Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 Hello, fellow vegetarians, I have been a vegetarian since 1968, ultimately on ethical grounds, although of course I am glad that there are so many other good reasons -- health, economic, ecological. At the time I became a vegetarian, I had cats. One day I took my cat to the veterinarian to get a shot, the vet stuck a needle in him, and the cat let out a blood-curdling scream, and I realized that cats (and by extension other animals) don't like to have needles stuck in them or to be hurt in other ways, so how could I participate in animals being killed for food? I am still shocked, amazed, alarmed, and disgusted that so many people, even good, moral, ethical people, people who care about justice, go on blithely eating meat. I am on the border of being a vegan and an ovo-lacto-vegetarian. I do actually eat eggs and dairy products. But I don't need to and sometimes think of just being a pure vegan. In general I am interested in recipes that are reasonably high in protein and reasonably low in fat. I will be interested to see what this group is like. Jeremy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 Wow...Amen to all of this! Good to meet you Jeremy. I'm relatively new to this list too. Andrew - Jeremy J. Shapiro <jshapiro Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:02:11 -0400 Introduction of/from new member Hello, fellow vegetarians, I have been a vegetarian since 1968, ultimately on ethical grounds, although of course I am glad that there are so many other good reasons -- health, economic, ecological. At the time I became a vegetarian, I had cats. One day I took my cat to the veterinarian to get a shot, the vet stuck a needle in him, and the cat let out a blood-curdling scream, and I realized that cats (and by extension other animals) don't like to have needles stuck in them or to be hurt in other ways, so how could I participate in animals being killed for food? I am still shocked, amazed, alarmed, and disgusted that so many people, even good, moral, ethical people, people who care about justice, go on blithely eating meat. I am on the border of being a vegan and an ovo-lacto-vegetarian. I do actually eat eggs and dairy products. But I don't need to and sometimes think of just being a pure vegan. In general I am interested in recipes that are reasonably high in protein and reasonably low in fat. I will be interested to see what this group is like. Jeremy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 Love this group, too! I've been a veggie for 6 years. Simply put, I know I would not kill a cow, so how could I eat one? I am all for people who raise animals on farms, kill them and eat them (if that even happens in today's world). I can understand how someone can just go to the local store and buy a package of a dead cow to eat. It's just not right. Anyway, I will try to offer up some recipies soon. Becky Andrew Werling <awerling wrote: Wow...Amen to all of this! Good to meet you Jeremy. I'm relatively new to this list too. Andrew - Jeremy J. Shapiro <jshapiro Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:02:11 -0400 Introduction of/from new member Hello, fellow vegetarians, I have been a vegetarian since 1968, ultimately on ethical grounds, although of course I am glad that there are so many other good reasons -- health, economic, ecological. At the time I became a vegetarian, I had cats. One day I took my cat to the veterinarian to get a shot, the vet stuck a needle in him, and the cat let out a blood-curdling scream, and I realized that cats (and by extension other animals) don't like to have needles stuck in them or to be hurt in other ways, so how could I participate in animals being killed for food? I am still shocked, amazed, alarmed, and disgusted that so many people, even good, moral, ethical people, people who care about justice, go on blithely eating meat. I am on the border of being a vegan and an ovo-lacto-vegetarian. I do actually eat eggs and dairy products. But I don't need to and sometimes think of just being a pure vegan. In general I am interested in recipes that are reasonably high in protein and reasonably low in fat. I will be interested to see what this group is like. Jeremy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 Jeremy, welcome. To have been vegetarian since 68 is, imho, really something to be proud of. Lots of people have those kinds of opportunities for epiphany and never engage them. If you ever want thoughts on going vegan, I and a few others here can offer some. PETA's faq's were really useful in weighing things out for me. I finally did it after about a dozen years of the general ovolacto routine; four years on, nary a regret since. , " Jeremy J. Shapiro " <jshapiro@f...> wrote: > Hello, fellow vegetarians, > > I have been a vegetarian since 1968, ultimately on ethical grounds, > although of course I am glad that there are so many other good reasons -- > health, economic, ecological. At the time I became a vegetarian, I had > cats. One day I took my cat to the veterinarian to get a shot, the vet > stuck a needle in him, and the cat let out a blood-curdling scream, and I > realized that cats (and by extension other animals) don't like to have > needles stuck in them or to be hurt in other ways, so how could I > participate in animals being killed for food? I am still shocked, amazed, > alarmed, and disgusted that so many people, even good, moral, ethical > people, people who care about justice, go on blithely eating meat. > > I am on the border of being a vegan and an ovo-lacto-vegetarian. I do > actually eat eggs and dairy products. But I don't need to and sometimes > think of just being a pure vegan. > > In general I am interested in recipes that are reasonably high in protein > and reasonably low in fat. > > I will be interested to see what this group is like. > > Jeremy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 Warm welcome, Jeremy. i hope you will find this group to your liking. We already have many wonderful vegan recipes stored in our files and those types of recipes are frequently shared by the members. Thanks for joining to check us out. namaste ~ pt ~ Animals are reliable, many full of love, true in their affections, predictable in their actions, grateful and loyal. Difficult standards for people to live up to. ~ Alfred A. Montapert ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~~~> , " Jeremy J. Shapiro " < jshapiro@f...> wrote: > Hello, fellow vegetarians, > > I have been a vegetarian since 1968 > > In general I am interested in recipes that are reasonably high in protein > and reasonably low in fat. > > I will be interested to see what this group is like. > > Jeremy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 A vegetarian friend who was one of the indirect influences on my becoming a vegetarian, had exactly this approach. He would say, " if you personally would kill an animal for food, then you should/could eat them, but if you wouldn't, then you shouldn't buy and eat animals killed by others. " Since I know that I would never kill an animal to eat it, obviously I should never eat any meat. Jeremy At 10:14 PM 8/6/2004, your brain seems to have output the following: ----------------------- Simply put, I know I would not kill a cow, so how could I eat one? I am all for people who raise animals on farms, kill them and eat them (if that even happens in today's world). I can understand how someone can just go to the local store and buy a package of a dead cow to eat. It's just not right. ----------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 Yes, I agree that in principle it is better to be vegan, and in general I am very sympathetic to PETA and have been a supporter. I even go through vegan phases, I am just sometimes lazy. Also, my wife is not a vegetarian, although she doesn't eat meat at home, but having some ovo-lacto things sometimes makes it more possible for us to share various things. But I do often make vegan meals that she likes as well. I find I'm just a bit lazy in a way that has kept me from making the same kind of total commitment to being vegan that I have had for so long to being a vegetarian. Perhaps I will reconsider and put more energy into being vegan. Jeremy At 04:54 AM 8/7/2004, your brain seems to have output the following: ----------------------- Jeremy, welcome. To have been vegetarian since 68 is, imho, really something to be proud of. Lots of people have those kinds of opportunities for epiphany and never engage them. If you ever want thoughts on going vegan, I and a few others here can offer some. PETA's faq's were really useful in weighing things out for me. I finally did it after about a dozen years of the general ovolacto routine; four years on, nary a regret since. ----------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 Thanks, I have a good feeling about it already -- people have been welcoming, and the tone of the messages is quite pleasant and mutually supportive. Jeremy At 11:37 AM 8/7/2004, your brain seems to have output the following: ----------------------- Warm welcome, Jeremy. i hope you will find this group to your liking. ----------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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