buried in a cemetary. (These papers with G-d's name on them are called " sheimot " which is Hebrew for " names " -- the area where they are buried are called a geniza -- often old books and documents are excavated centuries later and found to be in very good and readable condition) Because of this, we have developed a method to make it easier to dispose of these papers -- we use a " nickname " for G-d or leave out a letter or change a letter. We all know what these " nicknames " mean (this is often done when special blessings are said in special settings and people don't know the blessings by heart, so papers are printed up with G-d's nicknames -- Hashem, used above, BTW, is one of them and literally means " the name " ). Anyway, while doing this is unnecessary according to Jewish law for words that describe G-d in languages other than Hebrew, we generally do this for them anyway. I have gotten Torah words in Spanish where they write D-os. BTW, it's really not necessary at all on computers, but I figure I don't know if anyone will print it out and not know the proper way to dispose of things, so even on my web site I would write it in the " nickname " format. Debbie What does B " H mean? I notice it at the start of all your messages. Lesley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2002 Report Share Posted July 26, 2002 On Fri Jul 26, 2002, compugraphd wrote: > > When the name of G-d is written out (in its Hebrew forms) in full, > the paper one writes it on cannot, according to Jewish law, be thrown > in the garbage (or even recycling). It has to be buried in a > cemetary. (These papers with G-d's name on them are called " sheimot " > which is Hebrew for " names " -- the area where they are buried are > called a geniza -- often old books and documents are excavated > centuries later and found to be in very good and readable condition) > > Because of this, we have developed a method to make it easier to > dispose of these papers -- we use a " nickname " for G-d or leave out a > letter or change a letter. We all know what these " nicknames " mean > (this is often done when special blessings are said in special > settings and people don't know the blessings by heart, so papers are > printed up with G-d's nicknames -- Hashem, used above, BTW, is one of > them and literally means " the name " ). Anyway, while doing this is > unnecessary according to Jewish law for words that describe G-d in > languages other than Hebrew, we generally do this for them anyway. I > have gotten Torah words in Spanish where they write D-os. Thanks for the explanation Debbie Joel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2002 Report Share Posted July 26, 2002 Hey Debbie We don't all believe there is only or just one deity! Jo > I write " G-d " instead of spelling out the generally accepted English > word for the one and only deity. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release 10/07/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2002 Report Share Posted July 26, 2002 Hi Debbie > I write " G-d " instead of spelling out the generally accepted English > word for the one and only deity. Erm - which one would that be? Could you possibly narrow it down at least to the appropriate pantheon? BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release 10/07/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2002 Report Share Posted July 26, 2002 and some of us don't believe in dieties at all fraggle *waits for lightening bolts* " Heartwork " <Heartwork wrote: >Hey Debbie > >We don't all believe there is only or just one deity! > >Jo > >> I write " G-d " instead of spelling out the generally accepted English >> word for the one and only deity. > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release 10/07/02 > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2002 Report Share Posted July 26, 2002 Sorry - that's what I meant (got my words mixed up!) It should have been 'any or just' Jo > and some of us don't believe in dieties at all > fraggle > *waits for lightening bolts* > > " Heartwork " <Heartwork wrote: > > >Hey Debbie > > > >We don't all believe there is only or just one deity! > > > >Jo > > > >> I write " G-d " instead of spelling out the generally accepted English > >> word for the one and only deity. > > > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release 10/07/02 > > > > > > > >To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2002 Report Share Posted July 26, 2002 Not even Bacchus?? ;-) , EBbrewpunx@c... wrote: > and some of us don't believe in dieties at all > fraggle > *waits for lightening bolts* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2002 Report Share Posted July 26, 2002 i don't believe in em..just worship em hahahahahah one must cover all bases ain't that right bacchus/cthulhu/dionysus/ceres/eris/siduri..??!!!??? *smiles* fraggle " quercusrobur2002 " <grahamburnett wrote: >Not even Bacchus?? > >;-) > >, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote: >> and some of us don't believe in dieties at all >> fraggle >> *waits for lightening bolts* >> > > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2002 Report Share Posted July 27, 2002 neat-o! I was wondering about that, too... -- jojo --- compugraphd <compugraphd wrote: > B " H > > B'Ezrat Hashem (which means with the help of G-d). > > Oh, BTW, it seems someone asked me a while back > (I've been really > snowed under lately -- I apologize for not > mentioning it earlier) why > I write " G-d " instead of spelling out the generally > accepted English > word for the one and only deity. It's a bit > complicated and really > sort of unnecessary, but I'll try to explain it the > best I can.... > > When the name of G-d is written out (in its Hebrew > forms) in full, > the paper one writes it on cannot, according to > Jewish law, be thrown > in the garbage (or even recycling). It has to be > buried in a > cemetary. (These papers with G-d's name on them are > called " sheimot " > which is Hebrew for " names " -- the area where they > are buried are > called a geniza -- often old books and documents are > excavated > centuries later and found to be in very good and > readable condition) > > Because of this, we have developed a method to make > it easier to > dispose of these papers -- we use a " nickname " for > G-d or leave out a > letter or change a letter. We all know what these > " nicknames " mean > (this is often done when special blessings are said > in special > settings and people don't know the blessings by > heart, so papers are > printed up with G-d's nicknames -- Hashem, used > above, BTW, is one of > them and literally means " the name " ). Anyway, while > doing this is > unnecessary according to Jewish law for words that > describe G-d in > languages other than Hebrew, we generally do this > for them anyway. I > have gotten Torah words in Spanish where they write > D-os. > > BTW, it's really not necessary at all on computers, > but I figure I > don't know if anyone will print it out and not know > the proper way to > dispose of things, so even on my web site I would > write it in > the " nickname " format. > > Debbie > > > > > > What does B " H mean? I notice it at the start of all > your messages. > > Lesley > > Health - Feel better, live better http://health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2002 Report Share Posted July 27, 2002 >We don't all believe there is only or just one deity! Hmm, I'm betting you'll be told that you're just splitting hairs and that actually you both belive in the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2002 Report Share Posted July 28, 2002 I'm not a betting girl, but I'm hoping that certain people on this list stop picking apart everything that certain other people on this list say. It's getting really old. I started avoiding alt.food.vegan because of the trolls, but this is almost worse... Why can't we all just get along ?!!! -- jojo Mavreela wrote: >We don't all believe there is only or just one deity!Hmm, I'm betting you'll be told that you're just splitting hairs and that actually you both belive in the same thing.To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2002 Report Share Posted July 28, 2002 >I'm not a betting girl, but I'm hoping that certain people on this list >stop picking apart everything that certain other people on this list say. As you quoted a message from me should I take it I am a certain person? Please say if you do, I won't mind. Personally though I agree with the sentiment of what you said, I just happened to think that a discussion on the underlaying ethics of why we are vegans would be both interesting and relevant, instead though I was insulted so I hope you can understand my feeling bitter about it. My experience though suggests that this message will also be accused of picking apart which makes me feel I'm in a position where I will be chastised for whatever I do so will bother this list no more. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2002 Report Share Posted July 28, 2002 Michael, I was in no way suggesting (or even thinking) that you should leave the list. My point was merely that this was becoming a place where people are growing increasingly hostile. I really didn't wan't to be part of the argument as it was not my argument, but I like all of the people involved in the argument and was not enjoying seeing them go at each other. That is all. I spent part of this weekend with my father's side of the family and watched them tear at each other's hearts like a band of vultures, so I'm a little sensitive about that sort of thing right now... -- jojo Mavreela wrote: >I'm not a betting girl, but I'm hoping that certain people on this list >stop picking apart everything that certain other people on this list say.As you quoted a message from me should I take it I am a certain person? Please say if you do, I won't mind.Personally though I agree with the sentiment of what you said, I just happened to think that a discussion on the underlaying ethics of why we are vegans would be both interesting and relevant, instead though I was insulted so I hope you can understand my feeling bitter about it.My experience though suggests that this message will also be accused of picking apart which makes me feel I'm in a position where I will be chastised for whatever I do so will bother this list no more.MichaelTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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