Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 I thought this article was interesting. THE DANGERS OF SOYA FOR LADIES This is my true story, nothing altered. These are facts, as they relate to my experience, my opinions based on what I have read and felt. I am relating them to warn other young health-conscious women who are unwittingly harming themselves. In 1989, I graduated from high school in Texas and couldn't wait to hit the big college city. One of the changes I wanted to make was to eat healthier. Once I moved to health-conscious Austin, Texas, I began to fortify my body with the best and healthiest foods I could find. Tofu was the main ingredient in every healthy dish and I bought soya milk almost every day and used it for everything from cereal to smoothies or just to drink for a quick snack. I bought soya muffins, miso soup with tofu, soybeans, soybean sprouts, etc. All the literature in all the health and fitness magazines said that soya protected you against everything from heart disease to breast cancer. It was the magical isoflavones, the estrogen-like hormones that all worked to help you stay young and healthy. I looked great, I was working out all the time, but my menstrual cycle was off. At 20, I started taking birth control pills to regulate my menstrual cycle. In addition to this I began to suffer from painful periods. I began to get puffy, it was as though I was losing my muscle tone. I began to suffer from depression and getting hot flushes. I mistook all this for PMS since my periods were irregular. By the time I was 25, my periods were so bad, I couldn't walk. The birth control pills never made them regular or less painful so I decided to stop taking them. I went on like this for another two years until I realized my pain wasn't normal. At 27, my gynecologist found two cysts in my uterus. Both were the size of tennis balls. I went through surgery to have them removed and thank God they were benign. The gynecologist told me to go back on birth control pills. I didn't. In 1998, he discovered a lump in my breast. Again, I went through surgery and again it was benign. In November 2000 my glands swelled up and my gums became inflamed. Thinking I had a tooth infection I went to the dentist who told me that teeth were not the problem. After a dose of antibiotics the swelling still did not go down. At this point I could feel a tiny nodule on the right side of my neck. I told my mother I had thyroid trouble. She thought I was being silly. No one in the family suffered from thyroid trouble. Going on a hunch I saw a specialist who diagnosed me with Papillary Thyroid Carcinoma. After a series of tests he told me it was cancer. My fiance and I sat stunned. We were not prepared and I was so scared. We scheduled surgery right away. The specialist told us that it would only be after the operation that a pathologist would be able to tell us for sure if it was cancer. They found a tumor in my right lobe composed of irregular cells and another smaller tumor growing on the left, so the entire thyroid was removed. They told me that after undergoing radioactive iodine I would be safe and assured me that I could live a long life. After treatment I began to search for the cause of all these problems. I never once thought it could be all the soya I had consumed for nearly ten years. After all, soya is healthy. I came upon a web page that linked thyroid problems to soya intake and the conspiracy of soya marketed as a health food when in fact it is only a toxic by-product of the vegetable oil industry. This was insane, after all, the health and fitness magazines had said nothing about soya being harmful. I visited a herbalist who was diagnosed with thyroid cancer in 1985. She informed me that soya was the culprit. She had a hysterectomy due to cysts and other uterine problems. A few months later another acquaintance who had consumed soya came down with thyroid cancer. A girl in England I met through the Internet in a thyroid cancer forum had just undergone surgery and she was only 19. What was going on???? Breast cancer is linked to estrogen. What mimics estrogen in the female body, SOYA! But I never suspected soya because until now I never once found a single article that stated soya could be dangerous. Women who took soya prior to thyroid problems will continue to take it after if they are not aware of what soya actually does, what it contains and how it reacts in the female body. I think this is the reason that women with thyroid cancer often develop breast cancer later. My co-worker is big into soya and I see her losing hair and gaining weight despite a walking workout during her break and after work, and apples and oranges for lunch. She just had cysts removed from her uterus too. I warned her to stay off soya. I referred her to websites but until it is on the evening news on all four networks, women will suffer. Since the thyroidectomy, I do not touch soya, haven't for two years. Dear readers, please use my story in any way you can. There are so many young girls who are consuming soya because they think they are taking care of themselves, and women taking soya because they want to be healthy. It is so unfair that the information about the dangers of soya isn't more widely circulated. It is sad. There are many out there who feel this way and it is a terrible blow when you realize you are not as healthy as you thought and that the information that you depended on was wrong. [image Removed] Shernette Clarke International Wellness Distributor -- Check Out the new free AIM® Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Then why aren't the Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, and Koreans dropping like flies? There are so many components to cancer and other medical problems that singling out one food product as THE cause is just plain silly. Besides, it sounds like she was eating an incredibly unhealthy diet for 10 years, in which 90% of her nutrition came from only one food source. Imagine how sick she'd be if that sole food source had been meat. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 ok, four things. 1. too much of anything is bad and this woman sounds like she was going nuts on soy. 2. there are so many factors affecting health and cancer and i think it's ridiculous to blame it on any one thing, unless you've lived near an atomic blast site or something. yes, soy is a phytoestrogen. but guess what else mimics estrogen in the body? how about pesticides? hm. 3. soy is healthy, but processed foods, even those containing soy, are not. soy is in just about everything these days, as an additive, and i would not call most of those soy sources healthy. i consider soy protein isolate, which is the basis of soy protein shakes, one of the unhealthiest things people can eat. i think soy is a great thing, but we are careful how we eat it. we do not eat soybean oil and we try to avoid any products that use soy as an additive, which rules out almost all processed foods. when we do eat soy, we eat it organic, GMO-free, and as close to the earth as possible. 4. finally, every time something is touted as a health food, there is an inevitable backlash. just look at the weston price people. i'm just waiting for it to come out that whole grains cause cancer too. i make my decisions about what i eat based on how i feel when i eat it, not some sensational article by someone just looking for a way to be inflammatory. just my 2 cents. chandelle' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 There is a lot of unsubstantiated fear circulating regarding the humble soybean. Almost all of it can be traced back to one specific (meat enthusiast) group. If you have ANY concerns at all regarding the safety of soy foods, you will definitely want to check out the following links: http://foodrevolution.org/what_about_soy.htm http://www.bryannaclarkgrogan.com/page/page/3476771.htm Also, here I have pasted a very LEVEL-HEADED article Dr. Weil wrote addressing THIS VERY SUBJECT: Q Rethinking Soy? Your last articles about soy were written almost two years ago. Since that time, there appears to be more evidence that soy should be avoided with the exception of properly fermented products, like miso and tempeh. Have you changed your opinion? A Answer (Published 3/12/2004) I'm aware of Internet paranoia on the subject of soy and the contention that only fermented soy is safe to consume. That is simply not true. Some of the best forms of soy - edamame, tofu and soy nuts - are unfermented and are much more likely to help you than hurt you. Claims that unfermented soy foods (such as tofu and soy milk) contain toxins that block the action of enzymes needed to digest protein, and that these toxins cause pancreatic enlargement, cancer and stunted growth in animals are misleading. While soy does contain substances (trypsin inhibitors) that may adversely affect the pancreas in animals, there's no solid evidence that they cause similar problems in humans. Furthermore, trypsin inhibitors are found in all of the vegetables of the cabbage family as well as in beans other than soy. Other concerns about soy safety focus on the following issues: Breast cancer: Here, the idea is that high levels of isoflavones, active ingredients in soy that behave like estrogen in the body, may increase the risk of breast cancer. While high levels of isolated isoflavones may do so, it appears that the total mix of weak plant estrogens in soy protects the body's estrogen receptors. This protection may reduce the effects of excess estrogen exposure from such external sources as meats and dairy products from hormone-treated cows as well as artificial chemicals and industrial pollutants that act as foreign estrogens. Japanese women whose diets contain a lot of soy foods have only one-fifth the rate of breast cancer that occurs among Western women. Thyroid Problems: Excess consumption of soy can affect thyroid function, but only if you have a thyroid disorder to begin with or if you're not getting enough iodine in your diet (a rare deficiency in the United States). If you take medication for hypothyroidism (low thyroid), and are concerned about the effect of eating two daily servings of soy, have your thyroid levels checked regularly. Mineral absorption: The idea that substances in soy called phytates block absorption of essential minerals is also in circulation, but there is no scientific data suggesting that soy consumption leads to mineral deficiency in humans. All told, based on the evidence to date, I see no reason to worry about eating soy foods, whether fermented or not. I still recommend consuming one to two servings of soy per day, an amount equivalent to one cup of soy milk, or one half cup of tofu, soy protein (tempeh) or soy nuts. Andrew Weil, M.D. (Me again) Hope this helps but some unnecessary anxiety to rest! Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Just to put in my 2¢- eating too much broccoli can supress the thyroid. Too much water can cause the blood cells to explode somehow... everything in moderation! If you eat nothing but soy, of course you'll have problems. But a little of it, with other healthy foods, is of course not harmful like it is in the original post, where the person seems to have eaten very little else. " k.beauford " <karen wrote: There is a lot of unsubstantiated fear circulating regarding the humble soybean. Almost all of it can be traced back to one specific (meat enthusiast) group. If you have ANY concerns at all regarding the safety of soy foods, you will definitely want to check out the following links: http://foodrevolution.org/what_about_soy.htm http://www.bryannaclarkgrogan.com/page/page/3476771.htm Also, here I have pasted a very LEVEL-HEADED article Dr. Weil wrote addressing THIS VERY SUBJECT: Q Rethinking Soy? Your last articles about soy were written almost two years ago. Since that time, there appears to be more evidence that soy should be avoided with the exception of properly fermented products, like miso and tempeh. Have you changed your opinion? A Answer (Published 3/12/2004) I'm aware of Internet paranoia on the subject of soy and the contention that only fermented soy is safe to consume. That is simply not true. Some of the best forms of soy - edamame, tofu and soy nuts - are unfermented and are much more likely to help you than hurt you. Claims that unfermented soy foods (such as tofu and soy milk) contain toxins that block the action of enzymes needed to digest protein, and that these toxins cause pancreatic enlargement, cancer and stunted growth in animals are misleading. While soy does contain substances (trypsin inhibitors) that may adversely affect the pancreas in animals, there's no solid evidence that they cause similar problems in humans. Furthermore, trypsin inhibitors are found in all of the vegetables of the cabbage family as well as in beans other than soy. Other concerns about soy safety focus on the following issues: Breast cancer: Here, the idea is that high levels of isoflavones, active ingredients in soy that behave like estrogen in the body, may increase the risk of breast cancer. While high levels of isolated isoflavones may do so, it appears that the total mix of weak plant estrogens in soy protects the body's estrogen receptors. This protection may reduce the effects of excess estrogen exposure from such external sources as meats and dairy products from hormone-treated cows as well as artificial chemicals and industrial pollutants that act as foreign estrogens. Japanese women whose diets contain a lot of soy foods have only one-fifth the rate of breast cancer that occurs among Western women. Thyroid Problems: Excess consumption of soy can affect thyroid function, but only if you have a thyroid disorder to begin with or if you're not getting enough iodine in your diet (a rare deficiency in the United States). If you take medication for hypothyroidism (low thyroid), and are concerned about the effect of eating two daily servings of soy, have your thyroid levels checked regularly. Mineral absorption: The idea that substances in soy called phytates block absorption of essential minerals is also in circulation, but there is no scientific data suggesting that soy consumption leads to mineral deficiency in humans. All told, based on the evidence to date, I see no reason to worry about eating soy foods, whether fermented or not. I still recommend consuming one to two servings of soy per day, an amount equivalent to one cup of soy milk, or one half cup of tofu, soy protein (tempeh) or soy nuts. Andrew Weil, M.D. (Me again) Hope this helps but some unnecessary anxiety to rest! Karen Kadee Sedtal " I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people. " -Jack Handey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 i can second that. my close loved one under went surgery (thyroid) after approximately 2 years of healthy consuption of " soy " protient drinks. looking back it was an entirely counterproductive exercise. the very soy-based milk shakes my loved one consumed, later came back to haunt her. thank god we had a top surgeon -- minimal scarring, confirmed " no " cancer, only mild parathyroid inflammation, which means no supplments/prescriptions/injections post-surgery. i highly recommend the LEAST invasive techniques for possible thyroid-cancer surgeries; these surgeries/procedures/ailments seems to very common place here in NJ/NY. I am not sure about where you are. Maybe it is the Air we Breathe. No, I doubt it -- it was Soy in my case. DO YOUR RESEARCH. On 11/8/06, admartin5 <admartin5 wrote: > > I thought this article was interesting. > > THE DANGERS OF SOYA FOR LADIES > > This is my true story, nothing altered. These are facts, as they relate to > my experience, my opinions > based on what I have read and felt. I am relating them to warn other young > health-conscious women who are unwittingly harming themselves. > > In 1989, I graduated from high school in Texas and couldn't wait > to hit the big college city. One of the changes I wanted to make was to > eat healthier. > > Once I moved to health-conscious Austin, Texas, I began to fortify > my body with the best and healthiest foods I could find. > > Tofu was the main ingredient in every healthy dish and I bought soya milk > almost every day and used it for everything from cereal to smoothies or just > to drink for a quick snack. I bought soya muffins, miso soup with tofu, > soybeans, soybean sprouts, etc. > > All the literature in all the health and fitness magazines said that soya > protected you against everything from heart disease to breast cancer. It was > the magical isoflavones, the estrogen-like hormones that all worked to help > you stay young and healthy. I looked great, I was working out all the time, > but my menstrual cycle was off. At 20, I started taking birth control pills > to regulate my menstrual cycle. > > In addition to this I began to suffer from painful periods. I began to get > puffy, it was as though I was losing my muscle tone. I began to suffer from > depression and getting hot flushes. I mistook all this for PMS since my > periods were irregular. By the time I was 25, my periods were so bad, I > couldn't walk. > > The birth control pills never made them regular or less painful so I > decided to stop taking them. I went on like this for another two years > until I realized my pain wasn't normal. At 27, my gynecologist found > two cysts in my uterus. Both were the size of tennis balls. I went > through surgery to have them removed and thank God they were benign. The > gynecologist told me to go back on birth control pills. > I didn't. In 1998, he discovered a lump in my breast. Again, I went > through surgery and again it was benign. > > In November 2000 my glands swelled up and my gums became inflamed. > Thinking I had a tooth infection I went to the dentist who told me that > teeth were not the problem. After a dose of antibiotics the > swelling still did not go down. At this point I could feel a tiny nodule > on the right side of my neck. I told my mother I had thyroid trouble. She > thought I was being silly. No one in the family suffered from thyroid > trouble. Going on a hunch I saw a specialist who diagnosed me with Papillary > Thyroid Carcinoma. > > After a series of tests he told me it was cancer. My fiance and I sat > stunned. We were not prepared and I was so scared. We scheduled > surgery right away. The specialist told us that it would only be after the > operation that a pathologist would be able to tell us for sure if > it was cancer. They found a tumor in my right lobe composed of irregular > cells and another smaller tumor growing on the left, so the entire thyroid > was removed. > > They told me that after undergoing radioactive iodine I would be > safe and assured me that I could live a long life. After treatment I > began to search for the cause of all these problems. I never once thought > it could be all the soya I had consumed for nearly ten years. > After all, soya is healthy. I came upon a web page that linked thyroid > problems to soya intake and the conspiracy of soya marketed as a health food > when in fact it is only a toxic by-product of the vegetable oil industry. > This was insane, after all, the health and fitness magazines had said > nothing about soya being harmful. > > I visited a herbalist who was diagnosed with thyroid cancer in 1985. > She informed me that soya was the culprit. She had a hysterectomy due to > cysts and other uterine problems. A few months later another > acquaintance who had consumed soya came down with thyroid > cancer. A girl in England I met through the Internet in a thyroid cancer > forum had just undergone surgery and she was only 19. > > What was going on???? Breast cancer is linked to estrogen. What mimics > estrogen in the female body, SOYA! > > But I never suspected soya because until now I never once found a > single article that stated soya could be dangerous. Women who took soya > prior to thyroid problems will continue to take it after if they are not > aware of what soya actually does, what it contains and how it > reacts in the female body. I think this is the reason that women with > thyroid cancer often develop breast cancer later. > > My co-worker is big into soya and I see her losing hair and gaining > weight despite a walking workout during her break and after work, > and apples and oranges for lunch. She just had cysts removed from her > uterus too. > > I warned her to stay off soya. I referred her to websites but until it > is on the evening news on all four networks, women will suffer. > Since the thyroidectomy, I do not touch soya, haven't for two years. > > Dear readers, please use my story in any way you can. There are so > many young girls who are consuming soya because they think they are taking > care of themselves, and women taking soya because they want to be healthy. > > It is so unfair that the information about the dangers of soya isn't more > widely circulated. It is sad. There are many out there who feel this way and > it is a terrible blow when you realize you are not as healthy as you thought > and that the information that you depended on was wrong. > > [image Removed] > > Shernette Clarke > International Wellness Distributor > > ------------------------- > Check Out the new free AIM® Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading > spam and email virus protection. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 I think the point someone else made really needs to be emphasized here: there is a big difference between whole soy foods, and many of the highly processed food items containing soy or soy derivatives. I believe soy is safe if eaten in moderation (as all foods should be) and if eaten as a whole or minimally processed food (ie - edamame, tofu). When you read the lable on " protein shakes " the ingredient list is as long as your arm, usually including soy protein isolate, which is highly processed and not a natural product at all, and likely deliver much more soy protein than your body would get from one or two moderate servings of a whole soy food. It makes me think of High Fructose Corn Syrup... everyone knows how terrible it is for you, but that doesn't mean eating fresh corn on the cob is a bad thing! It seems odd to bash soy for the same reason. Stick with whole, minimally processed foods for optimal health. , " Quant PHD " <ilovederivatives wrote: > > i can second that. my close loved one under went surgery (thyroid) after > approximately 2 years of healthy consuption of " soy " protient drinks. > looking back it was an entirely counterproductive exercise. the very > soy-based milk shakes my loved one consumed, later came back to haunt her. > thank god we had a top surgeon -- minimal scarring, confirmed " no " cancer, > only mild parathyroid inflammation, which means no > supplments/prescriptions/injections post-surgery. i highly recommend the > LEAST invasive techniques for possible thyroid-cancer surgeries; these > surgeries/procedures/ailments seems to very common place here in NJ/NY. I > am not sure about where you are. Maybe it is the Air we Breathe. No, I > doubt it -- it was Soy in my case. DO YOUR RESEARCH. > > On 11/8/06, admartin5 <admartin5 wrote: > > > > I thought this article was interesting. > > > > THE DANGERS OF SOYA FOR LADIES > > > > This is my true story, nothing altered. These are facts, as they relate to > > my experience, my opinions > > based on what I have read and felt. I am relating them to warn other young > > health-conscious women who are unwittingly harming themselves. > > > > In 1989, I graduated from high school in Texas and couldn't wait > > to hit the big college city. One of the changes I wanted to make was to > > eat healthier. > > > > Once I moved to health-conscious Austin, Texas, I began to fortify > > my body with the best and healthiest foods I could find. > > > > Tofu was the main ingredient in every healthy dish and I bought soya milk > > almost every day and used it for everything from cereal to smoothies or just > > to drink for a quick snack. I bought soya muffins, miso soup with tofu, > > soybeans, soybean sprouts, etc. > > > > All the literature in all the health and fitness magazines said that soya > > protected you against everything from heart disease to breast cancer. It was > > the magical isoflavones, the estrogen-like hormones that all worked to help > > you stay young and healthy. I looked great, I was working out all the time, > > but my menstrual cycle was off. At 20, I started taking birth control pills > > to regulate my menstrual cycle. > > > > In addition to this I began to suffer from painful periods. I began to get > > puffy, it was as though I was losing my muscle tone. I began to suffer from > > depression and getting hot flushes. I mistook all this for PMS since my > > periods were irregular. By the time I was 25, my periods were so bad, I > > couldn't walk. > > > > The birth control pills never made them regular or less painful so I > > decided to stop taking them. I went on like this for another two years > > until I realized my pain wasn't normal. At 27, my gynecologist found > > two cysts in my uterus. Both were the size of tennis balls. I went > > through surgery to have them removed and thank God they were benign. The > > gynecologist told me to go back on birth control pills. > > I didn't. In 1998, he discovered a lump in my breast. Again, I went > > through surgery and again it was benign. > > > > In November 2000 my glands swelled up and my gums became inflamed. > > Thinking I had a tooth infection I went to the dentist who told me that > > teeth were not the problem. After a dose of antibiotics the > > swelling still did not go down. At this point I could feel a tiny nodule > > on the right side of my neck. I told my mother I had thyroid trouble. She > > thought I was being silly. No one in the family suffered from thyroid > > trouble. Going on a hunch I saw a specialist who diagnosed me with Papillary > > Thyroid Carcinoma. > > > > After a series of tests he told me it was cancer. My fiance and I sat > > stunned. We were not prepared and I was so scared. We scheduled > > surgery right away. The specialist told us that it would only be after the > > operation that a pathologist would be able to tell us for sure if > > it was cancer. They found a tumor in my right lobe composed of irregular > > cells and another smaller tumor growing on the left, so the entire thyroid > > was removed. > > > > They told me that after undergoing radioactive iodine I would be > > safe and assured me that I could live a long life. After treatment I > > began to search for the cause of all these problems. I never once thought > > it could be all the soya I had consumed for nearly ten years. > > After all, soya is healthy. I came upon a web page that linked thyroid > > problems to soya intake and the conspiracy of soya marketed as a health food > > when in fact it is only a toxic by-product of the vegetable oil industry. > > This was insane, after all, the health and fitness magazines had said > > nothing about soya being harmful. > > > > I visited a herbalist who was diagnosed with thyroid cancer in 1985. > > She informed me that soya was the culprit. She had a hysterectomy due to > > cysts and other uterine problems. A few months later another > > acquaintance who had consumed soya came down with thyroid > > cancer. A girl in England I met through the Internet in a thyroid cancer > > forum had just undergone surgery and she was only 19. > > > > What was going on???? Breast cancer is linked to estrogen. What mimics > > estrogen in the female body, SOYA! > > > > But I never suspected soya because until now I never once found a > > single article that stated soya could be dangerous. Women who took soya > > prior to thyroid problems will continue to take it after if they are not > > aware of what soya actually does, what it contains and how it > > reacts in the female body. I think this is the reason that women with > > thyroid cancer often develop breast cancer later. > > > > My co-worker is big into soya and I see her losing hair and gaining > > weight despite a walking workout during her break and after work, > > and apples and oranges for lunch. She just had cysts removed from her > > uterus too. > > > > I warned her to stay off soya. I referred her to websites but until it > > is on the evening news on all four networks, women will suffer. > > Since the thyroidectomy, I do not touch soya, haven't for two years. > > > > Dear readers, please use my story in any way you can. There are so > > many young girls who are consuming soya because they think they are taking > > care of themselves, and women taking soya because they want to be healthy. > > > > It is so unfair that the information about the dangers of soya isn't more > > widely circulated. It is sad. There are many out there who feel this way and > > it is a terrible blow when you realize you are not as healthy as you thought > > and that the information that you depended on was wrong. > > > > [image Removed] > > > > Shernette Clarke > > International Wellness Distributor > > > > ------------------------- > > Check Out the new free AIM® Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading > > spam and email virus protection. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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