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In a message dated 12/30/03 9:36:54 AM,

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> > Similarly, I always found it interesting that dogs can go vegan, but

> > cats are unable to stay healthy on a vegan/vegetarian diet.

>

> Indeed. My (neutered) bulimic male feline still eats (siggghhh)

> human-grade me*t kibble. It's not possible to find veggie food for him

> here in London, and I prefer not to hassle it.

>

speaking as the owner of two previously bulemic cats, it's the unfortunate

truth that cats aren't designed to eat most carbohydrates. dogs can do really

well on a vegan diet if you do it right, but cats can die from such a diet.

i'm sure there are some cats out there that do just fine on a vegan diet, but

then again, there are some people that do just fine living off mcdonalds and

smoking. i'd be a lot more concerned that i'm doing everything i can to keep

my cat as healthy as possible. plus, it was me who decided to bring the

obligate carnivores into my house.

 

the kibble is probably what is causing your cat to throw up so much. mine

threw up every day from the day i adopted them, and i could not figure out why.

this lasted three years, and suddenly my joanie lost about 2 lbs (a lot for

a 6 lb. cat). her spine and ribs were sticking out, and she kept throwing

up clear liquid and stayed under the bed all day (very unlike her). turns out

that she has feline ibd (inflammatory bowel disease). my other cat, chachi,

has it as well, but fortunately never got as sick as joanie did. the vet

put them on a different kind of science diet kibble. he had them on science

diet for months before due to what he said was a slight urinary problem that

chachi had. i am convinced that the science diet stuff got joanie to get as

sick as she did-- the ingredients are total crap. most kibble is almost

completely by-products and fillers. science diet gets a good reputation

because

vets prescribe it like crazy. of course, they are paid by the company to do

this, and are honestly under the delusion that it helps. unfortunately, most

vets are NOT well-versed in pet nutrition, just like most physicians are not

well-versed in people nutrition. the vet is the LAST place i'd get my

nutritional information from, knowing what i know now.

 

i joined the feline ibd and learned a LOT about cat nutrition.

i changed their diet from kibble to a premium canned food with no by-products,

wheat, oats, or corn. (most of the people on feline ibd are pro-raw-meat

diet; it seems to work wonders for most cats, but i just can't bring myself to

do it). check the following great websites for more info:

 

www.catnutrition.org (and DEFINITELY look at the links page)

 

http://www.blakkatz.com/dryfood.html

 

hope this helps...

 

melody

 

http://www.melodysmusic.net

 

 

 

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I'm confused. I have never heard of bulimic cats. Can cats actually

be bulimic like humans; in other words, do they intentionally binge

and induce vomitting? Or is bulimic just used as a general term to

describe cats who have trouble keeping their food down?

 

I think the only problem with putting cats on a vegan diet is that

they require very different levels of amino acids than us. If they

get supplements for the amino acids they need, then I can't think of

any reason why they would need meat. I think I've read that vegan

cat food often doesn't have the proper amounts of amino acids in it.

But it shouldn't matter whether the amino acids come from the lab or

from meat. Then again, cats are fussy as hell, so maybe some of them

would simply refuse to eat vegan food.

 

 

, nadiana1@a... wrote:

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> In a message dated 12/30/03 9:36:54 AM,

 

> writes:

>

>

> > > Similarly, I always found it interesting that dogs can go

vegan, but

> > > cats are unable to stay healthy on a vegan/vegetarian diet.

> >

> > Indeed. My (neutered) bulimic male feline still eats (siggghhh)

> > human-grade me*t kibble. It's not possible to find veggie food

for him

> > here in London, and I prefer not to hassle it.

> >

> speaking as the owner of two previously bulemic cats, it's the

unfortunate

> truth that cats aren't designed to eat most carbohydrates. dogs

can do really

> well on a vegan diet if you do it right, but cats can die from such

a diet.

> i'm sure there are some cats out there that do just fine on a vegan

diet, but

> then again, there are some people that do just fine living off

mcdonalds and

> smoking

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Thanks for those great links and enlightments ! :o)

 

Happy new year to you all !

 

 

, nadiana1@a... wrote:

>

check the following great websites for more info:

>

> www.catnutrition.org (and DEFINITELY look at the links page)

>

> http://www.blakkatz.com/dryfood.html

>

> hope this helps...

>

> melody

>

> http://www.melodysmusic.net

>

>

>

 

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i think the thing is that a lot of people (and this coming from an animal lover)

tend to anthropomorphize our pets (assign human qualities to them when they're

not human). Cats, I do not believe, " intentionally " binge & purge as we are

familiar with the term. yes, they yack up hairballs and the like, but to

intentionally/willfully throw up, no. What sets us apart from animals is that

we and not they have free will/the concious ability of choice. We choose to

take certain actions. Animals take actions based on more instinctual needs. If

a cat for some reason can't keep something down, then the instinct (like

hairballs) is to yack it up.

 

Hope that made some modicum of sense. I have two beers & two glasses of

champagne under my belt at the moment. :-)

 

Megan

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I'm confused. I have never heard of bulimic cats. Can cats actually

be bulimic like humans; in other words, do they intentionally binge

and induce vomitting? Or is bulimic just used as a general term to

describe cats who have trouble keeping their food down

 

 

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I think I was the one who first used the word 'bulimic' in reference to

her companion cat in this thread. What I meant to incicate was that the

cat did not have any identifiable illness and was not throwing up

hairballs. I was not anthropomorphising him - as I hope my comment about

his being a neutered tom indicated. However, I shall not in future refer

to him as 'bulimic' on this list for fear for being misunderstood ;=)

And yes, you made perfect sense, despite your two glasses of beer and

two of champagne *lol* Half your luck! *lol*

 

My cat's tummy problems, however, do seem to make me a little nervous

about messing around with his diet since any deviation tends to bring

back the buh-buh-buh-buh-BeeWord problem. He yacks, as you put it ;=)

Cats I do know can be fed a vegan diet, but first they have to be

willing to eat it ;=) I will give it a try when I am somewhere that I

can get the right food for him. Meanwhile, we are getting on fine. Every

time he 'yacks', I think 'ya know, Pat, this pupper would be better on a

me*t-free diet'; he doesn't tell me what he thinks and I'm not asking ;=)

 

Best,

Pat

 

 

 

> i think the thing is that a lot of people (and this coming from an animal

> lover) tend to anthropomorphize our pets (assign human qualities to them

> when they're not human). Cats, I do not believe, " intentionally " binge &

> purge as we are familiar with the term. yes, they yack up hairballs and

> the like, but to intentionally/willfully throw up, no. What sets us apart

> from animals is that we and not they have free will/the concious ability

> of choice. We choose to take certain actions. Animals take actions based

> on more instinctual needs. If a cat for some reason can't keep something

> down, then the instinct (like hairballs) is to yack it up.

>

> Hope that made some modicum of sense. I have two beers & two glasses of

> champagne under my belt at the moment. :-)

 

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I just found this site: http://vegancats.com/

What do you think about it ?

 

, " I-tal " <happilyvegan@c...>

wrote:

> Thanks for those great links and enlightments ! :o)

>

> Happy new year to you all !

>

>

> , nadiana1@a... wrote:

> >

> check the following great websites for more info:

> >

> > www.catnutrition.org (and DEFINITELY look at the links page)

> >

> > http://www.blakkatz.com/dryfood.html

> >

> > hope this helps...

> >

> > melody

> >

> > http://www.melodysmusic.net

> >

> >

> >

>

> " There's a voice that keeps on calling me.

> Down the road. That's where I'll always be.

> Oh, every stop I make, I make a new friend.

> Can't stay for long. Just turn around, and I'm gone again.

> Maybe tomorrow, I'll want to settle down.

> Until tomorrow, I'll just keep movin' on.

> So, if you want to join me for awhile,

> just grab your hat, and we'll travel light. That's hobo style.

> Maybe tomorrow, I'll want to settle down.

> Until tomorrow, I'll just keep movin' on.

> Until tomorrow, the whole world is my home. "

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