What I Think of 'What I Think of Raw Foodism and Dr. Phil for that'

[Guest guest]

Y'know, reading through some of these posts (and

excluding the interesting exchange between Mark and

Dave right now ;=)), I am struck with how our backs

get up at the mention of raw foodism. So much so that

the above subject line was put into a post (Gene, was

that you - naughty lad!) - guaranteed, then, to

provoke all kinds of argument. It's reminiscent of

what happens on some lists, not this one, when

vegetarianism is advocated. Or on some vegetarian

lists , again of course not this one, when veganism is

advocated.

 

Figuring out that some two to five percent of a

population in the western world may be vegetarian, and

some but not all veggies are vegans, figure how small

a population the raw foodists are. Now tell me why we

are so damned threatened by them! Because they defend

their lifestyle? So do we. Is it because it is based,

as far as I can see, on *health* and by extension has

to be blessed by science? Vegetarians often do without

me*t for health reasons - and we all know some of the

arguments against that. I just don't get it.

 

Imagine the scene at our next Thanksgiving table: Mom

and Dad and the Kids have told Grannie and Grandad and

all the Aunties to go stuff their turkey, thank you,

and are having tofu at home. Then here comes Junior

from college and declares he is now a raw foodist. Mom

cries and says 'But is it healthy' and 'What do you do

for carbs?', Dad says 'Your Mom worked all day on this

tofu bake and the least you can do . . . ' And kid

sister starts making rude remarks about how the

carrot, not being humanely steamed to death, can feel

every bite and then starts throwing pellets of bread

into the salad and calling them croutons.

 

But I'm tired of the arguments. It's enough to turn a

girl into a carnivore - starting on somebody's ankle!

 

Pat in Montreal ;=)

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I'm actually very interested in raw foodism, and really in any alternative wayof

being healthy. What gets *my* back up is anyone advocating that they have the

one true way, especially if they back it up with absolute falsehoods. Dietary

preaching is bad enough, but declaring that *your* way is best for everyone is

impolite at the very least. (Flooding me with hate mail off-list is just

bonus.)

 

Do you feel threatened by raw foodists?

 

psybermus <psybermus wrote:

Y'know, reading through some of these posts (and

excluding the interesting exchange between Mark and

Dave right now ;=)), I am struck with how our backs

get up at the mention of raw foodism. So much so that

the above subject line was put into a post (Gene, was

that you - naughty lad!) - guaranteed, then, to

provoke all kinds of argument. It's reminiscent of

what happens on some lists, not this one, when

vegetarianism is advocated. Or on some vegetarian

lists , again of course not this one, when veganism is

advocated.

 

Figuring out that some two to five percent of a

population in the western world may be vegetarian, and

some but not all veggies are vegans, figure how small

a population the raw foodists are. Now tell me why we

are so damned threatened by them! Because they defend

their lifestyle? So do we. Is it because it is based,

as far as I can see, on *health* and by extension has

to be blessed by science? Vegetarians often do without

me*t for health reasons - and we all know some of the

arguments against that. I just don't get it.

 

Imagine the scene at our next Thanksgiving table: Mom

and Dad and the Kids have told Grannie and Grandad and

all the Aunties to go stuff their turkey, thank you,

and are having tofu at home. Then here comes Junior

from college and declares he is now a raw foodist. Mom

cries and says 'But is it healthy' and 'What do you do

for carbs?', Dad says 'Your Mom worked all day on this

tofu bake and the least you can do . . . ' And kid

sister starts making rude remarks about how the

carrot, not being humanely steamed to death, can feel

every bite and then starts throwing pellets of bread

into the salad and calling them croutons.

 

But I'm tired of the arguments. It's enough to turn a

girl into a carnivore - starting on somebody's ankle!

 

Pat in Montreal ;=)

 

 

 

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psybermus

LISTS: townhounds/

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[Guest guest]

Apparently as pat says, and by the way pat some very interesting observations I

like it very much. you must be afraid of raw foodists or raw foodism. I have not

claimed that my way is the only way, I have only said scientifically that eating

raw foods extends life, and that is a proven fact, Vegetarians live longer than

meat eaters, raw food vegeterians live even longer. There is nothing false about

that. There is nothign false about the science of how the body works and how raw

foods invigorate the body. You do not get bioflavinoids which the body so

desperately needs from cooked food. it just doesn't happen. You continue to eat

the way you want that is your perogative, and I judge nobody for their decisions

in life. I just hope you get your facts straight.I was not the one who said that

everything had chemicals in it, or that everything was a chemical. I suggested

that we take this off list as it apparently is turning into a battle that nobody

wants to hear, I suggested that you

are embarrasing yourself, and that if you wanted to get into it, I would but

why couldn't we find areas of agreement. I also suggested that your ego was

getting in the way. If you call that hate mail then so be it. I am sorry that

you and I cannot seem to find areas of agreement. You have proven the old

saying,,,,,, ? Faced with the choice of changing ones mind or proving that there

is no need to do so, most everybody gets busy on the proof!!! It is a simple

proven fact that the more whole live foods that you eat, your chance of staying

healthy and living a longer live increases, who can argue with that? Can we

please stop this now!! I appologize for having offended you in some way!!

 

reptile grrl <reptilegoddess wrote:I'm actually very interested in

raw foodism, and really in any alternative wayof being healthy. What gets *my*

back up is anyone advocating that they have the one true way, especially if they

back it up with absolute falsehoods. Dietary preaching is bad enough, but

declaring that *your* way is best for everyone is impolite at the very least.

(Flooding me with hate mail off-list is just bonus.)

 

Do you feel threatened by raw foodists?

 

psybermus <psybermus wrote:

Y'know, reading through some of these posts (and

excluding the interesting exchange between Mark and

Dave right now ;=)), I am struck with how our backs

get up at the mention of raw foodism. So much so that

the above subject line was put into a post (Gene, was

that you - naughty lad!) - guaranteed, then, to

provoke all kinds of argument. It's reminiscent of

what happens on some lists, not this one, when

vegetarianism is advocated. Or on some vegetarian

lists , again of course not this one, when veganism is

advocated.

 

Figuring out that some two to five percent of a

population in the western world may be vegetarian, and

some but not all veggies are vegans, figure how small

a population the raw foodists are. Now tell me why we

are so damned threatened by them! Because they defend

their lifestyle? So do we. Is it because it is based,

as far as I can see, on *health* and by extension has

to be blessed by science? Vegetarians often do without

me*t for health reasons - and we all know some of the

arguments against that. I just don't get it.

 

Imagine the scene at our next Thanksgiving table: Mom

and Dad and the Kids have told Grannie and Grandad and

all the Aunties to go stuff their turkey, thank you,

and are having tofu at home. Then here comes Junior

from college and declares he is now a raw foodist. Mom

cries and says 'But is it healthy' and 'What do you do

for carbs?', Dad says 'Your Mom worked all day on this

tofu bake and the least you can do . . . ' And kid

sister starts making rude remarks about how the

carrot, not being humanely steamed to death, can feel

every bite and then starts throwing pellets of bread

into the salad and calling them croutons.

 

But I'm tired of the arguments. It's enough to turn a

girl into a carnivore - starting on somebody's ankle!

 

Pat in Montreal ;=)

 

 

 

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psybermus

LISTS: townhounds/

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vegetarianslimming/

HOMEPAGE: http://www.angelfire.com/art/pendragon/

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[Guest guest]

, reptile grrl <ctually very What

gets *my* back up is anyone advocating that they have the one true way.

>especially if they back it up with absolute falsehoods. Dietary preaching is

bad enough, but declaring that *your* way is best for everyone is impolite at

the very least.

 

A lot of vegans and vegetarians in general think that too. But it doesn't get

our

backs up because we're already used to being on that path, right? As for

being impolite, well that's different from culture to culture anyway, so it's

hard

to make hard and fast rules about it. But some people would think it is

'impolite' or at least uncaring to *know* something is good for someone or bad

for someone and not to alert them to it. Especially if it is a matter under

discussion. It's all in how you think of it. Me, I don't like being preached at,

as

you call it. But that's for other reasons ;=)

 

As for 'absolute falsehoods' - that's calling someone a liar, plain and simple.

Not mistaken, or having poor research skills, or even having misinterpreted

the info. Nope. that's saying someone is a liar. I'm glad it wasn't said of me.

I

get really cross and, yes, absolutely preachy about someone calling me a liar.

Or one of my friends a liar. Oh dear. I'm sure that's not what you meant, right?

 

>(Flooding me with hate mail off-list is just bonus.)

 

That would be downright nasty ;=( I definitely wouldn't like hate mail. Of

course, all offlist mail that is unwelcome or on an unwelcome topic isn't hate

mail - can be just for discussion or argument. It can be deleted too.

 

> Do you feel threatened by raw foodists?

 

Nope. Not unless they sliced me or my friends up for lunch. How could it

possibly threaten me what someone else chooses to eat or not to eat (barring

the extreme situation I have just suggested)?

 

Anyway, I don't really think this is going anywhere good ;=(

 

Best,

 

Pat in Montreal ;=)

[Guest guest]

I hadn't read Mark's response until after I shot off my mouth so to speak along

with my last email. My responses, however, I'll let stand.

 

Sorry, PT.

 

Best,

 

Pat in Montreal

 

 

, reptile grrl <

reptilegoddess> wrote:

> I'm actually very interested in raw foodism, and really in any alternative

wayof being healthy. What gets *my* back up is anyone advocating that they

have the one true way, especially if they back it up with absolute falsehoods.

Dietary preaching is bad enough, but declaring that *your* way is best for

everyone is impolite at the very least. (Flooding me with hate mail off-list is

just bonus.)

>

> Do you feel threatened by raw foodists?

[Guest guest]

Mark Jackson <thesportsguru47

 

> Faced with the choice of changing ones mind or proving that there is no need >

to do so, most everybody gets busy on the proof!!! It is a simple proven fact

> that the more whole live foods that you eat, your chance of staying healthy

> and living a longer live increases, who can argue with that?

 

Pot. Kettle. Black.

 

You criticise people for giving " proof " for their arguements, followed by your

own allegation of proof?

 

I'd like to see this " scientific proof " that raw foodism increases lifespan.

I'd like to see it in peer-reviewed, respected scientific journals, not

anecdotes. The Atkins folks make very similar claims, and back them up with

" proof " . I've looked at the " research " they cite and don't find it to be good

science, so that affects my opinion of their claims. But if we can't see the

" proof " we can't evaluate the claims.

 

Do your claims of scientific proof take into account that people who maintain a

raw food diet are likely much more informed and active about making *other*

healthy choices in their lives and does it calculate the impact of those

decisions? Or is it a case of " everyone who breathes ends up dead, so breathing

must cause death " ?

 

So, please feel free to cite your sources, preferably reliable, peer-reviewed

legitimate. reproducable science. I'd be very interested in finding more

healthy ways to eat, but I'm not going to change my diet just because someone

says so. Show me the *science*.

 

-- Sherri

 

Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.

[Guest guest]

Yes... while I appreciate the information and enthusiasm, i think

that diet like spirituality, is personal. We gather information along

our path and hopefully make more informed choices per our personal

needs and desires.

 

, reptile grrl <reptilegoddess> wrote:

Dietary preaching is bad enough, but declaring that *your* way is

best for everyone is impolite at the very least. (Flooding me with

hate mail off-list is just bonus.)

>

> Do you feel threatened by raw foodists?

]

[Guest guest]

I picked up a raw/living foods recipe book I really like. It's called " vibrant

living " . can't remember the name of the author right off the bat, but the

recipes I tried so far I really like. :-D recipes include soups, salads,

crackers/snacks/ entrees, desserts, different drinks, etc. :-D

 

Megan