cow's milk substitute for one year old

[Guest guest]

Wendy,

I'd suggest almond milk. We are drinking more of that lately. It tastes more

like cow milk. And it's not a nut- almonds are fruit. They now make

unsweetened almond milk. You can alternate that with the rice milk.

Hope that helps.

Laura

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

 

I'm looking for thoughts about what I could supplement my son's diet with in

lieu of whole cow's milk - I'm still breastfeeding, but my guy is getting less

and less interested and I have a feeling he'll wean himself shortly. We have a

history of allergies so I'm leaning towards rice instead of soy or nutmilks, but

the fat seems a lot less in the rice milk. Any ideas on a beverage (I'm willing

to make something, too) that would be comparable or better than cow's milk?

 

Thank you!!

Wendy

 

 

Wendy Dean

wjlarlington

202.312.3492 (w)

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Wendy,

 

There are enriched soy and rice milks that have the same fat and nutrients as

cow. Another option would be to pump and give the milk to your son in a sippy

cup.

 

My daughter abruptly weaned herself at 22 months. I was surprised at how said

I felt.

 

Robin

 

Wendy Dean <wjlarlington wrote:

Hi there,

 

I'm looking for thoughts about what I could supplement my son's diet with in

lieu of whole cow's milk - I'm still breastfeeding, but my guy is getting less

and less interested and I have a feeling he'll wean himself shortly. We have a

history of allergies so I'm leaning towards rice instead of soy or nutmilks, but

the fat seems a lot less in the rice milk. Any ideas on a beverage (I'm willing

to make something, too) that would be comparable or better than cow's milk?

 

Thank you!!

Wendy

 

 

Wendy Dean

wjlarlington

202.312.3492 (w)

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Well dang it. I just now typed up a response, really good with nutrition facts

from whole cow's milk that I looked up, and from soy and rice milk- I got both

out of the fridge and put them on the computer desk so I'd get them right. Our

computer is acting funny, and I clicked the tab for the dairy site I got the

milk info from to close it and my e-mail shut down. So here's the replacement

response, and I'm not going back to the refrigerator!!

Protein is easy to find from other sources. So is fat. What I looked for when I

switched my kids from cow's milk to soy and rice milk, was sugar, calcium, and

iron. Cow's milk has more sugar than even vanilla soy or rice milk. They don't

need the sugar, so less is best. Plain versions are great. I buy 8th Continent

soymilk and Rice Dream rice milk, and both of them have 30% calcium, while whole

cow's milk only has 25%. Not a lot of foods have calcium- not much, anyway- so

this is important to me. Also, iron is so important, and without meat in the

diet we have to be creative on how we get iron. Cow's milk has none, while soy

and rice milk have 4%. My kids take Poly Vi Sol vitamins about every other day

(they have a great diet and I don't feel like they need it every day, plus I

don't trust " fake " vitamins as much as I trust real food sources), and it does

contain iron. Fat and protein are easy to find elsewhere. Cow's milk is not

designed for humans, it's designed for baby

cows. My kids love their soy and rice milk, and I feel good giving it to them.

My son does have problems with soymilk, so he gets just rice milk, and he is

very, very healthy, and a perfectly developed 1 1/2 year-old.

 

Kadee Sedtal

 

Wendy Dean <wjlarlington wrote: Hi

there,

 

I'm looking for thoughts about what I could supplement my son's diet with in

lieu of whole cow's milk - I'm still breastfeeding, but my guy is getting less

and less interested and I have a feeling he'll wean himself shortly. We have a

history of allergies so I'm leaning towards rice instead of soy or nutmilks, but

the fat seems a lot less in the rice milk. Any ideas on a beverage (I'm willing

to make something, too) that would be comparable or better than cow's milk?

 

Thank you!!

Wendy

 

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wjlarlington

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[Guest guest]

I also like Almond milk it tastes great. I think now that I would've used

Almond milk when I started to wean my daughter if I had that to do over again.

I worry that she may have a little bit of an intolerance to soy now.

Renee

 

VAP79 wrote: Wendy,

I'd suggest almond milk. We are drinking more of that lately. It tastes more

like cow milk. And it's not a nut- almonds are fruit. They now make

unsweetened almond milk. You can alternate that with the rice milk.

Hope that helps.

Laura

 

[Guest guest]

I would be wary of the 8th continent. I did a test of it (through a market

research company) and was shocked to see it had an artificial sweetener (I don't

remember which one).

 

Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote: Well dang it. I just now typed up a

response, really good with nutrition facts from whole cow's milk that I looked

up, and from soy and rice milk- I got both out of the fridge and put them on the

computer desk so I'd get them right. Our computer is acting funny, and I clicked

the tab for the dairy site I got the milk info from to close it and my e-mail

shut down. So here's the replacement response, and I'm not going back to the

refrigerator!!

Protein is easy to find from other sources. So is fat. What I looked for when I

switched my kids from cow's milk to soy and rice milk, was sugar, calcium, and

iron. Cow's milk has more sugar than even vanilla soy or rice milk. They don't

need the sugar, so less is best. Plain versions are great. I buy 8th Continent

soymilk and Rice Dream rice milk, and both of them have 30% calcium, while whole

cow's milk only has 25%. Not a lot of foods have calcium- not much, anyway- so

this is important to me. Also, iron is so important, and without meat in the

diet we have to be creative on how we get iron. Cow's milk has none, while soy

and rice milk have 4%. My kids take Poly Vi Sol vitamins about every other day

(they have a great diet and I don't feel like they need it every day, plus I

don't trust " fake " vitamins as much as I trust real food sources), and it does

contain iron. Fat and protein are easy to find elsewhere. Cow's milk is not

designed for humans, it's designed for baby

cows. My kids love their soy and rice milk, and I feel good giving it to them.

My son does have problems with soymilk, so he gets just rice milk, and he is

very, very healthy, and a perfectly developed 1 1/2 year-old.

 

Kadee Sedtal

 

Wendy Dean wrote: Hi there,

 

I'm looking for thoughts about what I could supplement my son's diet with in

lieu of whole cow's milk - I'm still breastfeeding, but my guy is getting less

and less interested and I have a feeling he'll wean himself shortly. We have a

history of allergies so I'm leaning towards rice instead of soy or nutmilks, but

the fat seems a lot less in the rice milk. Any ideas on a beverage (I'm willing

to make something, too) that would be comparable or better than cow's milk?

 

Thank you!!

Wendy

 

Wendy Dean

wjlarlington

202.312.3492 (w)

 

 

 

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Based on the book Disease Proof Your Child. we're giving our 14 mth old

toddler formula.. Baby's Only TODDLER formula.. they have a soy based or a

dairy based one (not sure if good for you if a history of allergies). Read

that rice milk is not the best b/c as you mentioned not a lot of fat and

it's too sweet (and your baby will only want the sweet stuff!).

 

Good luck,

 

- Karen

 

 

 

_____

 

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Monday, September 11, 2006 1:57 PM

 

cow's milk substitute for one year old

 

 

 

Hi there,

 

I'm looking for thoughts about what I could supplement my son's diet with in

lieu of whole cow's milk - I'm still breastfeeding, but my guy is getting

less and less interested and I have a feeling he'll wean himself shortly. We

have a history of allergies so I'm leaning towards rice instead of soy or

nutmilks, but the fat seems a lot less in the rice milk. Any ideas on a

beverage (I'm willing to make something, too) that would be comparable or

better than cow's milk?

 

Thank you!!

Wendy

 

Wendy Dean

wjlarlington@ <wjlarlington%40>

202.312.3492 (w)

 

 

 

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We went straight to Soy Milk, I like the Better Than Milk brand, when our

children were one years old. It comes in a powder and you just make it up as

you want to. I was raised on Soy Milk from the time I was weaned and we've

been a healthy bunch...

http://www.somethingbetternaturalfoods.com/milk_subs.html It says that the 21oz

container makes 3 quart, but that is an error. It makes 8-10 qts. I make it

less concentrated than what they recommend, because of our taste preference.

Judy

 

 

Wendy Dean <wjlarlington wrote:

Hi there,

 

I'm looking for thoughts about what I could supplement my son's diet with in

lieu of whole cow's milk - I'm still breastfeeding, but my guy is getting less

and less interested and I have a feeling he'll wean himself shortly. We have a

history of allergies so I'm leaning towards rice instead of soy or nutmilks, but

the fat seems a lot less in the rice milk. Any ideas on a beverage (I'm willing

to make something, too) that would be comparable or better than cow's milk?

 

Thank you!!

Wendy

 

Wendy Dean

wjlarlington

202.312.3492 (w)

 

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We used a toddler soy-based formula until my daughter was over 2 years old.

Then we started drinking the Sun Soy soymilk that she absolutely loved. Now we

can no longer find it. It tasted exactly like Silk to me but not to my

daughter she was very picky for a while but finally started to drink Silk. I

wish I had just eased her onto the almond breeze milk though.

Renee

 

Karen Miller <karen wrote:

Based on the book Disease Proof Your Child. we're giving our 14 mth old

toddler formula.. Baby's Only TODDLER formula.. they have a soy based or a

dairy based one (not sure if good for you if a history of allergies). Read

that rice milk is not the best b/c as you mentioned not a lot of fat and

it's too sweet (and your baby will only want the sweet stuff!).

 

Good luck,

 

- Karen

 

_____

 

On

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Monday, September 11, 2006 1:57 PM

cow's milk substitute for one year old

 

Hi there,

 

I'm looking for thoughts about what I could supplement my son's diet with in

lieu of whole cow's milk - I'm still breastfeeding, but my guy is getting

less and less interested and I have a feeling he'll wean himself shortly. We

have a history of allergies so I'm leaning towards rice instead of soy or

nutmilks, but the fat seems a lot less in the rice milk. Any ideas on a

beverage (I'm willing to make something, too) that would be comparable or

better than cow's milk?

 

Thank you!!

Wendy

 

Wendy Dean

wjlarlington@ <wjlarlington%40>

202.312.3492 (w)

 

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[Guest guest]

you can stil ease her into the almond breeze. start with about 1/10th almond to

soy. increase the amount by 1/10th every few days, until you are at 100% soy.

 

Renee Carroll <renecarol25 wrote: We used a toddler soy-based

formula until my daughter was over 2 years old. Then we started drinking the Sun

Soy soymilk that she absolutely loved. Now we can no longer find it. It tasted

exactly like Silk to me but not to my daughter she was very picky for a while

but finally started to drink Silk. I wish I had just eased her onto the almond

breeze milk though.

Renee

 

Karen Miller wrote: Based on the book Disease Proof Your Child. we're giving our

14 mth old

toddler formula.. Baby's Only TODDLER formula.. they have a soy based or a

dairy based one (not sure if good for you if a history of allergies). Read

that rice milk is not the best b/c as you mentioned not a lot of fat and

it's too sweet (and your baby will only want the sweet stuff!).

 

Good luck,

 

- Karen

 

_____

 

On

Behalf Of Wendy Dean

Monday, September 11, 2006 1:57 PM

 

cow's milk substitute for one year old

 

Hi there,

 

I'm looking for thoughts about what I could supplement my son's diet with in

lieu of whole cow's milk - I'm still breastfeeding, but my guy is getting

less and less interested and I have a feeling he'll wean himself shortly. We

have a history of allergies so I'm leaning towards rice instead of soy or

nutmilks, but the fat seems a lot less in the rice milk. Any ideas on a

beverage (I'm willing to make something, too) that would be comparable or

better than cow's milk?

 

Thank you!!

Wendy

 

Wendy Dean

wjlarlington@

202.312.3492 (w)

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I concur with pumping breastmilk for his cup. I wasn't able to do

that and after some research, we also used Baby's Only Toddler

formula until dd was 2 years old. It is soy based but organic (I

believe GMO's have an impact on our immune system). We considered

rice milk but the fat levels are not high enough for a toddler. You

would need to supplement it with EFA's (flax and vegan DHA oil). This

is also true for almond milk which has only a little more fat than

rice milk - but the good fats. I supplemented dd's food even though

we used the higher fat soy formula. I think along with the allergy

factor, you should consider how much your babe is consuming outside

of breast milk. If he is eating a goodly amount, you won't need to

worry as much about fats in the beverage (but don't ignore EFA's). I

know many breastfed children who don't eat " well " until after 2 years

old. (Not abnormal. I was told to expect this and found it in several

references, even though my pede had no expereince with this.) DD ate

well as soon as she self weaned but has consistenly become more

picky. I sometimes get over anxious and concentrate on whatever

nutrient is bothering me at the moment, like EFA's or calcium. I find

that every now and then I have to step back to look at the whole

picture.

 

It is true that almonds are a culinary nut, not a botanical nut.

However, many people with nut allergies are allergic to almonds or

other non-botanical (culinary) nuts. We have a very open adoption and

know there are many allergies in her birth family. But, there have

been no tests - some of the reactions have been bad, like deafness,

but none have been life-threatening. Since I had enough info to worry

but not enough to know everything to avoid, we added things one at a

time over a long period (strict vegans so no eggs, dairy or honey

anyway). She will be three tomorrow and we still haven't introduced

peanuts. We chose to use soy as I had to supplement my induced

breastffeeding. At one year we added corn and then at 1 1/2 years we

added almonds. Later we added wheat. We will add peanuts in the next

month or so. And we have recently had to pull wheat and bananas from

her diet.

 

I think you will find your son's diet will be an evolving process.

Good luck,

Carrol

, Renee Carroll <renecarol25

wrote:

>

> We used a toddler soy-based formula until my daughter was over 2

years old. Then we started drinking the Sun Soy soymilk that she

absolutely loved. Now we can no longer find it. It tasted exactly

like Silk to me but not to my daughter she was very picky for a

while but finally started to drink Silk. I wish I had just eased

her onto the almond breeze milk though.

> Renee

>

> Karen Miller <karen

wrote: Based on the

book Disease Proof Your Child. we're giving our 14 mth old

> toddler formula.. Baby's Only TODDLER formula.. they have a soy

based or a

> dairy based one (not sure if good for you if a history of

allergies). Read

> that rice milk is not the best b/c as you mentioned not a lot of

fat and

> it's too sweet (and your baby will only want the sweet stuff!).

>

> Good luck,

>

> - Karen

>

> _____

>

>

On

> Behalf Of Wendy Dean

> Monday, September 11, 2006 1:57 PM

>

> cow's milk substitute for one year old

>

> Hi there,

>

> I'm looking for thoughts about what I could supplement my son's

diet with in

> lieu of whole cow's milk - I'm still breastfeeding, but my guy is

getting

> less and less interested and I have a feeling he'll wean himself

shortly. We

> have a history of allergies so I'm leaning towards rice instead

of soy or

> nutmilks, but the fat seems a lot less in the rice milk. Any

ideas on a

> beverage (I'm willing to make something, too) that would be

comparable or

> better than cow's milk?

>

> Thank you!!

> Wendy

>

> Wendy Dean

> wjlarlington@ <wjlarlington%40>

> 202.312.3492 (w)

>

>

> All-new Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get

things done

> faster.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Before I ask this question, I'd like to tell everyone that yes, I've lived under

a rock for a very long time. Induced breastfeeding?? That's awesome. I had my

daughter before I got married, wasn't ready for a baby, and pursued adoption

(the ignorant father refused to allow it). Even then I didn't know about that.

Is it the same as natural? How does it happen? I'm just asking out of curiosity.

 

Kadee Sedtal

 

rtillmansmail <rtillmansmail wrote:

I concur with pumping breastmilk for his cup. I wasn't able to do

that and after some research, we also used Baby's Only Toddler

formula until dd was 2 years old. It is soy based but organic (I

believe GMO's have an impact on our immune system). We considered

rice milk but the fat levels are not high enough for a toddler. You

would need to supplement it with EFA's (flax and vegan DHA oil). This

is also true for almond milk which has only a little more fat than

rice milk - but the good fats. I supplemented dd's food even though

we used the higher fat soy formula. I think along with the allergy

factor, you should consider how much your babe is consuming outside

of breast milk. If he is eating a goodly amount, you won't need to

worry as much about fats in the beverage (but don't ignore EFA's). I

know many breastfed children who don't eat " well " until after 2 years

old. (Not abnormal. I was told to expect this and found it in several

references, even though my pede had no expereince with this.) DD ate

well as soon as she self weaned but has consistenly become more

picky. I sometimes get over anxious and concentrate on whatever

nutrient is bothering me at the moment, like EFA's or calcium. I find

that every now and then I have to step back to look at the whole

picture.

 

It is true that almonds are a culinary nut, not a botanical nut.

However, many people with nut allergies are allergic to almonds or

other non-botanical (culinary) nuts. We have a very open adoption and

know there are many allergies in her birth family. But, there have

been no tests - some of the reactions have been bad, like deafness,

but none have been life-threatening. Since I had enough info to worry

but not enough to know everything to avoid, we added things one at a

time over a long period (strict vegans so no eggs, dairy or honey

anyway). She will be three tomorrow and we still haven't introduced

peanuts. We chose to use soy as I had to supplement my induced

breastffeeding. At one year we added corn and then at 1 1/2 years we

added almonds. Later we added wheat. We will add peanuts in the next

month or so. And we have recently had to pull wheat and bananas from

her diet.

 

I think you will find your son's diet will be an evolving process.

Good luck,

Carrol

, Renee Carroll <renecarol25

wrote:

>

> We used a toddler soy-based formula until my daughter was over 2

years old. Then we started drinking the Sun Soy soymilk that she

absolutely loved. Now we can no longer find it. It tasted exactly

like Silk to me but not to my daughter she was very picky for a

while but finally started to drink Silk. I wish I had just eased

her onto the almond breeze milk though.

> Renee

>

> Karen Miller <karen

wrote: Based on the

book Disease Proof Your Child. we're giving our 14 mth old

> toddler formula.. Baby's Only TODDLER formula.. they have a soy

based or a

> dairy based one (not sure if good for you if a history of

allergies). Read

> that rice milk is not the best b/c as you mentioned not a lot of

fat and

> it's too sweet (and your baby will only want the sweet stuff!).

>

> Good luck,

>

> - Karen

>

> _____

>

>

On

> Behalf Of Wendy Dean

> Monday, September 11, 2006 1:57 PM

>

> cow's milk substitute for one year old

>

> Hi there,

>

> I'm looking for thoughts about what I could supplement my son's

diet with in

> lieu of whole cow's milk - I'm still breastfeeding, but my guy is

getting

> less and less interested and I have a feeling he'll wean himself

shortly. We

> have a history of allergies so I'm leaning towards rice instead

of soy or

> nutmilks, but the fat seems a lot less in the rice milk. Any

ideas on a

> beverage (I'm willing to make something, too) that would be

comparable or

> better than cow's milk?

>

> Thank you!!

> Wendy

>

> Wendy Dean

> wjlarlington@ <wjlarlington%40>

> 202.312.3492 (w)

>

>

> All-new Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get

things done

> faster.

>

>

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Kadee,

 

Many people don't realize this is possible. I think this goes hand in

hand with the view of breast feeding in general in today's society.

It was very common at one time (and still is in some parts of the

world) for a grandmother to intentionally relactate when her daughter

became pregnant - just in case the mother had problems.

 

In many societies considered uncivilized, if a child is orphaned, he

is breastfed by another woman. This woman usually has never given

birth as the mothers are to busy feeding their own children

(remember, breast feeding in these societies can last until a child

is four). The act of the infant nursing will stimulate her to produce

milk and the cycle of events in the body is the same as for a mother

who has given birth. In this case, if there is no other food for the

infant, the infant may become weak or even die because the adoptive

mother needs time to make adequate milk - she didn't have this time

while pregnant. But, she will generally have help during this period.

 

In " civilized " countries when the adoptive mother has time to

prepare, adequate lactation can be achieved prior to the birth of the

baby or soon thereafter (using breast pumps). If she needs, there are

herbs and even drugs to help her(the same used for mothers who have

given birth and need help). When the baby starts to nurse, there are

options if she can't provide all the baby needs - little tubes that

are taped to the nipple or just plain bottles. But many many women

who have never given birth can make adequate milk. In my town there

was a woman who breast fed adopted twins! There are testimonials of

adoptive mothers who tandem breast feed. In my case, dd self weaned

at about 11 months and I let her as my milk was decreasing. Now I

wish I would have made the effort to add some herbs or such and bf a

little longer - just like any other mother can do.

 

It is much easier to relactate - induce lactation if you have already

given birth. The ducts and such are already developed. My SIL

relactates any time she holds a crying baby and she hasn't breast fed

for five years. Some would argue she hasn't dried up but she does not

leak any other time.

 

Oh, the nutritional value of the milk is the same. I have heard of

pediatricians who say it is not. But the research is out there to

show it is. Just like a starving woman in a third world country

compared to a millionaire on the best diet in the US - their breast

milk is the same nutritionally. However, the adoptive mother does not

make colostrum. Our dd's birth mother pumped colostrum for us. (She

didn't want to breast feed her because of the emotional aspect but

some birthmothers breast feed in the hospital and the adoptive mother

starts later.)

 

BTW, some men can lactate and have breast fed as well. I don't have

statistics but this is, of course, certainly rare.

 

In our case, we have a very open adoption and I discussed breast

feeding with dd birth mother. I was able to breastfeed her in the

nursery immediately. This caused a lot of problems with the staff

because the social worker at that hospital was against this, but I

wouldn't back down. Fortunately, the social worker was off for the

weekend and I didn't have to face her until later. (My lawyer said it

would be best not to push her buttons because she could make problems

for us, even though we had been given power of attorney and all the

correct papers had been signed by dd birthmother.) Anyway, bmother

was happy and said it wouldn't bother her if I fed dd in front of her

but birth father couldn't handle the thought and didn't want us to

discuss it in front of him. So, there is certainly a lot more to it

than the actual feeding and I know a woman who gave up (and has since

regretted it). I am so grateful I had the chance to bf dd. I believe

I gave her the right start in life and we were able to bond like

other moms and babes. If you know someone who needs info, direct them

to Jack Newman's and Ann Lenore's web sites.

 

If I may ask, how long ago did you pursue adoption and where did you

live at the time? In Florida, the father cannot prevent a mother from

placing her child. He has to be notified and has the right to raise

the child himself, but grandparents do not. The father is told he is

responsible for child support if the mother does not place the baby.

This is happening to a friend of mine now. She wants to place the

baby but the father is causing her a lot of guilt. He had her

convinced she couldn't do anything but the lawyer proved him wrong.

However, the laws are constantly evolving and are different in each

state.

 

Carrol

 

, Kadee M <abbey_road3012

wrote:

>

> Before I ask this question, I'd like to tell everyone that yes,

I've lived under a rock for a very long time. Induced breastfeeding??

That's awesome. I had my daughter before I got married, wasn't ready

for a baby, and pursued adoption (the ignorant father refused to

allow it). Even then I didn't know about that. Is it the same as

natural? How does it happen? I'm just asking out of curiosity.

>

> Kadee Sedtal

>

>

[Guest guest]

That is very cool. Thanks for all the information.

I lived in TX at that time, and adoptions have to be approved by the father as

well. While some fathers deserve that right, my daughter's father is not one of

those. He ditched me about a month into pregnancy and sent zero money till she

was three months old. He hasn't seen her or sent money in over 2 years, and even

now, she'll be three in November and my husband still hasn't been able to adopt

her. Some things really ought to change. I love my daughter dearly but for her

first 6 1/2 months she had no daddy, and it took her about a year to really bond

with Jeff. I wish she'd have had that in the beginning.

Sounds like you had a really neat birthmother to work with. I wish more people

would think about adoption. My dad freaked when I told him I was pursuing it.

After my Leah was born, three people at church said they were glad I kept her-

no father, no money, living with my parents who think I ought to do everything

differently- how's that a good thing? Jeff coming into our lives was nothing

short of a miracle. If it hadn't been for him we'd have had a really awful time.

I still think sometimes about the family I had picked out for her and wonder if

she'd have been happier, long-term, with them. I do the best I can, though.

 

Kadee Sedtal

 

rtillmansmail <rtillmansmail wrote:

Kadee,

 

Many people don't realize this is possible. I think this goes hand in

hand with the view of breast feeding in general in today's society.

It was very common at one time (and still is in some parts of the

world) for a grandmother to intentionally relactate when her daughter

became pregnant - just in case the mother had problems.

 

In many societies considered uncivilized, if a child is orphaned, he

is breastfed by another woman. This woman usually has never given

birth as the mothers are to busy feeding their own children

(remember, breast feeding in these societies can last until a child

is four). The act of the infant nursing will stimulate her to produce

milk and the cycle of events in the body is the same as for a mother

who has given birth. In this case, if there is no other food for the

infant, the infant may become weak or even die because the adoptive

mother needs time to make adequate milk - she didn't have this time

while pregnant. But, she will generally have help during this period.

 

In " civilized " countries when the adoptive mother has time to

prepare, adequate lactation can be achieved prior to the birth of the

baby or soon thereafter (using breast pumps). If she needs, there are

herbs and even drugs to help her(the same used for mothers who have

given birth and need help). When the baby starts to nurse, there are

options if she can't provide all the baby needs - little tubes that

are taped to the nipple or just plain bottles. But many many women

who have never given birth can make adequate milk. In my town there

was a woman who breast fed adopted twins! There are testimonials of

adoptive mothers who tandem breast feed. In my case, dd self weaned

at about 11 months and I let her as my milk was decreasing. Now I

wish I would have made the effort to add some herbs or such and bf a

little longer - just like any other mother can do.

 

It is much easier to relactate - induce lactation if you have already

given birth. The ducts and such are already developed. My SIL

relactates any time she holds a crying baby and she hasn't breast fed

for five years. Some would argue she hasn't dried up but she does not

leak any other time.

 

Oh, the nutritional value of the milk is the same. I have heard of

pediatricians who say it is not. But the research is out there to

show it is. Just like a starving woman in a third world country

compared to a millionaire on the best diet in the US - their breast

milk is the same nutritionally. However, the adoptive mother does not

make colostrum. Our dd's birth mother pumped colostrum for us. (She

didn't want to breast feed her because of the emotional aspect but

some birthmothers breast feed in the hospital and the adoptive mother

starts later.)

 

BTW, some men can lactate and have breast fed as well. I don't have

statistics but this is, of course, certainly rare.

 

In our case, we have a very open adoption and I discussed breast

feeding with dd birth mother. I was able to breastfeed her in the

nursery immediately. This caused a lot of problems with the staff

because the social worker at that hospital was against this, but I

wouldn't back down. Fortunately, the social worker was off for the

weekend and I didn't have to face her until later. (My lawyer said it

would be best not to push her buttons because she could make problems

for us, even though we had been given power of attorney and all the

correct papers had been signed by dd birthmother.) Anyway, bmother

was happy and said it wouldn't bother her if I fed dd in front of her

but birth father couldn't handle the thought and didn't want us to

discuss it in front of him. So, there is certainly a lot more to it

than the actual feeding and I know a woman who gave up (and has since

regretted it). I am so grateful I had the chance to bf dd. I believe

I gave her the right start in life and we were able to bond like

other moms and babes. If you know someone who needs info, direct them

to Jack Newman's and Ann Lenore's web sites.

 

If I may ask, how long ago did you pursue adoption and where did you

live at the time? In Florida, the father cannot prevent a mother from

placing her child. He has to be notified and has the right to raise

the child himself, but grandparents do not. The father is told he is

responsible for child support if the mother does not place the baby.

This is happening to a friend of mine now. She wants to place the

baby but the father is causing her a lot of guilt. He had her

convinced she couldn't do anything but the lawyer proved him wrong.

However, the laws are constantly evolving and are different in each

state.

 

Carrol

 

, Kadee M <abbey_road3012

wrote:

>

> Before I ask this question, I'd like to tell everyone that yes,

I've lived under a rock for a very long time. Induced breastfeeding??

That's awesome. I had my daughter before I got married, wasn't ready

for a baby, and pursued adoption (the ignorant father refused to

allow it). Even then I didn't know about that. Is it the same as

natural? How does it happen? I'm just asking out of curiosity.

>

> Kadee Sedtal

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