nuts, different schools

[Guest guest]

>> " Different schools, maybe? "

In the US, unless you are referring to a private or charter (public)

school, this is not legal. Children segregrated for various learning

and medical reasons were mainstreamed in the 1970's. But I could see

why a parent of a severely allergic child would want to start their

own charter school within their district.

 

>> " And just because a child takes a bath every day doesn't mean they

didn't get something on their hands that morning. "

You're right, of course. As a child in school in the 70's we were

taught hygiene and manner classes. You know, how to answer the phone

and that you were to always wash your hands and brush your hair

before leaving the house. I hear grumblings from teachers that these

classes need to brought back ( no money for them and you can see

where some people could feel discriminated against if their child

must have a certain grooming habit). And as Noreen said, schools with

an allergic child are wiping down your child's hands.

 

>> " And how about my son, who has eczema? Having a bath every day,

even more than two or three times a week, would drive him nuts

(pun!). "

This is part of the reason my conversation came up with my aunt. It

is now actually recommended not to wash your infant or toddler more

than 2 – 3 times weekly even if they have no skin issues. But, social

workers can use a variety of reasons to gain access to your home (and

take your child and then burden of proof is on you. You will have

proof and likely have your son returned quickly and the sw slapped on

the wrist. But do you want your son to be snatched from you for days?

My grandmother was a foster mom and I have some experience in the

negative aspect of this system). So, you should consider denying your

son inked stamps or be sure to wash them off completely, even if you

don't bathe the rest of him. (My dd does not have problems but I do

not bathe her greater than 3 times weekly unless she gets dirty. I

don't allow her those inked stamps because I can't get them off her

no matter how hard I scrub. They really stick – even washable markers

have to wear off her.) (Remember, a sw may use a " dirty " child to

gain access to your home because s/he does not approve of your diet.

Once your child is in the system you will have a lot to do to get him

back based upon diet. There are cases like this over the US now.

There are a few lawyers on some sites that give advice. This is one

of the reasons I am considering homeschooling in a very conservative

area. I'm not trying to scare you and this has nothing to do with

peanuts but it seemed to fit here.)

 

>> " If a special air system is required to keep allergic children

safe, isn't that far more important than a nice football stadium for

the district or a big salary for the superintendent? "

YES, YES, YES but try to get someone in the Southeastern US to

agree with you! Here football is a religion. It goes like this:

football, God, country, mom. People give me that " are you from Mars? "

look when I don't know what team is playing or could care less! Even

when I say I hate football and think it should be banned from all

schools, they keep talking to me like I'm kidding and really know all

the stats. In college, students from northern states could not get

over how important football is here. It is so infuriating.

 

>> " There should be colonies. A vegetarian colony, an peanut allergy

colony, and others. Children could go to school and their parents

could do something other than lurk outside sweating and pacing and

crying (which I do expect to do for at least the first few years). "

 

Are you speaking of mandatory segregation or volunteer communties?

There are intentional veg colonies in the US. The Farm in Tennessee

is one of them. I have been doing some lax research into communes and

the cities that are nearby myself. The communes generally have some

monetary restrictions and work codes. They are usually located in

very rural areas. I had hoped we could move into a nearby city and

reap benefits of open-mindness and access to veg goods. But, with my

husband's job, we need a larger city. So, we are considering

homeschooling. The hs laws are different in each state but most will

allow you to school at night if you have a daytime job. My sister was

successful the few years she did this. So, you can see that the pros

and cons of school and where to live, not necessarily peanuts, have

been on my mind.

 

BTW, if anyone has any info on an intentional veg community, I would

love to know about it.

 

Carrol

 

 

 

, Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote:

>

> Different schools, maybe?

>

>> rtillmansmail <rtillmansmail

wrote: I realize that it seems

unfair

[Guest guest]

>>It

>>is now actually recommended not to wash your infant or toddler more

>>than 2 – 3 times weekly even if they have no skin issues.

 

LOL, and i thought i was just lazy! my son gets a bath whenever he has

a PBJ sandwich, because it gets everywhere. so about 2-3 times a week.

here i was thinking, maybe i should bathe him more.

 

kids are little colonies of germs, diseases, bacteria, viruses, you name

it. and i personally think it's a good thing, builds up the immune system.

when my son gets a cold i consider it a healthy part of his body's natural

healing cycle. he gets colds pretty rarely, but we definitely don't treat

it like the end of world. kids put their hands in their mouths and eyes and

ears and noses and whatever other orifices they can reach and then put those

same hands in other kids' orifices. it's the way of childhood and i

personally consider it futile to fight it. sure, teach kids to wash their

hands, teach them to use a tissue, etc. -- we taught my son to cough into

the crook of his elbow, for example -- but it seems better to let them be

normal kids than to create little germophobes out of them. just IMO!

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I'm mostly being sarcastic about most things like forming a " colony " for

vegetarians... though if there was one nearby we'd be moving off-base. I'm

from Texas and yes, football is God down there. Ridiculous!

Can people really take a child away without proof of something? I called CPS

multiple times on my cousin and his wife for various things like feeding him

powdered milk instead of formula, neglect, and other things, and while they did

check into the situation they never did take him for any length of time. Talk

about freaking out- as well taken care of as my kids are I'd turn into a t-rex

if that happened. And for something like a vegetarian diet... you'd think the

world was more civilized than that!

 

Kadee Sedtal

 

rtillmansmail <rtillmansmail wrote:

>> " Different schools, maybe? "

In the US, unless you are referring to a private or charter (public)

school, this is not legal. Children segregrated for various learning

and medical reasons were mainstreamed in the 1970's. But I could see

why a parent of a severely allergic child would want to start their

own charter school within their district.

 

>> " And just because a child takes a bath every day doesn't mean they

didn't get something on their hands that morning. "

You're right, of course. As a child in school in the 70's we were

taught hygiene and manner classes. You know, how to answer the phone

and that you were to always wash your hands and brush your hair

before leaving the house. I hear grumblings from teachers that these

classes need to brought back ( no money for them and you can see

where some people could feel discriminated against if their child

must have a certain grooming habit). And as Noreen said, schools with

an allergic child are wiping down your child's hands.

 

>> " And how about my son, who has eczema? Having a bath every day,

even more than two or three times a week, would drive him nuts

(pun!). "

This is part of the reason my conversation came up with my aunt. It

is now actually recommended not to wash your infant or toddler more

than 2 – 3 times weekly even if they have no skin issues. But, social

workers can use a variety of reasons to gain access to your home (and

take your child and then burden of proof is on you. You will have

proof and likely have your son returned quickly and the sw slapped on

the wrist. But do you want your son to be snatched from you for days?

My grandmother was a foster mom and I have some experience in the

negative aspect of this system). So, you should consider denying your

son inked stamps or be sure to wash them off completely, even if you

don't bathe the rest of him. (My dd does not have problems but I do

not bathe her greater than 3 times weekly unless she gets dirty. I

don't allow her those inked stamps because I can't get them off her

no matter how hard I scrub. They really stick – even washable markers

have to wear off her.) (Remember, a sw may use a " dirty " child to

gain access to your home because s/he does not approve of your diet.

Once your child is in the system you will have a lot to do to get him

back based upon diet. There are cases like this over the US now.

There are a few lawyers on some sites that give advice. This is one

of the reasons I am considering homeschooling in a very conservative

area. I'm not trying to scare you and this has nothing to do with

peanuts but it seemed to fit here.)

 

>> " If a special air system is required to keep allergic children

safe, isn't that far more important than a nice football stadium for

the district or a big salary for the superintendent? "

YES, YES, YES but try to get someone in the Southeastern US to

agree with you! Here football is a religion. It goes like this:

football, God, country, mom. People give me that " are you from Mars? "

look when I don't know what team is playing or could care less! Even

when I say I hate football and think it should be banned from all

schools, they keep talking to me like I'm kidding and really know all

the stats. In college, students from northern states could not get

over how important football is here. It is so infuriating.

 

>> " There should be colonies. A vegetarian colony, an peanut allergy

colony, and others. Children could go to school and their parents

could do something other than lurk outside sweating and pacing and

crying (which I do expect to do for at least the first few years). "

 

Are you speaking of mandatory segregation or volunteer communties?

There are intentional veg colonies in the US. The Farm in Tennessee

is one of them. I have been doing some lax research into communes and

the cities that are nearby myself. The communes generally have some

monetary restrictions and work codes. They are usually located in

very rural areas. I had hoped we could move into a nearby city and

reap benefits of open-mindness and access to veg goods. But, with my

husband's job, we need a larger city. So, we are considering

homeschooling. The hs laws are different in each state but most will

allow you to school at night if you have a daytime job. My sister was

successful the few years she did this. So, you can see that the pros

and cons of school and where to live, not necessarily peanuts, have

been on my mind.

 

BTW, if anyone has any info on an intentional veg community, I would

love to know about it.

 

Carrol

 

, Kadee M <abbey_road3012 wrote:

>

> Different schools, maybe?

>

>> rtillmansmail <rtillmansmail

wrote: I realize that it seems

unfair

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

there was a case here in utah like that a while ago. a couple had, i

believe, three children? and one of them died. the coroner decided he had

died from malnutrition due to a vegan diet and the other two children, who

were also sickly upon examination, were removed from the home. after an

investigation, the cause of death was restated as carbon monoxide poisoning

from a leaky vent -- something the parents had been trying to have corrected

by the city for months, to no avail -- and there was no malnutrition found

in the other kids, just the cumulative effects of CO poisoning.

nonetheless, the kids have not been returned to the parents because the

parents were found to be neglectful because of not providing a " healthy

diet " for their kids. last i heard, until they go through all kinds of

counseling, nutrition training, etc., they have no hopes of getting their

kids back. sick.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

That's my point. I have no antibacterial soaps or cleansers in my house.

We use soap and water. I'm fine if Rich gets sick, and he has been

exceedingly healthy except for his ears for a while, but I don't want to

think about what germs we can grow by using this junk.

 

Noreen

 

 

On

Behalf Of earthmother

Tuesday, October 10, 2006 3:46 PM

 

Re: Re: nuts, different schools

 

 

>>It

>>is now actually recommended not to wash your infant or toddler more

>>than 2 – 3 times weekly even if they have no skin issues.

 

LOL, and i thought i was just lazy! my son gets a bath whenever he has

a PBJ sandwich, because it gets everywhere. so about 2-3 times a week.

here i was thinking, maybe i should bathe him more.

 

kids are little colonies of germs, diseases, bacteria, viruses, you name

it. and i personally think it's a good thing, builds up the immune system.

when my son gets a cold i consider it a healthy part of his body's natural

healing cycle. he gets colds pretty rarely, but we definitely don't treat

it like the end of world. kids put their hands in their mouths and eyes and

ears and noses and whatever other orifices they can reach and then put those

same hands in other kids' orifices. it's the way of childhood and i

personally consider it futile to fight it. sure, teach kids to wash their

hands, teach them to use a tissue, etc. -- we taught my son to cough into

the crook of his elbow, for example -- but it seems better to let them be

normal kids than to create little germophobes out of them. just IMO!

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Oh wow, I'd have a cow. I won't even let my parents babysit anymore because I

don't trust my dad to not " accidentally " feed meat to my kids, same with my

in-laws... if someone took that decision away from me I'd turn into the Hulk.

 

Kadee Sedtal

 

earthmother <earthmother213 wrote:

there was a case here in utah like that a while ago. a couple had, i

believe, three children? and one of them died. the coroner decided he had

died from malnutrition due to a vegan diet and the other two children, who

were also sickly upon examination, were removed from the home. after an

investigation, the cause of death was restated as carbon monoxide poisoning

from a leaky vent -- something the parents had been trying to have corrected

by the city for months, to no avail -- and there was no malnutrition found

in the other kids, just the cumulative effects of CO poisoning.

nonetheless, the kids have not been returned to the parents because the

parents were found to be neglectful because of not providing a " healthy

diet " for their kids. last i heard, until they go through all kinds of

counseling, nutrition training, etc., they have no hopes of getting their

kids back. sick.

 

[Guest guest]

Natures gate makes a tea tree and blue cypress liquid soap. I use that both at

home and in my commercial kitchen. That is antibacterial enough for me.

Carol

 

Noreen Davisson <davisson wrote:

That's my point. I have no antibacterial soaps or cleansers in my

house.

We use soap and water. I'm fine if Rich gets sick, and he has been

exceedingly healthy except for his ears for a while, but I don't want to

think about what germs we can grow by using this junk.

 

Noreen

 

 

On

Behalf Of earthmother

Tuesday, October 10, 2006 3:46 PM

 

Re: Re: nuts, different schools

 

>>It

>>is now actually recommended not to wash your infant or toddler more

>>than 2 – 3 times weekly even if they have no skin issues.

 

LOL, and i thought i was just lazy! my son gets a bath whenever he has

a PBJ sandwich, because it gets everywhere. so about 2-3 times a week.

here i was thinking, maybe i should bathe him more.

 

kids are little colonies of germs, diseases, bacteria, viruses, you name

it. and i personally think it's a good thing, builds up the immune system.

when my son gets a cold i consider it a healthy part of his body's natural

healing cycle. he gets colds pretty rarely, but we definitely don't treat

it like the end of world. kids put their hands in their mouths and eyes and

ears and noses and whatever other orifices they can reach and then put those

same hands in other kids' orifices. it's the way of childhood and i

personally consider it futile to fight it. sure, teach kids to wash their

hands, teach them to use a tissue, etc. -- we taught my son to cough into

the crook of his elbow, for example -- but it seems better to let them be

normal kids than to create little germophobes out of them. just IMO!

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hmm, I didn't know they made anything else... I have their toothpaste and it's

great. That's the only product of that brand in our commissary. I'll have to

look for that soap.

 

Kadee Sedtal

 

carol sobczak <cpsobczak wrote:

Natures gate makes a tea tree and blue cypress liquid soap. I use that both at

home and in my commercial kitchen. That is antibacterial enough for me.

Carol

 

Noreen Davisson <davisson wrote:

That's my point. I have no antibacterial soaps or cleansers in my

house.

We use soap and water. I'm fine if Rich gets sick, and he has been

exceedingly healthy except for his ears for a while, but I don't want to

think about what germs we can grow by using this junk.

 

Noreen

 

On

Behalf Of earthmother

Tuesday, October 10, 2006 3:46 PM

Re: Re: nuts, different schools

 

>>It

>>is now actually recommended not to wash your infant or toddler more

>>than 2 – 3 times weekly even if they have no skin issues.

 

LOL, and i thought i was just lazy! my son gets a bath whenever he has

a PBJ sandwich, because it gets everywhere. so about 2-3 times a week.

here i was thinking, maybe i should bathe him more.

 

kids are little colonies of germs, diseases, bacteria, viruses, you name

it. and i personally think it's a good thing, builds up the immune system.

when my son gets a cold i consider it a healthy part of his body's natural

healing cycle. he gets colds pretty rarely, but we definitely don't treat

it like the end of world. kids put their hands in their mouths and eyes and

ears and noses and whatever other orifices they can reach and then put those

same hands in other kids' orifices. it's the way of childhood and i

personally consider it futile to fight it. sure, teach kids to wash their

hands, teach them to use a tissue, etc. -- we taught my son to cough into

the crook of his elbow, for example -- but it seems better to let them be

normal kids than to create little germophobes out of them. just IMO!