Guest guest Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 In a message dated 12/30/03 9:36:54 AM, writes: > > Similarly, I always found it interesting that dogs can go vegan, but > > cats are unable to stay healthy on a vegan/vegetarian diet. > > Indeed. My (neutered) bulimic male feline still eats (siggghhh) > human-grade me*t kibble. It's not possible to find veggie food for him > here in London, and I prefer not to hassle it. > speaking as the owner of two previously bulemic cats, it's the unfortunate truth that cats aren't designed to eat most carbohydrates. dogs can do really well on a vegan diet if you do it right, but cats can die from such a diet. i'm sure there are some cats out there that do just fine on a vegan diet, but then again, there are some people that do just fine living off mcdonalds and smoking. i'd be a lot more concerned that i'm doing everything i can to keep my cat as healthy as possible. plus, it was me who decided to bring the obligate carnivores into my house. the kibble is probably what is causing your cat to throw up so much. mine threw up every day from the day i adopted them, and i could not figure out why. this lasted three years, and suddenly my joanie lost about 2 lbs (a lot for a 6 lb. cat). her spine and ribs were sticking out, and she kept throwing up clear liquid and stayed under the bed all day (very unlike her). turns out that she has feline ibd (inflammatory bowel disease). my other cat, chachi, has it as well, but fortunately never got as sick as joanie did. the vet put them on a different kind of science diet kibble. he had them on science diet for months before due to what he said was a slight urinary problem that chachi had. i am convinced that the science diet stuff got joanie to get as sick as she did-- the ingredients are total crap. most kibble is almost completely by-products and fillers. science diet gets a good reputation because vets prescribe it like crazy. of course, they are paid by the company to do this, and are honestly under the delusion that it helps. unfortunately, most vets are NOT well-versed in pet nutrition, just like most physicians are not well-versed in people nutrition. the vet is the LAST place i'd get my nutritional information from, knowing what i know now. i joined the feline ibd and learned a LOT about cat nutrition. i changed their diet from kibble to a premium canned food with no by-products, wheat, oats, or corn. (most of the people on feline ibd are pro-raw-meat diet; it seems to work wonders for most cats, but i just can't bring myself to do it). check the following great websites for more info: www.catnutrition.org (and DEFINITELY look at the links page) http://www.blakkatz.com/dryfood.html hope this helps... melody http://www.melodysmusic.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2003 Report Share Posted December 31, 2003 I'm confused. I have never heard of bulimic cats. Can cats actually be bulimic like humans; in other words, do they intentionally binge and induce vomitting? Or is bulimic just used as a general term to describe cats who have trouble keeping their food down? I think the only problem with putting cats on a vegan diet is that they require very different levels of amino acids than us. If they get supplements for the amino acids they need, then I can't think of any reason why they would need meat. I think I've read that vegan cat food often doesn't have the proper amounts of amino acids in it. But it shouldn't matter whether the amino acids come from the lab or from meat. Then again, cats are fussy as hell, so maybe some of them would simply refuse to eat vegan food. , nadiana1@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 12/30/03 9:36:54 AM, > writes: > > > > > Similarly, I always found it interesting that dogs can go vegan, but > > > cats are unable to stay healthy on a vegan/vegetarian diet. > > > > Indeed. My (neutered) bulimic male feline still eats (siggghhh) > > human-grade me*t kibble. It's not possible to find veggie food for him > > here in London, and I prefer not to hassle it. > > > speaking as the owner of two previously bulemic cats, it's the unfortunate > truth that cats aren't designed to eat most carbohydrates. dogs can do really > well on a vegan diet if you do it right, but cats can die from such a diet. > i'm sure there are some cats out there that do just fine on a vegan diet, but > then again, there are some people that do just fine living off mcdonalds and > smoking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2003 Report Share Posted December 31, 2003 Thanks for those great links and enlightments ! ) Happy new year to you all ! , nadiana1@a... wrote: > check the following great websites for more info: > > www.catnutrition.org (and DEFINITELY look at the links page) > > http://www.blakkatz.com/dryfood.html > > hope this helps... > > melody > > http://www.melodysmusic.net > > > " There's a voice that keeps on calling me. Down the road. That's where I'll always be. Oh, every stop I make, I make a new friend. Can't stay for long. Just turn around, and I'm gone again. Maybe tomorrow, I'll want to settle down. Until tomorrow, I'll just keep movin' on. So, if you want to join me for awhile, just grab your hat, and we'll travel light. That's hobo style. Maybe tomorrow, I'll want to settle down. Until tomorrow, I'll just keep movin' on. Until tomorrow, the whole world is my home. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2003 Report Share Posted December 31, 2003 i think the thing is that a lot of people (and this coming from an animal lover) tend to anthropomorphize our pets (assign human qualities to them when they're not human). Cats, I do not believe, " intentionally " binge & purge as we are familiar with the term. yes, they yack up hairballs and the like, but to intentionally/willfully throw up, no. What sets us apart from animals is that we and not they have free will/the concious ability of choice. We choose to take certain actions. Animals take actions based on more instinctual needs. If a cat for some reason can't keep something down, then the instinct (like hairballs) is to yack it up. Hope that made some modicum of sense. I have two beers & two glasses of champagne under my belt at the moment. :-) Megan - I'm confused. I have never heard of bulimic cats. Can cats actually be bulimic like humans; in other words, do they intentionally binge and induce vomitting? Or is bulimic just used as a general term to describe cats who have trouble keeping their food down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2004 Report Share Posted January 1, 2004 I think I was the one who first used the word 'bulimic' in reference to her companion cat in this thread. What I meant to incicate was that the cat did not have any identifiable illness and was not throwing up hairballs. I was not anthropomorphising him - as I hope my comment about his being a neutered tom indicated. However, I shall not in future refer to him as 'bulimic' on this list for fear for being misunderstood ;=) And yes, you made perfect sense, despite your two glasses of beer and two of champagne *lol* Half your luck! *lol* My cat's tummy problems, however, do seem to make me a little nervous about messing around with his diet since any deviation tends to bring back the buh-buh-buh-buh-BeeWord problem. He yacks, as you put it ;=) Cats I do know can be fed a vegan diet, but first they have to be willing to eat it ;=) I will give it a try when I am somewhere that I can get the right food for him. Meanwhile, we are getting on fine. Every time he 'yacks', I think 'ya know, Pat, this pupper would be better on a me*t-free diet'; he doesn't tell me what he thinks and I'm not asking ;=) Best, Pat > i think the thing is that a lot of people (and this coming from an animal > lover) tend to anthropomorphize our pets (assign human qualities to them > when they're not human). Cats, I do not believe, " intentionally " binge & > purge as we are familiar with the term. yes, they yack up hairballs and > the like, but to intentionally/willfully throw up, no. What sets us apart > from animals is that we and not they have free will/the concious ability > of choice. We choose to take certain actions. Animals take actions based > on more instinctual needs. If a cat for some reason can't keep something > down, then the instinct (like hairballs) is to yack it up. > > Hope that made some modicum of sense. I have two beers & two glasses of > champagne under my belt at the moment. :-) -- SANTBROWN townhounds/ vegetarianslimming/ HOMEPAGE: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/ ---------- * " There are too many idiots in this world. And having said it, I have the burden of proving it. " (Franz Fanon) * " Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace. " (Albert Schweitzer) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2004 Report Share Posted January 1, 2004 I just found this site: http://vegancats.com/ What do you think about it ? , " I-tal " <happilyvegan@c...> wrote: > Thanks for those great links and enlightments ! ) > > Happy new year to you all ! > > > , nadiana1@a... wrote: > > > check the following great websites for more info: > > > > www.catnutrition.org (and DEFINITELY look at the links page) > > > > http://www.blakkatz.com/dryfood.html > > > > hope this helps... > > > > melody > > > > http://www.melodysmusic.net > > > > > > > > " There's a voice that keeps on calling me. > Down the road. That's where I'll always be. > Oh, every stop I make, I make a new friend. > Can't stay for long. Just turn around, and I'm gone again. > Maybe tomorrow, I'll want to settle down. > Until tomorrow, I'll just keep movin' on. > So, if you want to join me for awhile, > just grab your hat, and we'll travel light. That's hobo style. > Maybe tomorrow, I'll want to settle down. > Until tomorrow, I'll just keep movin' on. > Until tomorrow, the whole world is my home. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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