Guest guest Posted August 18, 2002 Report Share Posted August 18, 2002 In a message dated 8/18/2002 5:48:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rzanuk writes: He had absolutuely no idea that a cow only produced milk if it was constantly having calves. Oh my goodness! Neither did I! Does this mean in factory farming that milk cows are inseminated and birthing calves while in holding stalls? Dear God!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2002 Report Share Posted August 18, 2002 What do mature experts vegan feel about dairy and eggs from farms that treat the animal " suposedly good " like biological & biodynamic farms; I feel any way that we don't need them any way since milk is for babies'cow and eggs for themselfs to make more birds... Are those places a torture for the animal too? Do they end up in a bad manner too, badly killed ? Any body knows ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2002 Report Share Posted August 18, 2002 There's still the question of what happens to the male calves and chicks - and what do they do with the cows and chickens when they are no longer producing profitable amounts of milk or eggs? Can't imagine they pension them off into old age - it just wouldn't pay. A dairy cow is usually burnt out by about 6, but the natural lifespan of a cow is more like 20 ... At 08:52 PM 8/18/2002 +0000, you wrote: >What do mature experts vegan feel about dairy and eggs from farms >that treat the animal " suposedly good " like biological & biodynamic >farms; I feel any way that we don't need them any way since milk is >for babies'cow and eggs for themselfs to make more birds... >Are those places a torture for the animal too? Do they end up in a >bad manner too, badly killed ? Any body knows ? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2002 Report Share Posted August 18, 2002 You can't have milk without baby cows. Boy's get the chop, and some of the little girl cows too as there are too many of them.. You can't have egg layers without too many useless cockerels hatching out of the eggs as well. They get the chop. The first vegan I ever knew was a city dwelling veggie who stayed on my smallholding and was so disgusted about cows and chickens he went vegan. He had absolutuely no idea that a cow only produced milk if it was constantly having calves. When I had self sufficiency smallholding I had really high welfare standards and everything was killed in the nicest possible way ( butcher came to farm,no animal knew what was happening elsewhere etc) but it was still horrible. I went veggie when someone challenged me to kill an ill baby rabbit myself and I couldn't do it. Smallholding veggies were real hypocrites though. They used to give us all their male goat kids so their consciences were clear - but knew exactly what would happen to them. Life changed and farming went but it took many many years before the penny dropped that eggs and milk were still animal exploitation. I am sure that if many well meaning " meat is disgusting " veggies saw behind the scenes they would go vegan. Rosanne , " ibizkus " <ibyza2001@h...> wrote: > What do mature experts vegan feel about dairy and eggs from farms > that treat the animal " suposedly good " like biological & biodynamic > farms; I feel any way that we don't need them any way since milk is > for babies'cow and eggs for themselfs to make more birds... > Are those places a torture for the animal too? Do they end up in a > bad manner too, badly killed ? Any body knows ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 You know that those animals will eventually be killed for "food". It doesn't make any difference whether they are killed nicely or not ... either way, they will be dead by murder, not by natural causes. Farmers can't afford to keep these animals until they die of old age, so sooner or later, they will end up on somebody's dinner plate. And I think most vegans stop eating animal products for their health too ... at least I do. Werner. ---- Sunday, August 18, 2002 3:52:18 PM any feed back on biological farming What do mature experts vegan feel about dairy and eggs from farms that treat the animal "suposedly good" like biological & biodynamic farms; I feel any way that we don't need them any way since milk is for babies'cow and eggs for themselfs to make more birds...Are those places a torture for the animal too? Do they end up in a bad manner too, badly killed ? Any body knows ?To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2002 Report Share Posted August 19, 2002 As far as I understand from reading veggie literature and from some photos',Dairy cows,Hens and race- Horses usually end up as Dog and cat food,Does anyone else know of any other use the insane do with such Animals? , Tracy Hartley <mekn46@d...> wrote: > There's still the question of what happens to the male calves and chicks - > and what do they do with the cows and chickens when they are no longer > producing profitable amounts of milk or eggs? Can't imagine they pension > them off into old age - it just wouldn't pay. A dairy cow is usually burnt > out by about 6, but the natural lifespan of a cow is more like 20 ... > > At 08:52 PM 8/18/2002 +0000, you wrote: > >What do mature experts vegan feel about dairy and eggs from farms > >that treat the animal " suposedly good " like biological & biodynamic > >farms; I feel any way that we don't need them any way since milk is > >for babies'cow and eggs for themselfs to make more birds... > >Are those places a torture for the animal too? Do they end up in a > >bad manner too, badly killed ? Any body knows ? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 even if they treat the animals " humanely " , there is a profit motive to get the cowes to produce more milk plus, a cow has to get pregnant and give birth to give milk..wot happens to the calk? thats its food...if its lucky, the calk is a female and will be another milk cow, tho, it might just end up as a veal calf, or end up at the rendering plant... chickens are kept in small cages, so called free range chickens are just allowed to be crammed on a floor instead of a cage.... i use to have chickens and geese, i ate there eggs, i had rescued the chickens from the pound....i figured, i feed them, i give them a good home, they feed me.. i wouldn't do it today.. i miss em tho, they were fun and cute.... fraggle " ibizkus " <ibyza2001 wrote: >What do mature experts vegan feel about dairy and eggs from farms >that treat the animal " suposedly good " like biological & biodynamic >farms; I feel any way that we don't need them any way since milk is >for babies'cow and eggs for themselfs to make more birds... >Are those places a torture for the animal too? Do they end up in a >bad manner too, badly killed ? Any body knows ? > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 not this lil fraggle health reasons were pretty dang far down the list..tho, i know lots that do quit meat fer health reasons... fraggle " Werner " <mejda6 wrote: >You know that those animals will eventually be killed for " food " . It doesn >t make any difference whether they are killed nicely or not ... either way, >they will be dead by murder, not by natural causes. Farmers can't afford to >keep these animals until they die of old age, so sooner or later, they will >end up on somebody's dinner plate. And I think most vegans stop eating >animal products for their health too ... at least I do. > >Werner. > > > >---- > > > > > >Sunday, August 18, 2002 3:52:18 PM > > > > any feed back on biological farming > > > >What do mature experts vegan feel about dairy and eggs from farms > >that treat the animal " suposedly good " like biological & biodynamic > >farms; I feel any way that we don't need them any way since milk is > >for babies'cow and eggs for themselfs to make more birds... > >Are those places a torture for the animal too? Do they end up in a > >bad manner too, badly killed ? Any body knows ? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 yup sux don't it!!! i saw a veal farm 2 weeks ago coming back from the sierra foothills little cows out in the sun chained to little doghouses..... fraggle yumhummus wrote: >In a message dated 8/18/2002 5:48:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >rzanuk writes: > > >> He had absolutuely no idea that a cow only produced milk if it >> was constantly having calves. > >Oh my goodness! Neither did I! >Does this mean in factory farming that milk cows are inseminated and birthing >calves while in holding stalls? >Dear God!!!! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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