Guest guest Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 I'm very guilty of loving animals but refusing to beome vegetarian. Donna was very patient with me and I really gave her over 20 years of a hard time as I ate her delicious cooked creations and yet made rude comments. I see myself as a different person now after converting for the last 4 years and feel ashamed inside that I was that stubborn. My BP is almost in control without meds, my cholesterol is within normal range. I never thought I could find enough time to make myself meals and yet making vegetarian meals takes little effort and there are so many recipes to select from. Maybe the people in that group have decided to become vegetarians for medical reasons and the animals have nothing to do with it. They may not have reached that place yet in their lives. Sissy , <southernflower wrote: > > Way to go, Jenn!!!! Congrats!!!! This will make your life and your baby's > life sooo much easier and you'll be livin' in harmony!! I'm so happy for > y'all!!! > > I know just what you mean about quietly educating in kindness and > compassion. Dh and I do this at our church, dropping seeds hither and > yon...:>)...as it were... Recently a man who has been sneering at us for > weeks about being veg, accepted a book we loaned him and promised to read > it. The book was " Mad Cowboy " and I do advise everybody get a copy and read > it and then share it with others. > > Well, he came back with a very sobered look on his face and asked us " are > y'all vegans? " we told him we are half and half because it's so hard to be > straight vegan in our neck of the woods, at least. But that we try to stay > away from dairy as much as possible, and when we can't we use strictly > organic. His face was PALE, I mean to tell you! There were no more mocking > words from him; rather, he thanked me and dh for caring enough to share the > book with him...and he said " it will be hard to go without meat " , and we > said, 'not real hard, look at all the great products at Walmart and other > places, and we can help you with ideas for recipes, if you want'. He > brightened up and said, " Oh yeah, well, thanks, you guys, I really > appreciate it. " His wife came to me and said, " Well, don't you eat squirrel > or deer, I mean THEY eat natural things! " I winced and said, " No, and I > wouldn't think of it. The things they eat are full of pesticides that people > have put into the ground and that leach into the soil and the trees. And > besides, we wouldn't eat an animal EVER again, because it's cruel. " She > looked like she'd been hit over the head with a two by four. I don't think > she or her husband have yet had any thoughts about cruelty and > barbarism...sigh... > > But one must continue dropping the seeds...and be patient..or at least bite > one's lip... > > Remembering, " There but for the grace of God WENT I... " > > Congrats again, Jenn! > > hugs, > Bron > > > On 2/2/06, Jenny Rieck <jennrieck wrote: > > > > Thanks Shelly! He's (me too) is sooo proud of himself. > > He keeps reminding me that tomorrow he will have been > > a vegetarian for a week. He is really enjoying > > himself/ We went to our fav Mexican restaurant and he > > ordered a bean burrito (no lard) and was like " Did you > > see that? A week ago I would have ordered beef or > > chicken but now that I'm a vegetarian... " I have to > > say that being a vegetarian is almost a religious > > thing for me (a very heartfelt deep belief) and I feel > > like he's enlightened. He's really happy to be one of > > " us " . It's going to be much easier to raise a > > veggie child!! > > > > --- Shelly <anislandgirl wrote: > > > > > That is so great to hear!! There are several books > > > out there on the > > > subject of eating out as a veg*n that might help > > > your husband (first > > > one that comes to mind is Meatless Meals for Working > > > People.) It > > > helps to hear stories like yours as I attempt to > > > transition my omni > > > kids into a veg diet. > > > Congrats! > > > Shelly > > > > > > , Jenny Rieck > > > > > > <jennrieck> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone! I've been a vegetarian for 18 years > > > and > > > > tonight my omnivore (his Mom served veal for > > > > Christmas!) husband of 5 years came home and told > > > me > > > > that he wants to be a vegetarian. We have a 13 > > > month > > > > old son who I'm raising vegetarian and I'm so > > > excited! > > > > He said that he thinks he might have trouble when > > > he's > > > > on the road, " starving " , and the only thing to eat > > > is > > > > Wendy's or McDonald's. He (or I) will pack a snack > > > in > > > > order to avoid this problem. Anyway, I just feel > > > > elated, like one person (ME!) can quietly (ok, > > > > sometimes not so quietly) influence others to move > > > > toward kindness and compassion. I'll keep ya'll > > > > updated on his progress but for now I'm enjoying a > > > > " vegetarian victory " !! > > > > -Jenn > > > > PS Any snack ideas are appreciated!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 Well, Sissy, the impression I distinctly got was that the owner of the group was the sole person deciding nobody was going to talk about the fate of the animals. Bron On 2/3/06, pepepukpetunia <pepepukpetunia wrote: > > > I'm very guilty of loving animals but refusing to beome vegetarian. > Donna was very patient with me and I really gave her over 20 years of > a hard time as I ate her delicious cooked creations and yet made rude > comments. > I see myself as a different person now after converting for the last > 4 years and feel ashamed inside that I was that stubborn. My BP is > almost in control without meds, my cholesterol is within normal range. > I never thought I could find enough time to make myself meals and yet > making vegetarian meals takes little effort and there are so many > recipes to select from. > Maybe the people in that group have decided to become vegetarians for > medical reasons and the animals have nothing to do with it. They may > not have reached that place yet in their lives. > Sissy > > > , <southernflower wrote: > > > > Way to go, Jenn!!!! Congrats!!!! This will make your life and your > baby's > > life sooo much easier and you'll be livin' in harmony!! I'm so > happy for > > y'all!!! > > > > I know just what you mean about quietly educating in kindness and > > compassion. Dh and I do this at our church, dropping seeds hither > and > > yon...:>)...as it were... Recently a man who has been sneering at > us for > > weeks about being veg, accepted a book we loaned him and promised > to read > > it. The book was " Mad Cowboy " and I do advise everybody get a copy > and read > > it and then share it with others. > > > > Well, he came back with a very sobered look on his face and asked > us " are > > y'all vegans? " we told him we are half and half because it's so > hard to be > > straight vegan in our neck of the woods, at least. But that we try > to stay > > away from dairy as much as possible, and when we can't we use > strictly > > organic. His face was PALE, I mean to tell you! There were no more > mocking > > words from him; rather, he thanked me and dh for caring enough to > share the > > book with him...and he said " it will be hard to go without meat " , > and we > > said, 'not real hard, look at all the great products at Walmart and > other > > places, and we can help you with ideas for recipes, if you want'. He > > brightened up and said, " Oh yeah, well, thanks, you guys, I really > > appreciate it. " His wife came to me and said, " Well, don't you eat > squirrel > > or deer, I mean THEY eat natural things! " I winced and said, " No, > and I > > wouldn't think of it. The things they eat are full of pesticides > that people > > have put into the ground and that leach into the soil and the > trees. And > > besides, we wouldn't eat an animal EVER again, because it's cruel. " > She > > looked like she'd been hit over the head with a two by four. I > don't think > > she or her husband have yet had any thoughts about cruelty and > > barbarism...sigh... > > > > But one must continue dropping the seeds...and be patient..or at > least bite > > one's lip... > > > > Remembering, " There but for the grace of God WENT I... " > > > > Congrats again, Jenn! > > > > hugs, > > Bron > > > > > > On 2/2/06, Jenny Rieck <jennrieck wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Shelly! He's (me too) is sooo proud of himself. > > > He keeps reminding me that tomorrow he will have been > > > a vegetarian for a week. He is really enjoying > > > himself/ We went to our fav Mexican restaurant and he > > > ordered a bean burrito (no lard) and was like " Did you > > > see that? A week ago I would have ordered beef or > > > chicken but now that I'm a vegetarian... " I have to > > > say that being a vegetarian is almost a religious > > > thing for me (a very heartfelt deep belief) and I feel > > > like he's enlightened. He's really happy to be one of > > > " us " . It's going to be much easier to raise a > > > veggie child!! > > > > > > --- Shelly <anislandgirl wrote: > > > > > > > That is so great to hear!! There are several books > > > > out there on the > > > > subject of eating out as a veg*n that might help > > > > your husband (first > > > > one that comes to mind is Meatless Meals for Working > > > > People.) It > > > > helps to hear stories like yours as I attempt to > > > > transition my omni > > > > kids into a veg diet. > > > > Congrats! > > > > Shelly > > > > > > > > , Jenny Rieck > > > > > > > > <jennrieck> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone! I've been a vegetarian for 18 years > > > > and > > > > > tonight my omnivore (his Mom served veal for > > > > > Christmas!) husband of 5 years came home and told > > > > me > > > > > that he wants to be a vegetarian. We have a 13 > > > > month > > > > > old son who I'm raising vegetarian and I'm so > > > > excited! > > > > > He said that he thinks he might have trouble when > > > > he's > > > > > on the road, " starving " , and the only thing to eat > > > > is > > > > > Wendy's or McDonald's. He (or I) will pack a snack > > > > in > > > > > order to avoid this problem. Anyway, I just feel > > > > > elated, like one person (ME!) can quietly (ok, > > > > > sometimes not so quietly) influence others to move > > > > > toward kindness and compassion. I'll keep ya'll > > > > > updated on his progress but for now I'm enjoying a > > > > > " vegetarian victory " !! > > > > > -Jenn > > > > > PS Any snack ideas are appreciated!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 And as to the people at our church, not only did they make rude comments to us " aside " , they barged in on conversations we had with others and made very snide remarks. You could tell that we threatened them in some way. But it was tough for us because of the increasingly hostile remarks and comments. So this has been a major victory at both ends of the spectrum. That's what I was saying. Bron On 2/3/06, southernflower <southernflower wrote: > > Well, Sissy, the impression I distinctly got was that the owner of the > group was the sole person deciding nobody was going to talk about the fate > of the animals. > > Bron > > > On 2/3/06, pepepukpetunia <pepepukpetunia wrote: > > > > > > I'm very guilty of loving animals but refusing to beome vegetarian. > > Donna was very patient with me and I really gave her over 20 years of > > a hard time as I ate her delicious cooked creations and yet made rude > > comments. > > I see myself as a different person now after converting for the last > > 4 years and feel ashamed inside that I was that stubborn. My BP is > > almost in control without meds, my cholesterol is within normal range. > > I never thought I could find enough time to make myself meals and yet > > making vegetarian meals takes little effort and there are so many > > recipes to select from. > > Maybe the people in that group have decided to become vegetarians for > > medical reasons and the animals have nothing to do with it. They may > > not have reached that place yet in their lives. > > Sissy > > > > > > , <southernflower wrote: > > > > > > Way to go, Jenn!!!! Congrats!!!! This will make your life and your > > baby's > > > life sooo much easier and you'll be livin' in harmony!! I'm so > > happy for > > > y'all!!! > > > > > > I know just what you mean about quietly educating in kindness and > > > compassion. Dh and I do this at our church, dropping seeds hither > > and > > > yon...:>)...as it were... Recently a man who has been sneering at > > us for > > > weeks about being veg, accepted a book we loaned him and promised > > to read > > > it. The book was " Mad Cowboy " and I do advise everybody get a copy > > and read > > > it and then share it with others. > > > > > > Well, he came back with a very sobered look on his face and asked > > us " are > > > y'all vegans? " we told him we are half and half because it's so > > hard to be > > > straight vegan in our neck of the woods, at least. But that we try > > to stay > > > away from dairy as much as possible, and when we can't we use > > strictly > > > organic. His face was PALE, I mean to tell you! There were no more > > mocking > > > words from him; rather, he thanked me and dh for caring enough to > > share the > > > book with him...and he said " it will be hard to go without meat " , > > and we > > > said, 'not real hard, look at all the great products at Walmart and > > other > > > places, and we can help you with ideas for recipes, if you want'. He > > > brightened up and said, " Oh yeah, well, thanks, you guys, I really > > > appreciate it. " His wife came to me and said, " Well, don't you eat > > squirrel > > > or deer, I mean THEY eat natural things! " I winced and said, " No, > > and I > > > wouldn't think of it. The things they eat are full of pesticides > > that people > > > have put into the ground and that leach into the soil and the > > trees. And > > > besides, we wouldn't eat an animal EVER again, because it's cruel. " > > She > > > looked like she'd been hit over the head with a two by four. I > > don't think > > > she or her husband have yet had any thoughts about cruelty and > > > barbarism...sigh... > > > > > > But one must continue dropping the seeds...and be patient..or at > > least bite > > > one's lip... > > > > > > Remembering, " There but for the grace of God WENT I... " > > > > > > Congrats again, Jenn! > > > > > > hugs, > > > Bron > > > > > > > > > On 2/2/06, Jenny Rieck <jennrieck wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks Shelly! He's (me too) is sooo proud of himself. > > > > He keeps reminding me that tomorrow he will have been > > > > a vegetarian for a week. He is really enjoying > > > > himself/ We went to our fav Mexican restaurant and he > > > > ordered a bean burrito (no lard) and was like " Did you > > > > see that? A week ago I would have ordered beef or > > > > chicken but now that I'm a vegetarian... " I have to > > > > say that being a vegetarian is almost a religious > > > > thing for me (a very heartfelt deep belief) and I feel > > > > like he's enlightened. He's really happy to be one of > > > > " us " . It's going to be much easier to raise a > > > > veggie child!! > > > > > > > > --- Shelly <anislandgirl wrote: > > > > > > > > > That is so great to hear!! There are several books > > > > > out there on the > > > > > subject of eating out as a veg*n that might help > > > > > your husband (first > > > > > one that comes to mind is Meatless Meals for Working > > > > > People.) It > > > > > helps to hear stories like yours as I attempt to > > > > > transition my omni > > > > > kids into a veg diet. > > > > > Congrats! > > > > > Shelly > > > > > > > > > > , Jenny Rieck > > > > > > > > > > <jennrieck> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone! I've been a vegetarian for 18 years > > > > > and > > > > > > tonight my omnivore (his Mom served veal for > > > > > > Christmas!) husband of 5 years came home and told > > > > > me > > > > > > that he wants to be a vegetarian. We have a 13 > > > > > month > > > > > > old son who I'm raising vegetarian and I'm so > > > > > excited! > > > > > > He said that he thinks he might have trouble when > > > > > he's > > > > > > on the road, " starving " , and the only thing to eat > > > > > is > > > > > > Wendy's or McDonald's. He (or I) will pack a snack > > > > > in > > > > > > order to avoid this problem. Anyway, I just feel > > > > > > elated, like one person (ME!) can quietly (ok, > > > > > > sometimes not so quietly) influence others to move > > > > > > toward kindness and compassion. I'll keep ya'll > > > > > > updated on his progress but for now I'm enjoying a > > > > > > " vegetarian victory " !! > > > > > > -Jenn > > > > > > PS Any snack ideas are appreciated!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > > > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 > Well, Sissy, the impression I distinctly got was that the owner of the > group was the sole person deciding nobody was going to talk about the > fate of the animals. No offense, Bron, but isn't that the group owner's prerogative? This group is particularly open and chatty because the owner likes it that way, but each group has its own character and " ambience " , and each has different rules for what is on or off topic. But I am glad to hear about the dude reading Mad Cowboy!! :-) You are doing a great job influencing people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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