Gorillas, Chimps and Humans...oh my!

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy ;=) You said it better than I. I shoulda read further down the

digest before responding ;=)

 

Best for 2004,

 

Pat / London, Ontario

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* " There are too many idiots in this world. And having said it, I have

the burden of proving it. " (Franz Fanon)

* " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man

will not himself find peace. " (Albert Schweitzer)

[Guest guest]

The best explanation for why meat eating isn't natural for humans is

that people have to cook it to avoid throwing up. (Of course this

doesn't work for fish). Now other animal has to cut up meat with a

knife and cook it in order to eat it. But I generally steer clear of

the whole " meateating is not natural " argument. The point is even if

it were " natural " doesn't make it a good idea and certainly doesn't

make it right. Male gorillas will kill infant gorillas if they were

fathered by other males in order to get females to mate with them;

(the logic here is that if he is strong enough to get past the mother

and kill her baby he would make a good protector of his own

children). Chimpanzee males will beat their mates to keep them from

mating with others. But I hope you'll agree with me that this

doesn't make wife-beating or infanticide okay. Most (male) primates

can be pretty violent (with the exception of muriquis, who are true

pacifists). But there's no biological reason why any human should

eat meat, it all comes down to hedonism / ignorance.

>

> > one other funny thing, I notice alot of you ladies have meat

eating husbands or boyfriends that you would rather go vegi...

and whats funny is alot of ladies I talk to on the net are trying

>to talk me into eating dead animals again.

>

Hey Dave you should check out www.veggiedate.com It's free;

Maybe you can find a nice veggie woman on there.

[Guest guest]

> >

> Hey Dave you should check out www.veggiedate.com It's free;

> Maybe you can find a nice veggie woman on there.

 

 

I wish that were true. Last I checked, you can post a free profile,

but if you want to correspond with anyone, you have to pay. There

are also a lot of inactive people still listed on the site. So, I

don't mean to necessarily dissuade anyone from trying this method,

but beware that it is not free if you want any dates.

[Guest guest]

Hmm, some interesting points there.

 

My two cents' worth:

 

The human, like the brown bear, is an omnivore. We're basically

designed for maximum survivability in situations of fluctuating food-

supply, and that means being able to eat a fair variety of foods.

Including meat, if that's the only nutritious food available. We

don't have a protruding jaw with carnivore-teeth because we don't

need them. We have hands and tools, which are more effective.

 

Interestingly, most apes are also omnivores. Although they may eat

what appears to us a very monotonous diet when their staple food is

in abundance, they may also turn to other foods (including meat!)

when the staple-food supply is short.

 

There is no correlation in the animal world between meat-eating and

aggressiveness; some of the most pointlessly-aggressive and bad-

tempered animals are strict veggies, while many pure meat-eaters are

relatively docile and sociable except when hunting.

 

While most species of human are unable to eat raw meat, that is not

universally true, I believe the Inuit eat a substantial part of their

meat raw, and this does not appear to have any adverse effects on

their health. (not that I'd advise trying it, please note!)

 

Interestingly, it also seems that the various nomads in diverse parts

of the world who subsist almost wholly on (cooked) meat from their

herds generally have very good health, possibly better than ours.

 

The main issue for us in the developed world, I think is not whether

we are designed to handle meat, but that the meat itself carries so

many health-risks with it. The meat we eat (or refuse!) here is

hardly the same thing as a freshly-hunted reindeer or seal. Diseases

borne by intensively-farmed animals like BSE, plus antibiotics and

homones injected into the animal... all pose a health risk to the

eater, and are the reason why more and more of this omnivore species

now refuses meat.

 

 

Going on the Net today?

Wy not visit http://www.tibetsupport.org.uk

and support the cause of the Tibetan people.

[Guest guest]

I agree that this is very important ;=) However, some of us actually

believe that, even if meat were healthy, eating our fellow creatures is

wrong. I am one of those.

 

Best,

Pat

>

> The main issue for us in the developed world, I think is not whether

> we are designed to handle meat, but that the meat itself carries so

> many health-risks with it. The meat we eat (or refuse!) here is

> hardly the same thing as a freshly-hunted reindeer or seal. Diseases

> borne by intensively-farmed animals like BSE, plus antibiotics and

> homones injected into the animal... all pose a health risk to the

> eater, and are the reason why more and more of this omnivore species

> now refuses meat.

 

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SANTBROWN

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* " There are too many idiots in this world. And having said it, I have

the burden of proving it. " (Franz Fanon)

* " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man

will not himself find peace. " (Albert Schweitzer)

[Guest guest]

Same here. But, I think it is somehow more wrong to eat meat when it

is unhealthy. It makes it not only cruel but completely unecessary.

 

, Sant & Brown

<santbrown@l...> wrote:

> I agree that this is very important ;=) However, some of us actually

> believe that, even if meat were healthy, eating our fellow

creatures is

> wrong. I am one of those.

>

> Best,

> Pat