Guest guest Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 On Saturday, August 14, 2004, at 07:23 AM, (AT) (DOT) com wrote: > Message: 13 > Sat, 14 Aug 2004 08:18:59 -0000 > " radcsusa " <radcsusa > Re: Digest Number 939 > >> One side is the size of Montana, the other the size of a thimble. > > Questionable, imho, at least in years prior like the 70's. Teamsters, > AFL-CIO were all great examples of power corrupts, and the leaderships > betrayed the membership. Go back to the 1920s and Henry Ford. Go back to the 1890s and the Molly Maguires in PA. > I personally think the corruption was at > least part of the reason for their decline; the way they used to bully > and blackmail tiny businesses to come under their thumb was utterly > Mafia-like, and happened by the zillions; you never heard about those > either. So let's see if we follow your logic. Because labor unions were corrupted and mobbed up, we are to sweep them away and let giant corporations do what ever they want to us, including pay us such low wages we must use Welfare, as well as shipping jobs off-shore and " out-sourcing " and creating delivery-on-demand situations, etc? > >> LOL - yes, no doubt she wandered out of the Free Speech Zone imposed > by el presidente, hm? > > I hear you on the Omaha rally, but this was Clinton days. No, it was not. This was only a couple months ago. Bill's lies did not affect either the nation or the lives of our children. W's lies have killed 1000 soldiers, uncounted numbers of mercenaries, untold numbers of civilians and other Iraqis, and so on, not to mention saddling us with the biggest debt ever, after inheriting a surplus, and let's not even bring up the tax shift from the richest onto the backs of the middle class, largest in history. That's all so UNimportant compared to a bit of nookie which was, in fact, a honey trap anyway. Linda Tripp sent Lewinski in to seduce Clinton and it worked; at the time, Yeltsin even stated that his intelligence pegged it as a honey trap. The right wing has just the other day done the same thing to the Governor of NJ, this time using an Israeli agent. Interesting times, aren't they? > Rapacity and corruption are rapacity and corruption wherever they > occurred. I won't be voting for Bush and his crew, but I do feel > standards are universal, not for one side alone. If you don't vote for W his minions will find out and come after you, you know. > > Don't blame me, I suggested sticking to the topic of shoes ;-) Is there a matter for blame in having a free-range discussion, then? Interesting viewpoint. > > To be well informed, one must read quickly a great number of merely instructive books. To be cultivated, one must read slowly and with a lingering appreciation the comparatively few books that have been written by men who lived, thought, and felt with style. -Aldous Huxley, writer (1894-1963) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 Actually, does anyone remember the aspirin factory? That was not exactly causality free. Bill killed too. Pardon the movie resemblance. All presidents kill, whether they mean to or not. But otherwise I mostly agree with you. Coco The Stewarts [stews9] Saturday, August 14, 2004 9:58 AM Why DO I Bother? On Saturday, August 14, 2004, at 07:23 AM, (AT) (DOT) com wrote: > Message: 13 > Sat, 14 Aug 2004 08:18:59 -0000 > " radcsusa " <radcsusa > Re: Digest Number 939 > >> One side is the size of Montana, the other the size of a thimble. > > Questionable, imho, at least in years prior like the 70's. Teamsters, > AFL-CIO were all great examples of power corrupts, and the leaderships > betrayed the membership. Go back to the 1920s and Henry Ford. Go back to the 1890s and the Molly Maguires in PA. > I personally think the corruption was at > least part of the reason for their decline; the way they used to bully > and blackmail tiny businesses to come under their thumb was utterly > Mafia-like, and happened by the zillions; you never heard about those > either. So let's see if we follow your logic. Because labor unions were corrupted and mobbed up, we are to sweep them away and let giant corporations do what ever they want to us, including pay us such low wages we must use Welfare, as well as shipping jobs off-shore and " out-sourcing " and creating delivery-on-demand situations, etc? > >> LOL - yes, no doubt she wandered out of the Free Speech Zone imposed > by el presidente, hm? > > I hear you on the Omaha rally, but this was Clinton days. No, it was not. This was only a couple months ago. Bill's lies did not affect either the nation or the lives of our children. W's lies have killed 1000 soldiers, uncounted numbers of mercenaries, untold numbers of civilians and other Iraqis, and so on, not to mention saddling us with the biggest debt ever, after inheriting a surplus, and let's not even bring up the tax shift from the richest onto the backs of the middle class, largest in history. That's all so UNimportant compared to a bit of nookie which was, in fact, a honey trap anyway. Linda Tripp sent Lewinski in to seduce Clinton and it worked; at the time, Yeltsin even stated that his intelligence pegged it as a honey trap. The right wing has just the other day done the same thing to the Governor of NJ, this time using an Israeli agent. Interesting times, aren't they? > Rapacity and corruption are rapacity and corruption wherever they > occurred. I won't be voting for Bush and his crew, but I do feel > standards are universal, not for one side alone. If you don't vote for W his minions will find out and come after you, you know. > > Don't blame me, I suggested sticking to the topic of shoes ;-) Is there a matter for blame in having a free-range discussion, then? Interesting viewpoint. > > To be well informed, one must read quickly a great number of merely instructive books. To be cultivated, one must read slowly and with a lingering appreciation the comparatively few books that have been written by men who lived, thought, and felt with style. -Aldous Huxley, writer (1894-1963) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2004 Report Share Posted August 14, 2004 , The Stewarts <stews9@c...> wrote: Bill's lies did not > affect either the nation or the lives of our children. W's lies have > killed 1000 soldiers, uncounted numbers of mercenaries, untold numbers of > civilians and other Iraqis, and so on, not to mention saddling us with the > biggest debt ever, after inheriting a surplus, and let's not even bring up > the tax shift from the richest onto the backs of the middle class, largest > in history. > > That's all so UNimportant compared to a bit of nookie which was, in fact, > a honey trap anyway. Linda Tripp sent Lewinski in to seduce Clinton and > it worked; at the time, Yeltsin even stated that his intelligence pegged > it as a honey trap. The right wing has just the other day done the same > thing to the Governor of NJ, this time using an Israeli agent. > > Interesting times, aren't they? Hm. Well I am starting to like you better now, better all the time. :-) Smart man... cheryll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 > Go back to the 1920s and Henry Ford. Go back to the 1890s and the > Molly Maguires in PA. I'm quite familiar with such history, I just had the temerity to note one could take the position you were overstating, -- and my observations were a little more contemporary than a century old. > So let's see if we follow your logic. Because labor unions were > corrupted and mobbed up, we are to sweep them away and let giant > corporations do what ever they want to us... Classic dishonest straw man argument. Whenever the other guy starts making sense, exaggerate his position into something even he would never recognize it, and attack that instead. Not precisely above board, as I suspect you are intelligent enough to know. You feel impelled to do this to a fellow vegetarian? > No, it was not [under Clinton]. This was only a couple months ago. I was referring to my incident, not yours, since that was the misunderstanding in your previous post. As for your Bill versus George tirade, you seem to be slow to catch on that I preferred Bill to George. Turn around and preach at the congregation, not the choir. If you have strong feelings on things political, you should still not let it get in the way of discerning to what someone else is saying in a discussion. > Is there a matter for blame in having a free-range discussion, then? > Interesting viewpoint. Straw-man exaggeration again, same not-quite-above-board issue as before, -- and it seems you chose to ignore the wink smiley too. My aren't we uptight. Loosen up a smidge, bud, it's just a vegetarian discussion board. , The Stewarts <stews9@c...> wrote: > On Saturday, August 14, 2004, at 07:23 AM, (AT) (DOT) > com wrote: > > > Message: 13 > > Sat, 14 Aug 2004 08:18:59 -0000 > > " radcsusa " <radcsusa@n...> > > Re: Digest Number 939 > > > >> One side is the size of Montana, the other the size of a thimble. > > > > Questionable, imho, at least in years prior like the 70's. Teamsters, > > AFL-CIO were all great examples of power corrupts, and the leaderships > > betrayed the membership. > > Go back to the 1920s and Henry Ford. Go back to the 1890s and the Molly > Maguires in PA. > > > I personally think the corruption was at > > least part of the reason for their decline; the way they used to bully > > and blackmail tiny businesses to come under their thumb was utterly > > Mafia-like, and happened by the zillions; you never heard about those > > either. > > So let's see if we follow your logic. Because labor unions were corrupted > and mobbed up, we are to sweep them away and let giant corporations do > what ever they want to us, including pay us such low wages we must use > Welfare, as well as shipping jobs off-shore and " out-sourcing " and > creating delivery-on-demand situations, etc? > > > > >> LOL - yes, no doubt she wandered out of the Free Speech Zone imposed > > by el presidente, hm? > > > > I hear you on the Omaha rally, but this was Clinton days. > > No, it was not. This was only a couple months ago. Bill's lies did not > affect either the nation or the lives of our children. W's lies have > killed 1000 soldiers, uncounted numbers of mercenaries, untold numbers of > civilians and other Iraqis, and so on, not to mention saddling us with the > biggest debt ever, after inheriting a surplus, and let's not even bring up > the tax shift from the richest onto the backs of the middle class, largest > in history. > > That's all so UNimportant compared to a bit of nookie which was, in fact, > a honey trap anyway. Linda Tripp sent Lewinski in to seduce Clinton and > it worked; at the time, Yeltsin even stated that his intelligence pegged > it as a honey trap. The right wing has just the other day done the same > thing to the Governor of NJ, this time using an Israeli agent. > > Interesting times, aren't they? > > > > Rapacity and corruption are rapacity and corruption wherever they > > occurred. I won't be voting for Bush and his crew, but I do feel > > standards are universal, not for one side alone. > > If you don't vote for W his minions will find out and come after you, you > know. > > > > Don't blame me, I suggested sticking to the topic of shoes ;-) > > Is there a matter for blame in having a free-range discussion, then? > Interesting viewpoint. > > > > > To be well informed, one must read quickly a great number of merely > instructive books. To be cultivated, one must read slowly and with a > lingering appreciation the comparatively few books that have been written > by men who lived, thought, and felt with style. > -Aldous Huxley, writer (1894-1963) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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