virgil

[Guest guest]

hi, virgil-- i'm so glad you were able to make enough funds to pay your

bills. i wonder if there's something you can do for money that will also help

your cause? i'm looking forward to seeing what becomes of all the offers that

are in the works for you!

 

also wondering if you might consider speaking at worldfest this year-- i bet

they would LOVE to have you, and you'd garner a lot of new support from people

who haven't yet heard of you.

 

melody

 

 

http://www.melodysmusic.net

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

For those of us living in very small apartments in very large

cities, keeping our own chickens is simply not possible. There are

some humans in the world who live in filth and overcrowding, it's

called squalor. When people find out about other people living in

squalor, they do all they can to make their lives " better " . If

people were to find out about someone living in a cage too small for

them to stand up or turn around in, they would call it cruel and

unusual punishment and never rest until that person was released.

The fact of the matter is for those of us who are not able to keep

our own chickens, we must simply trust those who do to keep them in

the most humane fashion possible. Is squalor humane? Not really.

Is it better than cruel and unusual punishment? Slightly. The

point is to get a message to these big companies that we won't

tolerate cruel and unusual punishment for the animals they are

supposed to be caring for. To say " Well I have chickens and I treat

them well. " Is fine, for your chickens, but what about all the

thousands and thousands of chickens who are still living in cages?

I'm sure given the choice between a caged life or a life of squalor,

the chicken would opt for squalor. That's not to say that it's

actually a good option, but for so long as any chicken is living

it's entire life in a cage, or as long as the majority of people are

unwilling to pay $10 for a dozen eggs, or until every one has their

own chickens and cares for them the way they should be cared for, it

happens to be the best that some of us can do.

 

Luna Faye

[Guest guest]

We have some ideas in the works, but nothing actually happening right

now as far as fundraising goes. There are some others that are

trying to help me set up a non-profit, but it will take awhile, and

the application also costs money - I believe the figure given to me

was $150. That will also take a bit of time to raise and more time

to get the paperwork straightened out - months. I will just keep on

hanging on until then the best I can. The one thing that is certain

is that I don't intend to give up. This is too important.

 

As for the Worldfest idea, I don't know anything about it, or who to

talk to about it. Got any more info on it?

 

Virgil

 

 

, nadiana1@a... wrote:

> hi, virgil-- i'm so glad you were able to make enough funds to

pay your

> bills. i wonder if there's something you can do for money that

will also help

> your cause? i'm looking forward to seeing what becomes of all the

offers that

> are in the works for you!

>

> also wondering if you might consider speaking at worldfest this

year-- i bet

> they would LOVE to have you, and you'd garner a lot of new support

from people

> who haven't yet heard of you.

>

> melody

>

>

> http://www.melodysmusic.net

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I do understand your situation. That's why I said that I usually

refrain from bringing these things up since I don't want to offend

anyone, especially those vegetarians who are making an effort to

reduce the amount of cruelty they support through their choices.

Obviously what I said bothered you. However, it IS still a fact.

Yes, it might be SLIGHTLY better for the chickens not to be in cages,

as I said, but it is still hardly humane. That's the only point that

I was trying to make. I am not trying to attack you or anyone else

or make anyone feel bad for eating eggs or drinking milk. All I was

attempting to do was to lay out the facts for those who do not know

them. You would be surprised at the number of people that believe

that free-range means that the chickens are happily walking around in

the grass and fresh air! This is not the case, as you have pointed

out in your use of the word " squalor. " Obviously you are quite aware

that the chickens that lay these eggs are still suffering, even if

not quite as much as those in the cages. Well, they ARE still

suffering, though. That cannot be denied.

 

Again, each person has to make their own decision as to what degree

of cruelty they are willing to support to satisfy their taste buds.

That is a personal decision between each of us and our own

consciences. I am hardly trying to be a member of the " Vegan

Police. " I don't run around attacking vegetarians for eating eggs or

drinking milk. I would be hypocritical if I did that, anyway. All I

am trying to do is to spread factual information. For, without the

facts, how are people supposed to make informed choices? What you do

with that information is your own concern. I simply lay it out for

you to consider. That's all. Really. Nothing more - nothing less.

 

I know that people living in cities can't raise their own chickens.

Didn't I say so? Again, I simply provided facts as well as suggested

another choice besides a store. Besides, the rural person you buy

the eggs from probably needs the money a whole lot more than the

large corporation. Also, there probably wouldn't be as many

resources used - not as much fuel for transport, reusing egg cartons

instead of making more, etc. You may even be surprised to find out

that you can buy eggs from them that are cheaper than those in the

store, and that are produced from chickens who do not live

in " squalor. " My neighbor sells his for only $1.00 a dozen. Much

cheaper than the ones at the store, and he takes good care of the

chickens, even though he does eat the roosters at some point. It is

simply one more choice that people have that many may have never

considered. If you are happy buying the eggs from the store, then

that's your decision, but at least it is an informed one. That's all

I wanted to ensure. That you were informed. Okay?

 

Virgil

 

, " Luna Faye "

<oraclelunafaye> wrote:

> For those of us living in very small apartments in very large

> cities, keeping our own chickens is simply not possible. There are

> some humans in the world who live in filth and overcrowding, it's

> called squalor. When people find out about other people living in

> squalor, they do all they can to make their lives " better " . If

> people were to find out about someone living in a cage too small

for

> them to stand up or turn around in, they would call it cruel and

> unusual punishment and never rest until that person was released.

> The fact of the matter is for those of us who are not able to keep

> our own chickens, we must simply trust those who do to keep them in

> the most humane fashion possible. Is squalor humane? Not really.

> Is it better than cruel and unusual punishment? Slightly. The

> point is to get a message to these big companies that we won't

> tolerate cruel and unusual punishment for the animals they are

> supposed to be caring for. To say " Well I have chickens and I

treat

> them well. " Is fine, for your chickens, but what about all the

> thousands and thousands of chickens who are still living in cages?

> I'm sure given the choice between a caged life or a life of

squalor,

> the chicken would opt for squalor. That's not to say that it's

> actually a good option, but for so long as any chicken is living

> it's entire life in a cage, or as long as the majority of people

are

> unwilling to pay $10 for a dozen eggs, or until every one has their

> own chickens and cares for them the way they should be cared for,

it

> happens to be the best that some of us can do.

>

> Luna Faye