Guest guest Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 Sissy, Put away the shame and regrets for not becoming a Vegetarian sooner. Instead give yourself the well deserved praise for being the caring , healthy person you are and have been for the last 4 years. I will bet there are many who envy you and many more who are very proud of what you are becoming. You did the best you could with the information you had at the time. I always tell myself " we are all at our own level of understanding " . People will be influenced by your example. I usually say nothing about my lifestyle unless someone says " wow you look good for your age or why are you always so happy, or you mean you don't have to take any medication? " Then I smile and say " must be because I choose not to eat flesh " ..I can tell you that most people are repulsed by the word *flesh*. LOL Sometimes the Vegetarian information is overwhelming all at once so if asked I just advise as a starter to eliminate red meat. Have fun life is a great adventure Smiles and hugs Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 I think that in the United States today, vegetarianism is mostly the preserve of the white and middle-class. People of color and poor people do not have the time to experiment with different vegetarian dishes, as nutritious as they may be. They are always pressed for time, thus prepared packages of food (normally not vegetarian) are the choice of the moment. Finally, African-Americans traditionally have not had access to fresh food in inner-city neighborhoods. Neither have they had a historical familiarity with vegetarianism. Slaves were fed gristle, bone, and fatty foods. But that being the case, the high rate of diabetes and hypertension prevalent in the black population would certainly decrease with a vegetarian diet.But I can't see much changing in the near future. Poor people buy bologna, not balsamic vinegar. Denise On 2/3/06, southernflower <southernflower wrote: > > I agree with that, y'all. I just got a polite but warning email from a > group > I joined thinking everybody would be on the same page as me, you know, > loving and caring for animals as a whole--it was a group for vegetarian > diabetics--somebody posted they were newly diagnosed and how did they get > their protein, so I told 'em. :>) And also talked about fish and how fish > suffer pain, because another person said that " they were vegetarian but > ate > fish " ...I was like, What is up with THAT? and proceeded to disabuse the > group of THAT notion. It wasn't well taken at all, at all... > > But at least the owner of the group had the decency to cut me about it OFF > the list. " We don't discuss animal suffering or cruelty at all on this > list. " I said, " oooookay...well, then, I don't belong on this list, I > reckon! " and subsequently took myself off. > > I don't get how you can be a vegetarian and not care about animals!!!!! > > Bron, > shaking her head... > > > On 2/3/06, genny_y2k <genny_y2k wrote: > > > > Jenny, > > I feel the same about being a Vegetarian. It is a deep spiritual > > experience. Everything in one's life begins to change. There is such a > > caring for all life and pure joy in everyday living. It seems like > > one's mind becomes calm and open to new understandings. > > I now understand why our ancient ancestors thanked plants and animals > > for their gifts of life. > > Deanna > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 while I agree with much of what you said, and know that most of the items advertised in the sunday coupons section are not always the healthiest... I have to say that we've been vegetarian on a minuscule income... maybe there is a need for information on eating a veg diet while living frugally.. I hear so often how expensive it is.. yet I know from experience it can be done cheaply. jenni On Feb 3, 2006, at 8:22 PM, Miss Denise wrote: > Poor people buy bologna, not balsamic > vinegar. > > Denise Jenni Billings jenni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 amen to that! Meg Jenni Billings wrote: > while I agree with much of what you said, and know that most of the > items advertised in the sunday coupons section are not always the > healthiest... I have to say that we've been vegetarian on a minuscule > income... maybe there is a need for information on eating a veg diet > while living frugally.. I hear so often how expensive it is.. yet I > know from experience it can be done cheaply. > > jenni > > On Feb 3, 2006, at 8:22 PM, Miss Denise wrote: > > > Poor people buy bologna, not balsamic > > vinegar. > > > > Denise > > Jenni Billings > jenni > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 Part of the problem is the taste. I know from having 1/2 Hispanics n my fmaily that the older generation wants chorizo and lard beuase they grew up with the flavor and it has nothing to do with cost. Many of the younger ones are following the same pattern. I work with an African American woman that has borderline diabetes, hypertension and raging cholesterol. I've tried to help her but she said, nope I want hot links for breakfast and I have to have my 3 packets of sugar in my coffee and I want the grease in my greens because I grew up on it and crave it. I'm still hoping she will try some of the recipes from our group and cut down somewhat. Lawanna has greens recipes in our files that are delicious, vegetarian and almost fat-free. Good we brought this up, yesterday there was a white couple in front of me at the market and they spent $195 on their groceries and it was nothing but Ding Dongs, Lucky Charms, bologna, hot dogs, bubble gum, boxed donuts, Kool-Aid, 3 of the 5 pound bags of white sugar, ice cream, frozen fried chicken, loaves of the cheapest bread. Not one vegetable and two gallons of whole milk. It's was a high grocery bill for nothing but junk and I'm sure all that was going home to their kids. The doctors probably have the kids on medication for being ADHD because they can't sit still in the classroom. I think most of these eating habits run in all races and ethnic groups. My Filipina girlfriend is having problems with her 12 year old son. He always ate her home cooked meals and now he turns his back on vegetables and wants burgers, fries, Cokes and pizza, he tells her she cooks like someone from an old country and he wants to eat like an American and grow big. Most of the young women I work with come in at 7am with a Coke and donut for breakfast and most are Mothers so I'm sure they will pass that habit right on down the line. It's sad to see, isn't it? Donna Miss Denise <cooljazzcafe wrote: I think that in the United States today, vegetarianism is mostly the preserve of the white and middle-class. People of color and poor people do not have the time to experiment with different vegetarian dishes, as nutritious as they may be. They are always pressed for time, thus prepared packages of food (normally not vegetarian) are the choice of the moment. Finally, African-Americans traditionally have not had access to fresh food in inner-city neighborhoods. Neither have they had a historical familiarity with vegetarianism. Slaves were fed gristle, bone, and fatty foods. But that being the case, the high rate of diabetes and hypertension prevalent in the black population would certainly decrease with a vegetarian diet.But I can't see much changing in the near future. Poor people buy bologna, not balsamic vinegar. Denise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 I'm Mexican and my one sister is the only one that will really read information on nutrition and try recipes I bring her from the files. She finally stopped using lard in tamales. It's a big deal in my family to eat with the old tradition. They like the taste of lard in food that is fried. My Mom has time to cook and money to buy better food but she likes the old ways. I'm happy my sister made a change and she is working on them. Over 6 months ago I never thought I would be a vegetarian, I always thought they were some health freak and only ate lettuce. Man was I wrong. Paul , Miss Denise <cooljazzcafe wrote: > > I think that in the United States today, vegetarianism is mostly the > preserve of the white and middle-class. People of color and poor people do > not have the time to experiment with different vegetarian dishes, as > nutritious as they may be. They are always pressed for time, thus prepared > packages of food (normally not vegetarian) are the choice of the moment. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 -Paul, Please ask your sister for info on how to make tamales without lard. I have been looking for just the right recipe and instructions so I can learn to make them. I changed the Fideo recipe by simmering the pre-browned pasta , onion, etc. in two cups of vegetable stock. After that was completey absorbed I added 1 can crushed tomatoes, and 1 can of tomato sauce + 2 cups vegetable juice. . I also added 1 Tab.of canned diced chilis. I added 1/4 teaspoon of basil and 1/4 teaspoon of Cilantro . I didn't have time to buy the Fideo pasta so like I said I used the Orzo which I love. Can't wait to have the left-overs today for lunch. I suspect like most things the flavors will have blended nicely overnight in the frig. Thanks again for a tasty recipe Deanna-- In , " paulvatoloco " <paulvatoloco wrote: > > > I'm Mexican and my one sister is the only one that will really read > information on nutrition and try recipes I bring her from the files. > She finally stopped using lard in tamales. It's a big deal in my > family to eat with the old tradition. They like the taste of lard in > food that is fried. My Mom has time to cook and money to buy better > food but she likes the old ways. I'm happy my sister made a change and > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 I think that being veg can actually be cheaper, but not if you're buying lots of processed foods to suppplement your diet. veggies, rice, etc are cheap. It's the weeks when I decide to buy crackers and cereal and soy burgers and premade soups that the bill is outrageous, um, also those organic strawberries really run up the tab : ) maybe being veg sounds difficult and exotic to some people....there is still the notion floating around that you have to make sure you get " complete' proteins, etc. just my take...melissa p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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