Guest guest Posted December 2, 2005 Report Share Posted December 2, 2005 Yeah, what's that all about, the " dog " thing. How about " vieners- " wouldn't the word be pronounced that way anyway? Love the " neatballs! " Chessie On Behalf Of huggybugs2003 Friday, December 02, 2005 7:59 AM Re: New Vegan Products From Morningstar Farms , " E.R. Bakwin " <bakwin@s...> wrote: > > Chessie wrote: > > <<I also use the lunch slices - we call it soylogna>> > > What a fun little side conversation....what do all of us call those things? > I think someone already said this but- we call them " veggielogna " and " veggieroni " for the balogna and pepperoni. As for the weiners, my daughter coined the term " cool dogs " although she is still trying to think of a replacement for the " dog " part. Why are they called " dogs " anyway? What a gross thought! Heather For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2005 Report Share Posted December 3, 2005 Melanie, you were correct. They are strips. When I said " centerpiece, " I just meant the main dish of the meal. , melanie casto <melaniekcasto> wrote: > > Huh, if it is like a centerpiece meat, you could make steak and gravy. Mushroom gravy would be good. Here I thought they were strips and centered my whole last response on ideas to do with strips. LOL! I live in a small town, Morningstar Farms is hard to come by sometimes, and I haven't seen these new products. > > I don't think I could handle it if it was too much like meat either. My husband would probably love it though. > > Melanie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2005 Report Share Posted December 3, 2005 On CSI they said that it came from a vendor selling " Hot Dachshund Sausages " . When other competing vendors started selling them they shortened it to " Hot Dogs " . Not sure if it is true but that was what Grisham said. Jacqueline http://adhdnme.blogspot.com On Behalf Of Chessie December 2, 2005 11:34 AM RE: Re: New Vegan Products From Morningstar Farms Yeah, what's that all about, the " dog " thing. How about " vieners- " wouldn't the word be pronounced that way anyway? Love the " neatballs! " Chessie On Behalf Of huggybugs2003 Friday, December 02, 2005 7:59 AM Re: New Vegan Products From Morningstar Farms , " E.R. Bakwin " <bakwin@s...> wrote: > > Chessie wrote: > > <<I also use the lunch slices - we call it soylogna>> > > What a fun little side conversation....what do all of us call those things? > I think someone already said this but- we call them " veggielogna " and " veggieroni " for the balogna and pepperoni. As for the weiners, my daughter coined the term " cool dogs " although she is still trying to think of a replacement for the " dog " part. Why are they called " dogs " anyway? What a gross thought! Heather For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2005 Report Share Posted December 3, 2005 And, after all, Grisham is usually right! Chessie - " Jacq " <jacqcote Friday, December 02, 2005 9:16 PM RE: Re: New Vegan Products From Morningstar Farms > On CSI they said that it came from a vendor selling " Hot Dachshund > Sausages " . When other competing vendors started selling them they shortened > it to " Hot Dogs " . Not sure if it is true but that was what Grisham said. > > > Jacqueline > > http://adhdnme.blogspot.com > > > On > Behalf Of Chessie > December 2, 2005 11:34 AM > > RE: Re: New Vegan Products From Morningstar Farms > > Yeah, what's that all about, the " dog " thing. How about " vieners- " wouldn't > the word be pronounced that way anyway? Love the " neatballs! " > > Chessie > > > On > Behalf Of huggybugs2003 > Friday, December 02, 2005 7:59 AM > > Re: New Vegan Products From Morningstar Farms > > , " E.R. Bakwin " <bakwin@s...> wrote: > > > > Chessie wrote: > > > > <<I also use the lunch slices - we call it soylogna>> > > > > What a fun little side conversation....what do all of us call those > things? > > > I think someone already said this but- we call them > " veggielogna " and " veggieroni " for the balogna and pepperoni. > As for the weiners, my daughter coined the term " cool dogs " > although she is still trying to think of a replacement for the " dog " > part. Why are they called " dogs " anyway? What a gross thought! > Heather > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at > http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to > http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to > provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a > qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health > professional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2005 Report Share Posted December 3, 2005 Okay. But from the picture I saw they are pretty big strips. I haven't seen them around here yet. I even went to the Co-op yesterday and they didn't have them. They were stocking yesterday so perhaps that was one of the things they stocked after I went through. Melanie Lisa <lisaviafamily wrote: Melanie, you were correct. They are strips. When I said " centerpiece, " I just meant the main dish of the meal. Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Personals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 Nikki, I agree with you about wanting to see products with names that no longer mention the old meat names. With 95% (or thereabouts) of the population still omnivores, I can see why the manufacturers target them by using names like Chikn, riblets, etc. And that's probably a good thing to encourage those folks to seek out cruelty-free and healthier substitutes. But for those of us who have moved on and no longer wish to be reminded of animal suffering when we eat vegan products, I think it would be nice to see original veg*n names that are nothing like the omni names. And, also, there is the political point about " framing " issues. When we frame an issue (or product) from the point of view of the opposition, we've already lost the argument. [As an example, tax cuts are framed by advocates as " tax relief " , because it implies that taxes are a burden that needs to be relieved, and it is hard to argue against relieving people of a burden] I think, to some extent, as long as we are eating dogs and burgers and nuggets, even the veggie versions, we're still defining ourselves (or at least our food) in omni terms, and paradoxically, perhaps reinforcing the omni diet. I mean we can't even verbalize what we are eating (e.g., chikn nuggets) without sounding like we just drove through McDonald's for a Happy Meal. So, for those just considering veggie options or those in transition, I can see the value of naming products much like the meat versions. But, for those nearer their veg*n destination, I think we would be better off if we could leave those names (and bad images/memories) behind. - Alan , " lilmunkydunk " <lilmunkydunk@a...> wrote: > > ... I would like it if the manufacturers would > move away from using the same titles as used for meat, since the > meaty similarity really isn't important to me personally. It is > helpful, however, when serving non-veg'n friends and family members. > > Nikki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 You could call burgers, patties and I think there is nothing wrong with nuggets because that just describes the shape and size. You could say tofu nuggets or whatever. As for veggie dogs, I'm not sure what else you could call them. Any ideas? Jacqueline C. Who had a great 2 days of veggie restaurant food in Halifax. Satisfaction Feast was delicious and my dad (omni) had a veggie BLT and loved it! > > " Alan " <soy_decaf_latte > 2005/12/05 Mon PM 09:11:54 EST > > Re: New Vegan Products From Morningstar Farms > > Nikki, > > I agree with you about wanting to see products with names that no > longer mention the old meat names. > > With 95% (or thereabouts) of the population still omnivores, I can > see why the manufacturers target them by using names like Chikn, > riblets, etc. And that's probably a good thing to encourage those > folks to seek out cruelty-free and healthier substitutes. > > But for those of us who have moved on and no longer wish to be > reminded of animal suffering when we eat vegan products, I think it > would be nice to see original veg*n names that are nothing like the > omni names. > > And, also, there is the political point about " framing " issues. When > we frame an issue (or product) from the point of view of the > opposition, we've already lost the argument. [As an example, tax > cuts are framed by advocates as " tax relief " , because it implies that > taxes are a burden that needs to be relieved, and it is hard to argue > against relieving people of a burden] I think, to some extent, as > long as we are eating dogs and burgers and nuggets, even the veggie > versions, we're still defining ourselves (or at least our food) in > omni terms, and paradoxically, perhaps reinforcing the omni diet. I > mean we can't even verbalize what we are eating (e.g., chikn nuggets) > without sounding like we just drove through McDonald's for a Happy > Meal. > > So, for those just considering veggie options or those in transition, > I can see the value of naming products much like the meat versions. > But, for those nearer their veg*n destination, I think we would be > better off if we could leave those names (and bad images/memories) > behind. > > - Alan > > > > , " lilmunkydunk " <lilmunkydunk@a...> > wrote: > > > > ... I would like it if the manufacturers would > > move away from using the same titles as used for meat, since the > > meaty similarity really isn't important to me personally. It is > > helpful, however, when serving non-veg'n friends and family members. > > > > Nikki > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 This really is an important issue to me right now, because we are the only veg*ns we know, and when we go out to eat or when my kids visit relatives, they are confused by " that bacon " vs. " our bacon, " ditto for lunch " meat. " So I am trying to do two things: one is to use non-meat language (soylogna, tofu strips, nuggets, tofurkey) and the other is to make sure that I always send food with them. My mom will either have the soy food or make a veg*n meal, but when they visit my parents at my dad's house, that isn't the case (mom and dad don't live together because of their jobs). He will do things like make breakfast with bacon and sausage, forgetting that the girls don't eat it. And I've noticed them being confused at restaurants too. It's a blessing and curse to have meat alternatives that might woo omnis to try them, but will also confuse baby veg*ns! Chessie On Behalf Of jacqcote Wednesday, December 07, 2005 8:42 AM Re: Re: New Vegan Products From Morningstar Farms You could call burgers, patties and I think there is nothing wrong with nuggets because that just describes the shape and size. You could say tofu nuggets or whatever. As for veggie dogs, I'm not sure what else you could call them. Any ideas? Jacqueline C. Who had a great 2 days of veggie restaurant food in Halifax. Satisfaction Feast was delicious and my dad (omni) had a veggie BLT and loved it! > > " Alan " <soy_decaf_latte > 2005/12/05 Mon PM 09:11:54 EST > > Re: New Vegan Products From Morningstar Farms > > Nikki, > > I agree with you about wanting to see products with names that no > longer mention the old meat names. > > With 95% (or thereabouts) of the population still omnivores, I can > see why the manufacturers target them by using names like Chikn, > riblets, etc. And that's probably a good thing to encourage those > folks to seek out cruelty-free and healthier substitutes. > > But for those of us who have moved on and no longer wish to be > reminded of animal suffering when we eat vegan products, I think it > would be nice to see original veg*n names that are nothing like the > omni names. > > And, also, there is the political point about " framing " issues. When > we frame an issue (or product) from the point of view of the > opposition, we've already lost the argument. [As an example, tax > cuts are framed by advocates as " tax relief " , because it implies that > taxes are a burden that needs to be relieved, and it is hard to argue > against relieving people of a burden] I think, to some extent, as > long as we are eating dogs and burgers and nuggets, even the veggie > versions, we're still defining ourselves (or at least our food) in > omni terms, and paradoxically, perhaps reinforcing the omni diet. I > mean we can't even verbalize what we are eating (e.g., chikn nuggets) > without sounding like we just drove through McDonald's for a Happy > Meal. > > So, for those just considering veggie options or those in transition, > I can see the value of naming products much like the meat versions. > But, for those nearer their veg*n destination, I think we would be > better off if we could leave those names (and bad images/memories) > behind. > > - Alan > > > > , " lilmunkydunk " <lilmunkydunk@a...> > wrote: > > > > ... I would like it if the manufacturers would > > move away from using the same titles as used for meat, since the > > meaty similarity really isn't important to me personally. It is > > helpful, however, when serving non-veg'n friends and family members. > > > > Nikki > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Hi, I'm coming in late to the conversation but I've always placed a " shma " in front of the product description when talking to my child. As in " shmacon " , " shmloney " " smiken " . He is now almost 4 and totally gets the difference between a meat product and the veggy counterpart. He actually taught the convention to his classmates at preschool which was a riot! Fran Chessie <vegetariyum wrote: This really is an important issue to me right now, because we are the only veg*ns we know, and when we go out to eat or when my kids visit relatives, they are confused by " that bacon " vs. " our bacon, " ditto for lunch " meat. " So I am trying to do two things: one is to use non-meat language (soylogna, tofu strips, nuggets, tofurkey) and the other is to make sure that I always send food with them. My mom will either have the soy food or make a veg*n meal, but when they visit my parents at my dad's house, that isn't the case (mom and dad don't live together because of their jobs). He will do things like make breakfast with bacon and sausage, forgetting that the girls don't eat it. And I've noticed them being confused at restaurants too. It's a blessing and curse to have meat alternatives that might woo omnis to try them, but will also confuse baby veg*ns! Chessie On Behalf Of jacqcote Wednesday, December 07, 2005 8:42 AM Re: Re: New Vegan Products From Morningstar Farms You could call burgers, patties and I think there is nothing wrong with nuggets because that just describes the shape and size. You could say tofu nuggets or whatever. As for veggie dogs, I'm not sure what else you could call them. Any ideas? Jacqueline C. Who had a great 2 days of veggie restaurant food in Halifax. Satisfaction Feast was delicious and my dad (omni) had a veggie BLT and loved it! > > " Alan " <soy_decaf_latte > 2005/12/05 Mon PM 09:11:54 EST > > Re: New Vegan Products From Morningstar Farms > > Nikki, > > I agree with you about wanting to see products with names that no > longer mention the old meat names. > > With 95% (or thereabouts) of the population still omnivores, I can > see why the manufacturers target them by using names like Chikn, > riblets, etc. And that's probably a good thing to encourage those > folks to seek out cruelty-free and healthier substitutes. > > But for those of us who have moved on and no longer wish to be > reminded of animal suffering when we eat vegan products, I think it > would be nice to see original veg*n names that are nothing like the > omni names. > > And, also, there is the political point about " framing " issues. When > we frame an issue (or product) from the point of view of the > opposition, we've already lost the argument. [As an example, tax > cuts are framed by advocates as " tax relief " , because it implies that > taxes are a burden that needs to be relieved, and it is hard to argue > against relieving people of a burden] I think, to some extent, as > long as we are eating dogs and burgers and nuggets, even the veggie > versions, we're still defining ourselves (or at least our food) in > omni terms, and paradoxically, perhaps reinforcing the omni diet. I > mean we can't even verbalize what we are eating (e.g., chikn nuggets) > without sounding like we just drove through McDonald's for a Happy > Meal. > > So, for those just considering veggie options or those in transition, > I can see the value of naming products much like the meat versions. > But, for those nearer their veg*n destination, I think we would be > better off if we could leave those names (and bad images/memories) > behind. > > - Alan > > > > , " lilmunkydunk " <lilmunkydunk@a...> > wrote: > > > > ... I would like it if the manufacturers would > > move away from using the same titles as used for meat, since the > > meaty similarity really isn't important to me personally. It is > > helpful, however, when serving non-veg'n friends and family members. > > > > Nikki > > For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. > > edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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