Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 which formula would you use? thanks debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 well, my first question would be, why would you have to bottle-feed? my first choice would be breastfeeding. my second choice would be pumping and feeding the baby by an SNS. my third choice would be pumping and feeding the baby by bottle. and my fourth choice would be finding a mother who would donate breastmilk to me. i attempted all four with my first, and ultimately the last one finally worked. when we did use formula, we couldn't afford the good stuff so we used what WIC provided, which was enfamil soy (which is not fully vegan, but at least is not dairy-based). in my opinion, formula is poison no matter what kind it is. i suppose if i HAD to do it over again (although i pray i never will) i would either buy the organic soy stuff or i would make my own from a goat milk base (preferably from goats i know). but really, there are so many options before switching to formula; a lot of people don't realize that there are more options than just either breastfeeding or formula-feeding. i'm not sure what your reasons are for wanting to use formula, but in my case, i couldn't nurse no matter what i did. formula is really vile stuff; i would consider the options very carefully before making the switch. chandelle' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 I know we have had extensive conversations on this before - but you may be a new member chandelier - when it comes to bottle vs. breast please try to keep your judgment in check as their are many reasons people cannot breast feed (adoption being one) and the other options may not be available to them - they also may be feeling bad about it as it is and don't need you piling on. I breast fed my 1st for 3 mths and then my milk dried up and we had to switch to formula immediately as he was not getting anything from me, when I pumped I didn't even get an ounce - we used the soy based Safeway brand it was less expensive and had the same nutrients as the others. Alexis earthmother <earthmother213 Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:40:59 AM Re: if you have to bottle feed... well, my first question would be, why would you have to bottle-feed? my first choice would be breastfeeding. my second choice would be pumping and feeding the baby by an SNS. my third choice would be pumping and feeding the baby by bottle. and my fourth choice would be finding a mother who would donate breastmilk to me. i attempted all four with my first, and ultimately the last one finally worked. when we did use formula, we couldn't afford the good stuff so we used what WIC provided, which was enfamil soy (which is not fully vegan, but at least is not dairy-based). in my opinion, formula is poison no matter what kind it is. i suppose if i HAD to do it over again (although i pray i never will) i would either buy the organic soy stuff or i would make my own from a goat milk base (preferably from goats i know). but really, there are so many options before switching to formula; a lot of people don't realize that there are more options than just either breastfeeding or formula-feeding. i'm not sure what your reasons are for wanting to use formula, but in my case, i couldn't nurse no matter what i did. formula is really vile stuff; i would consider the options very carefully before making the switch. chandelle' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 I think formulas have changed a lot since my daughter was a baby. I breastfed in the beginning and switched to Nestle's Follow-up Soy for older infants (which doesn't appear to be around anymore) and continued with the Follow-up Soy during my daughter's toddler stage. Good Start Soy with DHA and RHA would be my choice today to supplement breastfeeding. Renee dbirnbaum2001 <dbirnbaum wrote: which formula would you use? thanks debbie Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Alexis, I know this has been discussed before. I would like to make a clarification to your email. Adoptive moms can nurse. It's called relacatation. Kind of a misnomer. I have several friends that adopted, never birthed babies and nursed. Just wanted to let others know that is a possibility. Laura in MD alexismiddle writes: many reasons people cannot breast feed (adoption being one) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 I had success with Nestle GoodStart. We are not vegan, I used the regular dairy version with DHA and ARA. The others (Infamil and Similac) caused constipation in my daughter. I will try to breastfeed again but, if I cannot (like the first time around for medical reasons), I will use GoodStart again. Shannon dbirnbaum2001 <dbirnbaum wrote: which formula would you use? thanks debbie Get on board. You're invited to try the new Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 i'm sorry, i didn't mean to sound harsh. as someone who was not able to nurse i DO indeed understand the frustration and judgments from others. i don't know debbie's situation but i just wanted to bring awareness to the fact that there are other options to doing just one or the other...i didn't know that myself the first time until someone else told me about options like donated milk. we used donated milk supplemented with soy formula and i think it's ok to use formula if necessary while acknowledging objectively that it's gross stuff...i think anyone who has ever smelled formula poop or spit-up would be inclined to agree, whether you chose to formula-feed or not or didn't have a choice. i'm definitely not trying to make anyone feel bad or even pass judgment on someone else's choice. i just wanted to bring awareness to other options in case she (or anyone else) wasn't aware of them, that's all. everyone on this board is obviously extremely concerned about health issues, especially for our children, so i thought that my suggestions MIGHT be useful for someone who DOES consider formula not a great choice but doesn't know what else to do if she can't nurse herself. as an aside, most generic formulas are basically the same as the cheap stuff. when WIC ran out we bought the store brand soy formula. it wasn't as easy to use (more clumpy, more powdery, etc.) but it had all the same nutrients. there have been some warnings issued lately about an unacceptably high aluminum content in soy formula especially, and if you have problems with GMOs then that would be an issue for you as well. and i've seen reports about issues with the phytoestrogens in such a high soy content for infant boys also. we used soy nonetheless because i just could not fathom feeding my son cow's milk. but there are tons of studies out there about various formula issues if you want to do the research yourself and decide which one is best. i think organic is always best, especially with soy, so that you don't have the GMO issue at least. but it is expensive stuff and i would expect it is not an option for many people (it wasn't for us). good luck! chandelle' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 It's ok that nestle is not in the formula business anymore. They worked so hard to convince impoverished women in the third world that formula mixed with tainted water was better for their babies than what mother nature provides. Renee Carroll <renecarol25 wrote: I think formulas have changed a lot since my daughter was a baby. I breastfed in the beginning and switched to Nestle's Follow-up Soy for older infants (which doesn't appear to be around anymore) and continued with the Follow-up Soy during my daughter's toddler stage. Good Start Soy with DHA and RHA would be my choice today to supplement breastfeeding. Renee dbirnbaum2001 wrote: which formula would you use? thanks debbie Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 My daughter used Similac Advance. My son used Enfamil Lipil. Both did just fine. Kadee Sedtal dbirnbaum2001 <dbirnbaum wrote: which formula would you use? thanks debbie Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 As far as I know Nestle is still in the " formula business " just the brands Alsoy, Follow-up Soy, etc aren't around. They are all Good Start as I listed below. Also as far as I can tell - I d (free) to Very Best Baby magazine when my daughter was a baby - they encourage breastfeeding. robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: It's ok that nestle is not in the formula business anymore. They worked so hard to convince impoverished women in the third world that formula mixed with tainted water was better for their babies than what mother nature provides. Renee Carroll <renecarol25 wrote: I think formulas have changed a lot since my daughter was a baby. I breastfed in the beginning and switched to Nestle's Follow-up Soy for older infants (which doesn't appear to be around anymore) and continued with the Follow-up Soy during my daughter's toddler stage. Good Start Soy with DHA and RHA would be my choice today to supplement breastfeeding. Renee dbirnbaum2001 wrote: which formula would you use? thanks debbie Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Nestle is indeed still around. robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: It's ok that nestle is not in the formula business anymore. They worked so hard to convince impoverished women in the third world that formula mixed with tainted water was better for their babies than what mother nature provides. Renee Carroll <renecarol25 wrote: I think formulas have changed a lot since my daughter was a baby. I breastfed in the beginning and switched to Nestle's Follow-up Soy for older infants (which doesn't appear to be around anymore) and continued with the Follow-up Soy during my daughter's toddler stage. Good Start Soy with DHA and RHA would be my choice today to supplement breastfeeding. Renee dbirnbaum2001 wrote: which formula would you use? thanks debbie Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 they are indeed still in the formula business and their business practices have changed very little. but it's not only nestle. all formula companies market to third-world mothers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 Baby's Only organic formula by Nature's One. >Shannon Welch <pugsnstitches > > >Re: if you have to bottle feed... >Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:42:33 -0700 (PDT) > >Nestle is indeed still around. > > >robin koloms <rkoloms wrote: > It's ok that nestle is not in the formula business anymore. They >worked so hard to convince impoverished women in the third world that >formula mixed with tainted water was better for their babies than what >mother nature provides. > >Renee Carroll <renecarol25 wrote: I think formulas have changed >a lot since my daughter was a baby. I breastfed in the beginning and >switched to Nestle's Follow-up Soy for older infants (which doesn't appear >to be around anymore) and continued with the Follow-up Soy during my >daughter's toddler stage. Good Start Soy with DHA and RHA would be my >choice today to supplement breastfeeding. >Renee > >dbirnbaum2001 wrote: >which formula would you use? thanks debbie > > >Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 hey debbie, My daughter was formula fed on SMA gold, SMA white and then SMA progress. Progress is really harsh and and can give constipation. FYI - SMA is and i think HIPP (organic)are the only vegetarian formulas in ireland. Farley's Soya Formula is the only vegan society approved formula. Then at 1yr old she drank Goats Milk, then onto cow's milk back to goats but she kept having diarrhoea. Then i gave Alpro/tesco sweentend soya milk with added omegas and she's been drinking it ever since with no problems. If i could go back in time and still had problems with breastfeeding i would go for the soya formula or the HIPP organic. This is definitely a hot debate. I wanted to continue to breastfeed but it didn't work out, it was very painful ( & i was bleeding, i made sure i was doing it correctly, used those shield etc)and i my body hurt so much after the birth and i felt like i needed to recover and breastfeeding was not a priority. I consider myself pro-breastfeeding but sometimes its not possible. Its not the end of the world as there is a lot more to mothering/parenting than breastfeeding. Sorry for the rant as everyone on this list are very nice but i've met one or two people who were really in my face about BF and its not place. Una Dublin - ireland , " dbirnbaum2001 " <dbirnbaum wrote: > > which formula would you use? thanks debbie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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