The need for vegetarian communities

[Guest guest]

Hello Again,

Well I am back! I would like to offer a warm, life filled welcome to

our new members Meenu and Taharka. Peace and fond greetings to you!!

I have to say a personal hello to my new friends Sheryl and Melody!

I also wish to greet all my " wild " friends online...(what would I do

without a dictionary!) Anyway I have enjoyed reading all the new

postings since I have joined myself. I truly understand the need for

community imput and feel all the more galvanized to the fact that the

isolation most individual vegetarians feel is needless and dis-

functional to our cause. As vegans/vegetarians we are more open to

the blessings or positive karma that the universe has to share with

us. We are doing something great for the planet, ourselves and our

families simply by not eating meat and animal based products . To

think, even for one minute, at any stage of our personal progression,

that we are weird hippies or affected gurus, is deception. I must

again insist upon the need for actual vegan/vegetarian based

communities. The continued separation amongst the sane

in this deranged society is swiftly destroying the whole planet. What

American 50-60 years ago would have been proud of the REAL state of

the nation today? Corporate based greed has it so that the average

American has no concept of what their true purpose is anymore. Are we

our jobs? Are we happy with the debt we've aquired hoarding things

commercialist say we should have? Is our heath thriving with the

present American diet? Is the enviroment safe and our natural

resources limitless? The answer is absolutely no! Now is the time to

reaccess the nature of our power. We can change things by working

together as a unified whole. As joint communities we can raise our

own non-gentically modified foods. We can ensure the most pure and

consistant diet for ourselves and our families without question or

harrassment. With intentional communities it would be possible to

afford homes totally self-sufficient with solar energy, composting

waste systems, and ecologically sound building materials. Recycling

is truely fantastic but it is just the first step in what we can

do. Get together with your fellow vegetarians; outline your goals and

ideals for fruitful living; let's begin to restrain the control of

corporate dominance. We are being fought on a cellular level. With

our unity we can fight back.

I wish health to us all

Peace and Love,

Keisha

[Guest guest]

As much as I like the idea in a selfish way, I can't help thinking we

do more good out among others. I'd say the first serious vegetarian I

met made me think a little, the second made me think rather more, and

the third kind of got me near enough the finish line that I got off my

tail and finished the distance myself. So maybe a different, and

perhaps complementary, perspective.

 

, " Keisha Ann Berry "

<flyfiddle> wrote:

> Hello Again,

> Well I am back! I would like to offer a warm, life filled welcome to

> our new members Meenu and Taharka. Peace and fond greetings to you!!

> I have to say a personal hello to my new friends Sheryl and Melody!

> I also wish to greet all my " wild " friends online...(what would I do

> without a dictionary!) Anyway I have enjoyed reading all the new

> postings since I have joined myself. I truly understand the need for

> community imput and feel all the more galvanized to the fact that the

> isolation most individual vegetarians feel is needless and dis-

> functional to our cause. As vegans/vegetarians we are more open to

> the blessings or positive karma that the universe has to share with

> us. We are doing something great for the planet, ourselves and our

> families simply by not eating meat and animal based products . To

> think, even for one minute, at any stage of our personal progression,

> that we are weird hippies or affected gurus, is deception. I must

> again insist upon the need for actual vegan/vegetarian based

> communities. The continued separation amongst the sane

> in this deranged society is swiftly destroying the whole planet. What

> American 50-60 years ago would have been proud of the REAL state of

> the nation today? Corporate based greed has it so that the average

> American has no concept of what their true purpose is anymore. Are we

> our jobs? Are we happy with the debt we've aquired hoarding things

> commercialist say we should have? Is our heath thriving with the

> present American diet? Is the enviroment safe and our natural

> resources limitless? The answer is absolutely no! Now is the time to

> reaccess the nature of our power. We can change things by working

> together as a unified whole. As joint communities we can raise our

> own non-gentically modified foods. We can ensure the most pure and

> consistant diet for ourselves and our families without question or

> harrassment. With intentional communities it would be possible to

> afford homes totally self-sufficient with solar energy, composting

> waste systems, and ecologically sound building materials. Recycling

> is truely fantastic but it is just the first step in what we can

> do. Get together with your fellow vegetarians; outline your goals and

> ideals for fruitful living; let's begin to restrain the control of

> corporate dominance. We are being fought on a cellular level. With

> our unity we can fight back.

> I wish health to us all

> Peace and Love,

> Keisha

[Guest guest]

I have to agree that we need to share our vegan/vegetarian life style with

others. The first vegan I met I thought she was nuts, but by the time I really

thought about it and met others I was angry at myself for being so closed

minded. Of course I am alot older and hopefully wiser than then. Don't we all

need our minds to be opened wider to other ideas and thoughts sometimes

throughout our lives? The comfort of community is wonderful but do we need to

isolate ourselves to feel that. I am feeling comfort from this community right

now, our . I think we should share our testimonials with anyone who

cares to listen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I can understand if you want to live in a veg*n friendly city

with plenty of stores and restaurants that cater to your needs,

but... If we isolated ourselves in a little vegetarians only

community wouldn't that just feed the stereotype that we're all in

some terrorist organization or cult of the sacred cow?

 

, RMS <rmshore@s...> wrote:

> I have to agree that we need to share our vegan/vegetarian life

style with others.

[Guest guest]

hm, i guess i was thinking along different lines from everyone else; i'd

never want to isolate myself from the rest of the world. but i do really like

the idea of people living cooperatively-- meaning in harmony with each other,

and with nature, and helping each other in times of need. idealistic, i know,

but i love the idea. i also love the idea of organic, cooperative farming,

as well. actually, there are a few like this out there. i know of one

really nice organic farm co-op in madison, wisconsin; everyone gets a share of

the

farm and gets to take home as much as their share allows.

 

i don't think these things necessitate isolation. there are too many people

in the world who don't realize how important the environment is until they

lose it, and if the people who understand these things are in isolation, there

will be no one to fight for those who cannot speak their minds. there will be

no one to make the rest of the world think twice about their actions.

 

i certainly had no intention of going vegan until i met enough vegans to

become curious and do the research about it... now that i understand the

procedures used to produce eggs, dairy, wool, silk, etc., i could never go back

to my

old lifestyle.

 

every year, the number of vegetarians in this country increases by an

impressive amount-- without the influence of those who have already gone down

that

road, i doubt that would be happening.

 

now this is not to say that we need to go out and try to " convert " everyone

(if anything, that makes most people more resistant to even consider a change--

think high-pressure sales pitches. ick.). i don't believe in forcing my

beliefs on others. but i do know that my meat-eating friends are very

impressed with the sunday dinner parties i have, and i do know that it makes

them

more interested in eating more veggie meals. i do know that people ask me

about

my lifestyle constantly, and no matter what their own opinions, they leave

that conversation having learned something new, and having some new ideas to

think about.

 

(hopping off soapbox )

 

melody

 

http://www.melodysmusic.net

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Radcsusa,

Thanks for the reply!!! I do understand what you say...I too have had influence

from intermittent contact with vegetarians/vegans. What I am trying to stress

is that the level of influence is upside down. I also stress that being apart

of this lifestyle leads you down a exciting road of discovery. After you begin

to eat with a certain level of purity, you begin to experience a need to spread

that purity in other areas of life; (like your environment and living

standards.) Sadly to say many things that are most ecologically sound or

organic and genetically pure is HUGELY expensive. So much so, that one would

literally have to be a millionaire to afford such a desired lifestyle...

individually. Ah, but together families could accomplish this anywhere.

Substantial eco-villages and intentional communities could be placed anywhere

.....rural and urban. One could decide to still work outside of the community

....giving the one the chance provide the " other perspective " you rightly

spoke of. And don't forget..these communities would have to work and market

goods & services, so, there would be a very good chance that others would be

influenced that way as well. I admit this is quite a commitment, but, the

concept has been proven to work in many places in America & more accepted in

Europe. So soon this idea may be not just a novelty but a necessity for a

thriving life. None the less, I feel wonderful just being able to converse

with other vegetarians about matters of my heart. That's Something I never

really get to do simply passing people in the health food store.

Have an

awesome day Radcsusa!!!

Keisha

radcsusa <radcsusa wrote:

As much as I like the idea in a selfish way, I can't help thinking we

do more good out among others. I'd say the first serious vegetarian I

met made me think a little, the second made me think rather more, and

the third kind of got me near enough the finish line that I got off my

tail and finished the distance myself. So maybe a different, and

perhaps complementary, perspective.

 

, " Keisha Ann Berry "

<flyfiddle> wrote:

> Hello Again,

> Well I am back! I would like to offer a warm, life filled welcome to

> our new members Meenu and Taharka. Peace and fond greetings to you!!

> I have to say a personal hello to my new friends Sheryl and Melody!

> I also wish to greet all my " wild " friends online...(what would I do

> without a dictionary!) Anyway I have enjoyed reading all the new

> postings since I have joined myself. I truly understand the need for

> community imput and feel all the more galvanized to the fact that the

> isolation most individual vegetarians feel is needless and dis-

> functional to our cause. As vegans/vegetarians we are more open to

> the blessings or positive karma that the universe has to share with

> us. We are doing something great for the planet, ourselves and our

> families simply by not eating meat and animal based products . To

> think, even for one minute, at any stage of our personal progression,

> that we are weird hippies or affected gurus, is deception. I must

> again insist upon the need for actual vegan/vegetarian based

> communities. The continued separation amongst the sane

> in this deranged society is swiftly destroying the whole planet. What

> American 50-60 years ago would have been proud of the REAL state of

> the nation today? Corporate based greed has it so that the average

> American has no concept of what their true purpose is anymore. Are we

> our jobs? Are we happy with the debt we've acquired hoarding things

> commercialist say we should have? Is our heath thriving with the

> present American diet? Is the environment safe and our natural

> resources limitless? The answer is absolutely no! Now is the time to

> reaccess the nature of our power. We can change things by working

> together as a unified whole. As joint communities we can raise our

> own non-genetically modified foods. We can ensure the most pure and

> consistent diet for ourselves and our families without question or

> harassment. With intentional communities it would be possible to

> afford homes totally self-sufficient with solar energy, composting

> waste systems, and ecologically sound building materials. Recycling

> is truly fantastic but it is just the first step in what we can

> do. Get together with your fellow vegetarians; outline your goals and

> ideals for fruitful living; let's begin to restrain the control of

> corporate dominance. We are being fought on a cellular level. With

> our unity we can fight back.

> I wish health to us all

> Peace and Love,

> Keisha

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yes, I feel much the same.

If it weren't for the times I rubbed elbows with veg-folk

on my life path, I might never have found my way to

becoming one myself.

I still contend that the best way to introduce the omnivore

humans to vegetarianism is to break bread with them

and share a wonderful delicious veggie meal.

 

~ feral ~

 

Month of January - smoky is the vale;

Weary the wine-bearer; strolling the minstrel;

Lean the cow; seldom the hum of the bee.

~ anon. Welsh poem

~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~>

, " radcsusa " <radcsusa@n...>

wrote:

> As much as I like the idea in a selfish way, I can't help thinking

we

> do more good out among others. I'd say the first serious

vegetarian I

> met made me think a little, the second made me think rather more,

and

> the third kind of got me near enough the finish line that I got off

my

> tail and finished the distance myself. So maybe a different, and

> perhaps complementary, perspective.

[Guest guest]

, " Feral "

<terebinthus> wrote:

>...

> I still contend that the best way to introduce the omnivore

> humans to vegetarianism is to break bread with them

> and share a wonderful delicious veggie meal.

>

 

Yes!! Or, a delicious recipe, for those that cook!! :-) I recently

made a friend that way out of a person who previously taunted me

about my vegetarianism. Her husband is a dairy/cattle farmer :-/ but

I'm working on her, slowly.

 

cheryll

[Guest guest]

I have read several responses to this issue but firmly agree with

you. I like the thought of a vegetarian community. I think it's a

great idea. How do you deal with persons that change would be an

interesting argument. In a vegetarian community, we would have a

place to go where there's people of likemindedness can go and relate

to each other. Holidays, parties and social events would be nice

given that everyone else has it. Also, institutions would recognize

you better as a group as opposed to being singled out one by one when

they come across us. It would require intricate thought (like most

new ideas) but it sounds good to me.

 

, " Keisha Ann Berry "

<flyfiddle> wrote:

> Hello Again,

> Well I am back! I would like to offer a warm, life filled welcome

to

> our new members Meenu and Taharka. Peace and fond greetings to

you!!

> I have to say a personal hello to my new friends Sheryl and

Melody!

> I also wish to greet all my " wild " friends online...(what would I

do

> without a dictionary!) Anyway I have enjoyed reading all the new

> postings since I have joined myself. I truly understand the need

for

> community imput and feel all the more galvanized to the fact that

the

> isolation most individual vegetarians feel is needless and dis-

> functional to our cause. As vegans/vegetarians we are more open to

> the blessings or positive karma that the universe has to share with

> us. We are doing something great for the planet, ourselves and our

> families simply by not eating meat and animal based products . To

> think, even for one minute, at any stage of our personal

progression,

> that we are weird hippies or affected gurus, is deception. I must

> again insist upon the need for actual vegan/vegetarian based

> communities. The continued separation amongst the sane

> in this deranged society is swiftly destroying the whole planet.

What

> American 50-60 years ago would have been proud of the REAL state of

> the nation today? Corporate based greed has it so that the average

> American has no concept of what their true purpose is anymore. Are

we

> our jobs? Are we happy with the debt we've aquired hoarding things

> commercialist say we should have? Is our heath thriving with the

> present American diet? Is the enviroment safe and our natural

> resources limitless? The answer is absolutely no! Now is the time

to

> reaccess the nature of our power. We can change things by working

> together as a unified whole. As joint communities we can raise our

> own non-gentically modified foods. We can ensure the most pure and

> consistant diet for ourselves and our families without question or

> harrassment. With intentional communities it would be possible to

> afford homes totally self-sufficient with solar energy, composting

> waste systems, and ecologically sound building materials. Recycling

> is truely fantastic but it is just the first step in what we can

> do. Get together with your fellow vegetarians; outline your goals

and

> ideals for fruitful living; let's begin to restrain the control of

> corporate dominance. We are being fought on a cellular level. With

> our unity we can fight back.

> I wish health to us all

> Peace and Love,

> Keisha