Guest guest Posted September 13, 2006 Report Share Posted September 13, 2006 Hi! My husband and I have been vegan since about 1995. We have 5 kiddos, all vegan since birth. I have always been happy with our choice to be vegan and never doubted it! I have Dr.Klaper books and I have read John Robbins " Diet For a New America " . I recently joined the mothering bbs to discuss homeschooling and veganism (there is a specific vegan board). Well I quickly realized that many folks on that bbs PUMP the " nurturing traditions " diet (aka raw milk and organic meat). I had never heard of this diet OR Weston A Price foundation. I have since checked their website, read the anti-soy Mothering article and the John Robbins article in response to that article. I'm not buying the anti-soy stuff. BUT I'm wondering about our diet, what should we eat, what shouldn't we eat. We eat fruits and veggies, but also proccessed veggie meats and lots of Silk soy milk. I would love to hear opinions about going raw, and what you all think is the " best " diet. I know it is each person's opinion, I want to hear them all! I left the Mothering bbs because I didn't want to hear one more person talk about the Weston A Price Foundation and " just look at the site..the facts are astoudning " ! I hope I'm not opening a can of worms! I look forward to hearing from some of you! Rebecca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 Hi! I'm new to the list too. I've been a vegetarian 10 years. All that stuff about raw milk and organic meat... blah. Cow's milk is designed for cows, not humans. Raw or otherwise. And meat... ah, here I go. If we're supposed to drink raw milk, why not raw meat? Because we're not carnivores. Physically. We're not built to digest meat. ALL natural carnivores eat raw meat. Tigers, bears, snakes, wolves, you just don't see them around a barbecue grill cooking up their latest kill. They're designed to digest meat. Our digestive systems turn meat into poison when we eat it with stuff that takes longer to digest, like grains. Why else do vegetarians and vegans have lower cancer rates? Organic or not, we're simply not built to digest it. I've seen the site for all that, and to each their own. I won't take my chances. Just me. In my opinion, for my family, I think a maximum amount of fruits and vegetables are the best, and other stuff, like meat alternatives, soy/rice/whatever milk, bread, grains, and whatever else are next, and last comes sweets and junk food. We do eat our fair share of junk food, but I figure we deserve it for our good dietary deeds. It's great because where most kids my daughter's age would be wanting cookies or candy, my Leah will beg and plead and do just about anything for what?? Broccoli. She freaks people out at restaurants. She wants broccoli, she tells the waitress, and she eats every single bite. Then she wants more. Carrots, too. Plain, raw carrots. She screams like a little hellion if I cut the tops off, so she eats the whole thing. The more fruits and vegetables a child gets, the better. Raw if possible. They'll grow to prefer those things over sweets as they get older. I wasn't raised vegetarian, I switched when I was 12, but my mom really got me hooked on good stuff. Give me strawberries or a carrot over a bag of candy any day. While I was pregnant, both times, I had horrible, insatiable cravings for brussels sprouts. I ate those things like mad. Sometimes two 16 ounce bags in a day. Some days I would eat nothing else. I was kind of surprised that I got white babies- I figured they'd be green!! The anti-soy stuff... Too much of anything is a bad thing. If 75% of a person's diet was raw spinach, they'd have problems, no matter how good spinach is for you. Soy milk with soy " meat " and roasted soynuts, plus tofu and TVP and soy, soy, soy, well of course that's not balanced. But soymilk with cereal and a Gardenburger portabella patty sandwich with veggies, plus a glass of tea and some fruit, that's balanced. I don't think it's really an issue of soy being bad, it's just an issue of " too much of a good thing. " Well there's my own personal opinion. I know it does get irritating having one view completely shut down those with a minority opinion. Just today I unsubscibed from my favorite list, for people with pet rats, because everyone but me and one other person hates PETA and won't shut up about it. So yeah, I look forward to reading everyone's responses too. It's always nice to know what other vegetarians are doing. Kadee Sedtal loghomeschool <rebecca_richard wrote: Hi! My husband and I have been vegan since about 1995. We have 5 kiddos, all vegan since birth. I have always been happy with our choice to be vegan and never doubted it! I have Dr.Klaper books and I have read John Robbins " Diet For a New America " . I recently joined the mothering bbs to discuss homeschooling and veganism (there is a specific vegan board). Well I quickly realized that many folks on that bbs PUMP the " nurturing traditions " diet (aka raw milk and organic meat). I had never heard of this diet OR Weston A Price foundation. I have since checked their website, read the anti-soy Mothering article and the John Robbins article in response to that article. I'm not buying the anti-soy stuff. BUT I'm wondering about our diet, what should we eat, what shouldn't we eat. We eat fruits and veggies, but also proccessed veggie meats and lots of Silk soy milk. I would love to hear opinions about going raw, and what you all think is the " best " diet. I know it is each person's opinion, I want to hear them all! I left the Mothering bbs because I didn't want to hear one more person talk about the Weston A Price Foundation and " just look at the site..the facts are astoudning " ! I hope I'm not opening a can of worms! I look forward to hearing from some of you! Rebecca Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 i hear you on irritation about people peddling those diets. i belong to a couple different attachment-parenting groups and it seems like every time i make a health suggestion i've got someone in there saying, go to the weston price website to see why that's wrong... one woman was suggesting to another, a woman who was in the process of going vegan, that she feed her iron-deficient baby LIVER. i was like, um, excuse me, but the liver is the garbage disposal of the body. PLEASE don't even eat it yourself much less feed it to your baby! and of course she was there with the weston price advice that the liver actually neutralizes toxins and a whole host of other BS. it's very frustrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 In the sixties, pediatricians told mothers to mix raw, scraped liver with whatever went into the bottle (milk and corn syrup). My mother was told to stop breastfeeding in 1961 because I was too fat. earthmother <earthmother213 wrote: i hear you on irritation about people peddling those diets. i belong to a couple different attachment-parenting groups and it seems like every time i make a health suggestion i've got someone in there saying, go to the weston price website to see why that's wrong... one woman was suggesting to another, a woman who was in the process of going vegan, that she feed her iron-deficient baby LIVER. i was like, um, excuse me, but the liver is the garbage disposal of the body. PLEASE don't even eat it yourself much less feed it to your baby! and of course she was there with the weston price advice that the liver actually neutralizes toxins and a whole host of other BS. it's very frustrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 I shudder at this. I'm glad to have been born in the 80's. Raw liver in a bottle? Uggggggh. I'm gonna go get the kids a nice, safe carrot to eat. Kadee Sedtal robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: In the sixties, pediatricians told mothers to mix raw, scraped liver with whatever went into the bottle (milk and corn syrup). My mother was told to stop breastfeeding in 1961 because I was too fat. earthmother <earthmother213 wrote: i hear you on irritation about people peddling those diets. i belong to a couple different attachment-parenting groups and it seems like every time i make a health suggestion i've got someone in there saying, go to the weston price website to see why that's wrong... one woman was suggesting to another, a woman who was in the process of going vegan, that she feed her iron-deficient baby LIVER. i was like, um, excuse me, but the liver is the garbage disposal of the body. PLEASE don't even eat it yourself much less feed it to your baby! and of course she was there with the weston price advice that the liver actually neutralizes toxins and a whole host of other BS. it's very frustrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 The thing is the westonprice people only have their own faulty theories backing them up. Do any decent search of the scientific literature and you will literally find REAMS of studies showing that a plantbased diet reduces the incidence of most diseases that plague the western hemisphere: diabetes, cancers of all kinds, heart disease in its many forms, other vascular diseases, etc etc. That's why scientific studies are important. There is an undeniably huge weight of evidence proving that if you eat a diet that is overwhelmingly composed of whole grains, fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, legumes, and some healthy fats/oils sparingly, you will be much healthier. No one can deny the research. People who tout the benefits of raw milk, organic meat, organ meats are not interested in the evidence. People should familiarize themselves with the nutrition research done over the last 100 years, and it will be clear to them how they should eat if they want to maximize their health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 I shutter too, I'm glad my mom and dad were vegetarian, as was our family doctor growing up. This is just disgusting, that a doctor would even suggest this. - Kadee M Thursday, September 14, 2006 12:21 PM Re: Intro and some questions I shudder at this. I'm glad to have been born in the 80's. Raw liver in a bottle? Uggggggh. I'm gonna go get the kids a nice, safe carrot to eat. Kadee Sedtal robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: In the sixties, pediatricians told mothers to mix raw, scraped liver with whatever went into the bottle (milk and corn syrup). My mother was told to stop breastfeeding in 1961 because I was too fat. earthmother <earthmother213 wrote: i hear you on irritation about people peddling those diets. i belong to a couple different attachment-parenting groups and it seems like every time i make a health suggestion i've got someone in there saying, go to the weston price website to see why that's wrong... one woman was suggesting to another, a woman who was in the process of going vegan, that she feed her iron-deficient baby LIVER. i was like, um, excuse me, but the liver is the garbage disposal of the body. PLEASE don't even eat it yourself much less feed it to your baby! and of course she was there with the weston price advice that the liver actually neutralizes toxins and a whole host of other BS. it's very frustrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 I think it's important to note that there is diversity in every era. I was also very young in 1961, but living in a household that ate whole grain bread, no processed foods, significantly less meat and significantly more fruits & vegetables (and fresh, not canned) than the norm. Healthy diets were possible, even then. Of course, we were considered very weird at the time by some people, but not as many as you'd think. Meanwhile, it's in recent times that notions like the South Beach Diet have proliferated. Access to more possibilities doesn't always mean that people make better choices. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 My mother was the only one on the block who breastfed, though she smoked at the time (late '50s and early '60s). ERB <bakwin wrote: I think it's important to note that there is diversity in every era. I was also very young in 1961, but living in a household that ate whole grain bread, no processed foods, significantly less meat and significantly more fruits & vegetables (and fresh, not canned) than the norm. Healthy diets were possible, even then. Of course, we were considered very weird at the time by some people, but not as many as you'd think. Meanwhile, it's in recent times that notions like the South Beach Diet have proliferated. Access to more possibilities doesn't always mean that people make better choices. Liz For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at http://www.vrg.org and for materials especially useful for families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This is a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 You know you're very lucky? I wasn't raised vegetarian, but I got here as fast as I could! I'm so glad my kids get to be raised this way! Kadee Sedtal wwjd <jtwigg wrote: I shutter too, I'm glad my mom and dad were vegetarian, as was our family doctor growing up. This is just disgusting, that a doctor would even suggest this. - Kadee M Thursday, September 14, 2006 12:21 PM Re: Intro and some questions I shudder at this. I'm glad to have been born in the 80's. Raw liver in a bottle? Uggggggh. I'm gonna go get the kids a nice, safe carrot to eat. Kadee Sedtal robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: In the sixties, pediatricians told mothers to mix raw, scraped liver with whatever went into the bottle (milk and corn syrup). My mother was told to stop breastfeeding in 1961 because I was too fat. earthmother <earthmother213 wrote: i hear you on irritation about people peddling those diets. i belong to a couple different attachment-parenting groups and it seems like every time i make a health suggestion i've got someone in there saying, go to the weston price website to see why that's wrong... one woman was suggesting to another, a woman who was in the process of going vegan, that she feed her iron-deficient baby LIVER. i was like, um, excuse me, but the liver is the garbage disposal of the body. PLEASE don't even eat it yourself much less feed it to your baby! and of course she was there with the weston price advice that the liver actually neutralizes toxins and a whole host of other BS. it's very frustrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 That is such a good point! - ERB Thursday, September 14, 2006 3:01 PM Re: Intro and some questions I think it's important to note that there is diversity in every era. I was also very young in 1961, but living in a household that ate whole grain bread, no processed foods, significantly less meat and significantly more fruits & vegetables (and fresh, not canned) than the norm. Healthy diets were possible, even then. Of course, we were considered very weird at the time by some people, but not as many as you'd think. Meanwhile, it's in recent times that notions like the South Beach Diet have proliferated. Access to more possibilities doesn't always mean that people make better choices. Liz #ygrp-mlmsg { FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif}#ygrp-mlmsg TABLE { }#ygrp-mlmsg SELECT { FONT: 99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif}INPUT { FONT: 99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif}TEXTAREA { FONT: 99% arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif}#ygrp-mlmsg PRE { FONT: 100% monospace}CODE { FONT: 100% monospace}#ygrp-mlmsg { LINE-HEIGHT: 1.22em}#ygrp-text { FONT-FAMILY: Georgia}#ygrp-text P { MARGIN: 0px 0px 1em}#ygrp-tpmsgs { CLEAR: both; FONT-FAMILY: Arial}#ygrp-vitnav { FONT-SIZE: 77%; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana}#ygrp-vitnav A { PADDING-RIGHT: 1px; PADDING-LEFT: 1px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px}#ygrp-actbar { CLEAR: both; MARGIN: 25px 0px; COLOR: #666; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap; TEXT-ALIGN: right}#ygrp-actbar .left { FLOAT: left; WHITE-SPACE: nowrap}..bld { FONT-WEIGHT: bold}#ygrp-grft { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 77%; PADDING-BOTTOM: 15px; PADDING-TOP: 15px; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana}#ygrp-ft { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #666 1px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 77%; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5px; PADDING-TOP: 5px; FONT-FAMILY: verdana}#ygrp-mlmsg #logo { PADDING-BOTTOM: 10px}#ygrp-vital { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 8px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 20px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 8px; PADDING-TOP: 2px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e0ecee}#ygrp-vital #vithd { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 77%; TEXT-TRANSFORM: uppercase; COLOR: #333; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana}#ygrp-vital UL { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 2px 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px}#ygrp-vital UL LI { CLEAR: both; BORDER-RIGHT: #e0ecee 1px solid; BORDER-TOP: #e0ecee 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #e0ecee 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0ecee 1px solid; LIST-STYLE-TYPE: none}#ygrp-vital UL LI .ct { PADDING-RIGHT: 0.5em; FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FLOAT: right; WIDTH: 2em; COLOR: #ff7900; TEXT-ALIGN: right}#ygrp-vital UL LI .cat { FONT-WEIGHT: bold}#ygrp-vital A { TEXT-DECORATION: none}#ygrp-vital A:hover { TEXT-DECORATION: underline}#ygrp-sponsor #hd { FONT-SIZE: 77%; COLOR: #999}#ygrp-sponsor #ov { PADDING-RIGHT: 13px; PADDING-LEFT: 13px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 20px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 6px; PADDING-TOP: 6px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #e0ecee}#ygrp-sponsor #ov UL { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 8px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px}#ygrp-sponsor #ov LI { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 77%; PADDING-BOTTOM: 6px; PADDING-TOP: 6px; LIST-STYLE-TYPE: square}#ygrp-sponsor #ov LI A { FONT-SIZE: 130%; TEXT-DECORATION: none}#ygrp-sponsor #nc { PADDING-RIGHT: 8px; PADDING-LEFT: 8px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 20px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #eee}#ygrp-sponsor .ad { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 8px; PADDING-TOP: 8px}#ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1 { FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 100%; COLOR: #628c2a; LINE-HEIGHT: 122%; FONT-FAMILY: Arial}#ygrp-sponsor .ad A { TEXT-DECORATION: none}#ygrp-sponsor .ad A:hover { TEXT-DECORATION: underline}#ygrp-sponsor .ad P { MARGIN: 0px}o { FONT-SIZE: 0px}..MsoNormal { MARGIN: 0px}#ygrp-text TT { FONT-SIZE: 120%}BLOCKQUOTE { MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 4px}..replbq { } All-new Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Yeah, years ago I actually came across the " formula " the hospital sent home with my Mom in 1963 when I was born. It was evaporated milk and corn syrup! Now I ask you, where is the nutrition in THAT recipe?? My mother attempted to breast feed my older brother in the late '50's but had no encouragement or support and wasn't successful. I can't believe the thinking from that era. Well, even in the '80's when I nursed my kids, my friends thought I was a loon. People should realize rubber nipples are not what has gotten the human to suvive for all these millions of years! Formula makes no sense to me at all! And I think liver tastes bad for a reason.... - Kadee M Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:21 PM Re: Intro and some questions I shudder at this. I'm glad to have been born in the 80's. Raw liver in a bottle? Uggggggh. I'm gonna go get the kids a nice, safe carrot to eat. Kadee Sedtal robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: In the sixties, pediatricians told mothers to mix raw, scraped liver with whatever went into the bottle (milk and corn syrup). My mother was told to stop breastfeeding in 1961 because I was too fat. earthmother <earthmother213 wrote: i hear you on irritation about people peddling those diets. i belong to a couple different attachment-parenting groups and it seems like every time i make a health suggestion i've got someone in there saying, go to the weston price website to see why that's wrong... one woman was suggesting to another, a woman who was in the process of going vegan, that she feed her iron-deficient baby LIVER. i was like, um, excuse me, but the liver is the garbage disposal of the body. PLEASE don't even eat it yourself much less feed it to your baby! and of course she was there with the weston price advice that the liver actually neutralizes toxins and a whole host of other BS. it's very frustrating. 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Guest guest Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 This string of emails has been very interesting. I belong to a " natural living " in my area. They're always talking about Weston Price and organic meat, etc. When I think " natural living, " I'm not thinking what they're thinking, but once in a while someone posts something useful for me, so I stay. Actually just recently it was pointed out to me by a vegetarian on the board (who's in a veggie group with me, too) that the " natural living " group follows the " nurturing traditions " diet. I didn't even know what it was. I just knew there was a lot of talk about raw milks and organic meat on the board. They must not like me bc my signature has a link to my veg*n playgroup!!! Someone did recently post an article about how humans evolved to eat meat. I didn't post a reply bc I really don't care what they think, and they wouldn't listen to what I had to say, so why bother. I'm a vegan for ethical reasons and just enjoy the health benefits as a bonus, so their information, correct or not (and I don't think it is), doesn't influence my diet. Like someone else said, all things in moderation, and I have a chocolate soy milk addiction myself, so easier said than done on that front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 I feel very lucky. You children will too... I can't even imagine raising mine any other way. It is good to teach them how to stand up against anyone that would try to convince them otherwise. You know the say " If you don't stand for something, you fall for anything " .... Here'e to all the healthier children that are being raised by parents here, to all the animals that won't have to die for our diner tables and to all the land that will be far better used for raising grains that we can eat instead of feeding them to animals. I remember hearing John Robbins, say something like, that it take 10 acreas of grain, to produce one pound of beef.. Can you imagine how many things could have been made into food for folks with all that grain, but instead only reaped one lb of beef..........? Judy - Kadee M Thursday, September 14, 2006 3:41 PM Re: Intro and some questions You know you're very lucky? I wasn't raised vegetarian, but I got here as fast as I could! I'm so glad my kids get to be raised this way! Kadee Sedtal wwjd <jtwigg wrote: I shutter too, I'm glad my mom and dad were vegetarian, as was our family doctor growing up. This is just disgusting, that a doctor would even suggest this. - Kadee M Thursday, September 14, 2006 12:21 PM Re: Intro and some questions I shudder at this. I'm glad to have been born in the 80's. Raw liver in a bottle? Uggggggh. I'm gonna go get the kids a nice, safe carrot to eat. Kadee Sedtal robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: In the sixties, pediatricians told mothers to mix raw, scraped liver with whatever went into the bottle (milk and corn syrup). My mother was told to stop breastfeeding in 1961 because I was too fat. earthmother <earthmother213 wrote: i hear you on irritation about people peddling those diets. i belong to a couple different attachment-parenting groups and it seems like every time i make a health suggestion i've got someone in there saying, go to the weston price website to see why that's wrong... one woman was suggesting to another, a woman who was in the process of going vegan, that she feed her iron-deficient baby LIVER. i was like, um, excuse me, but the liver is the garbage disposal of the body. PLEASE don't even eat it yourself much less feed it to your baby! and of course she was there with the weston price advice that the liver actually neutralizes toxins and a whole host of other BS. it's very frustrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 (...) There is an > undeniably huge weight of evidence proving that if > you eat a diet that is > overwhelmingly composed of whole grains, fruits, > vegetables, nuts, seeds, > legumes, and some healthy fats/oils sparingly, you > will be much healthier. > No one can deny the research. People who tout the > benefits of raw milk, > organic meat, organ meats are not interested in the > evidence. People should > familiarize themselves with the nutrition research > done over the last 100 > years, and it will be clear to them how they should > eat if they want to > maximize their health. ------ A hearty second to that. Adele Davis wrote several popular books in the '60's about modern diet and health. She had a lot of good points but maintained all that crap about organ meats, etc. She died of cancer, I believe, aged 70, around 1970. She said it was because of the junk she ate at 20; I knew better even as a teenager. ~DJ Correo Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! Regístrate ya - http://correo.espanol./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2006 Report Share Posted September 16, 2006 Seems that a *lot* of meat-eaters get cancer. After seeing my uncle Jim, who I absolutely adored, die very slowly of cancer, I do all I can to minimize my risk of that, and even more I try to minimize my husband's and children's risk of it. I can't imagine the pain people feel as they die of cancer. I know my uncle Jim hurt a lot. He was in home hospice for a while, then at the hospital till he died, and even with the painkillers he got, he was still in excruciating pain all the time. Don't people look at statistics? While I do feel very deeply sorry for anyone who has to go through that, I really wonder how much they did in their lives to try and prevent it. Kadee Sedtal DJ <doovinator wrote: (...) There is an > undeniably huge weight of evidence proving that if > you eat a diet that is > overwhelmingly composed of whole grains, fruits, > vegetables, nuts, seeds, > legumes, and some healthy fats/oils sparingly, you > will be much healthier. > No one can deny the research. People who tout the > benefits of raw milk, > organic meat, organ meats are not interested in the > evidence. People should > familiarize themselves with the nutrition research > done over the last 100 > years, and it will be clear to them how they should > eat if they want to > maximize their health. ------ A hearty second to that. Adele Davis wrote several popular books in the '60's about modern diet and health. She had a lot of good points but maintained all that crap about organ meats, etc. She died of cancer, I believe, aged 70, around 1970. She said it was because of the junk she ate at 20; I knew better even as a teenager. ~DJ Correo Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! Regístrate ya - http://correo.espanol./ Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 And I'm grateful to my mother and to the nurses of the small hospital I was born in on Prince Edward Island, late sixties who at my mother's request went and found a nurse who had " instructions " on how to breastfeed. It was an odd thing to do back then. But this nurse who knew something about breastfeeding sat there and read the directions to my mother. Seems funny in hindsight. I think that was after they attended to my father who was in the delivery room and apparently needed more medical help than my mom! ~P robin koloms wrote: > My mother was the only one on the block who breastfed, though she smoked at the time (late '50s and early '60s). -- www.mackenziewild.ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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