Guest guest Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 No, because plants require cultivation. That's what is not possible in ravaged countrysides. Ask any war refugee if they stopped to plant or tend gardens, or if those garden patches were respected. And today's veggie lifestyles are so sophisticated and rely so heavily upon fabricated things that it's just not sustainable. However, there is nothing any one of us can do, really, so enjoy things while you can and don't worry about anything. Ignorance is bliss. Chew the cud and wander pleasantly through the mine-field unawares. It's best that way. On Tuesday, March 2, 2004, at 03:13 AM, wrote: > Message: 7 > Mon, 01 Mar 2004 18:58:08 -0000 > " ~ PT ~ " <patchouli_troll > Major Changes Coming Soon > > Interesting article. I don't know why you would > worry about vegetarianism being effected any > more that a meat based diet. I would think that a > vegetable based diet would be easier to sustain > under those climate conditions than would a > carnivorous diet; it takes way more plants to raise > a beef cow than it would to feed humans. > Maybe we who are used to living on plants will > actually be better prepared. > > ~ PT ~ > > The three oppressors of the wise are drunkeness, > and adultery and bad disposition. > ~ triad from 'Laws of Hywel Dda' > ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~~~> > The Stewarts <stews9 > Major Changes Coming Soon > > This affects vegetarians because, frankly, it's a luxury lifestyle > these > days. We need to plan ahead and I'm not sure we can ensure that > we'll > be > able to continue our chosen lifestyle in the very near future. > > This also explains the insane behavior of our Ruling Elite lately. > They > are panicked to position themselves well for the future. > > " Are you a sort of double-oh seven in HELP, Ringo? " " No, I'm more of a double-entendre. " --Ringo Starr being interviewed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 , The Stewarts <stews9@c...> wrote: > No, because plants require cultivation. Some do, yes. But we will eat whatever we can if we get hungry enough. > That's what is not possible in ravaged countrysides. Greenhouses, underground planting with grow lights... the list of solutions is endless. Even Nature will find a way. Ever see how fast plants reclaim ravaged countrysides, like on the Big Island of Hawaii where the lava has reclaimed the land? > And today's veggie lifestyles are so sophisticated and rely so heavily > upon fabricated things that it's just not sustainable. We'll just have to adjust.. adapt. Maybe no more boxes of veggie ground, but I still contend that those of us that live on a plantbased diet will be ahead of the adapting game. ~ feral ~ I find politics the single most uninspiring, unemotional and insensitive activity on this planet. ~ Adam Ant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 Feral <terebinthus wrote: >But we will eat whatever we can if >we get hungry enough. But will you survive on it? >Greenhouses, underground planting with grow lights... You don't get it, do you? How are you going to power your grow lights, when the petroleum economy collapses? Will you use solar panels? If so, have you purchased them already? DO you plan to purchase them soon? What will you do if you experience a protracted rainstorm & your plants thus get no light for a number of days? >the list of solutions is endless. Give me an 'endless' list that doesn't count on electricity or petroleum in some way. >Even Nature will find a way. Ever see how fast plants reclaim >ravaged countrysides, like on the Big Island of Hawaii where >the lava has reclaimed the land? Nature will indeed find a way- but that way does not include food falling from th sky. The existence of humanity is not necessary for the survival of nature in general; the existence of any individual humans is certainly not important to the survival of nature. Plant reclaim ravaged countrysides, yes- but will they be nutritious plants? Will they be eidble? Will you know how to prepare them? Will the supply of them last more than a few days? >I still contend that those >of us that live on a plantbased diet will be ahead of the >adapting game. Can you support that contention? I'm really curious. Search - Find what you’re looking for faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 I can align myself with both of your points of view. But I have to think of countries such as Afghanistan. This has been a war-ravaged country for over 30 years and they have no economic means to eat a particular way. They eat whatever they can, to stay alive and healthy. From what I am reading out of both of your emails is that we won't have the " convenient " vegetarian food. With the Pentagon's recent " ousting " of their report (they didn't offer it up, the Brits found out about it), I think that huge changes in climate will make a large impact on many cultures' eating and living practices. However, I also see evil corp-giants, such as Monsanto, taking advantage of this and pushing their bull-crap GMO products even harder. So far many countries have refused food aid from us because it's GMO, even though there are huge waves of starvation happening across their lands. I don't think this report is anything to snub at because it will effect all of us eventually. Cutting back of huge meat productions will actually help the healing of our environment. Just like quitting smoking will decrease your changes of lunch cancer & other smoking related diseases, starting now to increase our protection of the world's environment will decrease our risk of global warming or global climate extremes. These are just my opinions and off the top of my head. Denise , " Feral " <terebinthus> wrote: > , The Stewarts <stews9@c...> > wrote: > > No, because plants require cultivation. > > > Some do, yes. But we will eat whatever we can if > we get hungry enough. > > > > That's what is not possible in ravaged countrysides. > > > Greenhouses, underground planting with grow lights... > the list of solutions is endless. Even Nature will find a > way. Ever see how fast plants reclaim ravaged > countrysides, like on the Big Island of Hawaii where > the lava has reclaimed the land? > > > > And today's veggie lifestyles are so sophisticated and rely so > heavily > > upon fabricated things that it's just not sustainable. > > > We'll just have to adjust.. adapt. Maybe no more > boxes of veggie ground, but I still contend that those > of us that live on a plantbased diet will be ahead of the > adapting game. > > ~ feral ~ > > I find politics the single most uninspiring, unemotional > and insensitive activity on this planet. > ~ Adam Ant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 1.Probably not for long! I'd do my best though. *lol* 2. Nope, probably not; just yapping and discussing my opinion. Pay no serious attention to the wee troll in the corner of the room. 3. Sorry I used the term endless. It is endlessly coming back to haunt me the words I use to exaggerate my weak points in what I consider fun discussions. *s* 4. It wasn't the intention of my post to get into a debate. ~ PT ~ These are dangerous times, speak your mind and you dig your own grave. ~ Sinead O'Connor ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~> , reptile grrl <reptilegoddess> wrote: > >1. But will you survive on it? > >2. You don't get it, do you? ? > >3. Give me an 'endless' list that doesn't count on electricity or petroleum in some way. > >4. Can you support that contention? I'm really curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 You're right, Denise- in war-ravaged countries they eat whatever they must to survive: and that means meat. That's the point that we're making here: subsistence in a war-ravaged or otherwise torn and impoverished ara will, more than likely, require animal products. While agribusiness is a big bad polluter, especially slaughterhouses, the fact that we on this list are vegetarians is not making a huge dent. I'm glad that I can do my part, but the rest of the world is not about to do an about-face. Denise <pamperedveggie wrote: I can align myself with both of your points of view. But I have to think of countries such as Afghanistan. This has been a war-ravaged country for over 30 years and they have no economic means to eat a particular way. They eat whatever they can, to stay alive and healthy. From what I am reading out of both of your emails is that we won't have the " convenient " vegetarian food. With the Pentagon's recent " ousting " of their report (they didn't offer it up, the Brits found out about it), I think that huge changes in climate will make a large impact on many cultures' eating and living practices. (deletia) I don't think this report is anything to snub at because it will effect all of us eventually. Cutting back of huge meat productions will actually help the healing of our environment. Just like quitting smoking will decrease your changes of lunch cancer & other smoking related diseases, starting now to increase our protection of the world's environment will decrease our risk of global warming or global climate extremes. Search - Find what you’re looking for faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2004 Report Share Posted March 3, 2004 In the manner of the internet use of the word, I don't consider you a troll ~ PT ~ <patchouli_troll wrote: 1.Probably not for long! I'd do my best though. *lol* 2. Nope, probably not; just yapping and discussing my opinion. Pay no serious attention to the wee troll in the corner of the room. 3. Sorry I used the term endless. It is endlessly coming back to haunt me the words I use to exaggerate my weak points in what I consider fun discussions. *s* 4. It wasn't the intention of my post to get into a debate. ~ PT ~ Search - Find what you’re looking for faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2004 Report Share Posted March 4, 2004 Been called one a time or two. Just water under my bridge. *lol* ~ PT ~ What is it that will not stand lock or chain? The eye of a person in the company of a friend: it will not abide shutting nor restraint, but only looking upon. ~ from the riddle contest between Fionn and Grainne, Scots Gaelic lore (trans CM) ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~~> , reptile grrl <reptilegoddess> wrote: > In the manner of the internet use of the word, I don't consider you a troll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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